NationStates Jolt Archive


The Future!!

Markiria
06-09-2006, 23:38
Ok I’m 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And I’m like if that’s old I’m old. So I told all my friends and we like had a heart attack...lol....I can’t imagine me as an adult by myself alone without my family. And the techno stuff. In the 90's we would have NEVER thought of all the things they have now. The typical family wasn’t so into electronics. I cant even think of what will be out their in the future...if their is one anyway....The Cars,People,Fashion,History I’ve known to love will be out the window...History wont remember it or at least the new kids of 2010+ And the scary thought is I will be alive for a long time.

I was born in 93' YAA BOI GO 93 but in the years of 2010,20,30,40 I will be something seven...For instance in 2050 I will be 57. 2050 PEOPLE THAT IS A LONG TIME AND I WILL BE A WHOLE GENERATION THAT WAS BORN IN THE 90'S!

So what did you adults think what today would be like and tell how your young life is different then now!! And teens, kids what do you think our future will be like...
Llewdor
06-09-2006, 23:40
Ok Im 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And Im like if thats old so im I.
I finished high school in 1992.

And so far, the future is a big disappointment. Though this internet thing is pretty cool.
Free shepmagans
06-09-2006, 23:42
YAA BOI GO 93

Please, PLEASE be sarcasm. I can only hope being born in 1990 sheilds me from whatever possessed you to type that.
Naliitr
06-09-2006, 23:44
Ok Im 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And Im like if thats old so im I. So I told all my friends and we like had a heart attack...lol....I cant imagine me as an adult by myself alone without my family. And the techno stuff. In the 90's we would have NEVER thought of all the things they have now. The typical family wasnt so into electronics. I cant even think of what will be out their in the future...if thier is one anyway....The Cars,People,Fashion,History Ive known to love will be out the window...History wont remember it or at least the new kids of 2010+ And the scary thought is i will be alive for a long time.

I was born in 93' YAA BOI GO 93 but in the years of 2010,20,30,40 I will be something seven...For instance in 2050 i will be 57. 2050 PEOPLE THAT IS A LONG TIME AND I WILL BE A WHOLE GENERATION THAT WAS BORN IN THE 90'S!

So what did you adults think what today would be like and tell how your young life is diffrent then now!! And teens,kids what do you think our future will be like...

Aww fuck. I'm not the youngest here anymore...
Call to power
06-09-2006, 23:44
I'm thinking hover cars, working down alien run slave mines and trips to the Moon!

who says kids today have no imagination :p
PsychoticDan
06-09-2006, 23:56
Unfortunately we will all be dead from oil, water, soil and mineral depletion and the ensuing resource wars in the next decade or so. :(
Free shepmagans
06-09-2006, 23:57
Unfortunately we will all be dead from oil, water, soil and mineral depletion and the ensuing resource wars in the next decade or so. :(

Indeed, that's why I'm corrupting as many young minds as possible, no time to waste. *nods*
Call to power
07-09-2006, 00:06
Unfortunately we will all be dead from water depletion(

:eek: you mean there will be no ice for drinks!
Gurguvungunit
07-09-2006, 00:16
Unfortunately we will all be dead from oil, water, soil and mineral depletion and the ensuing resource wars in the next decade or so. :(

Unlikely, to be honest. Just because nonrenewable sources like oil and suchlike are running out, doesn't mean that human society is going to go into the tank. We'll find something else to power cars, airplanes and cities.

Hey, if we get hydrogen to work (God knows how, but still) then we can even get fresh water as a byproduct.

Uhm, back on topic. I was born in 1990. I wish it had been '89. That'd a-been cool. But I (or my parents, I guess) were about six months too late.
Alexantis
07-09-2006, 00:17
Ok Im 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And Im like if thats old so im I... etc etc


Actually, it's very unlikely that there'll be a big boom in technology.

The biggest boom happened just after the Second World War - military technology is obviously the most sophisticated in the world, and it was being utilised in the everyday home all of a sudden. NEW technology was being used. Remember the word "new." Because of this huge leap forward, the average people (especially in the US, where no fighting took place), who didn't understand that all this technology came out of six years of people trying to kill each other more effectively, thought that this would continue it's development at the same rate, and saw visions of 1999, where the moon would have left orbit and we'd have colonies on other planets, and the 21st century saw intersteller travel...

Thankfully, we haven't had another World War, and if we do, there won't be any massive leap in technology, since the mushroom clouds leave very little room for 'improvement' and will leave very little people left on Earth if deployed. And so, technology has just gotten "better." There's no NEW technology. Microchips got smaller, cell phones turned from bricks to less than the size of a dollar bill... basically, the 'improvement' of technology ever since the boom in the sixties wound down is just the work of computers getting faster and smaller. MTV looks flashier nowadays because computers can do more.

So, computers will get smaller and faster still, but we won't be visiting Alpha Centauri anytime soon.
Call to power
07-09-2006, 00:17
Uhm, back on topic. I was born in 1990. I wish it had been '89. That'd a-been cool. But I (or my parents, I guess) were about six months too late.

oh be glad you wasn't:p
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 00:24
Unfortunately we will all be dead from oil, water, soil and mineral depletion and the ensuing resource wars in the next decade or so. :(

Highly unlikely, but even if it does I'll be okay. I live by Lake Erie...
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 00:26
I live by Lake Erie...you'll be dead, but we won't. We'll secede from the US and found OWEC along with Michigan, New York, Indiana, and Canada.
We've got CA's rechargable underground water resevoir in the Central Valley! :)


Not to mention an ocean. :)


And hot chicks. :)
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 00:30
We've got CA's rechargable underground water resevoir in the Central Valley! :)

Not to mention an ocean. :)

And hot chicks. :)

Well, we should join together. We could trade water for silicon from Nevada and Arizona, and then we could use our steel, nuclear, and windpower to build rail lines between our territories. Plus, we've got the Amish and they are damn good at farming (they get up to 75% of a conventional farm's yields!).

I don't envy the people living in the South...but we've got plenty of water and arable land, so we're okay. Plus, with all the cities in our regions we can just relocalize and convert the suburbs back to farmland. The coal could be made in to ship fuel, and all that remains is getting rid of all those damn SUVs in the Midwest...but they could be recycled in to trains, right?
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 00:31
Well, we should join together. We could trade water for silicon from Nevada and Arizona, and then we could use our steel, nuclear, and windpower to build rail lines between our territories. Plus, we've got the Amish and they are damn good at farming (they get up to 75% of a conventional farm's yields!).

I don't envy the people living in the South...but we've got plenty of water and arable land, so we're okay.

I'll trade you five hot chicks for two tons of steel.
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 00:34
I'll trade you five hot chicks for two tons of steel.

Deal. :)
Scarlet States
07-09-2006, 00:35
I see a very near future where I will be riding in my own hydrogen fuel cell powered car whilst other ignorant people continue to use out-dated petrol engines.
Scottsvillania
07-09-2006, 00:37
Well, just starting college, the future is pretty much on my mind, but I'm not too worried about it. If you get too caught up in the future, you lose your present, and then with nothing being done in your present, your future becomes pretty crappy.
Llewdor
07-09-2006, 00:41
I see a very near future where I will be riding in my own hydrogen fuel cell powered car whilst other ignorant people continue to use out-dated petrol engines.
And our petrol engines will be way cheaper to operate.
Scarlet States
07-09-2006, 00:42
And our petrol engines will be way cheaper to operate.

I doubt that. Water will most definately be less expensive than petrol in the next 5-10 years.
IL Ruffino
07-09-2006, 00:52
Depression, loss, sad times, stress, death.

All your good times are fading,
all the sorrows grow,
forgive and forget..
you'll have many woes.

And in the end,
your corpse will lay..
And all the bugs,
will eat you away.

Run away.
Never grow up.
If you don't,
you'll fail at life.

Give up now.





:)
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 01:03
And our petrol engines will be way cheaper to operate.

Probably not. I'm thinking that by the time fuel-cell and electric vehicles get major market penetration, they'll be competitive with gasoline and diesel at any price. I'd say by 2015 at least 1/3 of our light-duty vehicles will be hybrids of some form, and by the 2030's fuel cell vehicles and electric vehicles will have gained similar market share. Probably by the 2050's there will be very little demand for oil in the transportation sector with the exception of fuel oil, jet fuel, and diesel for larger vehicles and even those will be reduced compared to current levels.

Personally, I feel demand for oil in the transportation sector will level off over the next decade or increase at most by 0.5-1.0% per year; even this year oil demand growth in the US is hovering between -0.6 and unchanged, and world demand growth is about 1.5% with almost half coming from China. CERA's forcast is for oil production to grow to at least 2015 and for prices to hover around $40 during the period as surplus capacity grows.
BlueDragon407
07-09-2006, 01:03
I was born in '89, and I have a hard time remembering exactly what life was like in the 90's (being under 11 years old and having ADD will do that to ya). I can still remember what the world was like when there were no major wars going on. Nowadays, wars are being fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, Isreal and Jordan, and conflicts in Iran and North Korea. I miss the peaceful, pre-9/11 days.

Wow, I got off topic there. Okay, the future... I hope to see an end to said wars; oil may run out, but I'm not worried about other resources; technological advances will probably be cultural, nothing like after WWII. I don't like to let my thoughts dwell on what the far future holds, but I just felt like getting my thoughts out.
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 01:09
I doubt that. Water will most definately be less expensive than petrol in the next 5-10 years.

Hydrogen cars don't run on water. They run on hydrogen. There are two ways to get hydrogen. The cheapest and most efficient way is to take it from natural gas. If you want it really pure you can take it from water but this requires enormous amounts of electricity. Electricity will be very expensive in 5-10 years as will natural gas.
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 01:15
Hydrogen cars don't run on water. They run on hydrogen. There are two ways to get hydrogen. The cheapest and most efficient way is to take it from natural gas. If you want it really pure you can take it from water but this requires enormous amounts of electricity. Electricity will be very expensive in 5-10 years as will natural gas.

I personally think natural gas and electricity will remain fairly cheap, especially compared to oil; natural gas is still pretty abundant and the diversification of electricity/falling price of renewables will push down demand for the fuel as well as cost of electricity.
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 01:23
I personally think natural gas and electricity will remain fairly cheap, especially compared to oil; natural gas is still pretty abundant and the diversification of electricity/falling price of renewables will push down demand for the fuel as well as cost of electricity.

It's not abundant in North America. It has been in decline since 2000. We don't have any sources from foreign countries because we do not have the LNG capacity and won't for 10-15 years. It's price has increased by 300% since 2001 and when natural gas declines it does not decline like oil, it falls off a cliff. You can see 20% and 30% depletion rates year over year in natural gas.
Andaluciae
07-09-2006, 01:27
Bah, I was born in 1985, I really feel old.
Groznyj
07-09-2006, 01:28
The reason I beleive human civilization.. no scratch that.. our species will not ever go instinct due to the loss of fossile fuels and energy sources is this; say we ran outta gas litterally. The energy chain will start going to peices. First oil, then power, and everything dependant. I would expect masses to die off as the Earth cannot sustain so many humans without their manipulation of the land (i.e. technology). Eventually we would return to where we were right before the discovery of the uses of oil. Around what, 1800s? At that point i don't know where the future would lead. But remember this, what we do to this planet is nothing compared to natural forces and the Earth will always be able to heal itself.. albeit very slowly.

just my two cents.
Farflorin
07-09-2006, 01:30
Please, PLEASE be sarcasm. I can only hope being born in 1990 sheilds me from whatever possessed you to type that.
Being born in 1983 protects me from that by default.

My ten years over him protects me. It's a natural immunity.
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 01:36
It's not abundant in North America. It has been in decline since 2000. We don't have any sources from foreign countries because we do not have the LNG capacity and won't for 10-15 years. It's price has increased by 300% since 2001 and when natural gas declines it does not decline like oil, it falls off a cliff. You can see 20% and 30% depletion rates year over year in natural gas.

LNG capacity is scheduled to double between 2003-2008, and there are terminals being proposed in Canada that can be shipped to the US via pipeline along with similar facilities in Trinidad & Tobago; even so, US LNG imports have increased by nearly 330% since 2000. You've also got significant projects in Qatar and other nations directed at the US; the amount of capacity being added in 2004- 2012 is going to be at least equal to the amount added from 1964-2004.

There is significant world capacity growth in LNG processing and similar terminal growth in the US despite public opposition; projects are underway in key markets and new ones have been proposed. At the same time, our domestic production has held constant; even though individual fields have huge decline rates, we're compensating with new drilling that is keeping up or producing at most a small decline in production.

Also, milder weather and diversification away from natural gas as a source of power are helping; US storage is at record levels, and it's going to take a very harsh winter to seriously drawdown these inventories. The hurricane season has also been very mild, further improving the production figure. Demand is flat, so managing supply is not particularly difficult especially if the weather continues to cooperate.

The biggest concern is pipeline capacity in New England; that's the one part of the country facing real difficulty with its market going in to the next 5 years.
Swabians
07-09-2006, 01:43
All I've got ot say is 1990 rules. We're all gonna die in 2012 anyways right? Judgment day and all that? If not we'll figure it out when we get there. Oh, I live in Florida, and real men don't need air conditioning or cars, so I'm set on energy.
Free shepmagans
07-09-2006, 01:46
All I've got ot say is 1990 rules. We're all gonna die in 2012 anyways right? Judgment day and all that? If not we'll figure it out when we get there. Oh, I live in Florida, and real men don't need air conditioning or cars, so I'm set on energy.

the link in your sig is dead.
Liberated New Ireland
07-09-2006, 01:57
*hurl* What the fuck is wrong with my generation?!
Ok Im 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And Im like if thats old so im I. So I told all my friends and we like had a heart attack...lol....I cant imagine me as an adult by myself alone without my family. And the techno stuff. In the 90's we would have NEVER thought of all the things they have now. The typical family wasnt so into electronics. I cant even think of what will be out their in the future...if thier is one anyway....The Cars,People,Fashion,History Ive known to love will be out the window...History wont remember it or at least the new kids of 2010+ And the scary thought is i will be alive for a long time.
Hey, guess what? Things won't change much. They never do... And 14 years ago is not old. You want to know what's old? Look at Eutrusca... I mean, the Roman Empire. Now that's old. 14 years isn't even half a generation.

I was born in 93' YAA BOI GO 93 but in the years of 2010,20,30,40 I will be something seven...For instance in 2050 i will be 57. 2050 PEOPLE THAT IS A LONG TIME AND I WILL BE A WHOLE GENERATION THAT WAS BORN IN THE 90'S!
You will also be something-six. MATH IS FUN!!!
Also, you'll be a whole generation? All by yourself? You must be enormous

So what did you adults think what today would be like and tell how your young life is diffrent then now!! And teens,kids what do you think our future will be like...
Hopefully, your future will involve you growing up. And learning to type, FFS.
My past and my future will hardly be different. The only real tangible difference is that the INTARNET is on cable, not Prodigy, and music/cars/everything is much worse.

So, to summarize: This thread annoys me.
ListerStorm
07-09-2006, 02:00
Thankfully, we haven't had another World War, and if we do, there won't be any massive leap in technology, since the mushroom clouds leave very little room for 'improvement' and will leave very little people left on Earth if deployed.

And you acctualy think that any nuclear weapons will be used? They aren't even a deterrant beacuse every country knows that every-other country with nuclear weapons probally won't use them. Think about it, when would YOU use them considering it would spark the whole world to be oblitterated? When the enemy is in germany? france? how about at our very own boarders? There always seems to be another alternative doesn't there? Negotiations, treaties, conventional forces. The nuclear 'deterant' is a last resort that in every case will always be too late and is therefore not for our protection or as a real weapon, it's only purpose is to convince the populous of a country of their security, which acctually is VERY small.
If anotehr country were to KNOW we would never use our nuclear weapons instead of only knowing we probally wouldn't, well we'd all be out of democracy.
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 02:02
The only real tangible difference is that the INTARNET is on cable, not Prodigy, and music/cars/everything is much worse.

God damn...Prodigy. That was our first Internet connection; suffice to say, I was only 4 when we got it and didn't really get on the Net until the mid 90's with AOL (we ditched that pretty fast) and now am a proud user of SBC Yahoo! DSL.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
07-09-2006, 02:25
So, computers will get smaller and faster still, but we won't be visiting Alpha Centauri anytime soon.
Or, the prospect of a complete annihilation of Earth might prove sufficient motivation for governments to develop off-world locations to which they can fall back.
War doesn't encourage technological growth, it is the urgent need to get some advantage over an opponent that encourages government investment in science (and then that investment causes the new technologies to be developed). As soon as there is a real, urgent threat to US world supremacy, we'll see the things start accelerating again.
Liberated New Ireland
07-09-2006, 02:42
God damn...Prodigy. That was our first Internet connection; suffice to say, I was only 4 when we got it and didn't really get on the Net until the mid 90's with AOL (we ditched that pretty fast) and now am a proud user of SBC Yahoo! DSL.

:D I pretty much followed the same course, except I have a Comcast Cable modem... (I hate Comcast, they're service is terrible.)

<.<

>.>

I mean, I worship the ground they walk on, oh mighty ISP...
Markiria
07-09-2006, 11:56
All I've got ot say is 1990 rules. We're all gonna die in 2012 anyways right? Judgment day and all that? If not we'll figure it out when we get there. Oh, I live in Florida, and real men don't need air conditioning or cars, so I'm set on energy.

90's where the best years of my life.
Markiria
07-09-2006, 11:59
Or, the prospect of a complete annihilation of Earth might prove sufficient motivation for governments to develop off-world locations to which they can fall back.
War doesn't encourage technological growth, it is the urgent need to get some advantage over an opponent that encourages government investment in science (and then that investment causes the new technologies to be developed). As soon as there is a real, urgent threat to US world supremacy, we'll see the things start accelerating again.

why do you say that..Earth wont be gone we will. Earth is like a rock those bombs will make little spects on earth that will blow them away so.
Hamilay
07-09-2006, 11:59
So, computers will get smaller and faster still, but we won't be visiting Alpha Centauri anytime soon.
Until a technician sneezes, destroyes the USA's entire military computing hardware and Haitian bellhops conquer America. That's when people will say "Hey, maybe those computers were too small"
(Scott Adams)
Markiria
07-09-2006, 12:02
Until a technician sneezes, destroyes the USA's entire military computing hardware and Haitian bellhops conquer America. That's when people will say "Hey, maybe those computers were too small"
(Scott Adams)

Looks like dummys do live on earth
Scarlet States
07-09-2006, 12:09
Hydrogen cars don't run on water. They run on hydrogen... If you want it really pure you can take it from water but this requires enormous amounts of electricity.

Exactly. A hydrogen fuel cell could run on water. You put the water in, it's electrolized in part of the engine to produce hydrogen and oxygen. The gases then get routed to the fuel cell.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Fuelcell.en.JPG


On the anode side, hydrogen diffuses to the anode catalyst where it dissociates into protons and electrons. The protons are conducted through the membrane to the cathode, but the electrons are forced to travel in an external circuit (supplying power) because the membrane is electrically insulating. On the cathode catalyst, oxygen molecules react with the electrons (which have traveled through the external circuit) and protons to form water. In this example, the only waste product is water vapor and/or liquid water.

This waste product water is then electrolized again into hydrogen and oxygen. The process continues.
The Beautiful Darkness
07-09-2006, 12:12
There were people born after the end of the 80's? o_O

I feel old :(
Demented Hamsters
07-09-2006, 12:20
I finished high school in 1992.

And so far, the future is a big disappointment. Though this internet thing is pretty cool.
Anything that makes porn more readily available is always cool.
Rakiya
07-09-2006, 13:32
Ok I’m 13 ....I can’t imagine me as an adult by myself alone without my family...

It's actually refreshing to find a 13 year old that will actually admit this. Maybe there's hope for the future yet:-)
Londim
07-09-2006, 14:18
Ok I’m 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And I’m like if that’s old I’m old. So I told all my friends and we like had a heart attack...lol....I can’t imagine me as an adult by myself alone without my family. And the techno stuff. In the 90's we would have NEVER thought of all the things they have now. The typical family wasn’t so into electronics. I cant even think of what will be out their in the future...if their is one anyway....The Cars,People,Fashion,History I’ve known to love will be out the window...History wont remember it or at least the new kids of 2010+ And the scary thought is I will be alive for a long time.

I was born in 93' YAA BOI GO 93 but in the years of 2010,20,30,40 I will be something seven...For instance in 2050 I will be 57. 2050 PEOPLE THAT IS A LONG TIME AND I WILL BE A WHOLE GENERATION THAT WAS BORN IN THE 90'S!

So what did you adults think what today would be like and tell how your young life is different then now!! And teens, kids what do you think our future will be like...


I'm so glad to have been born in 1988 if that what you young whippersnappers are speaking like :p Anyway technology is getting better but don't expect a big boom in the near future like hover cars or jetpacks for everyone, maybe in 30 to 50 years or longer...In the time we are alive many things could happen like alien contact or whatever but as I say don't hold your breath
Llewdor
07-09-2006, 20:47
Exactly. A hydrogen fuel cell could run on water. You put the water in, it's electrolized in part of the engine to produce hydrogen and oxygen. The gases then get routed to the fuel cell.
But where does the energy come from?

If you turn water into hydrogen and then back into water, you lose energy. It's the second law of thermodynamics. The best you're doing is using the hydrogen like a battery as a means to move energy around. But the energy still needs to be produced somewhere.
Sonaj
07-09-2006, 20:55
Uhm, back on topic. I was born in 1990. I wish it had been '89. That'd a-been cool. But I (or my parents, I guess) were about six months too late.
Er, alright. I guess I was born in a cool year then.

Indeed, that's why I'm corrupting as many young minds as possible, no time to waste. *nods*
Good boy :p
Farnhamia
07-09-2006, 20:58
To quote George Carlin, getting old was something I thought would happen to someone else. There have been some pretty nifty technological advances (for one thing, when our Original Poster is 57 in 2050, I'll be 99, and that's not terribly far-fetched). But where are the flying cars and floating cities and moon colonies and expeditions to Mars and the Asteroid Belt? And Weather Control, I mean, weren't we supposed to have that by now? I watched 2001 a dozen times back in the early 70s, the only space station we have looks like a couple of trash cans stuck together and the damn thing leaks! Aarrgghhh!
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 21:09
Exactly. A hydrogen fuel cell could run on water. You put the water in, it's electrolized in part of the engine to produce hydrogen and oxygen. The gases then get routed to the fuel cell.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Fuelcell.en.JPG


On the anode side, hydrogen diffuses to the anode catalyst where it dissociates into protons and electrons. The protons are conducted through the membrane to the cathode, but the electrons are forced to travel in an external circuit (supplying power) because the membrane is electrically insulating. On the cathode catalyst, oxygen molecules react with the electrons (which have traveled through the external circuit) and protons to form water. In this example, the only waste product is water vapor and/or liquid water.

This waste product water is then electrolized again into hydrogen and oxygen. The process continues.

Yes. I know how it works. You cannot, however generate enough electricity in the car to disassociate the hydrogen from the oxygen. As I said, you need ENORMOUS amounts of electricity so it has to be done externally. That's why all the car manufacturers are spending all that money on R&D into tanks to hold compressed hydrogen and not just water. That and because the amount of water you could hold on board wouldn't yeild enough hydrogen to get you out of your garage.
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 21:09
If you turn water into hydrogen and then back into water, you lose energy. It's the second law of thermodynamics. The best you're doing is using the hydrogen like a battery as a means to move energy around. But the energy still needs to be produced somewhere.

My guess is that it would involve some kind of battery that would provide the current for the hydrogen. However, it's a lot more likely that hydrogen will be produced from natural gas (and eventually hydrolysis) and manufactured in to fuel cells or fuel for holding tanks at hydrogen manufacturing facilities (ideally from renewable resources) and those fuel cells will be used to power vehicles. Either that, or we'll simply use fully electric motors for vehicles; obviously this is all in the future given that current hybrid technology still relies on a gasoline or diesel engine.

It's probably more likely that hybrids will gradually shift from their current generation to plug-in hybrids, and then will increase the role of the electric component until a fully functioning and cost-competitive electric car is available. Biofuels will also have a major role when they become cost-competitive with petroleum fuels; I think they will, but not significantly until after 2010 or so when cellulosic technology and algal oil enter their initial market phase.

Even so, it makes more sense to use electricity to power vehicles than to use electricity to produce hydrogen to use in vehicles; the main barriers to this are performance issues and cost-competitiveness. It makes no sense to pay $5,000-6,000+ for a plug-in hybrid conversion or even more for a Tesla Motors electric car ($100,000) when the average yearly gasoline cost of a vehicle is between $1,000-$2,000 for most vehicles. Currently, the economics simply don't justify it; first-generation hybrids (Prius, etc.) are approaching cost-equivalence with similar conventional models but more advanced technologies like plug-in hybrids/FEVs are still several years from large scale market potential.
Texoma Land
07-09-2006, 21:37
Ok I’m 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old"

Meh. I was watching music videos in 1981. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The typical family wasn’t so into electronics.

Wrong. The typical American family has always been into electronics (or at least as long as electricity has been around) and the latest technology. The electronics and technology were just different. Record player, 8 track, Boom box, walkman, ipod, etc, etc. They had microwaves in the 50s and VCRs in the 70s. I got my first home computer in 1983.

And the scary thought is I will be alive for a long time.

2050 PEOPLE THAT IS A LONG TIME AND I WILL BE A WHOLE GENERATION THAT WAS BORN IN THE 90'S!

It's not as long as you think. Once you leave high school, time speeds by you going ever faster with each passing year. Seems like 1988 was just yesterday to me. Seize the moment.

So what did you adults think what today would be like and tell how your young life is different then now!!

Disapointing. Other than the internet, there have only been superficial changes. No cure for cancer. No flying cars (thank god!). No moon bases. No 200 year life spans. *sigh* Just more vapid boy bands and slutty teen sensations, more corrupt politicians, more trafic and smog. Just more of the same really. Meh.
Greyenivol Colony
07-09-2006, 21:46
Psh. It's blatantly been the future since 1996.

Cloned sheep, extrasolar exploration and the internets. This is pretty much the science fiction world the 1960s described.
Barbaric Tribes
07-09-2006, 21:52
Ok I’m 13 right well I was watching a music video from the year 1992 and I thought to myself that its "old" And I’m like if that’s old I’m old. So I told all my friends and we like had a heart attack...lol....I can’t imagine me as an adult by myself alone without my family. And the techno stuff. In the 90's we would have NEVER thought of all the things they have now.



wow, you know, I remember back when Techno was new....
Barbaric Tribes
07-09-2006, 21:56
It's not as long as you think. Once you leave high school, time speeds by you going ever faster with each passing year. Seems like 1988 was just yesterday to me. Seize the moment.



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I once read this intersting but very creepy scientific article once. It was done by an independant sience organization so they may not be right but they had substancail proof. It was called Fractal Time and it was about how "Time" itself is literally speeding up. And that 24hrs back in the 1980's, now is only the equivalent to 16hrs today. anyone know more about this?
Ieuano
07-09-2006, 22:07
Uhm, back on topic. I was born in 1990. I wish it had been '89. That'd a-been cool. But I (or my parents, I guess) were about six months too late.

ahh November 1989, my parents got it right :D
Vetalia
07-09-2006, 22:09
I once read this intersting but very creepy scientific article once. It was done by an independant sience organization so they may not be right but they had substancail proof. It was called Fractal Time and it was about how "Time" itself is literally speeding up. And that 24hrs back in the 1980's, now is only the equivalent to 16hrs today. anyone know more about this?

The "Timewave Zero" hypothesis of Terrence McKenna.

It's more pseudoscience than any real science since it includes philosophical works like the I Ching, a particular interpretation of the Mayan Calendar (not that end of the world nonsense but another one) and numerology to prove its argument. It does have some mathematical and measurement errors, but it is interesting as a philosophical view of the work and is an interesting alternative to the "end times" nonsense parroted by so many people.
Texoma Land
07-09-2006, 22:09
I once read this intersting but very creepy scientific article once. It was done by an independant sience organization so they may not be right but they had substancail proof. It was called Fractal Time and it was about how "Time" itself is literally speeding up. And that 24hrs back in the 1980's, now is only the equivalent to 16hrs today. anyone know more about this?

Can't say I've heard of that. As I understand it, the explanation for time appearing to move faster as you age is your perspective. When you are 10, one year is 10% of your experienced lifespan. As such it seems like a long time. When you are 50, one year is only 2% of your experienced lifespan. As such it seems like a much shorter time. And the older you get the smaller the percentage gets and the faster time appears to pass.
Fleckenstein
07-09-2006, 22:38
Please, PLEASE be sarcasm. I can only hope being born in 1990 sheilds me from whatever possessed you to type that.
High Five!

*waits*


*puts hand down sadly and walks away*


The future will be futuristic.
Liberated New Ireland
07-09-2006, 22:41
ahh November 1989, my parents got it right :D

September '89. *laughs imperiously*
Markiria
09-09-2006, 18:30
When I look back at the 80's the fashion and stuff was AWFULL but it seemed more kid friendly unlike today. Its like adults are forcing us to live their life. We dress an act like them!:headbang:
Dogburg II
09-09-2006, 19:47
'Cause we all live
In Fuuu-ture World...
Wallonochia
09-09-2006, 19:56
Damn, and I thought I felt old when a kid in one of my classes told me she was in 8th grade on 9/11. I'd already been in the Army for a year and a half on 9/11.

Anyway, I miss the 90s. There was a much more positive vibe to things than there is now. Not only that, but jobs were plentiful (it took me 2 days to find a fast food job at the age of 16 in 1998 and 4 months at the age of 23 in 2005). But then, the Michigan economy is very cyclical and goes from awesome to suck very quickly.
Utracia
09-09-2006, 19:57
I don't know about the rest of you but things seem to have stalled technology wise. Sure computers are getting better, cell phones smaller and more reliable and all of that but where are the big breakthroughs? The amazing leaps forward? No radical inventions to change the world have been thought up lately from what I remember. It seems the next decade won't change either...

Ok I’m 13 right...

13... wow. I'm feeling old at 22 and that is depressing. :(
Dogburg II
09-09-2006, 19:59
I don't know about the rest of you but things seem to have stalled technology wise. Sure computers are getting better, cell phones smaller and more reliable and all of that but where are the big breakthroughs? The amazing leaps forward? No radical inventions to change the world have been thought up lately from what I remember. It seems the next decade won't change either...

The personal computer didn't exist as a concept before the turn of the last decade, and the internet was pretty primitive. Ok, so it's not actually a whole new field of study or whatever, but I wouldn't just shrug off such changes. Computers and the internet already shape our lives in ways we wouldn't have imagined 10 or 20 years ago.
Markiria
09-09-2006, 23:48
Did all this fancy electro gizmo's matter in the 90's. No. Because they werent invented so we did other things. I think I was better of without all this tech because we ajusted to life like any normal person would. I cant even start to think what the stuff will be like when im like 30 or 50.

In 2030 Im 37
WOW!
Vetalia
10-09-2006, 00:37
13... wow. I'm feeling old at 22 and that is depressing. :(

I'm 18 and it makes me feel old...it doesn't help that the one female stylist at Great Clips mentioned that my hair was thinning, but that's a different story. Plus, I'm moving in to college in a week and that's going to be a pretty big change.

When I was 13, I still lived in Deerfield Township near Mason in Southern Ohio...how things have changed since then. Hopefully, I'll be able to move back after I graduate college...

The PS2 was just coming out, the Ipod was still in development, DSL was considered new tech, and I hadn't discovered Internet forums yet...wow.
Utracia
10-09-2006, 01:05
I'm 18 and it makes me feel old...it doesn't help that the one female stylist at Great Clips mentioned that my hair was thinning, but that's a different story. Plus, I'm moving in to college in a week and that's going to be a pretty big change.

When I was 13, I still lived in Deerfield Township near Mason in Southern Ohio...how things have changed since then. Hopefully, I'll be able to move back after I graduate college...

The PS2 was just coming out, the Ipod was still in development, DSL was considered new tech, and I hadn't discovered Internet forums yet...wow.

I remember playing the old Nintendo. Played hours and hours of Jaws and Mario Bros. Kids look at it today and sniff with contempt about it being... antique. Which it is of course. Hell, when I was in elementary school, my parents still had one of those TVs where you turn that dial on the set. No remote for us nope. And what, 6 channels? :D
Vetalia
10-09-2006, 01:08
I remember playing the old Nintendo. Played hours and hours of Jaws and Mario Bros. Kids look at it today and sniff with contempt about it being... antique. Which it is of course. With what, 6 channels? :D

We were the cool kids with the Sega Genesis...God I loved playing the Sonic games. It created a love of platformers that evolved from Sonic, to Crash Bandicoot, to Spyro, to Jak and Daxter. I still play all of them from time to time, and I'm definitely buying new Jak and Daxter games if they come out.

Hell, when I was in elementary school, my parents still had one of those TVs where you turn that dial on the set. No remote for us nope.

We had one of those in the basement...I don't miss it.
Utracia
10-09-2006, 01:19
We had one of those in the basement...I don't miss it.

Me either. Not to mention the picture was awful. :(
Anglachel and Anguirel
10-09-2006, 01:20
Someday, Nirvana will be "oldies".
Liberated New Ireland
10-09-2006, 01:23
Someday, Nirvana will be "oldies".

They already are. I hear 'em on 94.7 The Arrow, our classic rock station, all the time...
Markiria
10-09-2006, 01:39
If you look in the far thousands in wikipedia...It says Nirivan will enter public domain like in 2050 or soo!
Pompous world
10-09-2006, 01:40
if humanity keeps adavancing, (doubtful) it will be very interesting to see what the world is like 400 years into the future. Like now will be to then as 1600 is to now.
Utracia
10-09-2006, 01:42
Someday, Nirvana will be "oldies".

I was thinking about Alice and Chains but that works also. :)
Liberated New Ireland
10-09-2006, 01:50
I was thinking about Alice and Chains but that works also. :)

I've never heard of Alice and Chains, but Alice In Chains are pretty damn good. :D
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
10-09-2006, 02:03
It's not as long as you think. Once you leave high school, time speeds by you going ever faster with each passing year. Seems like 1988 was just yesterday to me. Seize the moment.



*freaks out* Did you have to say that?!
Utracia
10-09-2006, 02:04
I've never heard of Alice and Chains, but Alice In Chains are pretty damn good. :D

Listen to "Man in the Box" and you will be hooked. :)

And having Alice in chains is pretty kinky but if you are into that kind of thing... :D
Armandian Cheese
10-09-2006, 02:07
Unlikely, to be honest. Just because nonrenewable sources like oil and suchlike are running out, doesn't mean that human society is going to go into the tank. We'll find something else to power cars, airplanes and cities.

Hey, if we get hydrogen to work (God knows how, but still) then we can even get fresh water as a byproduct.

Uhm, back on topic. I was born in 1990. I wish it had been '89. That'd a-been cool. But I (or my parents, I guess) were about six months too late.


Heh. I was born in '89, Gurg, and trust me, it is all it's cracked up to be. Those 3 months I spent in the 80s apparently gave me a life long love for 80s music, Reagonomics, and Michael Jackson.
Krautanien
10-09-2006, 02:18
the future? damn, just give me a flying car already...! :p

i was born '80 btw. i'm still not sure if i should feel old or not, seems i'm right in the middle right now... but not much longer.
Radical Centrists
10-09-2006, 04:29
Wow, this thread is leaving me with, shall we say, conflicting messages. I'm 16 (born December 3, 1989 suckas!), I'm a high school graduate and I started college courses 3 weeks ago. I'm the youngest and easily the most mature / least fucked up member of my family. I've got time to think about my future so... where does that leave me exactly? I'm not old, but most of the people I've gotten to know since school started are over 20 and none of them suspected that I wasn't.

More or less no one knows what the hell they want to do with their life at 16, but I'll be graduating from my 2-year Community College when everyone else is graduating high school.

I feel so displaced. :p