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As for lying about their religion, well, I'm sure that's going on right now--it's called taqiyya, in case you haven't heard about it (or are practicing it right now), and it covers things like trying to convince non-infidels that "Islam is a religion of peace."

Can anyone give me a credible, unbiased, source from an informed authority on religion?

A google search yielded an amazing 6 results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=taquyyia

All of these are republican or neocon blogs with zero credibility, that have posts saying, and I quote"Moozies get the fuck out" and another one calling my hometown "a nest of jihadists and a terrorist training ground" I challenge anyone who believes in this to give me hard evidence...

Consider reading:
MOURIM Khosro E., “Taquiyya as a ideological and political strategy”.

Not written by a neocon. But you'll have to be able to read French.

Read the Koran and the Hadiths. "War is lying"--so said Muhammad himself. "Taquiyya" is a recognized and encouraged Muslim practice. Do you know what it means? It means lying to infidels in order to advance the faith.

Pyotr,

Lying is haraam in Islam (as in all religions, I suppose).

But lying is permissible for muslims if it is to protect/further the cause of Islam. This exclusion principle is called taqiyya. And it is not a zionist/right-wing/neo-con/xenophobe/muslimislamhater made up story.

Boo, I thought this was a thread about mexican food.

A google search yielded an amazing 6 results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=taquyyia

All of these are republican or neocon blogs with zero credibility, that have posts saying, and I quote"Moozies get the fuck out" and another one calling my hometown "a nest of jihadists and a terrorist training ground" I challenge anyone who believes in this to give me hard evidence...

That's because you spelt it wrong. It is taqiyya.

Google search gives me this
http://www.google.com/search?q=taqiyya&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

From answers.com

http://www.answers.com/topic/taqiyya
In Shi'a Islamic tradition, Taqiyya (التقية) is the dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs when one fears for one's life, the lives of one's family members, or for the preservation of the faith. It is most often used in times of persecution or danger.

Some Sunnis consider taqiyya to be wrong while most Shias agree with taqiyya. Figures, because Shias were the ones who faced persecution from Sunnis and hence had the need to lie to escape persecution. More about the Sunni side here...

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/1.html

I don't think that any of the above sites are "are republican or neocon blogs with zero credibility, that have posts saying, and I quote"Moozies get the fuck out" and another one calling my hometown "a nest of jihadists and a terrorist training ground"

Whatever. You guys are so stupid. Muslims don't do bad stuff. :mad:

Whatever. You guys are so stupid. Muslims don't do bad stuff. :mad:

Oh, like they never lie... :rolleyes:

That's because you spelt it wrong. It is taqiyya.


How does one assume a "correct" spelling in English, using Roman letters, when the word is an Arabic one, in a language that uses a different alphabet and script?

How does one assume a "correct" spelling in English, using Roman letters, when the word is an Arabic one, in a language that uses a different alphabet and script?

It's like Elvish, or Klingon...

How does one assume a "correct" spelling in English, using Roman letters, when the word is an Arabic one, in a language that uses a different alphabet and script?

That's easy. Whichever spelling gives you the most hits is the correct one.:p

Taquitos :D

Can anyone give me a credible, unbiased, source from an informed authority on religion?

New Mitanni's quote is little more than an attempt so suggest that anyone who disagrees with his MUSLIMS R TEH EVIL stance is actually part of some evil terrorist conspiracy.

It's a way of dismissing anyone and it works well for New Mitanni as long as he presses his widdo hands against his widdo ears and hums really loudly.

That's easy. Whichever spelling gives you the most hits is the correct one.:p

:headbang:

That's easy. Whichever spelling gives you the most hits is the correct one.:p

American spelling wins!

Colour - 268 million hits
Color - 1.5 billion hits

I always knew those Brits had it wrong. :)

Pyotr,

Lying is haraam in Islam (as in all religions, I suppose).

But lying is permissible for muslims if it is to protect/further the cause of Islam. This exclusion principle is called taqiyya. And it is not a zionist/right-wing/neo-con/xenophobe/muslimislamhater made up story.

I'm referring to the theory that anyone who says anything positive about muslims or islam, is a terrorist agent. and that islam is a monolithic force ready to march on europe....

I'm referring to the theory that anyone who says anything positive about muslims or islam, is a terrorist agent. and that islam is a monolithic force ready to march on europe....

Note that I'm not saying
"anyone who says anything positive about muslims or islam is a terrorist"

Nor am I saying
"islam is a monolithic force ready to march on europe"

Please, for future reference:

Anyone who is unwilling to point out negative things in an ideological group, of whose members a small portion is responsible for the majority of terrorist acts, is most certainly aiding and abetting the furtherance of the actions of that group. Especially apologists who say it has nothing to do with the ideology of Islam - when in the case of Salafists it most certainly does.

There's a saying - Not all Salafists are international terrorists - but most international terrorists today are Salafists.

And no, there's no monolithic force "marching" on Europe. But there is a wave of belief in a radical form of Islam that is bringing violence to Europe.

It is, in all respects, a more potent ideological force than Communism could ever have hoped to have been.

Anyone who is unwilling to point out negative things in an ideological group, of whose members a small portion is responsible for the majority of terrorist acts, is most certainly aiding and abetting the furtherance of the actions of that group.

Agreed. We have to filter the legitimate criticism of islam from islamophobia

It is, in all respects, a more potent ideological force than Communism could ever have hoped to have been.

I'l have to disagree with that. Communism killed WAY more people, stalin's purges alone killed 40 million odd people...

Agreed. We have to filter the legitimate criticism of islam from islamophobia

I'l have to disagree with that. Communism killed WAY more people, stalin's purges alone killed 40 million odd people...

Give it time. It just got started again.