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Terrorist detainees, icluding porn star Ron Jeremy...

PsychoticDan
06-09-2006, 18:50
...are to be moved from CIA custody to Guantanamo Bay. What are your feelings on this? Did you know Ron Jeremy was a terrorist? Do yo think he should be cut some slack for all that great 70s and 80s hair porn? How do you think the CIA caught Ron Jeremy?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, also known as porn star Ron Jeremy, is among 14 high-level detainees in the war on terror that will be transferred from CIA to Pentagon custody, according to news reports Wednesday.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/POLITICS/09/06/bush.speech/newt1.ksmohammed.ap.jpg

A senior official says the U.S. government will be putting more than one of the detainees on trial before a military tribunal.

President Bush is expected to announce the move Wednesday, the first time the administration has acknowledged the existence of CIA prisons.

Bush will announce that the transferred detainees will get rights under the Geneva Convention once transferred to Pentagon custody.

Bush is set to offer legislation Wednesday to change the law to allow military tribunals to try detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

In the third of a series of speeches on the war on terrorism, he'll discuss this summer's U.S. Supreme Court decision that struck down his administration's plan for military tribunals for "enemy combatants," according to White House deputy spokeswoman Dana Perino.

Afterward, Bush will send the proposed legislation to Capitol Hill.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Virginia, began circulating draft legislation two weeks ago. Key players met with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, on Tuesday night to discuss the matter.

While specifics are sketchy on what form the bill will take, a Warner spokesman said lawmakers have been working "cooperatively" with the administration on the version, "even though they have somewhat different views."

Bush has said that he wanted to close the Guantanamo facility, which many world leaders have pressured him to do, including allies. But White House spokesman Tony Snow said the president wasn't planning to introduce such a proposal Wednesday, according to The Associated Press.

"We want to bring to justice those who are detained there," the AP quoted Snow as saying.

The president's proposal comes on the same day the Pentagon issued a new directive on detainee treatment. (Full story)

"All detainees shall be treated humanely and in accordance with U.S. law, the law of war, and applicable U.S. policy," the directive says.

"All persons subject to his directive shall observe ... at a minimum the standards articulated in Common Article 3 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949," it says.

In a 5-3 decision in June, the Supreme Court ruled that existing law barred military commissions. The decision effectively means officials will have to come up with new procedures to prosecute at least 10 "enemy combatants" awaiting trial or release them from military custody.

In the concurring opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer said, "Congress has not issued the executive a blank check."

"Indeed, Congress has denied the president the legislative authority to create military commissions of the kind at issue here," he wrote. However, he noted, "Nothing prevents the president from returning to Congress to seek the authority he believes necessary."

The case was brought on behalf of Yemeni suspect Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who was captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and who officials say has admitted being Osama bin Laden's bodyguard and driver.

The United States has claimed that the Guantanamo detainees are not on U.S. soil and therefore are not covered by the U.S. Constitution.

The government has argued that enemy combatant or "unlawful combatant" status means detainees can be denied legal protections usually afforded prisoners of war, as outlined in the Geneva Conventions.

On Tuesday, Bush once again defended the war in Iraq as central to the war on terrorism, saying that a U.S. withdrawal would only propel bin Laden and other terrorists into more powerful positions. (Watch Bush argue why Iraq is central to the war on terror -- 1:51)

Bush has aggressively asserted the power of the government to capture, detain and prosecute suspected terrorists in the wake of the September 11, 2001, attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/06/bush.speech/index.html
Vetalia
06-09-2006, 18:54
Well, it proves that Mario is a terrorist once and for all...
SHAOLIN9
06-09-2006, 18:57
*cough* LOL@bull *cough*

Ron Jeremy's soooo gonna find a way of silencing you!!!:eek:

*Rofl*
Free Soviets
06-09-2006, 18:58
ron jeremy is danger to all mankind

but otherwise, i guess it's good to move people from secret torture and murder camps to publicly known torture and murder camps. sort of.
Dinaverg
06-09-2006, 19:06
...¿Qué?
Utracia
06-09-2006, 19:16
ron jeremy is danger to all mankind

but otherwise, i guess it's good to move people from secret torture and murder camps to publicly known torture and murder camps. sort of.

Well we all know terrorists aren't really human right? Which is why they don't get the standard rights everyone else gets so.... hey, why not make the torture camps public?

And yes, your sarcasm meter should be twiching.
Wilgrove
06-09-2006, 19:16
I watch President's Bush speech, I was Sooo hoping that he would announce that he had Osama. How come we can capture everyone else in Al Queda leadership, but this bastard (who's pretty damn tall) is elusive.
Refused Party Program
06-09-2006, 19:16
ron jeremy is danger to all mankind

but otherwise, i guess it's good to move people from secret torture and murder camps to publicly known torture and murder camps. sort of.

Ah, Free Soviets. Ever undermining the establishments attempts to make concessions to the liberal right. Well played, my son, well played.
Lunatic Goofballs
06-09-2006, 19:21
...are to be moved from CIA custody to Guantanamo Bay. What are your feelings on this? Did you know Ron Jeremy was a terrorist? Do yo think he should be cut some slack for all that great 70s and 80s hair porn? How do you think the CIA caught Ron Jeremy?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/06/bush.speech/index.html

You beat me to it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who notied the resemblance. :p
Helioterra
06-09-2006, 19:21
...¿Qué?

"..will be transferred from CIA to Pentagon custody"

They swore there were no hidden CIA prisons.

"President Bush is expected to announce the move Wednesday, the first time the administration has acknowledged the existence of CIA prisons."
Surprise! Who would have guessed.
Free Soviets
06-09-2006, 19:25
"..will be transferred from CIA to Pentagon custody"

They swore there were no hidden CIA prisons. Where did CIA keep these 14 suspected terrorists?

they didn't. there are no prisons, therefore no prisoners. please resuming shopping.
Helioterra
06-09-2006, 19:26
they didn't. there are no prisons, therefore no prisoners. please resuming shopping.

Hey, you call yourself "Free Soviets". Oh yes, I take your word for it ;)

edit. Or is "free" an imperative?
Free Soviets
06-09-2006, 19:29
Ah, Free Soviets. Ever undermining the establishments attempts to make concessions to the liberal right. Well played, my son, well played.

it's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it
PsychoticDan
06-09-2006, 19:40
I don't really care what happens to most of these guys, but as far as porn star Ron Jeremy is concerned, I think his trial should be public. The other guys don't carry as much public fascination as porn star Ron Jeremy does. As to the CIA detention camps, do you think they kept porn star Ron Jeremy in one of the ones in Germany or do you think maybe they kept porn star Ron Jeremy on a secret porn stage in California's beautiful San Fernando Valley?
Refused Party Program
06-09-2006, 19:43
I don't really care what happens to most of these guys, but as far as porn star Ron Jeremy is concerned, I think his trial should be public. The other guys don't carry as much pubic fascination as porn star Ron Jeremy does.

:eek:
Wilgrove
06-09-2006, 19:44
I really don't care about these other people, I want Osama! *perferrbly dead and his head on a pike*
PsychoticDan
06-09-2006, 19:48
I don't really care what happens to most of these guys, but as far as porn star Ron Jeremy is concerned, I think his trial should be public. The other guys don't carry as much pubic fascination as porn star Ron Jeremy does.

:eek:
That would have been really funny if I had actually made that typo. :( Porn star Ron Jeremy would've.
Lunatic Goofballs
06-09-2006, 20:27
I really don't care about these other people, I want Osama! *perferrbly dead and his head on a pike*

All out of pike. How about a mackerel?