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I guess the terrorists won huh?

:D

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I guess the terrorists won huh?

:D

Why do you hate freedom? Clearly this is all part of the liberal activist judges' plot to destabilize and destroy American morals.

You're all going to Hell in a handbasket down there and what's more - you're all aware you're going to Hell in a handbasket. For the innocent bystanders, those of us who don't live in the US, it's like watching a season of Space:1999 - we watch in subdued horror and fascination, wondering how long it'll take for you to finally wig out and turn into foaming-at-the-mouth, rampaging cannibal types.

Wonder how many right-wing blogs are going to link this story and say "oops, guess we jumped the gun a little?" My guess? None. Like DK, they're already onto the next terrorist story, and if it flops, they'll ignore it and go on to the next one, and the next one, and the next one.

Wonder how many right-wing blogs are going to link this story and say "oops, guess we jumped the gun a little?" My guess? None. Like DK, they're already onto the next terrorist story, and if it flops, they'll ignore it and go on to the next one, and the next one, and the next one.

Further proof that the United States and NationStates General is addicted to the drug called "0h n0ez! I7s t3h eb1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©7i\/3!!!!" The original threads on the arrests and charges racked about 6 pages or more, but I'll be surprised if this one ever makes it to Page 2.

Further proof that the United States and NationStates General is addicted to the drug called "0h n0ez! I7s t3h eb1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©7i\/3!!!!" The original threads on the arrests and charges racked about 6 pages or more, but I'll be surprised if this one ever makes it to Page 2.Well, I'm certainly not going to help that happen...


Dammit! ;)

Wonder how many right-wing blogs are going to link this story and say "oops, guess we jumped the gun a little?" My guess? None. Like DK, they're already onto the next terrorist story, and if it flops, they'll ignore it and go on to the next one, and the next one, and the next one.
In their minds this doesn't disprove anything. Just that these 'terrorists' weren't up to anything yet, or were so devious the FBI couldn't trace anything to them - thus more power is needed to the FBI/Homeland security and less freedoms for ourselves is necessary.

I'd say they'd also probably ignore everything but the last bit about how these guys were probably going to be illegally altering the phones they bought and, foam-speckled, rage about how they should be charged with that crime - and then, of course, when no charges are laid rage about how this 'proves' the hidden liberal agenda, damned liberal judges and media, the obscene ACLU's control over the government/FBI and that it's just playing into the terrorists' hands.

as usual.

Isn't it fraud to buy phones, jack up the price and sell them when you're not an actual business?

Why do you hate freedom? Clearly this is all part of the liberal activist judges' plot to destabilize and destroy American morals.

I like you.

Please stay and post more.

Isn't it fraud to buy phones, jack up the price and sell them when you're not an actual business?
I think it depends on the jurisdiction--different laws for different places. But the key here is that it was the terrorism charges that were dropped.

Isn't it fraud to buy phones, jack up the price and sell them when you're not an actual business?

No, why should it? It's a crime not to report that income to the IRS but that's something else.

Isn't it fraud to buy phones, jack up the price and sell them when you're not an actual business?
See?
This is exactly what I posted.

They were arrested on suspicion of terrorism. Right-wingers had a field day. Now that it's shown to be bulldust, Right-wingers instead of apologising are now desperately looking at everything else in the hope that these guys were guilty of some crime, any crime.
Presumably finding out they have overdue library books will go someway towards soothing their cognitive dissonance at finding out that not all Muslims are terrorists.
Cause proving that they are guilty of something is akin to 'proving' they've got terrorist inclinations and thus supports the notion of racial profiling and taking away freedoms of American citizens.

Just like I said.

I also like this bit...



Mike Newman, vice president of ReCellular Inc. in Dexter, said certain companies will sell prepaid telephones at a loss because the phones are programmed so they only can be used with that particular company's telephone calling cards.

Newman said he's heard of a possibly illegal scheme involving middlemen who know how to unlock the software so the phones are no longer dependent on one company's calling cards or pre-paid services.

Like this one place I know in the city centre. :rolleyes:

Notice how our resident gadflies, like Deep K. are oddly absent..they are pwned and know it!

Further proof that the United States and NationStates General is addicted to the drug called "0h n0ez! I7s t3h eb1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©7i\/3!!!!" The original threads on the arrests and charges racked about 6 pages or more, but I'll be surprised if this one ever makes it to Page 2.

The evil Muslim Borg Collective? :confused:

Anyway, I'm not too surprised by this. Tact G-man made a convincing argument regarding black market money when it comes to stuff bought in bulk like phones, and that's exactly what this was. No surprise, end of story.

Well, someone might as well debunk this evil leftistliberaleuropeancommunistmuslimterrorist baloney, and that someone is me!

The guy(s) is/are terrorist(s)/Al Queda. You see, terrorist cells often use cell phones to communicate. (That is where the term 'cell' comes from. It's in the Koran, too.) Hence, the large number of cheap but effective communication devices is actually destined to help their terrorist plots.

That is why the FBI is not saying they are innocent. Note the wordage from Special Agent Daniel Roberts: "there is no information to indicate that the individuals arrested have any direct nexus to terrorism." Of course not. They are indirectly terrorist supporters. After all, they're not suicide bombers nor are they weapons merchants. But they do support terrorists with technology.

So they were let free so they'd let their guard down while the FBI monitors them and is able to find out who are members of the cell by tracking those cell phones!

Well, someone might as well debunk this evil leftistliberaleuropeancommunistmuslimterrorist baloney, and that someone is me!

The guy(s) is/are terrorist(s)/Al Queda. You see, terrorist cells often use cell phones to communicate. (That is where the term 'cell' comes from. It's in the Koran, too.) Hence, the large number of cheap but effective communication devices is actually destined to help their terrorist plots.

That is why the FBI is not saying they are innocent. Note the wordage from Special Agent Daniel Roberts: "there is no information to indicate that the individuals arrested have any direct nexus to terrorism." Of course not. They are indirectly terrorist supporters. After all, they're not suicide bombers nor are they weapons merchants. But they do support terrorists with technology.

So they were let free so they'd let their guard down while the FBI monitors them and is able to find out who are members of the cell by tracking those cell phones!
I thought this argument was shot down in the initial threads about this subject. Due to this, I believe you are not serious, but merely playing Devil's Advocate, since no doubt people like Deep Kimchi won't bother showing up.

I thought this argument was shot down in the initial threads about this subject. Due to this, I believe you are not serious, but merely playing Devil's Advocate, since no doubt people like Deep Kimchi won't bother showing up.

I'm not even putting effort into being an advocate. Just having fun.

Though it deeply disturbs me that someone actually did make the argument? I guess if that's what some people are gonna believe, that's what they're gonna post.

And DK won't care if this is debunked anyway. In DK and New Mitanni and other people like them opinions, the fact that there are 1 billion Muslims and only a few cases like these which are "aquitted" only means there's 999 million Muslims who are considered guilty until they, too, are proven innocent.

I'm not even putting effort into being an advocate. Just having fun.

Though it deeply disturbs me that someone actually did make the argument? I guess if that's what some people are gonna believe, that's what they're gonna post.

And DK won't care if this is debunked anyway. In DK and New Mitanni and other people like them opinions, the fact that there are 1 billion Muslims and only a few cases like these which are "aquitted" only means there's 999 million Muslims who are considered guilty until they, too, are proven innocent.

People also were trying to make the argument that the phones were going to be used as detonators for...IDF or something like that, whatever those are. (The only IDF I know of is the Israeli Defense Force.)

Isn't it fraud to buy phones, jack up the price and sell them when you're not an actual business?What?!? NO! That's just doing business! The whole point in business is to buy low, and sell higher--that's how profit happens. Without that, the business will DIE! It doesn't matter if it's 2 dudes selling out of their trunk, or some multibillion-dollar megaconglomerate: The principal is the same.

Like someone else said, if they don't pay their taxes, there'd be problems. But that's a different matter.

What you probably think of as an "actual" business just buys wholesale (ie, cheaper), and then sells retail (jacks up the price). That's how businesses make their money, and therefore have money to pay their employees, ship their stuff, etc. Any business that doesn't have enough profit margin--that's the part in between the cost to them and the sale amount--will die. Business is not a charity operation!

Little guys often don't have enough demand to justify buying the amounts of stock that most wholesalers require. So, they have to get their profit by finding other sources for things where they can get a profit margin. There's all kinds of legal sources for saleable stuff, and it's completely white-market, as long as they admit to it on their taxes. Not even gray. It's Legit.

Those guys went through the hassle of getting a load of phones together, putting up with misguided Feds, and are presumably still taking the phones to TX, so they earned that price difference. Not that the "earned-ness" matters one whit, because it doesn't. What matters is that it'd cost one of their 1-phone-buying customers probably $300 in gas to go to MI to match the deal! So them bringing in the phones and charging probably 10 or 20 bucks more than they paid is still a great deal for the customer.

As for being an "actual" business (in the US) if you sell things as a primary source of income, you are one. If you call yourself one, you also are one. In other words there are no special qualifications! (Exception being "skilled trades" like construction or auto repair, or restaurants, which have extra licensing requirements. But if you just sell regular stuff, stick your sign/website up and you're on.)

In some jurisdictions they may want you to get some license for your storefront (or a peddler's license for "out da trunk" or flea-market sales), but that's just a bureucratic thing and nothing major. If you ignore it you might get some kind of a fine, but it certainly wouldn't be "fraud."

If you get a "sales tax license" (aka a wholesale license) you don't have to pay the sales tax if you buy from a wholesale distributor, but if you skip that license it's no big deal, legally (at least in my state). It's just that without it, you're stuck paying the tax on the incoming goods (iow, you can't buy at true wholesale). With it, you only pay tax on the goods you sell within the jurisdiction of the state(s) you do business in.

As for getting the license, in MI it's just a matter of sending in a form to the Dept. of Treasury and waiting a few weeks. There's no other requirement for getting one. When I got mine I don't think I even had to have it notorized. They'll cheerfully accept tax from anyone willing to pay it! XD

I don't sell from my car or flea markets, but I know there are times that standard wholesale doesn't fit the bill. Some wholesalers have HUGE minimum order requirements, or will only deal if you've got a business phone, or they want to see your storefront, etc. etc. etc. If their chosen industry is full of that kind of baloney, then they might as well just skip it and make some other kind of deal.

Further proof that the United States and NationStates General is addicted to the drug called "0h n0ez! I7s t3h eb1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©7i\/3!!!!" The original threads on the arrests and charges racked about 6 pages or more, but I'll be surprised if this one ever makes it to Page 2.

I read too much Mega Tokyo, I can actualy translate the L337 Sp34k.

I read too much Mega Tokyo, I can actualy translate the L337 Sp34k.
So can I.
I don't know whether to be worried that thei makes me a geek, or secretly happy that I haven't gotten too old to still understand the young 'uns.

So can I.
I don't know whether to be worried that thei makes me a geek, or secretly happy that I haven't gotten too old to still understand the young 'uns.

Hmmm. Next time I make a geekiest thread, I may have to throw leet in there against Elvish and Klingon. ;)

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:D


LOL!

Hmmm. Next time I make a geekiest thread, I may have to throw leet in there against Elvish and Klingon. ;)
Ok, now I'm showing my age.
My first thought when I saw 'Elvish' was, "Why is talking like Elvis considered 'geeky'? Sure it's weird and a bit disturbing in it's obsessiveness but hardly geeky."

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/business/15313959.htm

I live in southwest Michigan, and this was a news article in my town's local newspaper last week. When I saw this topic, I remembered reading this article and found it online. It's about the company that repairs and sells used cell phones in Dexter, MI. I showed my parents this story and the one in the first post of this topic, and they think the three men from Texas are terrorists linked with Al-Queda. I think otherwise.

oh noes!!1! what will those surrender-munky libtards do next let all the moozies cultists take over congress, like that jawa Barack Obama bin laden?
/sarcasm