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In your opinion, should a CONVICTED child rapist get a life sentence?

for the purpose of the poll, "paedophile" is used to mean an adult who has deliberate sexual contact with a child (does not include adults who "just" look at child porn)

1. The "pedo" definition was purely for the purpose of the poll, whether or not it's actually an accurate definition.

2. I'm against the death penalty.

3. For the purpose of the poll, "child rapists" means an adult who rapes a child in a similar way that they may rape an adult - forced sexual intercourse (though of course children can not technically consent due to age anyway).

4. i'M REFERRING TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED.

Edit again: why can't polls be edited?

EDIT: Definitions: Child: Anyone under the age of consent. Rape: Forced sexual intercourse.

It should be life, unless it can be proven that they aren't a threat anymore (same as it should be with murderers, rapists, people who have commited other violent crimes etc).

No death penalty?

I think so. I think anyone who's fucked up enough to rape a child is beyond saving and should just be kept away from possible victims for life.

Stupid question, probably- what's the difference between a child rapist and a pedophile, the way you've defined it in the poll?

Normally I'd say death sentence, but that's not really economical as you end up sending more on courts and lawyers than you do housing them.

Throw them in general population, tattoo "Child Molester" on their forehead, let nature take it's course.

for the purpose of the poll, "paedophile" is used to mean an adult who has deliberate sexual contact with a child (does not include adults who "just" look at child porn)
but that definition is totally incorrect...
a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children, whether they control that urge or not

I think so. I think anyone who's fucked up enough to rape a child is beyond saving and should just be kept away from possible victims for life.

agreed.

Someone who is that screwed up can't be fixed, and can't be trusted.

Normally I'd say death sentence, but that's not really economical as you end up sending more on courts and lawyers than you do housing them.

Throw them in general population, tattoo "Child Molester" on their forehead, let nature take it's course.
Heh... I like it :)

Stupid question, probably- what's the difference between a child rapist and a pedophile, the way you've defined it in the poll?

A paedophile is attracted to children, but will never, ever act on his desires and harm a child.
A child rapist is someone who does rape a child.

Call me right wind, idiotic, gun totting, whatever, I don't care, but in my opinion if someone is know to be a child molester/raper whatever, then they should just be taken out and shot, no acceptions,

To all those who have selected that paedophiles should be locked up :

Just how exactly do you intend to find out if someone is a paedophile or not? If this person never acts on his impulses (and it is currently assumed that most paedophiles never do), what are you going to punish? Thought crimes and fantasies?

1. The "pedo" definition was purely for the purpose of the poll, whether or not it's actually an accurate definition.

2. I'm against the death penalty.

3. For the purpose of the poll, "child rapist" means an adult who rapes a child in a similar way that they may rape an adult - forced sexual intercourse (though of course children can not technically consent due to age anyway).

4. I'm referring to those who've been convicted

When handling pedos, rapists, and other social scum, the word "stroyent" immediately comes to mind.

A paedophile is attracted to children, but will never, ever act on his desires and harm a child.

A paedophile is someone who is attracted to children and may at any point go and hurt a child. The idea that they would never do it is an arguement I cannot agree with. People are weak, they act on their desires all the time. Child rapists after all are paedophiles who act on their disgusting urges.

A paedophile is attracted to children, but will never, ever act on his desires and harm a child.
A child rapist is someone who does rape a child.

Stupid question, probably- what's the difference between a child rapist and a pedophile, the way [he's] defined it in the poll?
Oh, and BTW, aren't child rapists technically pedophiles? I never knew that never harming a child was part of the definition of pedophile.
Anyway, if it's enforced intercourse or not, it doesn't make any difference. I'm happy with life and just as happy with having them shot.

There are only two ways of dealing with these kinds of people, death penalty, and forced, maximum security labor. Seeing as I am opposed to the former, the latter can't be so bad? Just sticking them in some remote Oklahoma institution and tagging them as 'slaves for life'.

life sentences? Thats stupid and wrong!












Just shoot them in the head;) seriously

There are only two ways of dealing with these kinds of people, death penalty, and forced, maximum security labor. Seeing as I am opposed to the former, the latter can't be so bad? Just sticking them in some remote Oklahoma institution and tagging them as 'slaves for life'.
don't send them here.

However, repeat offenders can get the death penalty (http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34488) here now.

I think they should have the troublesome body parts removed

I think they should have the troublesome body parts removed

Well, the part that is malfunctioning is their brain.

I'm all for a full leucotomy of anyone convicted of child molestation, regardless of the reason or background.

While it may or may not deter anyone, it will certainly prevent recidivism.

If you can't wipe your own ass without help, or conceive of the idea to stand up and walk without being told to do so, you're not likely to re-offend.

All rapists should be executed. Quickly, painlessly, and humanely, but executed nonetheless.

don't send them here.

Ah, my apologies then. But both of the coasts are too populated to keep them there. And I'm not confident enough in any foreign prison system. So that only leaves our isles in the Carribean, Alaska, and Hawaii to keep them. Or, shoot them in the face...

Ah, my apologies then. But both of the coasts are too populated to keep them there. And I'm not confident enough in any foreign prison system. So that only leaves our isles in the Carribean, Alaska, and Hawaii to keep them. Or, shoot them in the face...

send them to South Dakota, or Nebraska, nobody cool lives there, and it's rual-ish.

send them to South Dakota, or Nebraska, nobody cool lives there, and it's rual-ish.

Nevada. Throw them into the desert and let them rot.

Rape should be punishable by a life sentence without the possibility of parole no matter who commits it and no matter who the victim is. They should be locked up for a minimum of 40 years or until reaching age 75, whichever comes last, and then forced into a maximum-security retirement home where they no longer have to work but are monitored to within an inch of their lives. Basically, it's a prison transfer, but the prison is more of a retirement home.

But yes, lock them up for life in hard, manual labor.

Oh, and BTW, aren't child rapists technically pedophiles? I never knew that never harming a child was part of the definition of pedophile.
Anyway, if it's enforced intercourse or not, it doesn't make any difference. I'm happy with life and just as happy with having them shot.

Child rapists normally would be paedophiles. Same as Lesbians would normally be women. That doesn't mean that all women are Lesbians, nor that all paedophiles rape children. :rolleyes:

What definition of 'child' and 'rape' are we using in this thread? Because that kinda affects my opinion...

What definition of 'child' and 'rape' are we using in this thread? Because that kinda affects my opinion...

I'm guessing pre-pubescent, and any form of sexual contact.

get rid of the 'child' in the questions - rapists should be locked away no matter what the age of the victim imho. it sure is worst if someone rapes a child but it's still one of the worst and degrading things you can do to another human being.

It should be that peadophiles should be locked up until they are no longer a danger to children.
what i thought was a good idea(while I believe that they do in denmark)is that they use horone treatment to take the sex offender back to a pre-pubecent hormaonal level(whereas they used to castrate them)this seems like a workable solution, since not a single person who has had this treatment has reoffended.Thats pritty good!(ps I believe it is denmark, it may be sweeden and I beleve infomation about this appeares on the newsnight uk website)

You say you're against the death penalty, good for you, I'm not. Kill the b*******.

Definitions: Child: Anyone under the age of consent. Rape: Forced sexual intercourse.

Nobody likes my stroyent idea?

don't send them here.
Ah, my apologies then. But both of the coasts are too populated to keep them there. And I'm not confident enough in any foreign prison system. So that only leaves our isles in the Carribean, Alaska, and Hawaii to keep them. Or, shoot them in the face...
and Don't send them here!

perhaps a prision in Antartica... an International prision.... like Rua Pente.

To all those who have selected that paedophiles should be locked up :

Just how exactly do you intend to find out if someone is a paedophile or not? If this person never acts on his impulses (and it is currently assumed that most paedophiles never do), what are you going to punish? Thought crimes and fantasies?as long as they don't act upon those impulses... nothing.

but the moment they do, then they can be investigated. and if Child Porn is found in ther computers, or in their homes...

and Acting on it doesn't mean Rape, here in Hawaii, we have someone arrested for MOLESTING (not rape) a 14 yr old.

as long as they don't act upon those impulses... nothing.

but the moment they do, then they can be investigated. and if Child Porn is found in ther computers, or in their homes...

and Acting on it doesn't mean Rape, here in Hawaii, we have someone arrested for MOLESTING (not rape) a 14 yr old.

Molesting is an offence, no matter what the age, same as rape. But to classify someone as paedophile for making sexual advances at a 14 year old is somewhat ridiculous... paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children, and there are very few 14 year olds who haven't reached puberty yet.

I'm aware that US law is comparatively strict regarding age of consent - I think it's 18 over there, isn't it? If I recall correctly, either 14 or 16 is the age of consent in Germany (14, I think, but I may be wrong). Either way, I think the courts would view that case a molestation, not necessarily child molestation.

I dont agree with the death penalty, It's to quick and the person can die without accepting what he (or she it is not only men) has done as wrong.

Put them in a iron cage for life, being raped THEMSELVES by the cellmates and see how they like it.

Death penalty is the quick way out make them SUFFER.

But then the death penalty i dont agree with since everybody deserves a chance and if somebody can be helped we have the duty to make sure they get it.

I'm aware that US law is comparatively strict regarding age of consent - I think it's 18 over there, isn't it?.


In most states, its 16 (with parental consent, as well) or 17.

I dont agree with the death penalty, It's to quick and the person can die without accepting what he (or she it is not only men) has done as wrong.

Put them in a iron cage for life, being raped THEMSELVES by the cellmates and see how they like it.

Death penalty is the quick way out make them SUFFER.

But then the death penalty i dont agree with since everybody deserves a chance and if somebody can be helped we have the duty to make sure they get it.

This is why people like you shouldnt be in charge of a correctional facility.

Molesting is an offence, no matter what the age, same as rape. But to classify someone as paedophile for making sexual advances at a 14 year old is somewhat ridiculous... paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children, and there are very few 14 year olds who haven't reached puberty yet.True, but Molestation is still NOT rape. also you have exposing oneself to children. again, not rape, but a sign of being a pedophilia.

and Pedophilia is sex with any minor. that is under the Age of consent. so 14yr old is still a minor and thus falls under child molestation.

I'm aware that US law is comparatively strict regarding age of consent - I think it's 18 over there, isn't it? If I recall correctly, either 14 or 16 is the age of consent in Germany (14, I think, but I may be wrong). Either way, I think the courts would view that case a molestation, not necessarily child molestation.it varies from state to state. the average age is 16 tho. Link (http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm)

True, but Molestation is still NOT rape. also you have exposing oneself to children. again, not rape, but a sign of being a pedophilia.

and Pedophilia is sex with any minor. that is under the Age of consent. so 14yr old is still a minor and thus falls under child molestation.

it varies from state to state. the average age is 16 tho. Link (http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm)

Pedophilia or paedophilia (see spelling differences) is the paraphilia of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children. Persons with this attraction are called pedophiles.

In contrast to the generally accepted medical definition, the term pedophile is also sometimes used to denote significantly older adults who are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent[1], as well as those who have sexually abused a child. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophilia

What you are refering to is the legal definition of a sexual offense, not the medical definition of paedophilia. There are laws against sexual contact with minors, but there are no laws against paedophilia.

A paedophile is someone who is attracted to children and may at any point go and hurt a child. The idea that they would never do it is an arguement I cannot agree with. People are weak, they act on their desires all the time. Child rapists after all are paedophiles who act on their disgusting urges.
I am sexually atracted to females (females under the age of consent too, given that I am 15 myself), that doesn't mean that I am going to go out and rape them.

As for the original question, if there is any chance they might re-offend, then yes, provided that statutory rape is not included, it is actually a crime in this country to have sex with someone only a day younger than you if it is your 16th birthday.

Raping a pre-pubecent child should be insta-life in jail.

Raping a physical adult should be jail for life if you're charged twice with it, first time we can be kinda lenient, 10-20 years lenient.

In any country with a decent education system you should know all about your naughty bits by puberty, it would make sense to set the AoC as 'once your parts are working'...

However, that's a tune from a different opera.

I think for anyone who rapes, not just child rapists, but all rapists. To have their balls and penis cut off. Then do time for 8 or so years. If they commit a murder, or any other felony they should just be put to death by a bullet in the head. We don't need to be fiddle faddling with injections. Costs much less to just shoot them in the head with a bullet.

Personally, I prefer the death penalty over 'life without parole'. I consider it more humane.

But in the case of child molesters, I really don't have a preference. As long as you put them in the general population. The other convicts just LOVE child molesters. :)

Normally I'd say death sentence, but that's not really economical as you end up sending more on courts and lawyers than you do housing them.

Throw them in general population, tattoo "Child Molester" on their forehead, let nature take it's course.

:)

I'd like to say "yes", but I just can't.

In your opinion, should a CONVICTED child rapist get a life sentence?

for the purpose of the poll, "paedophile" is used to mean an adult who has deliberate sexual contact with a child (does not include adults who "just" look at child porn)

1. The "pedo" definition was purely for the purpose of the poll, whether or not it's actually an accurate definition.

2. I'm against the death penalty.

3. For the purpose of the poll, "child rapists" means an adult who rapes a child in a similar way that they may rape an adult - forced sexual intercourse (though of course children can not technically consent due to age anyway).

4. i'M REFERRING TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED.

Edit again: why can't polls be edited?

EDIT: Definitions: Child: Anyone under the age of consent. Rape: Forced sexual intercourse.

Okay, first let me say that I despise pedos with a violent passion, as many of you already know. However, that said...

As a matter of law, it's a terrible idea to make the sentence for raping a child -- or anyone, for that matter -- a life sentence. In most places, a life sentence is the harshest penalty under the law. Now, to convict someone for such a crime, it helps to have the primary witness -- the victime -- available to testify, or at least (in the case of a child, who may not be required to testify in court) provide the authorities with evidence, an account of the crime, etc. That won't happen if the victim is dead, and by making the penalties for murder and rape the same, we would simply be encouraging the perpetrator to kill his victim. What better way to avoid conviction than by eliminating the prosecution's best witness?

Okay, first let me say that I despise pedos with a violent passion, as many of you already know. However, that said...

As a matter of law, it's a terrible idea to make the sentence for raping a child -- or anyone, for that matter -- a life sentence. In most places, a life sentence is the harshest penalty under the law. Now, to convict someone for such a crime, it helps to have the primary witness -- the victime -- available to testify, or at least (in the case of a child, who may not be required to testify in court) provide the authorities with evidence, an account of the crime, etc. That won't happen if the victim is dead, and by making the penalties for murder and rape the same, we would simply be encouraging the perpetrator to kill his victim. What better way to avoid conviction than by eliminating the prosecution's best witness?

Never thought about it. Sheez, Are you always THAT smart?

Okay, first let me say that I despise pedos with a violent passion, as many of you already know. However, that said...

As a matter of law, it's a terrible idea to make the sentence for raping a child -- or anyone, for that matter -- a life sentence. In most places, a life sentence is the harshest penalty under the law. Now, to convict someone for such a crime, it helps to have the primary witness -- the victime -- available to testify, or at least (in the case of a child, who may not be required to testify in court) provide the authorities with evidence, an account of the crime, etc. That won't happen if the victim is dead, and by making the penalties for murder and rape the same, we would simply be encouraging the perpetrator to kill his victim. What better way to avoid conviction than by eliminating the prosecution's best witness?

Especially considering that he wouldn't increase the punishment in any way if he killed the child.

Especially considering that he wouldn't increase the punishment in any way if he killed the child.

Precisely my point.

Especially considering that he wouldn't increase the punishment in any way if he killed the child.

If you kill the child, what difference does it make if the child was raped beforehand? (Immediately beforehand, that is.) If someone rapes and murders someone, it's really just running up the score more than anything. If someone is killed, how they were killed makes little difference except for the number of people who would thoroughly enjoy seeing that person put away for life.

If someone dies instantly from being shot in the back of the head, they are just as dead as if they were raped, tortured, and murdered. The same goes for if someone is kidnapped and held hostage for years on end and eventually murdered; the kidnapping and such is still awful, but the crime that deserves the focus is the murder.

The only problem is that the child rapist may think to themselves, "Well, I already molested the hell out of this kid; I'm going to prison for life anyway, so I might as well just kill the fucker." I don't see it that way, since I would also imagine that the child rapist might think, "Well, I can keep the charade up enough if I don't kill the kid, and I might just get off without punishment." It's sick to think of child rapists getting away with their crimes, but we have three options here, and each one's as bad as the rest:

Let child rapists think they might get away with it - and we all don't want that to happen. Well, those of us who think children don't deserve to be raped, anyway, and that includes anyone I've ever met as far as I know.

Punish child rape equal to murder - and a child rapist might try to murder his victim to avoid the kid squealing or the parents suspecting anything. That and he probably thinks he has nothing to lose.

Reduce the sentence for child rape - if murder is punishable by life without parole, what do we do for child rapists? 25 years? OK, so the sick fuck who lives next door is 25 years old, goes to prison for raping a child, and is a 50-year-old sick fuck when he gets out. Then what? If child rape is a life sentence and murder gets the death penalty, surely those who fear the death penalty less than life in prison would be MORE inclined to commit murder when the alternative is life in prison.

Make murderers go into solitary - it's bad enough to go to prison. It's worse to go to a maximum-security prison. It's even worse knowing you ain't getting out. Ever. And on top of that, throw in being a child rapist, and those types of offenders are pretty much fucked. We could do worse to murderers; I'm sure. Put them in a section with the most assholish guards, constant surveillance, strip their cells bare, and tattoo their serial numbers on their faces as a replacement for a name. Surely we can do something worse to them.

No.

Depends on the case, 8 to 15 years in prison.

No.

Depends on the case, 8 to 15 years in prison.
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Explain plox...

I chose "no" because I believe child rapists should be given the death penalty.

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Explain plox...

Explain "plox" :)

I explain, plox or no plox...

1) I'm against death penalty
2) Murder should be the worst crime
3) Life for murder. In my country that usually means 14-16 years in prison. If the person is not capable to live in society, he will not be released after this usual period. He is sick and spends the rest of his life in mental institution anyway.
4) I know people hate me for this but I don't think rape is SOOOOOOO incredible evil and unbelievable crime to commit. Yes, I think it's very bad, but it's not the worst crime there is. Rape is much more common that most of us are willing to believe. It happens to your next door neighbour, your auntie or in any case, to someone you know. I don't mean that it's not as bad because it's common. I mean that (most) people are able to get over it.
5) Child rape is worse, of course. But what's a child? Some kids lose their virginity (voluntarily) at the age of 12. Some kids marry at that age and that's perfectly normal in many societies. Rape of a 5 year old sounds so horrifying that many want to lynch the rapist, as painfully as possible. I believe that the rapist is mentally ill. Should we kill everyone with serious mental illness?

My answer is no.

I explain, plox or no plox...

1) I'm against death penalty
2) Murder should be the worst crime
3) Life for murder. In my country that usually means 14-16 years in prison. If the person is not capable to live in society, he will not be released after this usual period. He is sick and spends the rest of his life in mental institution anyway.
4) I know people hate me for this but I don't think rape is SOOOOOOO incredible evil and unbelievable crime to commit. Yes, I think it's very bad, but it's not the worst crime there is. Rape is much more common that most of us are willing to believe. It happens to your next door neighbour, your auntie or in any case, to someone you know. I don't mean that it's not as bad because it's common. I mean that (most) people are able to get over it.
5) Child rape is worse, of course. But what's a child? Some kids lose their virginity (voluntarily) at the age of 12. Some kids marry at that age and that's perfectly normal in many societies. Rape of a 5 year old sounds so horrifying that many want to lynch the rapist, as painfully as possible. I believe that the rapist is mentally ill. Should we kill everyone with serious mental illness?

My answer is no.

I shouldn't even reply to this.......really.

People don't "get over" being raped, it's something you take with you every single day for the rest of your life, you may be able to function (or at least it looks like you are) but you are not the same, you are not "fine" and you are def. not "over it", having this happen as a child is 100 times (if not more) worse, it affects my everyday life, my relationships, my thoughts, my fears, every single thing that has happened since has been marred by the fact that this happened to me, I can't "get over it" I am traumatized forever.

I shouldn't even reply to this.......really.

People don't "get over" being raped, it's something you take with you every single day for the rest of your life, you may be able to function (or at least it looks like you are) but you are not the same, you are not "fine" and you are def. not "over it", having this happen as a child is 100 times (if not more) worse, it affects my everyday life, my relationships, my thoughts, my fears, every single thing that has happened since has been marred by the fact that this happened to me, I can't "get over it" I am traumatized forever.

Sorry to come across so cold, but...you're still alive, aren't you? Better than the alternative, isn't it?

Sorry to come across so cold, but...you're still alive, aren't you? Better than the alternative, isn't it?
apparenlty not, since I have attempted suicide quite a few times.

I get that rape doesn't have the same exact consequences of murder, but for someone to say it's less bad because it's common and people can "get over it" is stupid.

I shouldn't even reply to this.......really.

People don't "get over" being raped, it's something you take with you every single day for the rest of your life, you may be able to function (or at least it looks like you are) but you are not the same, you are not "fine" and you are def. not "over it", having this happen as a child is 100 times (if not more) worse, it affects my everyday life, my relationships, my thoughts, my fears, every single thing that has happened since has been marred by the fact that this happened to me, I can't "get over it" I am traumatized forever.

I'm sorry for you. I do know people who have been raped. One by her own father, year after year. She is as normal as anyone. Ok, maybe no one "gets over it", but then again, we all have things in our life that we can't get over with. Sad but true.¨

edit: I take my word back immediately. Not all of us have traumatising things in our past. Many of us. Most definitely not ALL of us.

apparenlty not, since I have attempted suicide quite a few times.

I get that rape doesn't have the same exact consequences of murder, but for someone to say it's less bad because it's common and people can "get over it" is stupid.

I did emphasize that I don't think that it's less bad because it's common.

I'm sorry for you. I do know people who have been raped. One by her own father, year after year. She is as normal as anyone. Ok, maybe no one "gets over it", but then again, we all have things in our life that we can't get over with. Sad but true.¨

edit: I take my word back immediately. Not all of us have traumatising things in our past. Many of us. Most definitely not ALL of us.
she may appear normal. ;) I get what you are saying, I just get oversensitive when people come out with the "it happens all the time get over it" stuff.
I did emphasize that I don't think that it's less bad because it's common.
you did.

apparenlty not, since I have attempted suicide quite a few times.

I get that rape doesn't have the same exact consequences of murder, but for someone to say it's less bad because it's common and people can "get over it" is stupid.

No offense meant to you at all, Smunkee, but...

Warning: I'm going to be cold and frank here.

Suicide is a coward's way out. You've got a problem? Face it. Deal with it. Calling it quits -- i.e. suicide -- is just giving up. You might not be able to get over it now, but you have to, at some point. Otherwise, everything you do is going to be coloured by a past experience. But, guess what? It's the past. There's nothing that can be done to fix it. What you have before you, though, is a life, a life that you can choose how it goes, a life that you can shape however you like, a life that doesn't revolve around whatever happened to you in the past. You have the present. You have the future. Make the most of them.

No offense meant to you at all, Smunkee, but...

Warning: I'm going to be cold and frank here.

Suicide is a coward's way out. You've got a problem? Face it. Deal with it. Calling it quits -- i.e. suicide -- is just giving up. You might not be able to get over it now, but you have to, at some point. Otherwise, everything you do is going to be coloured by a past experience. But, guess what? It's that past. There's nothing that can be done to fix it. What you have before you, though, is a life, a life that you can choose how it goes, a life that you can shape however you like, a life that doesn't revolve around whatever happened to you in the past. You have the present. You have the future. Make the most of them.
I am doing the best I possibly can right now, I don't expect things from you that you are unable to give, you can't possibly understand the things that happened to me, the things I have been through, the pain that I carry every single day of my life. I don't expect you to.

I am doing the best I possibly can right now, I don't expect things from you that you are unable to give, you can't possibly understand the things that happened to me, the things I have been through, the pain that I carry every single day of my life. I don't expect you to.


And I don't expect you to know what I've been through either. I just choose not to reveal stuff like that on an Internet forum.

You can't hope for people to "give." You can't even really hope for them to understand. We all go through shite -- different shite for each of us -- but we don't have to dwell on it and make it the core of our identity.

she may appear normal. ;) I get what you are saying, I just get oversensitive when people come out with the "it happens all the time get over it" stuff.

you did.
I admit that she had her problems. But she can live with it now. (I do know her very well, I just don't want to say anything more about it, I'm not perfectly anonymous around here.)

There are also different kind of rapes. Violent, humiliating (äsch, I mean even more violent and humiliating). It may be easier, sorry for using this phrase, to get over it, if it is a "bush rape", done by a total stranger. At least those kind of rapes are reported to police more often.

Suicide is a coward's way out. You've got a problem? Face it. Deal with it. Calling it quits -- i.e. suicide -- is just giving up.
Ignorance speaks again.

And I don't expect you to know what I've been through either. I just choose not to reveal stuff like that on an Internet forum.

You can't hope for people to "give." You can't even really hope for them to understand. We all go through shite -- different shite for each of us -- but we don't have to dwell on it and make it the core of our identity.

it's not the core of my identity and you are right I shouldn't have responded.

I admit that she had her problems. But she can live with it now. (I do know her very well, I just don't want to say anything more about it, I'm not perfectly anonymous around here.)

There are also different kind of rapes. Violent, humiliating (äsch, I mean even more violent and humiliating). It may be easier, sorry for using this phrase, to get over it, if it is a "bush rape", done by a total stranger. At least those kind of rapes are reported to police more often.
you are right ;) I am sorry I snapped back.

I have voted no.

The reason for this is that currently under Uk law life a realistic sentence of around 5 to 10 years.

I feel the punishment should be some what harsher. I would advocate a more sensible approach and go for full genetal removal. Thsi will curb any sexual desire at all and make them more suitable to integrate back into society.

Yes i am serious

it's not the core of my identity and you are right I shouldn't have responded.

:( I feel bad now. I'm sorry, my posts were too generalising. Don't mind about Cluic...

Ignorance speaks again.

Piss off.

:( I feel bad now. I'm sorry, my posts were too generalising. Don't mind about Cluic...

you are not responsible for my problems. ;) I have a problem, you didn't cause it and I shouldn't have said anything, it's a lack of self control on my part.

it's not the core of my identity and you are right I shouldn't have responded.

I'm glad to hear that. From what I've seen of you, from your posts on this forum, you're an intelligent, vibrant woman. Your response? Well, you were just speaking your mind, as we all do here. My reply to you was merely encouragement for you to move on from the past. You've got so much good ahead of you. :)

I'm glad to hear that. From what I've seen of you, from your posts on this forum, you're an intelligent, vibrant woman. Your response? Well, you were just speaking your mind, as we all do here. My reply to you was merely encouragement for you to move on from the past. You've got so much good ahead of you. :)

I repeat I am doing the very best I can at the current time. I am not normal, I function at the highest level possible.

I repeat I am doing the very best I can at the current time. I am not normal, I function at the highest level possible.

None of us is "normal," Smunkee. We all have shite we deal with.

Piss off.

Immaturity speaks again.

Only someone who knows nothing about e.g. depression can say that suicide is the coward's way out.

you are not responsible for my problems. ;) I have a problem, you didn't cause it and I shouldn't have said anything, it's a lack of self control on my part.

It's the internet. there is no self control... ;)

It's the internet. there is no self control... ;)

I seem to be lacking in it today. ;) thank you for being nice when I was not.

however the lifespan should only be as long as it takes to kill them

personally a 230gr 45 to the back of the head - could get ex kgb types for the administration of justice

Immaturity speaks again.

Only someone who knows nothing about e.g. depression can say that suicide is the coward's way out.

Only someone who knows nothing about English usage could throw an "e.g." out of place like that.

Immaturity? Come back when you've got a clue, kid.

No death penalty?

In our prison system, if the child molester is put in with the general prison population, a life sentence is a death penalty.

they should be locked up and castrated
if they offend once leaving prison
:eek:

I seem to be lacking in it today. ;) thank you for being nice when I was not.

Huh? You weren't "not-nice" either. ;)

We don't always agree on NS but I've read enough of your posts to respect you.

Immaturity speaks again.

Only someone who knows nothing about e.g. depression can say that suicide is the coward's way out.

yea but god will hate you
suicide is a last resort for people who are prisoners during a war

if your super mucho depresed the only way out is god, hobbys or death

yea but god will hate you
suicide is a last resort for people who are prisoners during a war

if your super mucho depresed the only way out is god, hobbys or death

:rolleyes:

God will hate me? scriptural backing?

God and Hobbies are equal? you must not think much of God, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to be hated by him......you know if you learned to knit for example.

Only someone who knows nothing about English usage could throw an "e.g." out of place like that.

Immaturity? Come back when you've got a clue, kid.

ok.
"Only someone who knows nothing about e.g. depression etc can say that suicide is the coward's way out."
;)

kid? :) How mature... Anyway, wrong thread. Start a new one about suicides if you wish to argue about it.

edit: Or ...about exempli gratia depression et cetera...

If you're against the death penalty for these assholes then I suggest you pay for their meals and clothes yourself, because I certainly don't want to keep them alive on my dollar just so you can feel better about yourself.

If you're against the death penalty, you don't like taking away life. But isn't that what you're doing when you put someone in a maximum security hard labor prison? It's the same thing, but with more torture and a strain to the public's pockets keeping the bastards alive.

Doesn't make sense.

If you're against the death penalty for these assholes then I suggest you pay for their meals and clothes yourself, because I certainly don't want to keep them alive on my dollar just so you can feel better about yourself.

Death penalty is more expensive than life in prison.

If you're against the death penalty, you don't like taking away life. But isn't that what you're doing when you put someone in a maximum security hard labor prison? It's the same thing, but with more torture and a strain to the public's pockets keeping the bastards alive.

Doesn't make sense.
There are other options.

Of course not. They should be shot.

Death penalty is more expensive than life in prison.

There are other options.

A: How is an injection more expensive than feeding and clothing and housing somoene until they die (up to sixty years sometimes)?

B: Like what? I don't see child molesters deserving of anything but death.

Whoa whoa whoa...

Indeed people goes through shite, personal shite usually. The shite do not have the same aspect, of course, for some is rape, for others is abuse, for others is the death of someone they loved, for others is not being able to be popular at school, for others is war, poverty, constricted tendencies, or teen angst. People tend to give different weight to different stuff. Everybody has to drown in their own glass of water, or ocean, or river, or creek, depending on the "size" of the stuff involved, but they have every right to drown nevertheless.

You cannot critic someone for drowning, (at least if they do it without perturbing the others, I hate those who paralyze our subway system by throwing themselves at the lines), you can only extend you hand to try to help them the best you can. Even if they fail to regain the needed courage to overcome whatever placed them in such a sad situation, you have no right to question their choice. It was not worst than your own choice regarding life, it was not better. It was just different.

I also choose to fight, and encourage people to continue fighting alongside their lives everyday, but I cannot blame them for crashing eventually, the world is sometimes too much.

To try to approach the kind of suffering a person goes through based on apprecciation of one's own feelings is perhaps a little bit...brave. Even if two different women go through similar expriences, perhaps it doesn't affect them in the same way.

Smunkee, today I respect you a bit more than I used to respect you. (I know you couldn't care less for such a thing, after all we're not here to earn the love or the respect of total, and usually stupid, strangers. But I try to be honest, and I didn't respect you enough before, and I do now). Good luck with your family and stuff over there.

A: How is an injection more expensive than feeding and clothing and housing somoene until they die (up to sixty years sometimes)?

B: Like what? I don't see child molesters deserving of anything but death.

A: you decide. Several studies, several results
http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/death/issues.html
(cost of the death penalty)

B: You don't. I do. (keeping it simple :) )

A: How is an injection more expensive than feeding and clothing and housing somoene until they die (up to sixty years sometimes)?

B: Like what? I don't see child molesters deserving of anything but death.

A: The appeals process is far more expensive for a death penalty case, and no one gets executed right away. If you eliminate the appeals process, too many innocents die. That's a price very few are willing to pay. I most certainly am not.

B: If the labor done by prisoners is of equal or greater value to the cost of keeping them incarcerated, then it's a viable option, and I don't really give a damn if some murderer or child rapist is devolved into a brainwashed slave in prison; they deserve it...IF they did it. If they were wrongfully convicted, then what do you do if they were executed? Just tell the family, "Sorry we wrongfully killed your uncle for a horrible crime he didn't commit." I don't think Hallmark makes greeting cards for such an occasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophilia

What you are refering to is the legal definition of a sexual offense, not the medical definition of paedophilia. There are laws against sexual contact with minors, but there are no laws against paedophilia.

yes, but your question was

To all those who have selected that paedophiles should be locked up :

Just how exactly do you intend to find out if someone is a paedophile or not? If this person never acts on his impulses (and it is currently assumed that most paedophiles never do), what are you going to punish? Thought crimes and fantasies? anyone doing any sexual offense in the presence of a child would then be investigated. then and there any child pornography found would then result in action taken.

thus you can still find out if someone is a pedeophile without that person choosing to Rape someone.

molestation of a Minor may not be rape, but it's still against the law.

Okay, first let me say that I despise pedos with a violent passion, as many of you already know. However, that said...

As a matter of law, it's a terrible idea to make the sentence for raping a child -- or anyone, for that matter -- a life sentence. In most places, a life sentence is the harshest penalty under the law. Now, to convict someone for such a crime, it helps to have the primary witness -- the victime -- available to testify, or at least (in the case of a child, who may not be required to testify in court) provide the authorities with evidence, an account of the crime, etc. That won't happen if the victim is dead, and by making the penalties for murder and rape the same, we would simply be encouraging the perpetrator to kill his victim. What better way to avoid conviction than by eliminating the prosecution's best witness?
actually it's not.

Life still has a possiblity of parole in 7 years (or 1/3 of the totall time sentenced, which ever is fewer.) and there is the possiblity of that person to be released on Good behavior.

Death Penalty is final.

Life without Parole can still have good behavior and if that person shows rehabilitation (but I believe they can only be released if a ranking offical grants the pardon, not sure tho.)

however, to insure that someone is in jail and won't come out, one needs to impose consecutive sentencing... say... 10 consecutive 30 yr imprisionment. so that would make their first chance for parole in... 70 yrs. 7x10

That's why some judges would sentence a person to something like, 99 consecutive 99 years in jail... that would make their first chance at parole in 693 years. (7x99)

now should the rapist add Murder of a child to his record... well sentencing wise, the punnishment gets worse... however, life inside prison turns from extremely bad, to HELL!

I say no. I sort of have a problem with one and only one punishment for any crime. I think that there should be a range of sentances with life in prison without parole for the worst cases. I just can't say for certain that every single person who rapes a child deserves put in prison for life without parole, although I am certain that some of the offenders should be.

This is why people like you shouldnt be in charge of a correctional facility.


Thats why im not:p

yes, but your question was
anyone doing any sexual offense in the presence of a child would then be investigated. then and there any child pornography found would then result in action taken.

thus you can still find out if someone is a pedeophile without that person choosing to Rape someone.

molestation of a Minor may not be rape, but it's still against the law.

Not all paedophiles molest or rape children, nor do all paedophiles watch children's porn. Paedophilia is a sexual orientation, nothing more and nothing less. Some people choose to act on it, others choose not to.
Those who choose not to might get assistance to fight their sexual urges by going into psychotherapy, or self-help groups. If you outlaw paedophilia on the whole and prosecute people simply for their thoughts, not their actions, you would make it impossible for these people to seek help.

We have laws against molestation and against rape. And I'm perfectly fine with those. We don't need laws against sexual orientation and fantasies.

I dont agree with the death penalty, It's to quick and the person can die without accepting what he (or she it is not only men) has done as wrong.

Put them in a iron cage for life, being raped THEMSELVES by the cellmates and see how they like it.

Death penalty is the quick way out make them SUFFER.

But then the death penalty i dont agree with since everybody deserves a chance and if somebody can be helped we have the duty to make sure they get it.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And how exactly you expect people to accept your "help" if you've had them raped?

Okay, first let me say that I despise pedos with a violent passion, as many of you already know. However, that said...

As a matter of law, it's a terrible idea to make the sentence for raping a child -- or anyone, for that matter -- a life sentence. In most places, a life sentence is the harshest penalty under the law. Now, to convict someone for such a crime, it helps to have the primary witness -- the victime -- available to testify, or at least (in the case of a child, who may not be required to testify in court) provide the authorities with evidence, an account of the crime, etc. That won't happen if the victim is dead, and by making the penalties for murder and rape the same, we would simply be encouraging the perpetrator to kill his victim. What better way to avoid conviction than by eliminating the prosecution's best witness?


Good point. What about if it was "life sentence" as a MINIMUM sentence for child rape (according to the definitions I used), but then for any extra offence it's either "gruelling work" or "lack of food" (not so much lack as to seriously harm the convict, just enough to punish them) or "worse food than before" (like bread and water instead of decent meals), or a period of "solitary confinment" or a combination of these?

I explain, plox or no plox...

1) I'm against death penalty
2) Murder should be the worst crime
3) Life for murder. In my country that usually means 14-16 years in prison. If the person is not capable to live in society, he will not be released after this usual period. He is sick and spends the rest of his life in mental institution anyway.
4) I know people hate me for this but I don't think rape is SOOOOOOO incredible evil and unbelievable crime to commit. Yes, I think it's very bad, but it's not the worst crime there is. Rape is much more common that most of us are willing to believe. It happens to your next door neighbour, your auntie or in any case, to someone you know. I don't mean that it's not as bad because it's common. I mean that (most) people are able to get over it.
5) Child rape is worse, of course. But what's a child? Some kids lose their virginity (voluntarily) at the age of 12. Some kids marry at that age and that's perfectly normal in many societies. Rape of a 5 year old sounds so horrifying that many want to lynch the rapist, as painfully as possible. I believe that the rapist is mentally ill. Should we kill everyone with serious mental illness?

My answer is no.

For the victim, murder = dead, victim no longer hurting as they are dead. O.K. so family grieves, but for the victim, they are no longer in pain.

For the victim, rape = life destroyed. Mental pain and torture (albeit on-and-off) for the rest of their life.

In my opinion, rape is worse than murder. I would rather be killed than tortured for the rest of my life (and as evidence by many suicide attempts in places such as Al Gharib, so would lots of other people.)

I'm sorry for you. I do know people who have been raped. One by her own father, year after year. She is as normal as anyone. Ok, maybe no one "gets over it", but then again, we all have things in our life that we can't get over with. Sad but true.¨....

She may be "normal" on the outside but you have NO IDEA how she feels inside.

she may appear normal. ;) I get what you are saying, I just get oversensitive when people come out with the "it happens all the time get over it" stuff.

you did.

It's not oversensitivity. It's understandable. I get pissed off when people come out with shit like that, and I've never been raped (though I've known people who have been and, to try to find out how best to support one of those people, have done a LOT of research on it).

No offense meant to you at all, Smunkee, but...

Warning: I'm going to be cold and frank here.

Suicide is a coward's way out. You've got a problem? Face it. Deal with it. Calling it quits -- i.e. suicide -- is just giving up. You might not be able to get over it now, but you have to, at some point. Otherwise, everything you do is going to be coloured by a past experience. But, guess what? It's the past. There's nothing that can be done to fix it. What you have before you, though, is a life, a life that you can choose how it goes, a life that you can shape however you like, a life that doesn't revolve around whatever happened to you in the past. You have the present. You have the future. Make the most of them.

Suicide is actually the body's response to dealing with a massive amount of pain. You carry a massive crate of beer up a long hill, after a while, no matter how hard you try, you can't take it any more and HAVE to put the box
down. Strange comparison maybe, but similar with suicide: Your body can take a certain level of pain. There's something called a "pain threshhold". Once you experience pain past that threshhold, as I found out the other day, you can end up going unconscious due to the pain - it's not because you're weak, it's because your body physically can't take it any more. That's physical pain. With mental pain, you can take a certain amount. Some people can take massive amounts before they even cry (crying is not cowardly either, it's another thing that happens due to the amount of pain the body receives). Once you've received more mental pain than your body can bear, the response is to kill yourself. In the physical example, your body gets so physically messed up that it shuts down (or tries to) physically. In the mental example, your body gets so messed up mentally that it shuts down mentally to the point where suicide is the only thing, at that moment, that is acceptable to the body. The brain is so overloaded with mental torture that it can not function effectively, and thus decides that suicide is a good option. Suicide is not cowardly. Look this stuff up if you think I'm talking crap.

I admit that she had her problems. But she can live with it now. (I do know her very well, I just don't want to say anything more about it, I'm not perfectly anonymous around here.)

There are also different kind of rapes. Violent, humiliating (äsch, I mean even more violent and humiliating). It may be easier, sorry for using this phrase, to get over it, if it is a "bush rape", done by a total stranger. At least those kind of rapes are reported to police more often.

Even if she is "fine" now, she's just one example.

And PS http://www.rapecrisis.co.uk and
http://www.safehaven-uk.org and
http://www.survive.org.uk

I worry over the effect rapists or paedophiles have on their victims.

I'd worry if they were repeat offenders as well.

i like the danish approach. Chemical castration

Suicide is actually the body's response to dealing with a massive amount of pain. *snip*

You make it sound as though it's the equivalent of touching a hot stove and pulling your hand away. That's a reflex action. Suicide is not. Suicide is done by choice.

Not all paedophiles molest or rape children, nor do all paedophiles watch children's porn. Paedophilia is a sexual orientation, nothing more and nothing less. Some people choose to act on it, others choose not to.
Those who choose not to might get assistance to fight their sexual urges by going into psychotherapy, or self-help groups. If you outlaw paedophilia on the whole and prosecute people simply for their thoughts, not their actions, you would make it impossible for these people to seek help.

We have laws against molestation and against rape. And I'm perfectly fine with those. We don't need laws against sexual orientation and fantasies.then guess what cabra... those who don't break the law will be safe from prosecution. after all, if they can and do control themselves and don't break the law, then they won't be put on trial, won't be investigated, and won't be punnished. ;)

now if they couldn't control themselves, and did get arrested, investigated, had their day in court and did get convicted...

Interesting. I was under the impression that the moderators had instatuted a moratorium on discussing pedophilia.

A paedophile is someone who is attracted to children and may at any point go and hurt a child. The idea that they would never do it is an arguement I cannot agree with. People are weak, they act on their desires all the time. Child rapists after all are paedophiles who act on their disgusting urges.

While I agree that it's inaccurate to say that pedophiles never hurt children, it's equally inaccurate to say that we hurt children in disproportionately greater numbers than nonpedophiles do. Indeed, if you run a search, you'll find hundreds of pages worth of debate on this subject including several studies which show a given nonpedophile is more than twice as likely to molest a child as a given pedophile.

Yes, strange as it may seem, 90% of all child rapists aren't primarily attracted to children. They simply use children because they happen to be availible and less likely to resist effectively than adults. Interestingly enough, I believe the figures cited in those threads indicated that around 75% of such rapes were commited by a parent.

Thus, I take issue with your statement that child rapists "are paedophiles who act on their disgusting urges."

Don't throw me and those like me in with that scum.

Not all paedophiles molest or rape children, nor do all paedophiles watch children's porn. Paedophilia is a sexual orientation, nothing more and nothing less. Some people choose to act on it, others choose not to.
Those who choose not to might get assistance to fight their sexual urges by going into psychotherapy, or self-help groups. If you outlaw paedophilia on the whole and prosecute people simply for their thoughts, not their actions, you would make it impossible for these people to seek help.

We have laws against molestation and against rape. And I'm perfectly fine with those. We don't need laws against sexual orientation and fantasies.

Let me tell you, it ain't easy getting help in the here and now, even before Ohio's new thought-crime register. People just have this irrational hatrid of pedophiles, and it makes seeking psychiatric help for related issues extremely dangerous.

You make it sound as though it's the equivalent of touching a hot stove and pulling your hand away. That's a reflex action. Suicide is not. Suicide is done by choice.

It's NOT choice as in an ordinary easy-to-make choice. It's a choice made by a brain that is now functioning dangerously due to the levels of pain experienced that it can no longer tolerate - similar perhaps to bashing a computer with a hammer, eventually (before it blows up) it will no longer function as it had previously functioned and may start acting dangerously (ignoring viruses etc) until eventually it shuts down.

they shouldnt be locked up at all they should be taken behind the building and shot.

Interesting. I was under the impression that the moderators had instatuted a moratorium on discussing pedophilia.



While I agree that it's inaccurate to say that pedophiles never hurt children, it's equally inaccurate to say that we hurt children in disproportionately greater numbers than nonpedophiles do. Indeed, if you run a search, you'll find hundreds of pages worth of debate on this subject including several studies which show a given nonpedophile is more than twice as likely to molest a child as a given pedophile.

Yes, strange as it may seem, 90% of all child rapists aren't primarily attracted to children. They simply use children because they happen to be availible and less likely to resist effectively than adults. Interestingly enough, I believe the figures cited in those threads indicated that around 75% of such rapes were commited by a parent.

Thus, I take issue with your statement that child rapists "are paedophiles who act on their disgusting urges."

Don't throw me and those like me in with that scum.



Let me tell you, it ain't easy getting help in the here and now, even before Ohio's new thought-crime register. People just have this irrational hatrid of pedophiles, and it makes seeking psychiatric help for related issues extremely dangerous.


Try http://www.stopitnow.org

WHile I think there should be near unlimited penalties for those who screw 9yr olds etc. The later years cause some problems. How about a 15 yr old when your 20? or versions thereof. Technically, I was "raped" when I was 17 by my older sisters 28 yr old friend. Reallistically, there was no "rape" about it, and I certainly wouldn't want her to have life in prison had my parents gotten tweaked about it.

WHile I think there should be near unlimited penalties for those who screw 9yr olds etc. The later years cause some problems. How about a 15 yr old when your 20? or versions thereof. Technically, I was "raped" when I was 17 by my older sisters 28 yr old friend. Reallistically, there was no "rape" about it, and I certainly wouldn't want her to have life in prison had my parents gotten tweaked about it.

While young children have no ability to choose not really knowing consequences of thier actions older children know and have an understanding and ability to choose for them selves if you say there was no real rape then I take that to mean it was consentual. I think that should not be punished as much as I disagree with relations with that difference in ages.

Try http://www.stopitnow.org

I'm looking, but so far, I don't see anything there indicating a place to go for help, or any sign they are able to do anything anyway. I see guidelines for identifying people at risk of offending (which, incidentally, doesn't even come close to applying to me) and advocation for people turning in their friends and family on a "suspicion", but I don't see that "help" you seemed to be offering.

Perhaps you could link to the specific page I should be reading. After all, it's a big site.

I'm looking, but so far, I don't see anything there indicating a place to go for help, or any sign they are able to do anything anyway. I see guidelines for identifying people at risk of offending (which, incidentally, doesn't even come close to applying to me) and advocation for people turning in their friends and family on a "suspicion", but I don't see that "help" you seemed to be offering.

Perhaps you could link to the specific page I should be reading. After all, it's a big site.

They offer confidential advice and assistance to those who are worried about their thoughts towards children (thoughts of a sexual nature) - 1-888-PREVENT (1-888-773-8368). http://www.stopitnow.org/resourceguide/rg02_adultjuvs.html

The UK website is http://www.stopitnow.org.uk