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Is anyone else planning on seeing this movie? The previews are starting to run on TV now, but I've seen it at AirVenture in July. So far it looks like a great aviation film! The only downside I could see is that they took an awesome war film, and add some romance to it. *gag* I'm still going to see it on opening day, so what do yall think?

It surely looks interesting. The WWI genre has largely been ignored by modern movie makers.

The preview aired before Snakes on a Plane looked fucknig awesome.

I've always thought that a movie about WWI pilots would be a good story, though I don't think that they're going to explore what I would have liked.

Is this based on the book of the same title by James Bradley? That was a decent read, so if it is, I might go see the movie.

They did the same thing to Pearl Harbor. I just waited for the tape and fast-forwarded to the interesting parts;) It would be nice to see cameos from Boelcke, Rickenbacker or Richthofen or Immelmann or {trails off}

They did the same thing to Pearl Harbor. I just waited for the tape and fast-forwarded to the interesting parts;) It would be nice to see cameos from Boelcke, Rickenbacker or Richthofen or Immelmann or {trails off}

Not sure they'd be very pretty nowadays.

I just watched the trailer. Where did the black pilot come from? The Tuskeegee Airmen didn't exist for about thiry more years. Does PC have to infect everything?

Not sure they'd be very pretty nowadays.

I just watched the trailer. Where did the black pilot come from? The Tuskeegee Airmen didn't exist for about thiry more years. Does PC have to infect everything?

apparently so, apparently so. I really love how they made the film look old fashioned. This will be the first WW I film I saw actually.

apparently so, apparently so. I really love how they made the film look old fashioned. This will be the first WW I film I saw actually.

All Quiet on the Western Front is a classic. The Blue Max is so-so for plot, but has a lot of flying. The Lost Battallion is one that I didn't think I'd like, but it turned out to be very well done.

There's another WWI aviation movie that I keep thinking about, but I can't remember the name. It's an old B&W movie, too.

There's another WWI aviation movie that I keep thinking about, but I can't remember the name. It's an old B&W movie, too.

Wings?

All Quiet on the Western Front is a classic. The Blue Max is so-so for plot, but has a lot of flying. The Lost Battallion is one that I didn't think I'd like, but it turned out to be very well done.

There's another WWI aviation movie that I keep thinking about, but I can't remember the name. It's an old B&W movie, too.

Ok, make Flyboys the second WWI movie I've seen. I've seen All Quiet on the Western Front.

Wings?

That's it!

There was a book I picked up at a library sale a couple years back. It is the diary of an unnamed pilot from WWI. The fun in reading it is that it is completely unadulterated by Hollywood and any other editors.

There was a book I picked up at a library sale a couple years back. It is the diary of an unnamed pilot from WWI. The fun in reading it is that it is completely unadulterated by Hollywood and any other editors.

Avoid the Red Baron's ghost-written autobiography at all costs. It really really is dull as ditchwater.

i guess i'll see it for the setting alone... i cant see any more ww2/vietnam/middle east war movies anymore, there's just too much.

Everything about World War One makes me shudder, because of all the horrible mistakes that were made, and the suffering it caused then, and is continuing to cause.

Everything about World War One makes me shudder, because of all the horrible mistakes that were made, and the suffering it caused then, and is continuing to cause.

What suffering is WW I contiuning to cause?

What suffering is WW I contiuning to cause?

Take a look at the middle east. The breakup of the Ottoman Empire was a vital factor in the growth of Arab nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism. That's the most obvious one, of course, there's plenty of other screwy effects as well, and it would take a while to list them all.

There is the Dawn Patrol with Errol Flynn thats alright will there be cameo roles of people like Billy Bishop , Albert Ball , Mick Mannock

I dunno, from the commercial I just saw there appear to be a few innacuracies...those are some pretty manuverable biplanes for one thing, and their CG isnt exactly top-notch...
It might be good though :)

Take a look at the middle east. The breakup of the Ottoman Empire was a vital factor in the growth of Arab nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism. That's the most obvious one, of course, there's plenty of other screwy effects as well, and it would take a while to list them all.

Actually, I think today's Middle East problems stems from when the Western world decides that the Sphere of Influence was a good thing. This would also explain why Africa is so screwed up.

They did the same thing to Pearl Harbor. I just waited for the tape and fast-forwarded to the interesting parts;) It would be nice to see cameos from Boelcke, Rickenbacker or Richthofen or Immelmann or {trails off}

Goering?

Goering?

i thought Goering was WWII. And i didn't mean, cameos-cameos, I meant someone showing up and they're like "Oh, hey, Boelcke/ Rickenbacker/ Richtofen/Immelmann {trails off again}" oh, and another good WWI movie is Sgt. York.

i thought Goering was WWII. And i didn't mean, cameos-cameos, I meant someone showing up and they're like "Oh, hey, Boelcke/ Rickenbacker/ Richtofen/Immelmann {trails off again}" oh, and another good WWI movie is Sgt. York.

Hermann Goering was a German WWI fighter ace, prior to his Nazi career.

Hermann Goering was a German WWI fighter ace, prior to his Nazi career.

oohhhhh! btw, i just saw the trailer last night. doesn't it seem to b that there are huge are battles bigger than what history tells us. and how many Fokker D1's were painted that scheme?

I'm pretty sure these were French aviators that were shown in the trailers. The black pilot probably came from one of the colonies. A substantial number of colonial troops served with the French army.

I'm pretty sure these were French aviators that were shown in the trailers. The black pilot probably came from one of the colonies. A substantial number of colonial troops served with the French army.

Apparently that's possible. A review of a book on Amazon follows. Here's another link that describes Mr. Bullard as the first Negro aviator.
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-741


There was also airmen Eugene Bullard, who was not allowed to fly combat missions for America. Bullard was however, welcomed by the French army and became an ace pilot during World War I. Bullard flew more than twenty missions against the Germans and was credited with shooting down at least five enemy aircraft.


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It's a good indication of how far we have come toward equality, that only 90 years ago Negros were not allowed to join the Army Air Corps.

i took this from the forums at the flyboys movie official site:

It is impossible that they wouldve had some Black guy with them back then. Its revisionist. Why the hek did they put him in this movie!!??


Why? Because there was a black pilot in the LaFayette Escadrille!!
France has never had the Racial BS that America has had, even at that
time. There were many Black heros who fought for the AEF and after the
war some of those men were murdered back in the United States.

This particular pilot was refused entrance into the United States Army
Air Corp late in 1917 because he was black, even though the man had
air combat experiance.

and


Eugene Bullard was an African -American Pilot serving with the LaFayette Flying Corps.

in the past the contributions of african american (and other people of color) have been largely ignored by historians and especially by hollywood. the PC movement has forced recognition of minority contributions to history and culture.

not that this movie is likely to be terribly historically accurate but its a good thing to reclaim lost heros.

It surely looks interesting. The WWI genre has largely been ignored by modern movie makers.

Yes indeed. Some I don't think have been mentioned yet:
Aces High
Hell's Angels
Galipolli
Paths of Glory (has anyone seen the 2001 remake?

Grand Illusion is supposed to be excellent, but I haven't seen it yet.

Has anyone seen Deathwatch?

Just keep telling yourself that and I'm sure you will believe it one day.

Here's something to think about. Were there any Negro pilots in WWI on any side?

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It's a good indication of how far we have come toward equality, that only 90 years ago Negros were not allowed to join the Army Air Corps.

Heh. I almost missed your other edit to post that very same link. :D
I knew there had been a "black" aviator with the Lafayette Escadrille. I just couldn't remember his name off the top of my head.
According to the wikipeadia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Bullard), the "Black Swallow of Death" was awarded the Légion d'honneur as well as the Croix de guerre (but for his service in the Légion Étrangère, as I understand).

Bingo. I could swear that

Yes indeed. Some I don't think have been mentioned yet:
Aces High
Hell's Angels
Galipolli
Paths of Glory (has anyone seen the 2001 remake?

Grand Illusion is supposed to be excellent, but I haven't seen it yet.

Has anyone seen Deathwatch?



Heh. I almost missed your other edit to post that very same link. :D
I knew there had been a "black" aviator with the Lafayette Escadrille. I just couldn't remember his name off the top of my head.
According to the wikipeadia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Bullard), the "Black Swallow of Death" was awarded the Légion d'honneur as well as the Croix de guerre (but for his service in the Légion Étrangère, as I understand).

Bingo. I could swear that
Somehow, you got parts of a post that I should have changed before posting. I ended up with one that was about 180 out from the original.

Somehow, you got parts of a post that I should have changed before posting. I ended up with one that was about 180 out from the original.

Yep, I came in seeing the first, and went to go look up the name and detalis of the black pilot (as I said, I knew there was one, just couldn't recall his name) Hence the "I almost missed your other edit to post that very same link" comment. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. ;)

I'm pretty sure these were French aviators that were shown in the trailers. The black pilot probably came from one of the colonies. A substantial number of colonial troops served with the French army.

there were some canadian flyers around and i'm pretty sure there are at least some 'black' people in canada... ;) manfred von richthofen was shoot down by a canadian by the way.

Yep, I came in seeing the first, and went to go look up the name and detalis of the black pilot (as I said, I knew there was one, just couldn't recall his name) Hence the "I almost missed your other edit to post that very same link" comment. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. ;)

Nah, my only complaint was that I should have done my editing before I posted the darned thing. That's the problem with memory -- you're absolutely sure of something, then you get a nagging feeling that you're wrong. When you confirm the doubt after making the statement that you're absolutely sure of, it's too late.

Nah, my only complaint was that I should have done my editing before I posted the darned thing. That's the problem with memory -- you're absolutely sure of something, then you get a nagging feeling that you're wrong. When you confirm the doubt after making the statement that you're absolutely sure of, it's too late.

No worries. ;)