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Who should pay?

Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 14:31
I know this is an old news item, but I'm still mystified (and pleased) by the way the justice system works in Norway. I'm also wondering what kind of men live in Norway who would "not want" a freebie. It did occur to me that perhaps she was not very good at it, or perhaps he was gay and offended by opening his eyes and realizing it was a woman.

But it does raise the question, "who should pay"? I mean, normally, in the US, if a woman gives a man a blowjob, and if there is any money to be exchanged, it's the woman who gets the money.

Norway, by comparison, is an enlightened place.

Norwegian Court Convicts First Woman for Rape

Thu Apr 28, 9:15 AM ET

OSLO (Reuters) - A Norwegian court has sentenced a woman to nine months in jail for raping a man, the first such conviction in the Scandinavian country that prides itself for its egalitarianism.

The 31-year-old man fell asleep on a sofa at a party in January last year and told the court in the western city of Bergen he woke to find the 23-year-old woman was having oral sex with him.

Under Norwegian law, all sexual acts with someone who is "unconscious or for other reasons unable to oppose the act" are considered rape.

The court sentenced the woman Wednesday to nine months in jail and ordered her to pay 40,000 Norwegian crowns ($6,355) in compensation.

"This is a very harsh sentence," the woman's lawyer, Per Magne Kristiansen, told the Norwegian news agency NTB. The woman argued the man had been awake and consented.

The prosecutor had sought a 10-month sentence and argued the court should not be more lenient with a woman than a man. It was Norway's first conviction of a woman for rape.

Norway has long traditions of equality -- 40 percent of the cabinet of Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik, for instance, are women.

I personally find this reprehensible. I think that any 23 yr old woman should only be required to pay me $50 for a blowjob, though I think its only fair that it be upped to $100 if she swallows since she has then received the benefit of my seed.

I will now seek passage to Norway where they are at least enlightened enough to recognize that women should pay for the privilege of fellating us.
Lroon
05-09-2006, 14:34
I know this is an old news item, but I'm still mystified (and pleased) by the way the justice system works in Norway. I'm also wondering what kind of men live in Norway who would "not want" a freebie. It did occur to me that perhaps she was not very good at it, or perhaps he was gay and offended by opening his eyes and realizing it was a woman.

But it does raise the question, "who should pay"? I mean, normally, in the US, if a woman gives a man a blowjob, and if there is any money to be exchanged, it's the woman who gets the money.

Norway, by comparison, is an enlightened place.



I personally find this reprehensible. I think that any 23 yr old woman should only be required to pay me $50 for a blowjob, though I think its only fair that it be upped to $100 if she swallows since she has then received the benefit of my seed.

I will now seek passage to Norway where they are at least enlightened enough to recognize that women should pay for the privilege of fellating us.

:rolleyes: Look, if the guy was unconscious, and he was clearly upset about it if he sought criminal prosecution...
Ice Hockey Players
05-09-2006, 14:37
He didn't ask for it, so she pays; it's as simple as that. Frankly, what woman would want to do that is a little beyond me; I always thought women hated giving head and only did it because men pleaded with them.

If a woman awoke to find a man going down on her, she would be well within her right to press charges and would likely get a conviction. Enough of this "Well, the guy got head, so he's a lucky bastard" horseshit. Rape is rape, regardless of how "lucky" he should feel to have it.

BTW, I voted "I hate fellatio" and was the first to vote in the poll. And yes, I am a guy. Read it and weep. I don't trust any women near my manhood with her teeth; it might not be attached afterward.
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 14:37
:rolleyes: Look, if the guy was unconscious, and he was clearly upset about it if he sought criminal prosecution...

How can an unconscious man get a hardon? I think not.
Ice Hockey Players
05-09-2006, 14:38
How can an unconscious man get a hardon? I think not.

Uhh, guys wake up with hardons all the time. It's not that unusual.
Lunatic Goofballs
05-09-2006, 14:38
Things you never hear by George Carlin:

"Stop sucking my dick, or I'll call the polce!"

...until now! :eek:
Call to power
05-09-2006, 14:39
How can an unconscious man get a hardon? I think not.

haven’t you ever woke up with a huge erection :eek: (seriously you must have something wrong if you never get that)
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 14:40
I don't see why a rapist shouldn't pay...a 10 month jail sentence is light, though, if that's the average sentence a rapist in Norway gets.
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:41
How can an unconscious man get a hardon? I think not.

Depends on her abilities, I guess ;)
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 14:41
haven’t you ever woke up with a huge erection :eek: (seriously you must have something wrong if you never get that)

There's a difference between sleep and unconsciousness.
Call to power
05-09-2006, 14:42
BTW, I voted "I hate fellatio" and was the first to vote in the poll. And yes, I am a guy. Read it and weep. I don't trust any women near my manhood with her teeth; it might not be attached afterward.

your not alone there though I don't like it more because its not the most fun you can have with a woman (also I’ve never come across the word fellatio)
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 14:42
Uhh, guys wake up with hardons all the time. It's not that unusual.

And since when do guys turn down a blowjob?
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 14:43
And since when do guys turn down a blowjob?If he wasn't asked, he could hardly turn it down.
Lroon
05-09-2006, 14:43
And since when do guys turn down a blowjob?

Oh please. Thank you for stereotyping a good half of the world there.
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 14:44
I always thought women hated giving head and only did it because men pleaded with them.


Keep thinking that, it is in our best interest to keep you thinking that.

We do not want to lose the measure of power that line gives to us. That allows us to always ask something in return for that, even if we like it.
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:44
There's a difference between sleep and unconsciousness.

Your article says he was asleep, though...
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:45
Keep thinking that, it is in our best interest to keep you thinking that.

We do not want to lose the measure of power that line gives to us. That allows us to always ask something in return for that, even if we like it.

Hehe.... and don't we make use of it :D
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 14:45
Your article says he was asleep, though...

It still doesn't explain why he was so upset.

I've never met anyone here in the US (aside from gay men) who would pass up a blowjob from a woman.
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 14:46
It still doesn't explain why he was so upset.

I've never met anyone here in the US (aside from gay men) who would pass up a blowjob from a woman.Maybe he's gay, or maybe she's hideous?
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:46
It still doesn't explain why he was so upset.

I've never met anyone here in the US (aside from gay men) who would pass up a blowjob from a woman.

*shrugs

Nobody ever turned me down when I offered one. I guess the two had some sort of history...
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 14:46
And since when do guys turn down a blowjob?

Does it say anywhere how cute the attacker was?
Call to power
05-09-2006, 14:46
Keep thinking that, it is in our best interest to keep you thinking that.

We do not want to lose the measure of power that line gives to us. That allows us to always ask something in return for that, even if we like it.

I heard it tastes nasty though (albeit that depends on how much celery and garlic you have)

Has Call to Power been fooled!
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 14:46
Hehe.... and don't we make use of it :D

Aaall the time sister, all the time.

*Highfives*
Ice Hockey Players
05-09-2006, 14:46
Keep thinking that, it is in our best interest to keep you thinking that.

We do not want to lose the measure of power that line gives to us. That allows us to always ask something in return for that, even if we like it.

It's OK; even if you like doing it, plenty of guys don't want it, including myself. Besides, I fail to see what joy a woman gets out of giving head to a guy...
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:47
Maybe he's gay, or maybe she's hideous?

*lol
He could have just closed his eyes again and imagined her to be Angelique Jolie, couldn't he? Or Matt Damon.
Maybe she was just bad.
Lunatic Goofballs
05-09-2006, 14:47
It still doesn't explain why he was so upset.

I've never met anyone here in the US (aside from gay men) who would pass up a blowjob from a woman.

Maybe he was upset because he wasn't awake to enjoy it.
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 14:48
Maybe he was upset because he wasn't awake to enjoy it.

Well, that's plausible. I was thinking, perhaps, that she accidentally used too much teeth.
Lroon
05-09-2006, 14:48
Perhaps the guy is married. Or a priest. Or just religious...

Need I go on?
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 14:48
*lol
He could have just closed his eyes again and imagined her to be Angelique Jolie, couldn't he? Or Matt Damon.
Maybe she was just bad.Lol. That might be it - she was toothy.

[Edit: beaten to it.]
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 14:49
I heard it tastes nasty though (albeit that depends on how much celery and garlic you have)

Has Call to Power been fooled!

I won't add any details, but I recomend you to eat apples and drink apple juice. If you are subjected to that kind of treatment periodically, she will thank you for that.

And noone forces you to swallow, in any case. Even if the fun ends there. It is usually a beginning, not an end.
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:50
I heard it tastes nasty though (albeit that depends on how much celery and garlic you have)

Has Call to Power been fooled!

http://fff.fathom.org/forums/images/smilies/yummy.gif
... possibly. I won't betray my sisters here ...
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 14:50
Lol. That might be it - she was toothy.

Maybe, she blew.

Pun intended.
Demented Hamsters
05-09-2006, 14:51
I personally find this reprehensible. I think that any 23 yr old woman should only be required to pay me $50 for a blowjob, though I think its only fair that it be upped to $100 if she swallows since she has then received the benefit of my seed.

I will now seek passage to Norway where they are at least enlightened enough to recognize that women should pay for the privilege of fellating us.

Yay for perpertuating the myth that all men want it all the time with whatever woman they can find, and thus are incapable of being raped/coerced.
Very enlightened of you.

Why do you immediately assume the woman's a looker?
Let's be honest here - if she has to resort to giving headjobs to unconscious drunk guys, she's probably no oil painting.
Unless the oil painting in question is this one:
http://www.jahsonic.com/QuentinMassys.jpg



DK, click the link below and tell me if there's any of the women listed there you'd like to wake up to see with your dick between their teeth:
ugly women wanting men (http://www.marry-an-ugly-millionaire-online-dating-agency.com/women-seeking-men.htm)
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 14:52
It's OK; even if you like doing it, plenty of guys don't want it, including myself. Besides, I fail to see what joy a woman gets out of giving head to a guy...

I fail to see what joy a man gets out of playing with the things hanging from my chest, usually called breasts, or tits, or whatever. And why they are SO attracted to them, aside freudian tendences.

They love it, although. Same with women who likes some manouvers.

Get my point from the comparison or should I find the board and the crayola?
Cabra West
05-09-2006, 14:55
I won't add any details, but I recomend you to eat apples and drink apple juice. If you are subjected to that kind of treatment periodically, she will thank you for that.

And noone forces you to swallow, in any case. Even if the fun ends there. It is usually a beginning, not an end.

Pineapples. *nods

Yummy indeed.
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:03
He didn't ask for it, so she pays; it's as simple as that. Frankly, what woman would want to do that is a little beyond me; I always thought women hated giving head and only did it because men pleaded with them.

I believe you are mistaken.
How can an unconscious man get a hardon? I think not.
yes, they can. I don't want to go into too many details, but I know someone who was in a coma for 8 months and still got erections.
If he wasn't asked, he could hardly turn it down.
true. I hate this double standard that goes on, I mean it's a big deal when people call a woman who likes sex a slut (as it should be) but when a man gets raped it's okay to joke about that?
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 15:14
true. I hate this double standard that goes on, I mean it's a big deal when people call a woman who likes sex a slut (as it should be) but when a man gets raped it's okay to joke about that?

Ah, Smunkee, Smunkee, Smunkee... what liberal propoganda have you been reading?

Women don't like sex, silly!

;)
Lroon
05-09-2006, 15:18
Ah, Smunkee, Smunkee, Smunkee... what liberal propoganda have you been reading?

Women don't like sex, silly!

;)

They'd better not!

*waves flaming bible of rightful male dominance*
Hamilay
05-09-2006, 15:20
They'd better not!

*waves flaming bible of rightful male dominance*
*waves phallic superiority*
Heh, that one was a good thread.
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:20
Ah, Smunkee, Smunkee, Smunkee... what liberal propoganda have you been reading?

Women don't like sex, silly!

;)

see? and you get it.

I like sex. I like sex a lot, but if I woke up with someone doing something to me that I didn't consent to, it would be wrong, very wrong, I bet even DK would support me in filing charges (or you know shooting the guy in the head) but when it's a man it's all "he should have been happy" WTF?!
Teh_pantless_hero
05-09-2006, 15:21
Ha ha! In your face double standards!
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 15:22
Ha ha! In your face double standards!

Well, yes. There was a penis in someone's face at some point...
Hamilay
05-09-2006, 15:22
Waitaminute... he was asleep? How can you not notice someone doing... you know... even when you're asleep? Or did he wake up pretty much immediately?
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 15:23
*waves phallic superiority*
Ow! My eye! If you're not gonna use it, put it away!
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:24
Waitaminute... he was asleep? How can you not notice someone doing... you know... even when you're asleep? Or did he wake up pretty much immediately?

maybe he was unconcious from drinking. I have heard of women who passed out drunk and got raped.
Wilgrove
05-09-2006, 15:24
Oh comon, if I fell asleep and woke up to finding a woman giving me a blowjob, I would count it as a great day!
Drake and Dragon Keeps
05-09-2006, 15:24
Waitaminute... he was asleep? How can you not notice someone doing... you know... even when you're asleep? Or did he wake up pretty much immediately?

Maybe he thought it was a dream untill he opened his eyes
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:24
Norwegian Court Convicts First Woman for Rape

Thu Apr 28, 9:15 AM ET

OSLO (Reuters) - A Norwegian court has sentenced a woman to nine months in jail for raping a man, the first such conviction in the Scandinavian country that prides itself for its egalitarianism.

The 31-year-old man fell asleep on a sofa at a party in January last year and told the court in the western city of Bergen he woke to find the 23-year-old woman was having oral sex with him.

Under Norwegian law, all sexual acts with someone who is "unconscious or for other reasons unable to oppose the act" are considered rape.

The court sentenced the woman Wednesday to nine months in jail and ordered her to pay 40,000 Norwegian crowns ($6,355) in compensation.

"This is a very harsh sentence," the woman's lawyer, Per Magne Kristiansen, told the Norwegian news agency NTB. The woman argued the man had been awake and consented.

The prosecutor had sought a 10-month sentence and argued the court should not be more lenient with a woman than a man. It was Norway's first conviction of a woman for rape.

Norway has long traditions of equality -- 40 percent of the cabinet of Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik, for instance, are women.



Harsh sentence? A FEW MONTHS in jail for rape. Forget how you think YOU would feel if a GORGEOUS woman was orally raping you (what if they were an ugly woman? Plus wouldn't the fact they treated you like an object by not getting your consent count for anything?), and think of it in terms of: a person (ignore the gender) was forcing oral sex onto a person (again, ignore the gender) who clearly didn't want it. A person forced oral sex on someone. It's sickening. The perpetrator should have been locked up for years, at the very least.
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 15:24
Waitaminute... he was asleep? How can you not notice someone doing... you know... even when you're asleep? Or did he wake up pretty much immediately?

That's what I found amusing. If he had an orgasm, how did he sleep through that?
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 15:25
Oh comon, if I fell asleep and woke up to finding a woman giving me a blowjob, I would count it as a great day!What if she had herpes? Or you suspected she did?
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:25
That's what I found amusing. If he had an orgasm, how did he sleep through that?

Lots of people (usually female as reported by the media) have not noticed someone ont top of them immediately when they've been asleep.
Drake and Dragon Keeps
05-09-2006, 15:26
That's what I found amusing. If he had an orgasm, how did he sleep through that?

Why do you think wet dreams are so named
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:27
How can an unconscious man get a hardon? I think not.

Re-take sex education. Men have many erections while asleep.
Wilgrove
05-09-2006, 15:27
What if she had herpes? Or you suspected she did?

We have pills for that.
Demented Hamsters
05-09-2006, 15:27
Besides, I fail to see what joy a woman gets out of giving head to a guy...
What joy do you get out of giving oral to your g/f?
Wilgrove
05-09-2006, 15:27
What joy do you get out of giving oral to your g/f?

The joy comes later down the road. ;)
Jello Biafra
05-09-2006, 15:28
We have pills for that.Well, the pills could reduce the number of outbreaks, but it won't cure it.
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:28
Oh comon, if I fell asleep and woke up to finding a woman giving me a blowjob, I would count it as a great day!

:rolleyes: you guys make me sick.
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 15:29
What joy do you get out of giving oral to your g/f?

None. Do not ask further.
Demented Hamsters
05-09-2006, 15:30
The joy comes later down the road. ;)

exactly.


Also - here's an incredible thought! - maybe you get a bit of satisfaction out of the fact you're giving the person (I assume) you have deep feelings for, a real good time.
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 15:30
see? and you get it.

I like sex. I like sex a lot, but if I woke up with someone doing something to me that I didn't consent to, it would be wrong, very wrong, I bet even DK would support me in filing charges (or you know shooting the guy in the head) but when it's a man it's all "he should have been happy" WTF?!

Yes. Sex is good. Especially if you do it right. (Or 'wrong'... which is sometimes even more 'right').

But, it is good when you consent. If I woke up with some random head between my legs, you better believe I won't be 'happy'.

Of course - sometimes 'wakeup' sex is best... but that's why it should probably be one of those things you do IN a relationship... where you can learn that kind of thing about each other... like whether or not someone WANTS to wake up to your advances.
Demented Hamsters
05-09-2006, 15:31
None. Do not ask further.
God, do I feel sorry for your g/f (Assuming you have one of course).
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:31
Also - here's an incredible thought! - maybe you get a bit of satisfaction out of the fact you're giving the person (I assume) you have deep feelings for, a real good time.
It's a combo of that and my obsession with penis, for me anyway. :p
Demented Hamsters
05-09-2006, 15:32
Of course - sometimes 'wakeup' sex is best... but that's why it should probably be one of those things you do IN a relationship
Can't say any of my ex-g/fs have appreciated waking to me humping their leg.
But there you go...
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:32
Yes. Sex is good. Especially if you do it right. (Or 'wrong'... which is sometimes even more 'right').

But, it is good when you consent. If I woke up with some random head between my legs, you better believe I won't be 'happy'.

Of course - sometimes 'wakeup' sex is best... but that's why it should probably be one of those things you do IN a relationship... where you can learn that kind of thing about each other... like whether or not someone WANTS to wake up to your advances.

exactly.
Khadgar
05-09-2006, 15:32
And since when do guys turn down a blowjob?

Gay, I don't want some nasty slut sucking on my dick. I sure as hell press charges, though I sincerely doubt anything would come of it.
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 15:33
God, do I feel sorry for your g/f (Assuming you have one of course).

HE gets none.

We both were talking about a third person here.

I get pleasure, a lot, from giving oral sex to both male and female counterparts. I do not have any kind of stable relationship, although
Wilgrove
05-09-2006, 15:34
exactly.


Also - here's an incredible thought! - maybe you get a bit of satisfaction out of the fact you're giving the person (I assume) you have deep feelings for, a real good time.

Well I wouldn't know...
Wilgrove
05-09-2006, 15:35
:rolleyes: you guys make me sick.

What? Hey if a random woman wants to give me a blowjob, then it's her choice. Just like it's my choice to either accept it or deny it.
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:35
Gay, I don't want some nasty slut sucking on my dick. I sure as hell press charges, though I sincerely doubt anything would come of it.


Depends on the country you're in and the local police force. Some take it very seriously. Especially as she could have given you some kinda virus. I read not that long ago about women being sued for having CONSENSUAL sex with people but withholding the fact they may have had a virus.

Incidentally, http://www.safehaven-uk.org/aftermath/myths.shtml#10 (Read last myth)
Aelosia
05-09-2006, 15:35
It's a combo of that and my obsession with penis, for me anyway. :p

*Nods* same here.

Also, regarding the "waking up" thing...

Sometimes you just do not realize "that" is going on, even if you don't passed out from drinking. I have been awaken to find pleasant surprises several times, and I didn't realize it until it was near the end. Of course, I never sleep in the same room with someone I am not interested in having intercourse with, so I have never classified it as..."forced".
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:37
What? Hey if a random woman wants to give me a blowjob, then it's her choice. Just like it's my choice to either accept it or deny it.


But if you're alseep, that choice would not be available and basically you'd be reduced to being treated like an object.
Wilgrove
05-09-2006, 15:41
But if you're alseep, that choice would not be available and basically you'd be reduced to being treated like an object.

True. Hmmm, wel I dunno now! I mean I never had a BJ much less sex, so I have no clue what I would do in this situation.
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:46
*Nods* same here.

Also, regarding the "waking up" thing...

Sometimes you just do not realize "that" is going on, even if you don't passed out from drinking. I have been awaken to find pleasant surprises several times, and I didn't realize it until it was near the end. Of course, I never sleep in the same room with someone I am not interested in having intercourse with, so I have never classified it as..."forced".

yeah, my husband and I had to quit having wake-up sex because apparently I can "wake-up" and do stuff but I don't remember it later. He felt like he was taking advantage of me, in fact I have been known to have hour long conversations with him and not remember it when I was "really awake".
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 15:47
Gay, I don't want some nasty slut sucking on my dick. I sure as hell press charges, though I sincerely doubt anything would come of it.

I already opined that perhaps he was gay. That would be plausible.
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:50
I already opined that perhaps he was gay. That would be plausible.

weren't you bitching the other day about your swinging activities and how you are discerning as to who you screw and you were annoyed that men would get pissed with you if you didn't "put out", how is it that you are afforded a choice of who to have sex with but this man is not?
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 15:51
yeah, my husband and I had to quit having wake-up sex because apparently I can "wake-up" and do stuff but I don't remember it later. He felt like he was taking advantage of me, in fact I have been known to have hour long conversations with him and not remember it when I was "really awake".

So - you could wake up, consent, and do all kinds of wrong, wrong things... and then not remember them later?

Interesting...

*files*
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:53
So - you could wake up, consent, and do all kinds of wrong, wrong things... and then not remember them later?

Interesting...

*files*
yeah, I didn't believe him at first, but then a few months back he recorded a whole hour long debate that we had at 4 am and I didn't remember any of it, in fact I probably wouldn't have even taken the side that I did had I been awake.

It's some sort of sleep disorder, I used to sleep walk as a child, now I can get up and clean house and not remember, it's not that cool, I mean I wake up to a clean house, but I feel like I have a hangover.
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 15:54
weren't you bitching the other day about your swinging activities and how you are discerning as to who you screw and you were annoyed that men would get pissed with you if you didn't "put out", how is it that you are afforded a choice of who to have sex with but this man is not?

I have never refused a no strings blowjob. I'm just not into having someone put something up my ass without my permission.
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:55
I already opined that perhaps he was gay. That would be plausible.

Or you could be really stupid. Equally plausible. But I'm not saying you are, cus the Bible says not to judge.
Multiland
05-09-2006, 15:56
yeah, I didn't believe him at first, but then a few months back he recorded a whole hour long debate that we had at 4 am and I didn't remember any of it, in fact I probably wouldn't have even taken the side that I did had I been awake.

It's some sort of sleep disorder, I used to sleep walk as a child, now I can get up and clean house and not remember, it's not that cool, I mean I wake up to a clean house, but I feel like I have a hangover.

Is there no medication or something you can get?
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:57
I have never refused a no strings blowjob. I'm just not into having someone put something up my ass without my permission.

you haven't taken the time to check out their STI record? I seem to remember you talking about having to have proof of a clean test. You would just let someone off the street put your penis in their mouth? what if they had HIV?
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 15:57
you haven't taken the time to check out their STI record? I seem to remember you talking about having to have proof of a clean test. You would just let someone off the street put your penis in their mouth? what if they had HIV?

I'm in a private club full of tested people when I get the offers.
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 15:58
I have never refused a no strings blowjob. I'm just not into having someone put something up my ass without my permission.

I've refused a number of them.

Your argument with the man in the article, then... seems to be that you find him too discriminating in where he wants his genitals?
Lroon
05-09-2006, 15:58
I'm in a private club full of tested people when I get the offers.

So, different situation than this guy, even if we leave aside the fact that you're different people.
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 15:58
Is there no medication or something you can get?

yeah, but it didn't fit into my current life schedule, and the side effects suck, I would sleep, for like 10 hours and then when I was awake I couldn't function, couldn't think, couldn't remember anything.
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 15:59
yeah, but it didn't fit into my current life schedule, and the side effects suck, I would sleep, for like 10 hours and then when I was awake I couldn't function, couldn't think, couldn't remember anything.

Plus - you have the 'upside'... which is that 'someone else' does your housework. :)
Smunkeeville
05-09-2006, 16:00
I'm in a private club full of tested people when I get the offers.

and this guy had a random woman with her mouth on his penis.

that's not the same situation at all.
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 16:09
I'm in a private club full of tested people when I get the offers.

So... you've never been offered 'no strings' blowjobs outside of this 'protected' collective?
Deep Kimchi
05-09-2006, 17:01
So... you've never been offered 'no strings' blowjobs outside of this 'protected' collective?

Nope. People don't seem to want to stick random cocks in their mouths at the same ferocious rate when we're outside of the club.
Grave_n_idle
05-09-2006, 17:07
Nope. People don't seem to want to stick random cocks in their mouths at the same ferocious rate when we're outside of the club.

At the same rate... or at all?

I've been 'offered' in nightclubs and other entertainment venues. I refuse to believe I'm that damn pretty that this doesn't happen to other people?
Gravlen
05-09-2006, 20:29
Rape is rape, regardless of the looks of the rapist and the pleasure of the raped. It was not consentual, and the guy felt violated. End of story.

I could ask why I don't see the same people that's most in favour of castration by blunt instruments of male rapists aren't speaking out in favour of a similarly horrible punishment ("Break her jaws! That'll teach her!") when it's a female rapist, nor why suddenly it's something the raped should accept and enjoy, but I don't really want to know...
Tharlia
06-09-2006, 17:39
*whistles*

"TAXI!!

To Norway my good man, and step on it!"
Myrmidonisia
06-09-2006, 18:02
I'm also wondering what kind of men live in Norway who would "not want" a freebie. It did occur to me that perhaps she was not very good at it, or perhaps he was gay and offended by opening his eyes and realizing it was a woman.

I will now seek passage to Norway where they are at least enlightened enough to recognize that women should pay for the privilege of fellating us.
I think there is some serious mental illness involved on the part of the 'victim'. I still don't understand what part of this was bad.
Cybach
06-09-2006, 18:08
Well to add other scenarios.

Perhaps he repeatedly said no to her advances the night before, not being interested in her and instead in another girl, or perhaps he already had a girlfriend. So he would feel by not sticking with the refusal he was violated and downright pissed.

Or they had a history, they had something going, they quit, she hung on to it. So he is out partying, and the ex- he broke up with and never wants to see again for some reason (cheating, stealing, etc..) not only stalked him but is giving him head while he is out from a night of booze.

Or he was homosexual.

Or he simply hated the girl, while she had an obsession/crush on him.



Anyway something about her must have been (barring homosexuality) for him to behave so extreme. Or she was a complete stranger he never seen before in his life.
Multiland
11-09-2006, 20:27
I think there is some serious mental illness involved on the part of the 'victim'. I still don't understand what part of this was bad.

Then there must be a mental illness in you. Imagine getting raped by a guy... would you understand the meaning of "felt violated" then?

The guy felt violated. What's not to understand? A person was RAPED by another person.
Dempublicents1
11-09-2006, 20:33
I think there is some serious mental illness involved on the part of the 'victim'. I still don't understand what part of this was bad.

You think it is a mental illness to want only consensual sexual relations, and to not want to be raped?

Pretty much everyone I know is "mentally ill", then.


Anyway something about her must have been (barring homosexuality) for him to behave so extreme. Or she was a complete stranger he never seen before in his life.

Turn it around. Suppose a woman woke up and a random man had removed her clothing (or at least unfastened it) and was giving her oral sex. Would something have to be wrong with her to have him prosecuted?
Ice Hockey Players
11-09-2006, 20:33
I think there is some serious mental illness involved on the part of the 'victim'. I still don't understand what part of this was bad.

He didn't want it. He was passed out. She did it anyway. Say what you will; that's a violation. If a guy were giving head to an unconscious woman, we would be calling for his head. It's just the continued stereotype that all men love sex no matter how they can get it. Perhaps he was asexual and the erection was just a physical reaction to...whatever. All I know is that, if I woke up to someone giving me a hummer, I would never allow anyone else to do it to me as long as I lived. Frankly, it's taken far less than that to decide I don't like the idea of receiving head from anyone.
Poliwanacraca
11-09-2006, 20:57
And since when do guys turn down a blowjob?

*sigh* Right. Men are all sex-crazed horndogs who want nothing more than to screw every single woman they meet. Or maybe, just maybe, inane stereotypes don't actually describe every single person in the world accurately.

I applaud the victim for sticking up for himself even though he must have known that a lot of people would mock him for it. Rape is rape, no matter what genders are involved.
Vodka-stonia
24-09-2006, 22:39
That guy was crazy! WHAT SANE PERSON WOULD SUE SOMEONE FOR GIVING THEM FELLATIO?
Multiland
28-09-2006, 23:29
That guy was crazy! WHAT SANE PERSON WOULD SUE SOMEONE FOR GIVING THEM FELLATIO?

No, the guy was perfectly sane to have someone arrested (in ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW), for BREAKING THE LAW, by doing SOMETHING WHICH ABUSED HIS PERSONAL SPACE and VIOLATED HIM.

The woman didn't give him fellatio - she forced a sexual act upon another person, invading their privacy, their space, and their body; things which NOBODY has any right to do.

He was abused. He felt violated. He had the perpetrator punished. END OF FUCKING STORY (except to people who need to go back to grade/primary school)