NationStates Jolt Archive

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Fuck, How could I forget the Dead Kennedys

I will tentatively nominate "New Hope For the Wretched" by the Plasmatics.

Walk Among Us.

Best example of American Punk.



Umm..Why no, "Nevermind the Bollocks..." Sex Pistols?

JawBreaker Unfun

Unfun is no second side of Bivouac, heck, it ain't even anywhere close to on a par with Etc., nevermind Twenty Four Hour Revenge Therapy. Unfun was the sound of a band desperately scrabbling for the big time and clawing out for mainstream acceptance.

I was lucky enough to see Jawbreaker twice - shortly before and shortly after the throat operation. To tell the honest truth I think I prefered the vocals when they sounded more like Frankie Stubbs. But hey, what a band.

I cast my vote to Potemkin City Limits by Propagandhi. I'm hardly a punk purist. Actually, good band from my area called Forefold. Check them out if you get the chance, fairly unique style.

Umm..Why no, "Nevermind the Bollocks..." Sex Pistols?

Why? Because it is about 60% filler, I would guess. Them tracks which try to be the Stooges or the Dolls just drag down the more knowing hook-laden tunes.

Fuck, How could I forget the Dead Kennedys

You have one of them, so i'll forgive you. :p

Out of the list, Inflammable Material. Out of everything? Not got a clue.

Why? Because it is about 60% filler, I would guess. Them tracks which try to be the Stooges or the Dolls just drag down the more knowing hook-laden tunes.

Yet, you cant deny the impact they had on Punk.

Umm..Why no, "Nevermind the Bollocks..." Sex Pistols?

Nevermind them, why no:
"London Calling" (The Clash)
"Raw Power" (Iggy & the Stooges)
"Singles Going Steady" (Buzzcocks) <--though I'd accept this as more newwave than old skool punk
"Machine gun etiquette" (Damned)
"AK79" (various NZ punk bands)

"Machine gun etiquette" (Damned)Ah, yes. I can say that that's the best British punk album...not sure if it's the best overall, though.

Yet, you cant deny the impact they had on Punk.

Certainly not, but as an LP their offering is as patchy an affair as a random LP by their other major influence - Hawkwind. They may have been much more of a catalyst* and an influence than, ooh - for example The Slits, but Never Mind The Bollocks... can't hold a candle to Cut. I could list tens of other punk/hardcore LPs which I consider to be much more focused and musically successful ventures than the Sex Pistol's initial offering.



* technically they were burnt up in the process, so I guess they weren't actually a catalyst.

Nevermind them, why no:
"London Calling" (The Clash)
"Raw Power" (Iggy & the Stooges)


Becuase If I were to get technical, I would call those albums, (and bands) Proto-Punk.

Although, "The Who" could be considered proto-punk too, in that regard.

I'd also rate Everything Went Black far above Damaged. Getting Rollins to join the band was a bad idea in my opinion. I guess it counts more as a compilation though. Maybe this explains why Minor Threat ain't on the list.

The Clash self titled

The original UK version or the bizarre US version?

I always thought of Minor threat as more of a hardcore band

I always thought of Minor threat as more of a hardcore bandHardcore is a form of punk. (Hardcore Punk)

Becuase If I were to get technical, I would call those albums, (and bands) Proto-Punk.

Although, "The Who" could be considered proto-punk too, in that regard.

Once we let Raw Power and similar proto-punk onto the list we find that we also need to include the Pebbles compilations in the running, and much of the competition is thusly beat before they leave the starting gates.

Anyhoo, once again Raw Power for all its highlights is let down by its slower tunes.

I always thought of Minor threat as more of a hardcore band

* checks your initial list *

So, you consider Jawbreaker to fall on the punk side of the line, rather than the hardcore one? Pourquoi?

Once we let Raw Power and similar proto-punk onto the list we find that we also need to include the Pebbles compilations in the running, and much of the competition is thusly beat before they leave the starting gates.

Anyhoo, once again Raw Power for all its highlights is let down by its slower tunes.

wich brings us to the same problems we have with "Best Metal Band" threads.

The over-classifications.

Death, doom, power, etc....

Vs.

"Hardcore", Goth Punk, Nu-Punk.....too many, and frankly annoying.

Like, I dont care what class of punk the Misfits fall into, its punk..and I like it.
What else do I need?

Like, I dont care what class of punk the Misfits fall into, its punk..and I like it.
What else do I need?

A bottle of white cider, a devil-lock* and a skull tee-shirt?


* or in the light of their current drummer's complex about his encroaching baldness - a baseballcap you NEVER EVER take off.

live fast dierrhea by the vandals:upyours:

Like, I dont care what class of punk the Misfits fall into, its punk..and I like it.
What else do I need?

Well, to cite a personal example, I dislike the vast majority of power metal i've heard, so it helps me steer clear of it.

Becuase If I were to get technical, I would call those albums, (and bands) Proto-Punk.

How can London calling - an album released in 1981, so 5 years after the UK punk explosion - be considered 'proto-punk'?
I think you mean psuedo-punk or hybrid-punk, as quite a few songs were more ska than punk.

A bottle of white cider, a devil-lock and a skull tee-shirt?

Well, dont have the cider, or the devil-lock, but Im covered in the Skull T-shirt department.

*metal fist*

A bottle of white cider, a devil-lock* and a skull tee-shirt?

You forgot the all-important punk-sneer.

How can London calling - an album released in 1981, so 5 years after the UK punk explosion - be considered 'proto-punk'?

I must have assumed it was released earlier.

I must have assumed it was released earlier.

Given how similar it is in sound in places to The 101'ers an argument can be made that it was essentially a proto-punk album delayed in the making.

Well, to cite a personal example, I dislike the vast majority of power metal i've heard, so it helps me steer clear of it.

Same here, but then again, many people consider Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden to be Power Metal, and I like those two bands.

So, its really up to the listener.

Like those who say that Black Sabbath are/were "Doom Metal".

Naah....when they where doing what they did, it wasnt called anything, until they did it.

Same here, but then again, many people consider Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden to be Power Metal, and I like those two bands.

So, its really up to the listener.

Yeah, but I generally can't be bothered looking for diamonds in the rough.

Like those who say that Black Sabbath are/were "Doom Metal".

Naah....when they where doing what they did, it wasnt called anything, until they did it.

That's right. I said something similiar in another thread yesterday...although certain songs of theirs might qualify.

Yeah, but I generally can't be bothered looking for diamonds in the rough.

Me either, but sometimes I get pleasantly surprised.

I found Astroqueen that way.

(theyre not Power-Metal).



That's right. I said something similiar in another thread yesterday...although certain songs of theirs might qualify.

Absolutely.

(Hand of Doom, anyone?)

But they defined the entire Genre, as much as anyone else did, and more than most, so in effect, they transcend it.

I'ma go with 311- From Chaos. And those guys put on the best concert I've ever been to.

Why? Because it is about 60% filler, I would guess. Them tracks which try to be the Stooges or the Dolls just drag down the more knowing hook-laden tunes.

60% filler? You're fucking with us, right?

Me either, but sometimes I get pleasantly surprised.

I found Astroqueen that way.

(theyre not Power-Metal).

I found Astroqueen because I like a lot of stoner metal. :p

Absolutely.

(Hand of Doom, anyone?)

Despite the name of that one, it wasn't really what I was thinking of, since it's probably too..."bright". - In my opinion, "Black Sabbath" or "Electric Funeral" would be the ones, if anything.

(Although the moniker "Doom metal" is equally said to come from Candlemass' first album, Epicus Doomicus Metallicus.)

60% filler? You're fucking with us, right?

Nope, In my opinion - No Feelings, Liar, Problems, Seventeen, Submission, New York and EMI all count as filler. They are either rehashes of tricks they use better elsewhere, or just half-baked dirges based on very slight ideas. Seven out of twelve: yeah, that's as near to 60% as is worth calculating.

What about the Ramones' debut? Come on. That was better than Rocket To Russia.

So many bands and albums missed, nevermind eh.
Also 'all mod cons' is miles better than 'setting sons'

Also 'all mod cons' is miles better than 'setting sons'

Personally I prefer In The City to either of them. The high speed raucous rhythm and blues of the first LP beats their later more tuneful pop stylings as far as I'm concerned. On the first LP they didn't sound like they were trying to be consciously retro, as they did later in the career, instead they just sounded like a bunch of young lads knocking out some favourite covers.

Much as I love Arthur, or The Decline And Fall Of The British Empire, Setting Sons justs seems far too much in its debt and is overshadowed by it.

Fuck, How could I forget the Dead Kennedys

I ain't choosing, but hell son, ya'll did fuck up by excluding the DKs.... :D

Of those - Inflamible Materials.

Of all Punk albums...

Probably 13 Songs by Fugazi or In My Eyes by Minor Threat

X-Ray Spex Germfree Adolescents

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As Quantick famously observed: 'pop will eat itself'.

As I'm Northern Irish, it's my duty to vote for Inflammable Material.

Asde from the fact that it's a really good albm, obviously...