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Nudists creating problems (?) in Vermont

Daistallia 2104
04-09-2006, 05:35
Nude Teens Raising Eyebrows in Vermont

By LISA RATHKE
Associated Press Writer


BRATTLEBORO, Vt. (AP) -- Nudity isn't new here. Usually it bares itself in more subtle places than a downtown parking lot, though.

This summer, a group of teenagers has disrobed near restaurants, bookstores and galleries, igniting a debate about whether this bohemian southern Vermont town should ban a practice that has been tolerated until now.

"Brattleboro tends to be a laid-back town and pretty accepting of the unusual, but this is really pushing limits," said Police Chief John Martin.

"It's clearly to outrage people, it's clearly rebelliousness," he said.



By most accounts, the stripping started on a whim in early summer when a young woman sat naked on a park bench, Martin said. Then another woman started taking her shirt off downtown.

A music festival promoting nudity and rebelliousness set up in May in a downtown parking lot and attracted nude hula hoopers, Martin said.

Last month, a half dozen young people bared their bodies in the lot, encircled by the backs of bookstores, coffee shops and restaurants.

They say they're just exercising their rights.

"It's just an act of freedom," said 19-year-old Adhi Palar. "We're just doing so because we can." Palar and the others "do not consider nakedness to be innately sexual or rude and it shouldn't be confined to that," he said.

All the bare skin has raised eyebrows, even in a town that has seen clothing-optional swimming holes, streakers and an event known as "Breast Fest," which featured women parading topless.

To some, a bunch of teenagers going au naturel is just harmless rebellion.

"To most people, it's not a big deal," said Catherine Kauffman, 57, who calls Brattleboro "a don't-take-away-too-many-of-my-rights kind of town."

Rich Geidel, 50, co-owner of Everyone's Books, said the parking lot may not be the most appropriate place for nudity, but he said he's not concerned.

"We don't think it's bad for kids to hang out," he said. "As long as people are polite, don't block the entrance, we don't ask them to leave."

To others, it's disturbing. Some worry it could drive business away from downtown.

"It's a bad image for Brattleboro," said Ozzie Kocaoglu, 43, who owns Sundried Tomato restaurant at the far end of the parking lot, which has long been a teen hangout.

Vermont has no state laws against public nudity, but communities can pass their own rules banning it.

At least eight cities and towns have passed anti-nudity ordinances, according to the Vermont League of Cities and Towns.

So far, Brattleboro has chosen not to, but the teenagers' dress-down may change that. The town is researching what other communities have done to curb their nakedness.

The 50,000-member American Association for Nude Recreation espouses nude recreation in appropriate places, but doesn't use nudity "for social commentary, or rebelliousness or an act of civil disobedience," said Mary Jane Kolassa.

Baring it all as a form of social protest is growing.

This summer, nude bicyclists rode through Burlington to protest the country's reliance on oil, part of an event known as the World Naked Bike Ride. Elsewhere, nudity has been used to oppose the Iraq war and the treatment of animals.

In Vermont, voters in another town shot down a ban on nudity after two public votes.

Prompted by complaints about nudity and sexual activity at a swimming hole, the Wilmington select board passed an anti-nudity ordinance in 2002. But supporters of the freedom to skinny dip rejected the ban.

"There were some ugly moments in the debate with some name calling and lots of good healthy debate about reasonable rights and responsibility under those rights," said Town Clerk Susie Haughwout. Officials weren't sure how they would have enforced a ban and to what extent, she said.

For now Brattleboro is weighing its options. And waiting for summer to turn to fall.

"As soon as winter comes, there won't be a story anymore," said Town Clerk Annette Cappy.

So what do you think?

And is LG now moving to Vermont?
Wilgrove
04-09-2006, 05:37
Dammit, these things never happen here! :(
NERVUN
04-09-2006, 05:44
I'm amazed at their courage, I mean, I've seen the temp record of Vermont and there's only a little tinny bit of time I'd consider going without clothes as to keep various parts of my anatomy from turning blue and falling off.
Patra Caesar
04-09-2006, 05:49
Is it too much to ask for a picture? :D
The Nazz
04-09-2006, 05:55
I'm amazed at their courage, I mean, I've seen the temp record of Vermont and there's only a little tinny bit of time I'd consider going without clothes as to keep various parts of my anatomy from turning blue and falling off.

And that must be this time of year.

My teenage daughter was talking about Vermont for college. I'm starting to get worried now.
NERVUN
04-09-2006, 05:58
And that must be this time of year.

My teenage daughter was talking about Vermont for college. I'm starting to get worried now.
Why? I heard nudism was a liberating experiance?

Besides, I doubt any college will let you attend IN the nude. Parties and walking around campus, yes, but actual classes? Naw... :D
Wilgrove
04-09-2006, 05:59
And that must be this time of year.

My teenage daughter was talking about Vermont for college. I'm starting to get worried now.

Yea, but comon, you can't control her all of your life, sooner or later you're going to have to let her do stupid stuff. It's the only way they'll learn.
The Nazz
04-09-2006, 05:59
Why? I heard nudism was a liberating experiance?

Besides, I doubt any college will let you attend IN the nude. Parties and walking around campus, yes, but actual classes? Naw... :D

UC-Berkeley used to, but after Naked Guy graduated, they changed their rules.
Patra Caesar
04-09-2006, 06:00
Why? I heard nudism was a liberating experiance?

Besides, I doubt any college will let you attend IN the nude. Parties and walking around campus, yes, but actual classes? Raw... :D

:D
The Nazz
04-09-2006, 06:01
Yea, but comon, you can't control her all of your life, sooner or later you're going to have to let her do stupid stuff. It's the only way they'll learn.

I was being facetious. If she wants to be a nudist, and she's of age, that's her call.
NERVUN
04-09-2006, 06:03
UC-Berkeley used to, but after Naked Guy graduated, they changed their rules.
Berkeley doesn't count, that's the college with co-ed bathrooms. ;)
Wilgrove
04-09-2006, 06:04
I was being facetious. If she wants to be a nudist, and she's of age, that's her call.

Cool.
The Nazz
04-09-2006, 06:05
Berkeley doesn't count, that's the college with co-ed bathrooms. ;)

And just across the Bay in San Francisco, there was Naked Yoga Guy, who would do naked yoga (shock!) out near Fisherman's Wharf, and since there was nothing sexual about what he was doing, the police couldn't stop him. They said it wasn't covered by any obscenity statute.

Of course, seeing nudity in the City is like seeing trees in the forest.
Wilgrove
04-09-2006, 06:06
And just across the Bay in San Francisco, there was Naked Yoga Guy, who would do naked yoga (shock!) out near Fisherman's Wharf, and since there was nothing sexual about what he was doing, the police couldn't stop him. They said it wasn't covered by any obscenity statute.

Of course, seeing nudity in the City is like seeing trees in the forest.

*moves to the city with a binouclers and popcorn*
NERVUN
04-09-2006, 06:06
And just across the Bay in San Francisco, there was Naked Yoga Guy, who would do naked yoga (shock!) out near Fisherman's Wharf, and since there was nothing sexual about what he was doing, the police couldn't stop him. They said it wasn't covered by any obscenity statute.

Of course, seeing nudity in the City is like seeing trees in the forest.
*blinks* In San Fran? God, that's as cold as Vermont! Brrr!
The Nazz
04-09-2006, 06:09
*blinks* In San Fran? God, that's as cold as Vermont! Brrr!

Nah. San Francisco almost never gets snow. It almost never gets hot either--the temp varies between about 55 and 75 most of the year.
Wilgrove
04-09-2006, 06:10
Nah. San Francisco almost never gets snow. It almost never gets hot either--the temp varies between about 55 and 75 most of the year.

Yea, I've been to San Fran about 7 times, you're right about that. However it does get windy and chilly near the waters.
NERVUN
04-09-2006, 06:14
Nah. San Francisco almost never gets snow. It almost never gets hot either--the temp varies between about 55 and 75 most of the year.
The coldest winter I ever experianced was the summer I spent in San Francisco-(not) Mark Twain

Ok, I'll stop teasing, my father's family lives in East Bay so SF is a place where I've been numorus times and around the water front it can get very nippy, which is usually a source of amuzement to those who have been to SF before and know to pack a jacket and those who have not and are turning blue in their t-shirts and shorts.
The Nazz
04-09-2006, 06:25
The coldest winter I ever experianced was the summer I spent in San Francisco-(not) Mark Twain

Ok, I'll stop teasing, my father's family lives in East Bay so SF is a place where I've been numorus times and around the water front it can get very nippy, which is usually a source of amuzement to those who have been to SF before and know to pack a jacket and those who have not and are turning blue in their t-shirts and shorts.

Yeah, I lived there for two years, and I learned very quickly to always bring a hoodie with you, because the weather changes from block to block sometimes.

And the funniest thing about the Sunset is that you'll never, ever see one there.
The Lone Alliance
04-09-2006, 07:25
There is no law saying that only women have to cover up the upper half of their bodies. Legally even with anti-nudity laws you can go around with nothing but shorts on, Male or Female.
Neo Undelia
04-09-2006, 07:44
Yea, but comon, you can't control her all of your life, sooner or later you're going to have to let her do stupid stuff. It's the only way they'll learn.

Intelligent people are capable of learning from other people’s mistakes.

On the subject of nudism, I don’t have a problem with the mature ones. It’s the sophomoric “flashers” and “streakers” that earn my ire. I don’t think those things should be illegal. I just think that they are marks of an underdeveloped person.
Boonytopia
04-09-2006, 10:12
Brattleboro sounds like the coolest town in the US! ;)