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Man denied travel in business class because he does not "look like a businessman"...

Aryavartha
03-09-2006, 23:02
Preposterous...to say the least. This is by Alitalia, the national carrier of Italy. But I think this particular incident is due to the stupidity of the local Indian manager type of Alitalia. Many "elite Indians" are notoriously "class conscious"..

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Caste%20system%20had%20a%20genetic%20impact?headline=Caste~system~had~a~genetic~impa ct
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Alitalia tells Delhi man he’s unfit to fly

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New Delhi, Sept. 3: In a startling and clear case of class bias, the Italian national airline Alitalia refused to allow a Delhi resident to fly business class to Milan, on his way to Brazil to attend an international conference, despite the fact that the passenger had a valid ticket and all his travel documents were in order. The reason: Santraj Maurya, who made a living out of collecting waste on Delhi’s streets, and whose streetsmart leadership skills had attracted the attention of an NGO which was sending him to attend a conference on the impact of privatisation on waste pickers worldwide, did not — in the airline’s view — fit the profile of a businessman or an international traveller. Santraj’s dreams of travelling to Brazil came crashing when he arrived at Delhi’s Indira Gandhi International Airport on August 22 to check in for the Alitalia flight to Milan.

A delay in getting his visa had resulted in no economy class tickets being available, but Chintan, the Delhi NGO which was sending him to the conference, went ahead and bought him a business class ticket. The seminar at Belo Horizonte in Brazil was too good an opportunity for Santraj, and the NGO did not want to spoil his chances. On reaching the airline’s check-in counter at the airport, he was asked for his passport and tickets. When Santraj produced the documents, he was questioned on how he had managed to get a business class ticket.

“There was a gentleman named Nishant Sood who was on duty at that time. He asked me why I wanted to go to Brazil, and I explained it was for the conference. Then he told me that I would not be allowed to travel business class because I did not look like a businessman. :headbang: I was told I should refund the money for the ticket and go home,” recalls Santraj. The story does not end there. When Santraj tried to convince the airline officials that they could check with Chintan’s coordinator Lavanya Marla about his credentials, the request was turned down. “They told me that I should leave the airport and asked a lady to come and take me out. She wrote my name down in a register and literally forced me out,” added Santraj.

Chintan says that such behaviour by the airline was completely unacceptable. “If the airline had given us a logical reason why this man was being turned out, we would have understood. Alitalia officials were rude and reluctant to talk. Even after I explained the matter to them, they refused to hear us. The point is: if there is a policy on who they want to fly and who they don’t, why is this not made public,” asked Ms Marla. When contacted, Alitalia’s Nishant Sood refused to come on the phone line, and the staff at the airline’s IGI counter said they were not authorised to comment on the matter.

Despite repeated attempts by this newspaper to obtain Alitalia’s account of what had happened, no senior airline official could be contacted. For Chintan, an NGO which is involved with the lives of 10,000 waste recyclers in and around Delhi, the fight is far from over. It is considering taking legal action against Alitalia, and wants the airline to make public its code of who can fly and who cannot. Santraj, the man in the middle, has, however, lost hope. “What does it matter what they say now. The conference is over anyway. I guess it was just not in my destiny. So let it be that way,” he said.
Klitvilia
03-09-2006, 23:14
This is almost as bad (possibly worse, as they can't even use the feeble excuse of 'security') as denying service to that man for having a shirt with arabic on it, or those men that 'sounded like they were speaking arabic'. I mean, come on, India is now a modernized county, It's not like its the second century BC, where it was against the law to perform services to members of a lower caste.
Terecia
03-09-2006, 23:15
Absolutely Pathetic. Unfortuneately, it's too true that people judge you on how you dress.
Aryavartha
03-09-2006, 23:19
I mean, come on, India is now a modernized county, It's not like its the second century BC, where it was against the law to perform services to members of a lower caste.

I don't think this is a caste issue. In the cities, caste is a non-issue. You are judged more by how much money you have/flaunt. This is a "class" issue as in poorly dressed = low class.
King Arthur the Great
03-09-2006, 23:19
Well, I thank God I'll never have to patronize that airline. They didn't even bother with calling in to see if the guy was who he said he was, and why he was going to a conference. Scumbags!
Wilgrove
03-09-2006, 23:32
This is why I am a Private Pilot and fly myself.
Heikoku
03-09-2006, 23:36
This is why I am a Private Pilot and fly myself.

Really? You took up pilot school and bought an airplane for that? :p
Heikoku
03-09-2006, 23:38
I live in Belo Horizonte, the city this guy was supposed to come to. Nice place, too, too bad he couldn't come.

On a more serious note, Alitalia should get its ass sued and should have to pay a LOT for what they did to the career of this man. It's high time morons stopped calling shots!
Londim
03-09-2006, 23:44
Idiots. So he didn't look like a businessman. Thats no reason to stop him flying business class
Philosopy
03-09-2006, 23:46
I don't blame them. The people in Business Class paid extra money to escape the tramps, not be joined by them.
The sons of tarsonis
03-09-2006, 23:46
sigh, if only it wasnt in America, this is one case i would actually support the ACLU in. The airline should have its leaders fired and run out and tarred and feathered.
The sons of tarsonis
03-09-2006, 23:54
I don't blame them. The people in Business Class paid extra money to escape the tramps, not be joined by them.


Well he payed for that too. Shut up you fricken elitest.
Laerod
04-09-2006, 00:08
Since when did looking like a business man have any relation to business class? I thought "Business class" and "Economy class" were just PC renamings of "1st class" and "2nd class"...
Catalinafleur
04-09-2006, 00:14
I don't blame them. The people in Business Class paid extra money to escape the tramps, not be joined by them.

I thought they paid extra money to get larger seats and higher quality food. My bad. Besides, they not only didn't allow him to sit in the business class, they made him leave and potentially destroyed his growing career, and for what? To seperate the rich from the poor? All the rich are are money grubbing good for nothings that happen to have the fortune of having a high amount of money to begin with. They could learn something from talking to someone who's actually had to put effort into something in their lives.
Rubiconic Crossings
04-09-2006, 00:21
I suspect Alitalia will be looking for a new station manager!
Katganistan
04-09-2006, 00:39
I don't blame them. The people in Business Class paid extra money to escape the tramps, not be joined by them.

If he had a ticket for which the extra money was paid, he is not a tramp.
Klitvilia
04-09-2006, 01:05
I don't think this is a caste issue. In the cities, caste is a non-issue. You are judged more by how much money you have/flaunt. This is a "class" issue as in poorly dressed = low class.

The caste system was type of heriditary class system where members of one caste were nearly totally segregated from people of other castes. It seems today that though the caste system is officially no longer condoned, there is still an us vs. them mentality, and thus a tendency to judge, because many people in India live or lived in rural areas, where the caste system is still pretty much the norm.
Phoenexus
04-09-2006, 01:48
Send in the lawyers and make this airline suffer for their elitism. Since it sounds like employees at every level had a part in this, it is definitely a company matter. If they want to take a stand for some kind of caste system (or whatever this was), they'd best put their resources behind their principles.
Dododecapod
04-09-2006, 01:49
Alitalia now needs to show what it's made of - the only valid action is to fire the manager responsible, and publicly apologize.
Heikoku
04-09-2006, 02:04
I don't blame them. The people in Business Class paid extra money to escape the tramps, not be joined by them.

Mmm... Let us have some fun and expand this line of thought a bit, shall we?

It results in funny thoughts such as:

"We came to America so we wouldn't be surrounded by black people, we don't like them."

Then

"We keep them Jews in the concentration camps so we don't have to share with them this great nation we've built."

And so on, and so forth.

Nice to know where you stand.
Teh_pantless_hero
04-09-2006, 02:09
Since when did looking like a business man have any relation to business class? I thought "Business class" and "Economy class" were just PC renamings of "1st class" and "2nd class"...

No.
Business class is just an illusionarily improved economy class with a different name. Business class has the recommended number and size of seats per aisle instead of as many tiny seats as can be fit into the section to viably seat the cows they herd back there.