NationStates Jolt Archive

Call it coming of age, or just perhaps finally opening my eyes, but I now realize that the world isn't the pretty place I once imagined. Before, I thought that the world had a chance for peace, or at least to stop all the major violence. i thought perhaps in the end, maybe deep down everyone is a good person, just blinded by the evils of society around them. Perhaps that is still right, perhaps everyone starts off good. I mean, is there really a truly evil person?

What brought about this change? Well two things. The first step in this change was this website I came across the other day. It was a site on Spiritual Satanism, the sect that actually worships Satan, Lucifer, the devil, whomever, as their God. Well, I read most of the site and it was clear to me that these people will radically anti-christian, to the point where they spewed open hatred towards any christian alive. There were calls for the extermination of the Christian faith, and ever christian document and person. It makes me nauseous to think that these people would hate me just because I wear a label, the label identifying me as a Christian. What if I were some really good person, that could help someone out? Do I still deserve to be hated? It bothers me to think that people will hate based on labels.

The second part of my conversion to this state of realistic thought, was this video I saw yesterday. Even as I type this, it brings back the tears to my eyes. It was a video of an insurgent in Iraq loading a sniper rifle with 9 bullets and then proceeds to go around and pick off nine american soldiers. At the end of the film, it show a sniper attack victim, with literally half of his face blown away, and this young man was still alive. He has no nose, mouth, jaw or cheeks. it was all gone. This young man's life was changed, because of the hate of another. Now I know that happens to all sides, but this was the side i decided to identify with in this thread. At the very end of the film, it showed the insurgent in American Fatigues, with the soldier bound and blind folded, and the man pulls out a knife, and cuts his throat, and the mans begins to bleed to death. He is still alive for a few seconds jumping around, trying to breath, and at the same time his heart is pumping out more blood. In the last few seconds of his life, the insurgent proceeds to cut off the soldier's head. He held it up like a trophy then threw it in the ground. Now, i don't justify the killing of anyone, but there is a more acceptable way to kill people, and that is in a battle of somesort, not just killing a prisoner, defenseless like that. What could motivate anyone to do that? What could fill a man's heart with so much rage and anger that he could just kill a man, as if he was killing a beast? What could make a man hold that head high like it was a prize, and then throw it into the dirt? Why is this ideology of hate being spread to everyne in that society, even to little children? If thats what our children have forward too in the future, then I am very scared for them. It is so disheartening to know that men can be so cruel to each other. So cruel as to kill a man in cold blood, or to drop a bomb on children, or to sign the death warrants for millions of people that are "different"...How did we let the world get this way?

And do you think that calling people "insurgents" is going to help amend the problem?

We're all humans regardless of race, creed, and sex....so if you want some form of respect you need to treat others with it as well.

And moveover, that is war. I'm sure if we were sitting on the other side, we'd see the same things from a different standpoint and not only that but our side doing the same things. Part of war is incrimination and degradation. You can't handle it, don't think about it because there really is nothing you can do to change it.

And hatred is a complex psychological concept that is spawned from many things. Want to know more, pick up a psy book and enjoy! ;)


Well, that was just my ranting, but I hope you have realized in all of this that despite how bad you think it is, there is worse in the world and there is nothing that can really be done about it. Human nature itself does not truly change.....afterall, even after our "refinements" we are still dominated by instinct.

one fine day that butthole will get his

and the 72 virgins hopefully will be pigs

one fine day that butthole will get his

and the 72 virgins hopefully will be pigs

I'm not worried about anyone getting anything. I am worried at the rise in hate around the world. People hating each other over nothing. Life is too short to carry a grudge.

Zilam, this is a question that has plagued many (myself included) over the years, and, to date, there are either no answers, or too many answers to be conclusive. It just seems that humanity has a propensity towards agression and destruction.

Other questions:
- What if JFK didn't die?
- Did we really land on the moon?
- Did Hitler really commit suicide?
- Why do fools fall in love?
- Why do assholes seeming live forever?

And what do you mean by "men". Are you saying women can't hate? BELIEVE me, they can hate! [/obligatory sarcasm]

Zilam, this is a question that has plagued many (myself included) over the years, and, to date, there are either no answers, or too many answers to be conclusive. It just seems that humanity has a propensity towards agression and destruction.

Other questions:
- What if JFK didn't die?
- Did we really land on the moon?
- Did Hitler really commit suicide?
- Why do fools fall in love?
- Why do assholes seeming live forever?

And what do you mean by "men". Are you saying women can't hate? BELIEVE me, they can hate! [/obligatory sarcasm]



men= cheap gender biased refrence to humankind, mankind or whatever you want to call it.

Well, first of all being a Satanist does not make you bad. It is simply another religion that has spread around the world, and no matter how much you refuse to acknowledge it as one, it's still there. The website you came across is no different to hundreds of radical Christian ones that advocate the killing of Blacks, Jews and Gays. How can the Satanist one be any worse, when the Christian one is advocating killings of people because of attributes they have but had no control over?

Secondly, those kind of war crimes have been present ever since the dawn of man. As unfortunate as it is, hatred and anger are a normal part of human emotions, and as such people act upon such emotions. And they are being committed on both sides, mind you, not just "The Insurgents". It's just that only one side is being widely publicized in the media, for obvious reasons.

But to answer your question is impossible. It's like asking What the meaning of life is, there is no one answer. There are countless, and countless more are being created with each pull of the trigger.

The world is a cesspool. The best we can do is wade through and try not to succumb to bitterness.

men= cheap gender biased refrence to humankind, mankind or whatever you want to call it.

I know, I'm just a visicious bastard, please don't hold it against me. :D

Some people think its fun to do Sodoku puzzles in the newspaper, and some people think its fun to stab each other to death with pieces of broken glass. That's just the way life works, so try not to get too much blood on your shoes and avoid looking at those things you can't stomach.
I'd also posit that a world without hate or violence would be a very dull and pointless place.

Some people think its fun to do Sodoku puzzles in the newspaper, and some people think its fun to stab each other to death with pieces of broken glass. That's just the way life works, so try not to get too much blood on your shoes and avoid looking at those things you can't stomach.

Except Sokoku is fun and creative, while murder is mean and...not...nice...

I'd also posit that a world without hate or violence would be a very dull and pointless place.

I guess we'd have far fewer movie and videogame genres...

Except Sokoku is fun and creative, while murder is mean and...not...nice...
One can be creative in their methods of execution, and the "fun" is subjective.
I guess we'd have far fewer movie and videogame genres...
We'd probably have none, most fiction either revolves around violence and strife or was created as a form of escapism from a world filled with violence and strife.

We'd probably have none, most fiction either revolves around violence and strife or was created as a form of escapism from a world filled with violence and strife.

Hmm...the man has a point for violence in the world...I thought I'd never see the day.

Well, according to Freud its because they want to have sex with their mothers.
Although...Im not really sure politicians have mothers. I think they spawn in large stone buildings.

Harmonia Mortus Redux;11632062']...Im not really sure politicians have mothers. I think they spawn in large stone buildings.

No, politicians are androids who have bullshit.exe programed into their positronic network in no less than five different stages before they are activated. And they run on Windows 98, which explains why some of them still think we're in the fifties.

I have to wonder about which is more monsterous: making a conscious decision to kill someone by cutting off their head or dropping bombs on a village without ever knowing who you killed?

Difference drive human beings to hate each other. The individual 'hates' those who are different to it in one or more aspects. Race, religion, wealth, height...name it.

Difference drive human beings to hate each other. The individual 'hates' those who are different to it in one or more aspects. Race, religion, wealth, height...name it.

Once again, I concur with you.

This is one of the reasons I hate religion. It just gives humanity more potential differences.

I have to wonder about which is more monsterous: making a conscious decision to kill someone by cutting off their head or dropping bombs on a village without ever knowing who you killed?

I'm reading on the incident in Srebrenica of 1995 right now. Bosnian Muslim vs. Serb, Serb vs. Bosnian Muslim, Dutch peacekeepers in the middle...all because of stupid little differences and history. Thousands of deaths. This isn't what God wants. WHY?

I'm reading on the incident in Srebrenica of 1995 right now. Bosnian Muslim vs. Serb, Serb vs. Bosnian Muslim, Dutch peacekeepers in the middle...all because of stupid little differences and history. Thousands of deaths. This isn't what God wants. WHY?

Interesting ironic that you invoke one of those divisors in a discussion about a conflict partially due to religion.

I mean, is there really a truly evil person?

Oh yes, indeed.

Its corny, but the Gump-like saying is true:

"Evil is, as evil does."

That means for all a mans good intentions, it is his actions that define him as a person.
You can wish someone all the good things in life, and yet, if you do nothing...its all wasted, isnt it?



Do I still deserve to be hated? It bothers me to think that people will hate based on labels.

It bothers me too, and yet, we all are guilty of it from, time to time.
I myself, have a hard time not instantly disliking a person, once I know he'she is a christian.
I know perfectly well that not all christians are self-righteous assholes, and that many are indeed good people, but I am human, and I have to force myself to remember that.


The second part of my conversion to this state of realistic thought, was this video I saw yesterday. ...snip.....

Now you see the dangers of modern religion.
Wether the person is Christian, Satanist, Muslim, or anything else, its fanaticism that makes it dangerous.
The zealotous belief that those who do not, or will not convert to your particular idealology, and therefore must somehow be punished is evil.

Christianity and Islam are the two worst ones for this these days, and far too many of thier followers get caught up in this.

Religion by itself is harmless, but add arrogance, and stupidity to it, and you have a recipe for inhumanity.

Man loves to hate. It's what separates us from the female of the species. It's a natural law in wild America.

Women hate too, they just usually keep quieter about it

I am sorry that you had to witness such things. I, however, have witnessed worse, before the age of 12... -sigh- The world is a cruel place, and the light at the end of the tunnel is really an infernal demon infested pit.

Don't blame the men for being assholes. Women get to elect the breeders every generation. They clearly appear to be choosing bullies and closet psychos, and letting the nice guys disappear from the gene pool.

One of the reasons for this is that any human will, by the laws of evolution, get away with exactly as much as they can, so the more malicious you can get away with being, the smarter/stronger/better people think you are. If they are allowed to, they will only be preocupied with their own needs. If they are hindered, they will kill the hinderer if possible. If not, they will trick it. If that's not possible, they will negotiate. If that's not possible, they will seek a mutually beneficial solution- they will be nice. If that's not possible they will serve it, and so forth. That's why if you repress people, and then are suddenly nice to them, they will kill you- it's not about reciprocation, it's about survival.

You see people shifting up and down this ladder all the time. It's instinctive. Only continual negative feedback, in the form of spankings, fines, and bombings, really does the trick, and if you do that, then people get on your ass for being hateful. So you're pretty much phukht.

Don't blame the men for being assholes. Women get to elect the breeders every generation. They clearly appear to be choosing bullies and closet psychos, and letting the nice guys disappear from the gene pool.

Why, of course. What do you think those dating games like 'hard to get' are for? And why do you think that, despite the fact that women always say they want to find a nice guy, most of them deem anyone who is nice 'just a friend'? Hard to get forces a man to disregard her opinion. She says no, despite her actual interest, to ensure that the only men she goes out with in the end are the ones who see her as a trophy to be won, an obstical to be dominated, and a will to be subverted through manipulation and various techniques to make her obedient.

In my opinion, the only way to fight this would be to stop with the riddles and quit with the games and actually give the nice guy a chance for a change. It isn't women's fault exactly, I don't believe most women know what they are doing, only acting as they think they're supposed to. They probably believe that they can get a nice, sweet guy in this fashion, but in the end that is irrelevant.

Why, of course. What do you think those dating games like 'hard to get' are for? And why do you think that, despite the fact that women always say they want to find a nice guy, most of them deem anyone who is nice 'just a friend'? Hard to get forces a man to disregard her opinion. She says no, despite her actual interest, to ensure that the only men she goes out with in the end are the ones who see her as a trophy to be won, an obstical to be dominated, and a will to be subverted through manipulation and various techniques to make her obedient.

In my opinion, the only way to fight this would be to stop with the riddles and quit with the games and actually give the nice guy a chance for a change. It isn't women's fault exactly, I don't believe most women know what they are doing, only acting as they think they're supposed to. They probably believe that they can get a nice, sweet guy in this fashion, but in the end that is irrelevant.

I think the evolutionary idea is that women try to mate with more dominant men, but _also_ curry favour with nice-guy men, as they make good fathers and reasonable providers. The ideal, in that situation, is for neither of the blokes to know which is the father, so both might sometimes help support the sprog - very beneficial arrangement for moter and child.

Meanwhile, the mother gets the benefits of having a kid with half her genes and half 'dominant-male' genes, meaning her half are that bit more likely to be carried on to another generation, combined as they are with the healthy, be big and act dominant male's genes, together with the occassional extra resources sent their way by those who think they're the father.

Or that's the idea, anyway. Evolved for one lifestyle, adopted another, that's our situation, they say :)

It bothers me to think that people will hate based on labels.
Using labels is bad, huh? Dehumanising the other side is terrible innit?
Done so on doesn't feel so bad when one hears of them being killed.

Well, out of interest, let's see how you described the Iraqis and the Americans in your next bit:
...a video of an insurgent in Iraq loading a sniper rifle with 9 bullets and then proceeds to go around and pick off nine american soldiers. At the end of the film, it show a sniper attack victim, with literally half of his face blown away, and this young man was still alive. He has no nose, mouth, jaw or cheeks. it was all gone. This young man's life was changed, because of the hate of another. Now I know that happens to all sides, but this was the side i decided to identify with in this thread. At the very end of the film, it showed the insurgent in American Fatigues, with the soldier bound and blind folded, and the man pulls out a knife, and cuts his throat, and the mans begins to bleed to death. He is still alive for a few seconds jumping around, trying to breath, and at the same time his heart is pumping out more blood. In the last few seconds of his life, the insurgent proceeds to cut off the soldier's head.
Iraqis:
Number of times you called them a man: 1
Number of times you called them an insurgent: 3
Number of times you used personal (or possesive) pronouns to describe them: 0
Americans:
Number of times you called them soldiers:2
Number of times you called them a man:1
Number of times you used the phrase 'young man':2
Number of times you called them victims: 1
Number of times you used personal (or possesive) pronouns to describe them: 6

Sorta interesting in a way.

The second part of my conversion to this state of realistic thought, was this video I saw yesterday. Even as I type this, it brings back the tears to my eyes. It was a video of an insurgent in Iraq loading a sniper rifle with 9 bullets and then proceeds to go around and pick off nine american soldiers. At the end of the film, it show a sniper attack victim, with literally half of his face blown away, and this young man was still alive. He has no nose, mouth, jaw or cheeks. it was all gone. This young man's life was changed, because of the hate of another. Now I know that happens to all sides, but this was the side i decided to identify with in this thread. At the very end of the film, it showed the insurgent in American Fatigues, with the soldier bound and blind folded, and the man pulls out a knife, and cuts his throat, and the mans begins to bleed to death. He is still alive for a few seconds jumping around, trying to breath, and at the same time his heart is pumping out more blood. In the last few seconds of his life, the insurgent proceeds to cut off the soldier's head. He held it up like a trophy then threw it in the ground. Now, i don't justify the killing of anyone, but there is a more acceptable way to kill people, and that is in a battle of somesort, not just killing a prisoner, defenseless like that. What could motivate anyone to do that? What could fill a man's heart with so much rage and anger that he could just kill a man, as if he was killing a beast? What could make a man hold that head high like it was a prize, and then throw it into the dirt? Why is this ideology of hate being spread to everyne in that society, even to little children? If thats what our children have forward too in the future, then I am very scared for them. It is so disheartening to know that men can be so cruel to each other. So cruel as to kill a man in cold blood, or to drop a bomb on children, or to sign the death warrants for millions of people that are "different"...How did we let the world get this way?
hey could you TG me a link to the video? thanks.