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There are things that we are willing to compromise our views on, for the sake of friendship, etc. However, there are a few things that we just absoutely flat out refuse to compromise on. What are they? For me it would have to be my religious beliefs and my Roman Catholic faith. I refuse to compromise any part of it and damn the consequences!

Stem cell research.

Good question. I have a couple of dealbreakers, but the biggest one, I'd have to say, is racism. I can't be friends with a racist, no matter what other good qualities he or she may have.

Sacrificing freedom for security (Freedom > Security). I have gotten myself into quite a few heated arguments for this.

I can't compromise any of my religious beliefs, but I do like t odiscuss them. I also can't compromise on gay marriage, stem cell research, or other social issues.

Good question. I have a couple of dealbreakers, but the biggest one, I'd have to say, is racism. I can't be friends with a racist, no matter what other good qualities he or she may have.Ditto. I even have a friend that believes all homosexuals should be killed, though she's got very liberal views on almost everything else.

If someone doesn't want to be friends with me because we disagree on something I don't want them as a friend. I don't see why I should change my opinions on anything for almost any reason.

Good question. I have a couple of dealbreakers, but the biggest one, I'd have to say, is racism. I can't be friends with a racist, no matter what other good qualities he or she may have.

Same here. Bigotry is the one thing I absolutely cannot stand.

If someone doesn't want to be friends with me because we disagree on something I don't want them as a friend. I don't see why I should change my opinions on anything for almost any reason.

Seconded. An old girlfriend was a hardcore atheist, and we strongly disagreed, but it didn't affect our relationship at all. Having kids would be a different story, of course...

tough question I would say that I won't change my views on peoples rights or my views on things like social security though of course I won‘t change personally for anything but extremely trivial things (you heard it ladies I'm willing to put the seat down;) )

The two things that spring immediately to mind would have to be my religious beliefs (C of E ftw :)) and a strong stand against discrimination of any sort. I enjoy discussion about them both, but I'm not going to change my views. Which, when you think about it, renders discussion kinda pointless I suppose...

Ditto. I even have a friend that believes all homosexuals should be killed, though she's got very liberal views on almost everything else.Well, for me, those two are of a kind, since the basis for racism is hatred of the other, so I'd have trouble with that as well--as would all my gay friends.

I can't compromise any of my religious beliefs, but I do like t odiscuss them. I also can't compromise on gay marriage, stem cell research, or other social issues.

Huh? I don't get it... comprimise which way?

Well, for me, those two are of a kind, since the basis for racism is hatred of the other, so I'd have trouble with that as well--as would all my gay friends.I have trouble with it too. In the end, the rest of the mutual friends and me don't mention the topic around her.

There are three things that I will never compromise on: fairness, justice, and decency.

That's why my blood really boils when I hear about another politician making bullshit statements, or people getting away with murder/rape/theft because of their status in society.

What color blue is.

What color blue is.

Blue?

What color blue is.

Your favorite colour? Or is it yellow?

Huh? I don't get it... comprimise which way?

Go with the view of t3h Chr15714nZ. There's a ton around here and I'm friends with a lot of them :eek:

Callous disregard for people. I don't neccisarily like people as a mass or anything like that, but I will not delight in thier demise or suffering regardless and people who do put me off.

sacrificing freedom for security, because, as we all know, any society that will give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both.

Blue?

They have camps in North Korea for people like you. Don't blue so much.

sacrificing freedom for security, because, as we all know, any society that will give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both.
Substituting Famous Quotes for Common Sense
Example: "All things come to those who wait". So don't bother looking for a job.

They have camps in North Korea for people like you. Don't blue so much.

So "blue" is some kind of codeword for an anti-marxist group currently operating in Pyongnang. I should have known!

Substituting Famous Quotes for Common Sense
Example: "All things come to those who wait". So don't bother looking for a job.
what, someone just said that line from my post before?

Go with the view of t3h Chr15714nZ. There's a ton around here and I'm friends with a lot of them :eek:

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Where do you live?

Meh, around here it's nearly impossible to place even the most minimal political requirements on friendship, unless you want to be a hermit.

I dont have strong beliefs to not compromise on anything. There I said it. I'm weak

I dont have strong beliefs to not compromise on anything. There I said it. I'm weak
Weak or pragmatic?

Abortion. It's my right....so get used to it. Husband or not, I'm the one popping out that sucker and if I don't want it no way in hell your sorry ass is going to make me have it.

:D

Abortion. It's my right....so get used to it. Husband or not, I'm the one popping out that sucker and if I don't want it no way in hell your sorry ass is going to make me have it.

:D

Amen! ;)

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Where do you live?

Eastern USA. North Carolina, to be exact (or as close to it as to not give myself completely away :eek:)

Tea must have sugar in it. No exceptions, and no stuffing it in at the last second. You must make it with really hot water and sugar, then the tea bags. It must also be cold, with ice.

Tea must have sugar in it. No exceptions, and no stuffing it in at the last second. You must make it with really hot water and sugar, then the tea bags. It must also be cold, with ice.

Mmm.....sweet tea......


Although, for me, hot tea has to have honey and brandy in it.

And I agree with cold tea, must have sugar in it and must not be done when cold.

firearms being legal

antis can go take a flying leap at a rolling donut

http://www.cornbread.com/~jhinkle/guns/Marvelmagdump3.MPG

Abortion. It's my right....so get used to it. Husband or not, I'm the one popping out that sucker and if I don't want it no way in hell your sorry ass is going to make me have it.

:D

:rolleyes:

Hopefully no man is, or will ever be, foolish enough to marry someone with views like yours, still less produce a child that would be subject to your "right" to kill it. How fortunate your own mother didn't exercise that "right".

Eastern USA. North Carolina, to be exact (or as close to it as to not give myself completely away :eek:)

I'd get killed there, probably.

Separation of church and state.

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Now I am the master.

I refuse to compromise my integrity.

There are things that we are willing to compromise our views on, for the sake of friendship, etc. However, there are a few things that we just absoutely flat out refuse to compromise on. What are they? For me it would have to be my religious beliefs and my Roman Catholic faith. I refuse to compromise any part of it and damn the consequences!

1) No compromise on most core RCC religious beliefs. Non-core issues like married priests are an open issue. But see 2 below.

2) No abortions except to save the physical life of the mother (then it's self-defense).

3) No compromise on marriage. Marriage between one man and one woman only. Absolutely no societal recognition of any kind for relations between sexual deviants--no marriages, no civil unions, no adoptions, etc.

4) No multiculturalism.

5) No feminism.

6) No defeatism, no support for the enemy.

7) No political correctness of any kind.

Some of the foregoing probably overlap to a certain extent.

1) No compromise on most core RCC religious beliefs. Non-core issues like married priests are an open issue. But see 2 below.

2) No abortions except to save the physical life of the mother (then it's self-defense).

3) No compromise on marriage. Marriage between one man and one woman only. Absolutely no societal recognition of any kind for relations between sexual deviants--no marriages, no civil unions, no adoptions, etc.

4) No multiculturalism.

5) No feminism.

6) No defeatism, no support for the enemy.

7) No political correctness of any kind.

Some of the foregoing probably overlap to a certain extent.

...woah...

(snip)
I'll close the cave door behind you. That hissing sound will be my torch sealing you in so you can't infect others with this nonsense.

3) No compromise on marriage. Marriage between one man and one woman only. Absolutely no societal recognition of any kind for relations between sexual deviants--no marriages, no civil unions, no adoptions, etc.

In other words, homosexuals are subhumans who deserve no rights.

4) No multiculturalism.

In other words, any other "culture" is the enemy and should be kept away or exterminated.

5) No feminism.

In other words, you hate women.


7) No political correctness of any kind.


Unfortunately it seems you compromise this. You're perfectly political correct... at least from the point of view of national socialism.

3) No compromise on marriage. Marriage between one man and one woman only. Absolutely no societal recognition of any kind for relations between sexual deviants--no marriages, no civil unions, no adoptions, etc.

=O

YOU SAY THAT WHEN I MYSELF AM PRACTICALLY GAY?!?!(and an atheist, but that doesn't matter much)

=O

YOU SAY THAT WHEN I MYSELF AM PRACTICALLY GAY?!?!(and an atheist, but that doesn't matter much)

Comrade, I wouldn't worry about what our friend here says.

In other words, homosexuals are subhumans who deserve no rights.

Nope, just no rights associated with marriage.

In other words, any other "culture" is the enemy and should be kept away or exterminated.

Not all "cultures" are the enemy, as long as American/Western culture remains dominant in America. The melting pot, not the salad bowl.

Nice try, Sparky.

In other words, you hate women.

There are quite a few who would testify to the contrary. "In other words," your attempt to rewrite my post fails miserably.

Unfortunately it seems you compromise this. You're perfectly political correct... at least from the point of view of national socialism.

Oooooh, he called me the N-word! I feel so ashamed now, so . . . dirty! :rolleyes:

You probably wouldn't know a real Nazi from the Soup Nazi.

It never ceases to amaze me: when a left-wing libtard has nothing intelligent to say (which is usually the case), he just reaches into his bag of tricks and pulls out the N-word, or the R-word, or the B-word, as if that somehow magically intimidates and delegitimizes all opposition.

Well, not here.

Nope, just no rights associated with marriage.



Not all "cultures" are the enemy, as long as American/Western culture remains dominant in America. The melting pot, not the salad bowl.
Adoption isn't associated with marriage...
I'm pretty sure when you mix things together and melt them, one thing doesn't stand out.

I'll close the cave door behind you. That hissing sound will be my torch sealing you in so you can't infect others with this nonsense.

Such a tolerant little libtard! :p

1) No compromise on most core RCC religious beliefs. Non-core issues like married priests are an open issue. But see 2 below.


Well, okay. It's not like I can say anything about how the Church should run, I'm not Catholic.


3) No compromise on marriage. Marriage between one man and one woman only. Absolutely no societal recognition of any kind for relations between sexual deviants--no marriages, no civil unions, no adoptions, etc.


Let's go one further and make all the gays wear rainbow armbands. How about it?


4) No multiculturalism.


uh


5) No feminism.


hmm


6) No defeatism, no support for the enemy.


I know what "the enemy" means when you use the term.


7) No political correctness of any kind.


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Adoption isn't associated with marriage...
I'm pretty sure when you mix things together and melt them, one thing doesn't stand out.

Adoption has historically been associated with marriage, and only recently has been corrupted into a means for self-gratification on the part of non-married adopters.

And yes, when you melt things in small enough quantities, the admixture doesn't fundamentally alter the nature of the overall composition.

Oooooh, he called me the N-word! I feel so ashamed now, so . . . dirty! :rolleyes:

You probably wouldn't know a real Nazi from the Soup Nazi.

It never ceases to amaze me: when a left-wing libtard has nothing intelligent to say (which is usually the case), he just reaches into his bag of tricks and pulls out the N-word, or the R-word, or the B-word, as if that somehow magically intimidates and delegitimizes all opposition.

Well, not here.

Sir, having certain values that you will not waver on is very important.

...But on some occassions one must compromise more than they don't, especially in today's constantly changing world.

And can you please reiterate which word the "B-word" is...this "libtard" hasn't kept up with the times...

Sir, having certain values that you will not waver on is very important.

...But on some occassions one must compromise more than they don't, especially in today's constantly changing world.

And can you please reiterate which word the "B-word" is...this "libtard" hasn't kept up with the times...

B-word = Bigot, I believe.

I'm a socialist atheist pr0n-lover! Hooray for me!

Such a tolerant little libtard! :p

HAHAHAHAH!!! If you call me libtard, you've never talked to me for more than two seconds. And I am very tolerant toward things I see as tolerable. Tolerance doesn't mean I have to like you or your ideas. It just means I have to agree to share the same universe with you. I'm perfectly happy to do that. I just wouldn't want to give you one second worth of chance to spread those ideas to someone who might fall for them.

B-word = Bigot, I believe.

Okay. And can we cut down on the "libtards" and the basic rhetoric, let's try to agree to disagree mkay? The schmo who disagrees with you has a right to speak his mind without getting insulted as you are.

Okay. And can we cut down on the "libtards" and the basic rhetoric, let's try to agree to disagree mkay?

You're talking to New Mitanni, right? I don't condone any of his insane ideas.

You're talking to New Mitanni, right? I don't condone any of his insane ideas.

Nor do I, but I believe in calm discussion with the occassional sarcasm and Monty Pythonesque humor.

But I'm not the boss of the world, if you want to let loose, let loose. Shit damn fuck and a whole lot of ASS...

Nor do I, but I believe in calm discussion with the occassional sarcasm and Monty Pythonesque humor.

But I'm not the boss of the world, if you want to let loose, let loose. Shit damn fuck and a whole lot of ASS...

YEAH. We're going to be DAMN HELL ASS KINGS!

edit: I am a libtard. I should write LIBTARD on a poster and hang it from my window.

Nor do I, but I believe in calm discussion with the occassional sarcasm and Monty Pythonesque humor.

But I'm not the boss of the world, if you want to let loose, let loose. Shit damn fuck and a whole lot of ASS...

Tits! Don't forget tits!

:rolleyes:

Hopefully no man is, or will ever be, foolish enough to marry someone with views like yours, still less produce a child that would be subject to your "right" to kill it. How fortunate your own mother didn't exercise that "right".



I know, it is fortunate that we have a voice of reason in this world; less fortunate that your mother did not use birth control.


;)

Tits! Don't forget tits!

How could I have...?

Abortion, due process, rkba, church-state separation.

I will never compromise over my atheism. The process of destroying the religious views I was brainwashed into in my youth required too many years of logical reason and rational thought to reverse through vague promises and threats of losing Pascal's Wager.

I will never compromise on my stance on gay marriage in America. The right to marry is an absolute right: the 14th amendment is absolutely inflexible, and any attempt to outlaw the marriage of two American citizens is blatantly homophobic bigotry hiding behind the Law of Moses (which also states that any sea creature with neither fins nor scales, such as lobster, is unclean, and yet how minimal the outcry has been from the party of popular Christian extremism...). All argument to the contrary is populist noise from people who do not understand the way American law works. There is a reason no Christian group has ever brought the issue before the Supreme Court: they know that they will lose, even to the court of Roberts and Scalia.

I will never compromise on my stance on abortion. A fetus does not biologically qualify as a living thing. Women have the absolute right of sovereignty of their bodies, as absolutely gauranteed by the Constitution and affirmed and re-affirmed by the US Supreme Court over and over again. All argument to the contrary is populist noise from people who would have women in the kitchen 18 hours a day because that is their place: in silence and with full submission. The Bible demands that a woman never, EVER have authority over a man, and yet the Christian right has not pushed this, even though it is the logical conclusion of their backwards mythology.

I will never compromise my stance on the supreme necessity of art in a person's life. The creation of art is the highest and truest purpose of the human experience.

I will never compromise my belief that the explosive growth of Islam during the 20th century was the worst thing to ever happen to the modern world, worse than Naziism, worse than Stalinism, worse than the Spanish influenza. The day Iran tests a nuclear warhead will go down in history as the day that World War III became unavoidable.

I will never, ever compromise my understanding that whenever somebody says something anti-Christian, they get yelled at =) (I noticed that, while scrolling through this thread, nobody had any negative replies, even the anti-gay people, until somebody mentioned that they are pro-choice).

AIM- ChrisRay6000

I will never compromise over my atheism. The process of destroying the religious views I was brainwashed into in my youth required too many years of logical reason and rational thought to reverse through vague promises and threats of losing Pascal's Wager.

I will never compromise on my stance on gay marriage in America. The right to marry is an absolute right: the 14th amendment is absolutely inflexible, and any attempt to outlaw the marriage of two American citizens is blatantly homophobic bigotry hiding behind the Law of Moses (which also states that any sea creature with neither fins nor scales, such as lobster, is unclean, and yet how minimal the outcry has been from the party of popular Christian extremism...). All argument to the contrary is populist noise from people who do not understand the way American law works. There is a reason no Christian group has ever brought the issue before the Supreme Court: they know that they will lose, even to the court of Roberts and Scalia.

I will never compromise on my stance on abortion. A fetus does not biologically qualify as a living thing. Women have the absolute right of sovereignty of their bodies, as absolutely gauranteed by the Constitution and affirmed and re-affirmed by the US Supreme Court over and over again. All argument to the contrary is populist noise from people who would have women in the kitchen 18 hours a day because that is their place: in silence and with full submission. The Bible demands that a woman never, EVER have authority over a man, and yet the Christian right has not pushed this, even though it is the logical conclusion of their backwards mythology.

I will never compromise my stance on the supreme necessity of art in a person's life. The creation of art is the highest and truest purpose of the human experience.

I will never compromise my belief that the explosive growth of Islam during the 20th century was the worst thing to ever happen to the modern world, worse than Naziism, worse than Stalinism, worse than the Spanish influenza. The day Iran tests a nuclear warhead will go down in history as the day that World War III became unavoidable.

I will never, ever compromise my understanding that whenever somebody says something anti-Christian, they get yelled at =) (I noticed that, while scrolling through this thread, nobody had any negative replies, even the anti-gay people, until somebody mentioned that they are pro-choice).

AIM- ChrisRay6000

...wow...

I have noticed the responses in the thread so far confirm the assessment of popularist politics given by my father. He said, in his lacklustre nonchalant way, "Well, both sides in the left/right thing are full of it. But I reckon the only main difference between the two is that left-wingers seem more capable of comprimise, whereas the righties are a bit...'their way or nothing', y'know?".

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Damn it. I already sealed that cave. I'll find another.

I have noticed the responses in the thread so far confirm the assessment of popularist politics given by my father. He said, in his lacklustre nonchalant way, "Well, both sides in the left/right thing are full of it. But I reckon the only main difference between the two is that left-wingers seem more capable of comprimise, whereas the righties are a bit...'their way or nothing', y'know?".

I don't know that even the left is as capable of compromise as the right, let alone more than...

I have noticed the responses in the thread so far confirm the assessment of popularist politics given by my father. He said, in his lacklustre nonchalant way, "Well, both sides in the left/right thing are full of it. But I reckon the only main difference between the two is that left-wingers seem more capable of comprimise, whereas the righties are a bit...'their way or nothing', y'know?".


Damn straight, now bend over bitch and I'll give it to you!

;)


(By the way.....THAT IS A JOKE for those who tend to take things way too seriously.)

I'll compromise anything for the short term provided the gains are sufficient and there appears to be an opportunity to right myself later, but in the long term I refuse to compromise on matters of personal and economic freedom.

I also refuse to compromise on sausages. A true sausage is spicey and fried with diced onions and powdered garlic until the skin is blackened. You try and trick me into eating anything less and I swear I'll kill you in ways that would make Hannibal Lecter blush.

I have noticed the responses in the thread so far confirm the assessment of popularist politics given by my father. He said, in his lacklustre nonchalant way, "Well, both sides in the left/right thing are full of it. But I reckon the only main difference between the two is that left-wingers seem more capable of comprimise, whereas the righties are a bit...'their way or nothing', y'know?".

I like Lewis Black's explanation:

"Democrats (left), the party of 'No Ideas', and Republicans (right), the party of 'Bad Ideas'. The only thing that is worse than a Democrat, and a Republican, is when these two pricks start working together. The Republican says 'Hey! I have a bad idea!' and the Democrat chimes in 'And I can make it shittier!'"

I will never compromise over my atheism. The process of destroying the religious views I was brainwashed into in my youth required too many years of logical reason and rational thought to reverse through vague promises and threats of losing Pascal's Wager.


I disagree here, but it's no big deal. I never expect to find that many left-leaning religious types like myself anyway.


I will never compromise on my stance on gay marriage in America. The right to marry is an absolute right: the 14th amendment is absolutely inflexible, and any attempt to outlaw the marriage of two American citizens is blatantly homophobic bigotry hiding behind the Law of Moses (which also states that any sea creature with neither fins nor scales, such as lobster, is unclean, and yet how minimal the outcry has been from the party of popular Christian extremism...). All argument to the contrary is populist noise from people who do not understand the way American law works. There is a reason no Christian group has ever brought the issue before the Supreme Court: they know that they will lose, even to the court of Roberts and Scalia.

I will never compromise on my stance on abortion. A fetus does not biologically qualify as a living thing. Women have the absolute right of sovereignty of their bodies, as absolutely gauranteed by the Constitution and affirmed and re-affirmed by the US Supreme Court over and over again. All argument to the contrary is populist noise from people who would have women in the kitchen 18 hours a day because that is their place: in silence and with full submission. The Bible demands that a woman never, EVER have authority over a man, and yet the Christian right has not pushed this, even though it is the logical conclusion of their backwards mythology.

I will never compromise my stance on the supreme necessity of art in a person's life. The creation of art is the highest and truest purpose of the human experience.


Agreed on almost all of that.


I will never compromise my belief that the explosive growth of Islam during the 20th century was the worst thing to ever happen to the modern world, worse than Naziism, worse than Stalinism, worse than the Spanish influenza. The day Iran tests a nuclear warhead will go down in history as the day that World War III became unavoidable.


No, not really. Iran getting a nuclear weapon has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with Iran's attempting to gain leverage in the Middle East.

I'll compromise anything for the short term provided the gains are sufficient and there appears to be an opportunity to right myself later, but in the long term I refuse to compromise on matters of personal and economic freedom.

I also refuse to compromise on sausages. A true sausage is spicey and fried with diced onions and powdered garlic until the skin is blackened. You try and trick me into eating anything less and I swear I'll kill you in ways that would make Hannibal Lecter blush.

But I don't want to fry my sausage... it will hurt... ;)

Oh another thing I will not compromise on is food. Every Saturday night is Chinese/Japanese food night. It is as set in stone as the ten commandments!

I disagree here, but it's no big deal. I never expect to find that many left-leaning religious types like myself anyway.

Well you have a friend in me, comrade.

Well you have a friend in me, comrade.

It's good to know. It seems like we're a fairly rare breed, at least where I live.

Violence and war is caused by the people who are totally unwilling to compromise a belief they had. There wouldn't be oppressive governments, because those people would compromise their extreme beliefs, there wouldn't be racists, because they compromise that belief, there wouldn't be uptight christians/athiests trying to shove belief on others, and so on.

Getting rid of all the crud you can't compromise on is something people should be striving for.

Freedom of Pr0n. It's the coolest thing ever. Who could want to destroy pr0n?

There are things that we are willing to compromise our views on, for the sake of friendship, etc. However, there are a few things that we just absoutely flat out refuse to compromise on. What are they? For me it would have to be my religious beliefs and my Roman Catholic faith. I refuse to compromise any part of it and damn the consequences!


I agree as a fellow Roman Catholic that I refuse to give into anyone about religious arguments. Another thing that I wont give in on is Sony PS3 Fanboys during the console war they are so annoying oh and giving in on the Video Game topic I will not give into people like Hilary Clinton and Jack Thompson trying to ruin my hobby and ban video games

Substituting Famous Quotes for Common Sense
Example: "All things come to those who wait". So don't bother looking for a job.
You read "The Joy of Work" I take it?

-Snip-.
So you won't Compromise on your ignorance? No matter, it's your life.

I know, it is fortunate that we have a voice of reason in this world; less fortunate that your mother did not use birth control.
;) Ow... 9.5 score

Now for myself.

1. I will not compromise with a Racist or a Sexist.

2. I will never accept that money is more important than lives.

3. Abortion, Gay Marriage etc are none of my damn business so don't try and make me join your stupid Crusade.

4. Don't try and convert me or tell me to stop believing in my faith either.

Does anyone else think it's funny that in the time it took for this thread to get 79 posts the "Things you will comprimise on" thread has something like 9 or 10 posts?

Another thing that I wont give in on is Sony PS3 Fanboys during the console war they are so annoying oh and giving in on the Video Game topic I will not give into people like Hilary Clinton and Jack Thompson trying to ruin my hobby and ban video games

Oh God SECONDED. Give me my GTA and my Battlefield and my Thief and my damn Sly Cooper and leave me in peace.

Another thing I won't compromise on is my music. I don't mind if she doesn't have the same taste as I do, because that's just being unreasonable. But if I can't play Ramones or Close To The Edge on the stereo, what's the point? Really.

Nope, just no rights associated with marriage.


Oh, is that all? Frankly, I don't care much for marriage myself, and I wonder why people like you feel like you have to act like defenders of the faith against the evil homosexual onslaught.


Not all "cultures" are the enemy, as long as American/Western culture remains dominant in America. The melting pot, not the salad bowl.

Yeah... either submit or you are the enemy. Sounds like xenophobia to me.


There are quite a few who would testify to the contrary. "In other words," your attempt to rewrite my post fails miserably.

If you say so, stud.


Oooooh, he called me the N-word! I feel so ashamed now, so . . . dirty! :rolleyes:

You probably wouldn't know a real Nazi from the Soup Nazi.


LOL SOUP NAZI THAT WAS FUNNY.


It never ceases to amaze me: when a left-wing libtard has nothing intelligent to say (which is usually the case), he just reaches into his bag of tricks and pulls out the N-word, or the R-word, or the B-word, as if that somehow magically intimidates and delegitimizes all opposition.

Well, not here.

It never ceases to amaze me - anyone who disagrees with you is a "left-wing libtard." Frankly, that alone shows me how much of a fascist you must be; you assume anyone who criticizes your medieval worldview is "leftist."

Pointing out how like a nazi you are is not some "leftist" conspiracy tactic.

Generally, people who advocate harsh, authoritarian, moralistic, nationalistic politics combined with a strong message of hatred based on ethnicity, are perceived as being nazi-like. Sure, America is your fatherland and Muslims are your religious target of hatred instead of Germany and Jews, but otherwise you might as well be goose-stepping.

So does it 'magically intimidate' your 'opposition?' Obviously not. (But then, calling me a "libtard" doesn't do much for you either.) It's not supposed to. I'm just calling it like I see it. Seems like not many people on this forum see it the way you do.

Somebody having no respect for my views, and intolerant of other POV's. That's what I cannot compromise on. Intolerance and disrespect for other POV's.

Somebody having no respect for my views, and intolerant of other POV's. That's what I cannot compromise on. Intolerance and disrespect for other POV's.

But you see, you're being intolerant of their views. As long as they don't interfere with you, you should be tolerant of their disagreement with you. You have disrespect for their POV.

Legalized abortions.

Freedom of Speech.

My views on religion.

Pretty much everything else is negotiable.

I disagree here, but it's no big deal. I never expect to find that many left-leaning religious types like myself anyway.



Not? Well I had/have at least 2 girlfriends who where left-leaning and believed in God. And I have met some others who where that way (mainly woman though). Maybe it's because I live in Europe/Germany. Among the younger Christians, there are many liberals here I guess...

Well you have a friend in me, comrade.

I second that :) Although I must say I seem to be quite lucky in my friends - they're nearly all left-leaning Christians (those that are Christians I mean. Most of my friends are left leaning anyway lol). Now if only I could say the same of my brother, but that's not for here.

Separation of church and state.

900th Post
Now I am the master.
no. in nsg if you have less than 1000 youre still a n00b.

1) No compromise on most core RCC religious beliefs. Non-core issues like married priests are an open issue. But see 2 below.
i don't understand

2) No abortions except to save the physical life of the mother (then it's self-defense).
What baout cases of rape?

3) No compromise on marriage. Marriage between one man and one woman only. Absolutely no societal recognition of any kind for relations between sexual deviants--no marriages, no civil unions, no adoptions, etc.
You should realise that we don't much like homophobes here on NSG. Especially because there are some gay people on this forum

4) No multiculturalism.
I do not know on which side of the argment this goes, but I think governmnets should not try to make their countries multicultural/not multicultural. really, governments should keep their filthy paws of this kind of stuff.

5) No feminism.
we don't like sexist pigs on NS either

6) No defeatism, no support for the enemy.
so you define war as "yay!! guns!! bombs!! killin' foreign people!! yay!!"

7) No political correctness of any kind.
define "political correctness"

I disagree here, but it's no big deal. I never expect to find that many left-leaning religious types like myself anyway.

I think they'e rare on this forum, as most of the louder left-leaning types seem to be atheists or agnostics, but overall, they're pretty common.

I like Lewis Black's explanation:

"Democrats (left), the party of 'No Ideas', and Republicans (right), the party of 'Bad Ideas'. The only thing that is worse than a Democrat, and a Republican, is when these two pricks start working together. The Republican says 'Hey! I have a bad idea!' and the Democrat chimes in 'And I can make it shittier!'"

Politics today. Scary. Lovely quote, too. :D

All that remins me the Sikhs do not drink alcool.
And they are the best alcool dealers around.

Easy to speak, easier to live.
Nothing to explain.

When you refuse something, refuse it all.
Compromission is not diplomacy, it's loosing it.

I think they'e rare on this forum, as most of the louder left-leaning types seem to be atheists or agnostics, but overall, they're pretty common.

It must be because I'm at college, where a lot of people who are liberal have decided to go atheist. Or something. I also live in the US, where the religious right-wing and the "secular left" are the loudest groups. But you're generally right. Almost all of my friends, though, have been either religious and conservative or not religious and liberal, so maybe it's just my experience.

I dislike, and will not tolerate in friends:

Bigotry in most forms (racism, sexism, homophobia), evangelism (particularly Baptist and Mormon evangelism), anti-abortionists, militarism, neo-conservatism, those who wish to infringe on my rights to do anything I want to my body, or to the body of someone who consents, those who cite religious texts as "evidence" on a secular topic (gay marriage, for example, is a purely secular, civil law arena), anti-multiculturists, anti-European integrationists, neddism and fans of metal music.

I will not compromise on sleeping in a warm bed.

I'm not sure if there's anything I won't compromise on when it comes to friendships. I have some pretty bigoted friends. (i'm hoping they'll come around eventually, but eh...)

It must be because I'm at college, where a lot of people who are liberal have decided to go atheist. Or something. I also live in the US, where the religious right-wing and the "secular left" are the loudest groups. But you're generally right. Almost all of my friends, though, have been either religious and conservative or not religious and liberal, so maybe it's just my experience.

Well, the part of the country you live in may have something to do with it as well. The older, mainline protestant churches mostly in northeast and west coast are the more liberal churches (surprise, surprise), while the southern churches, especially the Pentecostal and southern Baptist Convention, are the more conservative churches.

i don't understand
You should realise that we don't much like homophobes here on NSG. Especially because there are some gay people on this forum

we don't like sexist pigs on NS either

:rolleyes:

In other words, dissenters from leftist/politically correct orthodoxy need not apply. How typically PC.


define "political correctness"

Read your own post and you'll have an idea. But I'll give you a hint: use of the pseudo-scientific term "homophobe" is a good start.

If you can't deal with a challenge, that's on you, not me.

Very little actually. My morals are surprisingly malleable. I never lend people more than £10, however I react subjectively to a situation.

:rolleyes:

In other words, dissenters from leftist/politically correct orthodoxy need not apply. How typically PC.
Hate to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of people who are conservative who aren't homophobes or sexist. In fact, probably the preeminent example of a conservative just like that was Barry Goldwater. That's right, Barry "Let's nuke the Vietnamese back to the Stone age" Goldwater was in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the military and pro-choice. Can't exactly call him PC, now can you?

It has nothing to do with orthodoxy and everything to do with being a decent and honorable human being who respects the rights of his or her fellow humans.

Freedom of Pr0n. It's the coolest thing ever. Who could want to destroy pr0n?

porn destroys healthy relationships.

porn destroys healthy relationships.

They weren't that healthy in the first place if either participant requires the use of porn beyond that which is mutual. Silly moralists.

porn destroys healthy relationships.

YOU LIE!!!!

porn destroys healthy relationships.
Hasn't destroyed mine, and my girlfriend and I are coming up on 6 years of monogamous happiness.

porn destroys healthy relationships.

17 years and counting, baybee. I put more stock in warm beds to sleep in.

Hate to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of people who are conservative who aren't homophobes or sexist. In fact, probably the preeminent example of a conservative just like that was Barry Goldwater. That's right, Barry "Let's nuke the Vietnamese back to the Stone age" Goldwater was in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the military and pro-choice. Can't exactly call him PC, now can you?

Barry Goldwater was entitled to his opinions on any issue on which he chose to express them. He was as good a conservative as any, and better than most. However, that doesn't mean he was right on all issues, or that every conservative is obligated to agree with him on all issues.

Appeals to authority won't get you very far, sweetie.

Barry Goldwater was entitled to his opinions on any issue on which he chose to express them. He was as good a conservative as any, and better than most. However, that doesn't mean he was right on all issues, or that every conservative is obligated to agree with him on all issues.

Appeals to authority won't get you very far, sweetie.

You're cute. In essence, you're arguing that you're a better conservative than Goldwater. Child, you're not worthy to lick Goldwater's corpse's browneye.

You're cute. In essence, you're arguing that you're a better conservative than Goldwater. Child, you're not worthy to lick Goldwater's corpse's browneye.

That's a lovely sentiment.

That's a lovely sentiment.

Nazz does have moments of great eloquence! :)

Nazz does have moments of great eloquence! :)It's hard to come back from a retort about analingus, you have to admit. ;)

Quality of chocolate.

You come into my home bringing low quality American chocolate made with vegetable fat, not cocoa butter.....expect to get your ass whipped.

porn destroys healthy relationships.
And enhances unhealthy ones. So what's your point?

porn destroys healthy relationships.
*head explodes*

There aren't many things I woulnd't compromise on.

First of all, my life, my choice to live it. What I do with it, or with other consenting adults, is NOBODY's business. Ever. Same goes for everything concerning my body.

Tolerance. What other people do with their lives is their business, I may or may not agree with it, but as long as nobody gets hurt, let them do what they want.

Non-violence. Selfexplanatory, I hope.

That's about it, really....

porn destroys healthy relationships.

Huh??? :confused:

I'm in a healthy relationship, and we both love porn... no destruction as far as I can see...

Quality of chocolate.

You come into my home bringing low quality American chocolate made with vegetable fat, not cocoa butter.....expect to get your ass whipped.

I want to club you with a Toblerone.

I dislike, and will not tolerate in friends:

Bigotry in most forms (racism, sexism, homophobia), evangelism (particularly Baptist and Mormon evangelism), anti-abortionists, militarism, neo-conservatism, those who wish to infringe on my rights to do anything I want to my body, or to the body of someone who consents, those who cite religious texts as "evidence" on a secular topic (gay marriage, for example, is a purely secular, civil law arena), anti-multiculturists, anti-European integrationists, neddism and fans of metal music.

You utter ingrate. Got any rich people to tax?

=O

YOU SAY THAT WHEN I MYSELF AM PRACTICALLY GAY?!?!

Isnt Practically gay like kind of pregnant? Either you are or you arnt.

I refuse to buy store brand Q-tips. You can feel the stick poking in your eardrum. No compromises dammit!

I won't compromise on any form of discrimination, bad English, abortion and strict gun control. I have refused to be friends with people who are bigotted in one way or another.

Good question. I have a couple of dealbreakers, but the biggest one, I'd have to say, is racism. I can't be friends with a racist, no matter what other good qualities he or she may have.
Are you an equal opportunity anti-racist? Or do you just discriminate against white racists?

That was leading. Do you think that racism can exist within minority groups and if so, do you point it out when you see it?

civil rights, censorship, shit like that. Like a few others I will not compromise on gay marriage and stem cell research. I support these things unequivically. censorship just pisses me off. The "ban this sick filth" brigade sicken me. They dont like it so they dont want anyone to see it, whatever it is. I watched True Lies a few days ago. late at night, and they cut out a scene where he broke a guys neck, even though moments before he told the guy he was gonna do it, so it fucked up the scene when the next shot was him leaving the room. Why the hell did they cut that scene? it was the middle of the night for fuck sake. I can understand editing shit for tv but they made it suitable for kids which was pointless. if I want to see sex and violence and whatnot I should be allowed to. I dont like gay porn but I wouldnt oppose it being broadcast on a mainstream channel. as long as it didnt replace a show I liked.

Are you an equal opportunity anti-racist? Or do you just discriminate against white racists?

That was leading. Do you think that racism can exist within minority groups and if so, do you point it out when you see it?

Sure, racism can exist within minority groups, and it's just as stupid then.

You're cute. In essence, you're arguing that you're a better conservative than Goldwater. Child, you're not worthy to lick Goldwater's corpse's browneye.

How typical: deliberate misconstruction of an argument followed by ad hominem abuse.

Let me clarify things. I'll use short words so you can follow along.

Not better, just different. Now, you do understand the difference, don't you?

And please, don't attribute your personal sexual preferences to me, or anyone else.

BTW: I can think of plenty of things you're worthy of ;)

Sure, racism can exist within minority groups, and it's just as stupid then.

That may seem obvious. It does to me anyway, but there are a number of minorities that don't seem to think so. But then, my definition of racism includes affirmative action. And I think that's a valid inclusion.

That may seem obvious. It does to me anyway, but there are a number of minorities that don't seem to think so. But then, my definition of racism includes affirmative action. And I think that's a valid inclusion.Interesting way you phrased that--"a number of minorities that don't seem to think so." There's a question of whether "minorities" is meant to represent individual members of a minority community or the community itself. Which is it?

Interesting way you phrased that--"a number of minorities that don't seem to think so." There's a question of whether "minorities" is meant to represent individual members of a minority community or the community itself. Which is it?

It depends. I was on a jury last week and I couldn't even recall the number of men, women, and non-white members of the jury when my wife asked about it. Clearly, the non-white, non-male members of that jury didn't strike me as racist. But if I continue to use affirmative action as an example, there are certainly large groups of minorities that oppose its elimination. There, I can't single out any particular racist, save for the prominent spokesmen, but there is certainly a current of racism running through some particular groups of people.

I think what your getting at is whether I see people as groups or individuals and I believe the truthful answer is that I see them both ways. It depends on the situation.

It depends. I was on a jury last week and I couldn't even recall the number of men, women, and non-white members of the jury when my wife asked about it. Clearly, the non-white, non-male members of that jury didn't strike me as racist. But if I continue to use affirmative action as an example, there are certainly large groups of minorities that oppose its elimination. There, I can't single out any particular racist, save for the prominent spokesmen, but there is certainly a current of racism running through some particular groups of people.

I think what your getting at is whether I see people as groups or individuals and I believe the truthful answer is that I see them both ways. It depends on the situation.
That's fair up to a point, because we deal in stereotypes as a way of processing huge amounts of information. But when it comes to dealing with racism, I think you can only really look at the issue on a micro as opposed to a macro level.

I dislike the use of Affirmative Action as an example, because I don't believe it's racist, but apartheid is a perfect example in my mind. It's perfect because on the macro level, it embodies insitutional racism, and yet to assume that every person who lives in an apartheid society--no matter whether the oppressors or the oppressed--is racist is silly, as there are always examples of those who overcome the institution to act decently toward each other and ignore race.

There are things that we are willing to compromise our views on, for the sake of friendship, etc. However, there are a few things that we just absoutely flat out refuse to compromise on. What are they? For me it would have to be my religious beliefs and my Roman Catholic faith. I refuse to compromise any part of it and damn the consequences!

I refuse to compromise on my love and devotion to my family.

I refuse to compromise on my love and devotion to my Country, and in particular to the Constitution.

I refuse to compromise on the high value I place on children ... ANY children.

I refuse to compromise on my devotion to my friends ( I will tell them when I think they're wrong, but that has more to do with my concern for them than anything else. ).

I refuse to compromise on my devotion to my brother and sisters who were, or are in uniform.

I refuse to compromise on acceptance of all people, regardless of their "race," religion, ethnicity, age, sex, or sexual orientation ( People are just people ... period! ).

And I refuse to compromise on my standards for what I expect in a prospective partner. ;)

Isnt Practically gay like kind of pregnant? Either you are or you arnt.

Not really, I'm practically straight, but find some guys really sexy. Someone can be practically gay the same way.

I won't compromise on any form of discrimination, bad English, abortion and strict gun control. I have refused to be friends with people who are bigotted in one way or another.

Oh goody. Another one.

What on earth is actually wrong with bigotry provided it does not fashion itself into discrimination?

Not really, I'm practically straight, but find some guys really sexy. Someone can be practically gay the same way.

Thats called Bisexual.

I refuse to compromise on my devotion to my brother and sisters who were, or are in uniform.


What if some of those guys unjustly tortured prisoners? Or killed innocent civilians for fun etc...

Shouldn't the word 'not' be capitalized in the title not the word 'WILL'?

Oh goody. Another one.

What on earth is actually wrong with bigotry provided it does not fashion itself into discrimination?

Bigotry is "complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own."

I figured people like you are bigots, but I never thought you would actually defend bigotry itself. Kinda boggles the mind. But I guess I won't answer your question because you are completely intolerant to any opinion that differs from your own, hence communicating with you is a waste of time.

Racism-oh does my spite run deep for racists
Authoritarianism/conformism-I am incapable of accepting heirarchy or doing the same thing as others do to fit in rather than actually liking it.
stem cell research (being for it)
death penalty (being against it)
the right to freely and openly criticize all aspects of society without fear of reprimand, loss of dignity, or persecution (basically freedom to express oneself within rationally defined limits-such limits being where the rights of others are not infringed upon).
I refuse to compromise on my absolute disdain for consumerism, the capitalist 9-5 stressathon, socially approved lifestyles ie you should have a career, you should listen to this type of music you should have a house, car, wife etc at a certain age and what else or your a failure.
Ignorance-ie obnoxious behaviour, the refusal of individuals to accept certain things to their own detriment and more importantly to that of others, basically ignorant behaviour/mindsets where it affects others.
War mongering-idiocy.

For some of these my refusal to compromise is context dependent-for example I would have no problem with the authoritarian configuration of British society during world war 2 as it was justified with respect to a greater threat, nazis (oh Ive just compromised myself havent I, Godwins law strikes again).

Bigotry is "complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own."

I figured people like you are bigots, but I never thought you would actually defend bigotry itself. Kinda boggles the mind. But I guess I won't answer your question because you are completely intolerant to any opinion that differs from your own, hence communicating with you is a waste of time.

Well firstly, in light of the above aren't you lucky?;)

However, if you assert the capacity of each human to free speech and to hold private opinions, just how is bigotry excluded from this?

Thats called Bisexual.

It's called whatever you're comfortable calling it. :)

Someone's sexuality can be anything.

I refuse to compromise on... abortion. I flat out refuse to express an opinion about it either way.

Well firstly, in light of the above aren't you lucky?;)

However, if you assert the capacity of each human to free speech and to hold private opinions, just how is bigotry excluded from this?

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this. You asked what was wrong with being a bigot, not whether bigots have the legal right to be intolerant, close-minded, xenophobic, hateful, arrogant pricks.

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this. You asked what was wrong with being a bigot, not whether bigots have the legal right to be intolerant, close-minded, xenophobic, hateful, arrogant pricks.

So what is wrong with it, provided it makes the bigot happy?

So what is wrong with it, provided it makes the bigot happy?

You don't see anything wrong with complete stupidity? You see no value in intelligence and wisdom?

You don't see anything wrong with complete stupidity? You see no value in intelligence and wisdom?

I don't hate people who are stupid. That would be bigotted of me.

I don't hate people who are stupid. That would be bigotted of me.

Good for you. Does this mean you also think there is nothing wrong with being stupid? How about being intentionally ignorant? Is written language and mathematics overrated, should we all just live in caves where no foreign ideas or opinions will ever harm our precious bodily fluids?

You don't see anything wrong with complete stupidity? You see no value in intelligence and wisdom?

Ignorance? Wisdom? You firstly presuppose a western, ethnocentric perspective upon two subjective attributes.

Good for you. Does this mean you also think there is nothing wrong with being stupid? How about being intentionally ignorant? Is written language and mathematics overrated, should we all just live in caves where no foreign ideas or opinions will ever harm our precious bodily fluids?

How does: not hating stupid people = hating intelligence.

Ignorance? Wisdom? You firstly presuppose a western, ethnocentric perspective upon two subjective attributes.

Bigotry is by definition intolerance of things 'new' or unknown. I.E, bigotry is a direct reluctance, if not hostile refusal, to learning and accumulation of knowledge. Hence bigotry is not just ignorance but continued ignorance mixed with the stubborn assumption that one's beliefs and opinions are always right no matter what.

Now are you going to answer the question?

How does: not hating stupid people = hating intelligence.

So your answer is "no." Good.

Well firstly, in light of the above aren't you lucky?;)

However, if you assert the capacity of each human to free speech and to hold private opinions, just how is bigotry excluded from this?
Well, if I recall correctly, the premise of the thread is that what personal principles wouldn't you compromise for the sake of a friendship. People have the right to be bigots if they want to, but I sure as hell don't have to be friends with them.

I refuse to compromise on hot sweaty mansex being a really funny phrase.

I will not compromise my religious views, nor will I attempt to convince others that my religious views are correct. My own spiritual views are unrelated to any organized religion...I have developed a nice little one-person spiritual bubble of contentment. I do not feel the need to have that bubble be poked by some fuckwad with an axe to grind.

I never comprimise on anything, although sometimes I will change sides to fight a greater evil, or will forget the problem.