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With all the "emo/metal/whatever sucks" comments in the worst band thread, I thought we should have a worst genre poll. Sorry if it's been done before.

edit: prog is progressive rock, in case you don't know it. Old genre, but in terms of recent stuff, think Dream Theater.

Prefabricated pop music by such bands and individuals as N Synch and Ashlee Simpson should be at or near the top of the list.

EMO. EMO EMO EMO. EMO.

Seriously, emo sucks.

Prefabricated pop music by such bands and individuals as N Synch and Ashlee Simpson should be at or near the top of the list.

I'm expecting that was intentional.

EMO. EMO EMO EMO. EMO.

Seriously, emo sucks.

:confused: Which emo? It originally was awesome. But now it's turned all commercialtastic...

Emo plus anything Pete Waterman ever pumped out.

All of it. It was never awesome. It was different, but it was still utter crap.

Prefabricated pop music by such bands and individuals as N Synch and Ashlee Simpson should be at or near the top of the list.

I just realized I didn't include that. I don't consider that stuff music anyway, more like pure product if you know what I mean.

Although the worst is rap its notreal music so country.

Prefabricated pop music by such bands and individuals as N Synch and Ashlee Simpson should be at or near the top of the list.

Exactly. Anything else, even emo, requires at least a minimum of musical talent to produce.


If we're going for "real" genres, however, i'd probably have to say black metal. (although I can't pick metal as the poll option, because I like a fair few other metal styles...)

Awwww man I forgot all about Country until this thread brought it up :(

*shudders*

i'd say polka. I mean...come on...its polka.

You all lose the game.

Exactly. Anything else, even emo, requires at least a minimum of musical talent to produce.


If we're going for "real" genres, however, i'd probably have to say black metal.

If we're talking death metal here then some of the guitarists are technically amazing, better than in other metal genres. Can't stand the vocal style though.

Awwww man I forgot all about Country until this thread brought it up :(

*shudders*

Country still isn't the worst. They had Johnny Cash, after all.

I'm expecting that was intentional.

No, typo.

You all lose the game.
:confused: Why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_%28game%29

Country still isn't the worst. They had Johnny Cash, after all.

I'll give you that one!:p

Country still isn't the worst. They had Johnny Cash, after all.

Find Bob Dylan's "Nashville Skyline". Cash even sang on one of the songs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_%28game%29

Well you lost it first by mentioning it! I now remember that from another thread ages ago! :D

Rap. Fails. Hard. So does pop

Country still isn't the worst. They had Johnny Cash, after all.
what? isn't that some smartcard (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Cash)

If we're talking death metal here then some of the guitarists are technically amazing, better than in other metal genres. Can't stand the vocal style though.

No, death I can stand, and on occasion enjoy. I mean black metal like Mayhem, Bathory, etc. and even worse, piece of shit nazi bands like Burzum.

what? isn't that some smartcard (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Cash)

Yes it is.

I didn't know Oscar Wilde was a rapper, too...

I like emo music... :eek: but not if it's pure product, like pop. *shudders* I was about 8 when the whole boy-bands thing was going strong... :sniper: thank God they are gone! :eek: But I like emo, metal, and punk, and indie. I can stand country music in moderation, but pop and rap... :headbang: NO. Rap should be either illegal or used as a Weapon of Mass Destruction (or Weapon of Mass Headaches). So should pop.

Metal.

*runs away*

Rap fails like Dick Cheney's heart.

Oh yeah, pop-punk and emo are shit. Punk is usually shit.

REAL punk is good.

No, death I can stand, and on occasion enjoy. I mean black metal like Mayhem, Bathory, etc. and even worse, piece of shit nazi bands like Burzum.
ok, I haven't heard any of them. Would Slayer fit the same catagory (nazi band)?

All of it. It was never awesome. It was different, but it was still utter crap.
At the drive-in fucking rocks.
Anyway, the emobashers suck more than the emo itself, emo isn't big in the Netherlands so I don't give much of a damn about it either. Anyway, the options that I'm missing are "pop", as in "top 40"-shit, dunno if it's known in the USA, shouldn't matter anyway. Pop sucks, and I'm curious as to where all the more electronic genres went. Is RnB in there? What about Dance, Trance, Hardcore (not the hardcore with guitars though), and all that shit? And electronic, house, IDM, etc?

REAL punk is good.

What would you count as REAL punk?

I like emo music... :eek: but not if it's pure product, like pop. *shudders* I was about 8 when the whole boy-bands thing was going strong... :sniper: thank God they are gone! :eek: But I like emo, metal, and punk, and indie. I can stand country music in moderation, but pop and rap... :headbang: NO. Rap should be either illegal or used as a Weapon of Mass Destruction (or Weapon of Mass Headaches). So should pop.

See?! The Pancake agrees with me, emo can't be bad.

Although, 90s rap was good, and indie, in certain contexts, is terrible

Metal.

*runs away*

*chases with Metal*

See?! The Pancake agrees with me, emo can't be bad.

Although, 90s rap was good, and indie, in certain contexts, is terrible

The pancake negate's his argument by using nOOb smilies!!!!

ok, I haven't heard any of them. Would Slayer fit the same catagory (nazi band)?

No, they're generally regarded as thrash metal, and they're definitely not Nazi's.

ok, I haven't heard any of them. Would Slayer fit the same catagory (nazi band)?

Slayer is American thrash, man.

And, no, Angel of Death and Guilty of Being White were parody/satire...

ok good, I got Reign in Blood album in the car!!!:D

The pancake negate's his argument by using nOOb smilies!!!!

Hmm. Sarcasm detector must be faulty...

And the pancake is a he? :eek:

I will personally mutilate ever poster who voted emo:)

I bloody love it. I'm getting my cute little heartogram on my shoulder in a few months.

As for Hip-Hop, I actually quite like some of it. Just not rap.

What would you count as REAL punk?

Original stuff, Sex Pistols, The Clash, that bunch.

Modern Emo. It's prefabricated empty-headed nonsense. Pop. Same. Rap. It's chauvanistic, violent, hate music.

Hmm. Sarcasm detector must be faulty...

Hang on.........

*kicks sarcasm detector*

yep, I think it may be working again :p

And the pancake is a he? :eek:

No idea on that one (hard to tell who's what here most of the time:rolleyes: )

I bloody love it. I'm getting my cute little heartogram on my shoulder in a few months.

Please, for the sake of mankind, don't do it!

I will personally mutilate ever poster who voted emo:)

I bloody love it. I'm getting my cute little heartogram on my shoulder in a few months.

As for Hip-Hop, I actually quite like some of it. Just not rap.

It's a good job I'm NOT coming to the London meet then! :p

Rap. It's chauvanistic, violent, hate music.

Not all of it.

Please, for the sake of mankind, don't do it!

It's so cool. I might try to get it done with two black lines defining it, and a sort of flowing rainbowy colour inside.

Please, for the sake of mankind, don't do it!

Seconded - you'll look

a) gay (which is fine if you are(I' m assuming you're male?))

AND/OR

b) like a twat.

Don't do it!!!!!!

Hang on.........

*kicks sarcasm detector*

yep, I think it may be working again
No, no, no, I was talking about my sarcasmometer, which you can't kick, unless you have an enormous foot.
Or unless you're in my house.
<.<

>.>

I didn't think El Pancake was being sarcasmic.

Not all of it.

You're right. My bad. I should have said "Major Label 'gangsta' Rap"

Sorry.

You're right. My bad. I should have said "Major Label 'gangsta' Rap"

Sorry.

You're forgiven. :)

But don't do it again. *glares* :p

It's so cool. I might try to get it done with two black lines defining it, and a sort of flowing rainbowy colour inside.

A sort of floating rainbowy colour inside? Do you have any idea how shit that would look? Not to mention that in two years or so when you've grown out of emo laser surgery is going to be hellishly expensive.

And as for the mutilating anyone who voted emo, shouldn't you be saving the mutilation for yourself? :D

You're forgiven. :)

But don't do it again. *glares* :p

I swear, it won't happen again!

I'll find a different genre to overgeneralize and mock... :p

Country has to be among the worst things ever invented among such horrors as nuclear weapons and soap operas.

No, no, no, I was talking about my sarcasmometer, which you can't kick, unless you have an enormous foot.


Size 10.....but I got my giant clownshoes on!:D
Or unless you're in my house.

<.<

>.>

*Tries not to sneeze for fear of being caught*

I didn't think El Pancake was being sarcasmic.

he/she it wasn't I thought you meant you were and I wasn't gettin' it! Oh well:p

A sort of floating rainbowy colour inside? Do you have any idea how shit that would look? Not to mention that in two years or so when you've grown out of emo laser surgery is going to be hellishly expensive.

And as for the mutilating anyone who voted emo, shouldn't you be saving the mutilation for yourself? :D

Bugger. Well thought out......:D

It would be so cool though.

*Tries not to sneeze for fear of being caught*


:eek: What was that noise?!?!?!onetwothreedollarsign

Never mind, it was just the cat. I hope... :(

RAP IS CRAP!:sniper: :upyours:

The pancake negate's HER argument by using nOOb smilies!!!!

Fixed. :)

Also, I apologize for that n00b smiley... would this :mad: be better? :p

Fixed. :)

Also, I apologize for that n00b smiley... would this :mad: be better? :p

Why are you a pancake?

Fixed. :)

Also, I apologize for that n00b smiley... would this :mad: be better? :p

COOL! now I know not to offend another poster by calling them the wrong sex. Yes, that's better![/nOOb comments];)

*apologizes*

RAP IS CRAP!:sniper: :upyours:
Wow, that was an amazing argument. I'm now convinced to never listen to rap again.
COOL! now I know not to offend another poster by calling them the wrong sex. Yes, that's better![/nOOb comments];)

*apologizes*
SEE?! I knew I was right. *victoly dance*

No, death I can stand, and on occasion enjoy. I mean black metal like Mayhem, Bathory, etc. and even worse, piece of shit nazi bands like Burzum.

OK Burzum I understand you can have differences with but if you like Death Metal how the heck can you not fail to ejaculate spasmodically when listening to such stone-cold (pun intended) classics as Mayhems 'De Mysterious Dom Santhanas' or Bathorys 'Blood Fire Death'?
The opening to 'Equimanthorn' alone is probably the most ass-kicking metal music(k) i've heard!

Wow, that was an amazing argument. I'm now convinced to never listen to rap again.

SEE?! I knew I was right. *victoly dance*

Hey - no-one likes a gloater!!!! :rolleyes:

Emo music, definitely. Fall Out Boy, need I say more?

Why are you a pancake?
I've asked myself that many times.

Hehe, guess what I had for breakfast.
Hey - no-one likes a gloater!!!! :rolleyes:
*slowly stops dancing* ...No one likes me? :(

I've asked myself that many times.

Hehe, guess what I had for breakfast.

*slowly stops dancing* ...No one likes me? :(


Meh, you're alright as far as figments of my imagination go.....:p

I had last nights curry from the 'shan T.

Metal. I can listen to music from pretty much any genre, but stick on metal, and I'm running for the hills, because it's just so unlistenable. It kills brain cells, makes puppies explode, and masturbates your granny while you watch. It's really that talentless.

Emo music, definitely. Fall Out Boy, need I say more?

Yes. FALL OUT BOY IS NOT EMO.

What's with all the votes for rap/hip hop? Turn off the god damn radio.

Metal. I can listen to music from pretty much any genre, but stick on metal, and I'm running for the hills, because it's just so unlistenable. It kills brain cells, makes puppies explode, and masturbates your granny while you watch. It's really that talentless.

Some of the metal guitarists are among the most technically perfect on the planet! You have no clue sir

Country has to be among the worst things ever invented among such horrors as nuclear weapons and soap operas.
There are a number of country artists who avail themselves quite well (Neko Case and Johnny Cash, for instance).
This whole thread is pointless because it is impossible to truely label an entire genre as either "bad" or "good", as there are good songs/bands in every group, you just have to be willing to look for them.

I've asked myself that many times.

Hehe, guess what I had for breakfast.

*slowly stops dancing* ...No one likes me? :(

They do now you've stopped doing the victory dance!!!!! :D

Yes. FALL OUT BOY IS NOT EMO.

Please inform Wiki, then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_Boy

Why are you a pancake?

A long time ago I made a reply to something else and mentioned that I was a girl, and several others were shocked because the ythought I was a guy. After that I made a poll asking whether I seemed more masculine or feminine (the joke option was Pancake) and everybody chose Pancake. So now I am the Pancake. :p

Metal. I can listen to music from pretty much any genre, but stick on metal, and I'm running for the hills, because it's just so unlistenable. It kills brain cells, makes puppies explode, and masturbates your granny while you watch. It's really that talentless.

:confused:

You do realize that many Metal guitarists are technically more skilled than other rock guitarists? Most of them have classical training.

Ever heard of Yngwie Malmstein? Michael Romeo? John Petrucci? These are probably the best rock guitarists out there. News-flash... They all play metal.

I've asked myself that many times.

Hehe, guess what I had for breakfast. :eek:

*slowly stops dancing* ...No one likes me? :(

I do! just as long as you don't launch your flaming corpse off a trebuchet and try to land on me :eek:

Some of the metal guitarists are among the most technically perfect on the planet! You have no clue sir

I have quite a lot of clue, and I can say, with a certain amount of authority: metal is talentless trash. I can endure a pop song. I can even endure a rap song. I cannot endure metal without wanting to kill myself.

:confused:

You do realize that many Metal guitarists are technically more skilled than other rock guitarists? Most of them have classical training.

Ever heard of Yngwie Malmstein? Michael Romeo? John Petrucci? These are probably the best rock guitarists out there. News-flash... They all play metal.

I am of the opinion that unless it sounds good, it's talentless. I don't care if they can play guitar well. It doesn't come across in the genre of music they practise.

A long time ago I made a reply to something else and mentioned that I was a girl, and several others were shocked because the ythought I was a guy. After that I made a poll asking whether I seemed more masculine or feminine (the joke option was Pancake) and everybody chose Pancake. So now I am the Pancake. :p

=O

YOU'RE A CHICK?!?!?!

I have quite a lot of clue, and I can say, with a certain amount of authority: metal is talentless trash. I can endure a pop song. I can even endure a rap song. I cannot endure metal without wanting to kill myself.

Whether you like it or not is neither here nor there to say that all metal musicians are talentless is a ridiculous statement to make. A lot of them are top of their game. Pop is talentless cos most of the performers are just singing someone else's songs or miming.

I am of the opinion that unless it sounds good, it's talentless. I don't care if they can play guitar well. It doesn't come across in the genre of music they practise.

=O

YOU DON'T LIKE BLACK SABBATH?!?!?!

I am of the opinion that unless it sounds good, it's talentless. I don't care if they can play guitar well. It doesn't come across in the genre of music they practise.

Talent=ability

NOT I don't like the way that sounds so they obviously fail as musicians

A long time ago I made a reply to something else and mentioned that I was a girl, and several others were shocked because the ythought I was a guy. After that I made a poll asking whether I seemed more masculine or feminine (the joke option was Pancake) and everybody chose Pancake. So now I am the Pancake. :p

Oh......

fair enough.

*fights the temptation to make poor lemon/suger joke*

Whether you like it or not is neither here nor there to say that all metal musicians are talentless is a ridiculous statement to make. A lot of them are top of their game. Pop is talentless cos most of the performers are just singing someone else's songs or miming.

Yes, pop is talentless, but in a different way. Some pop songs can sound good. NO metal sounds good. Metal is talentless in that it does not please my ears.

I have quite a lot of clue, and I can say, with a certain amount of authority: metal is talentless trash. I can endure a pop song. I can even endure a rap song. I cannot endure metal without wanting to kill myself.

Some (not all) prog falls into this category. Musicians insanely skilled on their instruments but with less songwriting talent than a rock. Look up Keith Emerson.

Please inform Wiki, then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_Boy

Okay. Done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_Boy

Please inform Wiki, then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_Boy

Or not. Ask any members of the scene, and you'll be told FoB are anything but genuine emo.

I am of the opinion that unless it sounds good, it's talentless. I don't care if they can play guitar well. It doesn't come across in the genre of music they practise.

Or perhaps you just don't know what real musical talent is. As a guitarist I can tell you that the skill of bands like Symphony X, Dream Theater, and their ilk comes through just fine in their music. Most people can't play at half the speed they solo at. These bands play in odd time signatues (5/4, 7/4, etc) often, and require amazing rhythm and precision. That doesn't even deal with the level of speed you need to have to shred through the solos they play.

I'd love to see one of your Pop "artists" or Rappers practice half of the time it takes for a metal guitarist to become good. These people have to practice like classical musicians and that means hours a day. Pop singers? Maybe half-an-hour. Rappers? I'll give them a whole hour, if I'm generous.

So much for hearing talent, eh?

I vote Country. Because in any other genre (even metal) I can think of at least two bands that I liked.

Country have Jonny Cash. (OK and maybe Nick Drake too, I put him more as modern classical).

A long time ago I made a reply to something else and mentioned that I was a girl, and several others were shocked because the ythought I was a guy. After that I made a poll asking whether I seemed more masculine or feminine (the joke option was Pancake) and everybody chose Pancake. So now I am the Pancake. :p

Awww....man (sorry woman) I remember that seeing that thread, but I never did read that much so never found out. :(

Until now! :)

EMO. EMO EMO EMO. EMO.

Seriously, emo sucks.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP :headbang:

I could chow down at Taco Bell and FART better music than the "best" (and I use that term very loosely) hip-hop piece ever made.

Morrissey's 1988 observation is still definitive: hip-hop is "a great musical stench."

Or perhaps you just don't know what real musical talent is. As a guitarist I can tell you that the skill of bands like Symphony X, Dream Theater, and their ilk comes through just fine in their music. Most people can't play at half the speed they solo at. These bands play in odd time signatues (5/4, 7/4, etc) often, and require amazing rhythm and precision. That doesn't even deal with the level of speed you need to have to shred through the solos they play.

I'd love to see one of your Pop "artists" or Rappers practice half of the time it takes for a metal guitarist to become good. These people have to practice like classical musicians and that means hours a day. Pop singers? Maybe half-an-hour. Rappers? I'll give them a whole hour, if I'm generous.

So much for hearing talent, eh?

Let's make a difference between instrumental skill and songwriting skill. Lennon/McCartney weren't the greatest guitar and bass combo in the world, but they were among the greatest songwriting teams. The guys in Rush, on the other hand, while really skilled at their instruments, can't write songs very well. How about that?

Or not. Ask any members of the scene, and you'll be told FoB are anything but genuine emo.

And I would take the word of the elitist group of Emos who declare themselves scene, why? I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. FoB and their ilk are modern pop-Emo.

Sure, it's not real Emo, neither is anything else the so-called emo kids listen to, so that really doesn't matter, now does it?

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP :headbang:

I could chow down at Taco Bell and FART better music than the "best" (and I use that term very loosely) hip-hop piece ever made.

Morrissey's 1988 observation is still definitive: hip-hop is "a great musical stench."

You might disagree, but - A Tribe Called Quest is good. A few others that I can't recall right now. I hate all the rest that I've heard.

Let's make a difference between instrumental skill and songwriting skill. Lennon/McCartney weren't the greatest guitar and bass combo in the world, but they were among the greatest songwriting teams. The guys in Rush, on the other hand, while really skilled at their instruments, can't write songs very well. How about that?

Ironically, if I were to pick a better group of songwriters out of the two, I'd pick Rush. The Beatles sound far too generic to me (In part because everything that came after them draws from them). Rush just is more interesting from my perspective.

I'd say that people don't listen to the subtle genious of many Progressive-Metal groups, but I think that it is unnacessible to people without some level of classical training, because so many of the tricks they use are only audible to a trained ear.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP :headbang:

I could chow down at Taco Bell and FART better music than the "best" (and I use that term very loosely) hip-hop piece ever made.

Morrissey's 1988 observation is still definitive: hip-hop is "a great musical stench."

:confused: Morrissey? As in the pop singer and noted racist?

Let's make a difference between instrumental skill and songwriting skill. Lennon/McCartney weren't the greatest guitar and bass combo in the world, but they were among the greatest songwriting teams. The guys in Rush, on the other hand, while really skilled at their instruments, can't write songs very well. How about that?

ok BUT the person here arguing talent (The Mindset) is stating that ALL metal (an entire genre filled with thousands of bands) is talentless. Are you seriously telling me that you can place an entire genre into a catagory like that one?

And I would take the word of the elitist group of Emos who declare themselves scene, why? I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. FoB and their ilk are modern pop-Emo.

Sure, it's not real Emo, neither is anything else the so-called emo kids listen to, so that really doesn't matter, now does it?

ummmm....... yes it does. I'm scene. I listen to Cute is what we aim for, Dashboard Confessional, The Scene Aesthetic, Ice Nine Kills and such. Not Fall out sodding Boy.

ummmm....... yes it does. I'm scene. I listen to Cute is what we aim for, Dashboard Confessional, The Scene Aesthetic, Ice Nine Kills and such. Not Fall out sodding Boy.

Which is almost 90% identical. The only difference is that FoB went out of fashion.

The fact remains that all of it is self-serving melodrama in the same style as Fall out Boy.

And none of it is half as good as Emocore. :D

Ironically, if I were to pick a better group of songwriters out of the two, I'd pick Rush. The Beatles sound far too generic to me (In part because everything that came after them draws from them). Rush just is more interesting from my perspective.

I'd say that people don't listen to the subtle genious of many Progressive-Metal groups, but I think that it is unnacessible to people without some level of classical training, because so many of the tricks they use are only audible to a trained ear.

We could never agree on the Beatles, I think. I am a big fan of the original prog bands, and I think they unfairly get a bad reputation in the States, largely because of the reviews from worthless rags like Rolling Stone.

I cannot endure metal without wanting to kill myself.

In that case I think you had better listen to metal, fast.

ok BUT the person here arguing talent (The Mindset) is stating that ALL metal (an entire genre filled with thousands of bands) is talentless. Are you seriously telling me that you can place an entire genre into a catagory like that one?

No, certainly not. I've heard a bit of rap, even, that I liked, non-gangsta stuff. Same with metal.

ok BUT the person here arguing talent (The Mindset) is stating that ALL metal (an entire genre filled with thousands of bands) is talentless. Are you seriously telling me that you can place an entire genre into a catagory like that one?

All metal sounds horrible, therefore, all metal is devoid of musical merit. I'm bemused by the borderline death threat above, but even moreso by you lot's defense of an utterly undefendable genre. Metal musicians may be talented players, and perhaps even talented songwriters - but as long as the music they play sounds like cats being raped by toothbrushes, it will forever be a talentless morass of shit.

No, certainly not. I've heard a bit of rap, even, that I liked, non-gangsta stuff. Same with metal.
ok.good. you're right about the songwriting/musical ability of some groups though. Beatles wrote catchy songs for the time but musically some of them sucked ass big sty-lee Esp.Ringo.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP :headbang:

I could chow down at Taco Bell and FART better music than the "best" (and I use that term very loosely) hip-hop piece ever made.

Morrissey's 1988 observation is still definitive: hip-hop is "a great musical stench."

You and Morrissey are ignorant, pretentious twits.

All metal sounds horrible, therefore, all metal is devoid of musical merit. I'm bemused by the borderline death threat above, but even moreso by you lot's defense of an utterly undefendable genre. Metal muscians may be talented players, and perhaps even talented songwriters - but as long as the music they play sounds like cats being raped by toothbrushes, it will forever be a talentless morass of shit.

Ah.. I see.

So, basically, facts don't matter. You don't like metal, so it must have no talent.

Right. Cool. We'll ignore you then. :)

All metal sounds horrible, therefore, all metal is devoid of musical merit. I'm bemused by the borderline death threat above, but even moreso by you lot's defense of an utterly undefendable genre. Metal musicians may be talented players, and perhaps even talented songwriters - but as long as the music they play sounds like cats being raped by toothbrushes, it will forever be a talentless morass of shit.

What's wrong with metal? Is it the heavyness of the music, or the triteness of some of it, or what?

What's wrong with metal? Is it the heavyness of the music, or the triteness of some of it, or what?

Some people don't like the fact that metal uses tritones, diminished scales, and the sort. Others don't like heavy distortion. Yet others beleive that all metal singers sound like the popular ones in the US.

That just means that they've judged the genre without knowing anything about it. That's very easy to do.

All metal sounds horrible, therefore, all metal is devoid of musical merit. I'm bemused by the borderline death threat above, but even moreso by you lot's defense of an utterly undefendable genre. Metal musicians may be talented players, and perhaps even talented songwriters - but as long as the music they play sounds like cats being raped by toothbrushes, it will forever be a talentless morass of shit.

Trust me on this, a lot of metal doesn't sound like cats beinfg raped by toothbrushes.

Some people don't like the fact that metal uses tritones, diminished scales, and the sort. Others don't like heavy distortion. Yet others beleive that all metal singers sound like the popular ones in the US.

That just means that they've judged the genre without knowing anything about it. That's very easy to do.

For example, refer to the 21 votes for rap/hip hop.

All metal sounds horrible, therefore, all metal is devoid of musical merit. I'm bemused by the borderline death threat above, but even moreso by you lot's defense of an utterly undefendable genre. Metal musicians may be talented players, and perhaps even talented songwriters - but as long as the music they play sounds like cats being raped by toothbrushes, it will forever be a talentless morass of shit.

:confused: Firstly you just negated your point by contradicting your own argument. And secondly metal can't be undefendable if there are millions of people worldwide buying/listening to it and liking it and some here defending it. You are not being rational on this one. Just stick with you don't like it and cut the talentless bit. [/rant, bored now]

Some people don't like the fact that metal uses tritones, diminished scales, and the sort. Others don't like heavy distortion. Yet others beleive that all metal singers sound like the popular ones in the US.

That just means that they've judged the genre without knowing anything about it. That's very easy to do.

I love that it has dissonance. Makes it sound better, IMO.

For example, refer to the 21 votes for rap/hip hop.

Hey. I voted for rap. I just think that too much of it is now consumed by the shitty, arrogant, 'gangsta' nonsense. Yes, there are other rappers out there (I'm partial to Sage Francis and MC Lars) who do clever stuff, but that most of it is total crap in this day and age.

All metal sounds horrible, therefore, all metal is devoid of musical merit. I'm bemused by the borderline death threat above, but even moreso by you lot's defense of an utterly undefendable genre. Metal musicians may be talented players, and perhaps even talented songwriters - but as long as the music they play sounds like cats being raped by toothbrushes, it will forever be a talentless morass of shit.

Listen to King Crimson's "Red" album. It's not completely metal, but it's heavy and has strong jazz influence along with the distortion. If you don't like that, then we obviously can't argue.

edit: "Larks' Tongues In Aspic Part II" is also a good one.

:confused: Firstly you just negated your point by contradicting your own argument. And secondly metal can't be undefendable if there are millions of people worldwide buying/listening to it and liking it and some here defending it. You are not being rational on this one. Just stick with you don't like it and cut the talentless bit. [/rant, bored now]

I never said I was making a rational argument. My musical tastes are arrogant, obnoxious and elitist. If you disagree with what I deem "bad", according to my standards, you can be nothing but wrong.

Anyone who put ska needs to listen to streetlight manifesto

I love that it has dissonance. Makes it sound better, IMO.

I'm more of a classicist, so I'm of the opinion that dissonance should be used rarely and for the intention of creating resolution, but I see what is interesting about the disonant form.

Anyone who put ska needs to listen to streetlight manifesto

Funny. They're the reason I put Ska down.

Well... Them and Less than Jake.

I never said I was making a rational argument. My musical tastes are arrogant, obnoxious and elitist. If you disagree with what I deem "bad", according to my standards, you can be nothing but wrong.

:rolleyes:

Ah.. I see.

So, basically, facts don't matter. You don't like metal, so it must have no talent.

Right. Cool. We'll ignore you then. :)

^^ :p ^^

Funny. They're the reason I put Ska down.

Well... Them and Less than Jake.

What?

Although Less than Jake are pretty shitty

You and Morrissey are ignorant, pretentious twits.

Now what kind of vocabulary is that? Don't you really mean "You be dum' muthafuckas who don' know shit"?

Keep it real, dog :p

What?

Although Less than Jake are pretty shitty

I don't like their music or their lyrics.

It's a real pity, because The Bosstones were really good, but I haven't heard an interesting Ska group since them.

Now what kind of vocabulary is that? Don't you really mean "You be dum' muthafuckas who don' know shit"?

Keep it real, dog :p

=^_^=

:confused: Morrissey? As in the pop singer and noted racist?

Oooooh, there's that "R-word"! I knew it wouldn't be long! Better shut down this conversation immediately! :rolleyes:

BTW: since Morrissey is also (allegedly) gay, doesn't that give him a net PC-rating of neutral? Hmmm?!

Oooooh, there's that "R-word"! I knew it wouldn't be long! Better shut down this conversation immediately! :rolleyes:

BTW: since Morrissey is also (allegedly) gay, doesn't that give him a net PC-rating of neutral? Hmmm?!

I've heard he's asexual, actually. I don't see why gay or asexual people can't be racist.

Oooooh, there's that "R-word"! I knew it wouldn't be long! Better shut down this conversation immediately! :rolleyes:

BTW: since Morrissey is also (allegedly) gay, doesn't that give him a net PC-rating of neutral? Hmmm?!

Nope, it makes him a gay racist. *shrug* I see no reason why anyone should listen to the opinion of a racist on a genre of music dominated by people of another race.

I've heard he's asexual, actually. I don't see why gay or asexual people can't be racist.

asexual? he reproduces with himself!!! *Rofl*

Ohhhhhh I see:)

Worst three:

Punk Pop
Emo
Thrash Metal

Now what kind of vocabulary is that? Don't you really mean "You be dum' muthafuckas who don' know shit"?

Keep it real, dog :p

Fo' shizzle!:D

asexual? he reproduces with himself!!! *Rofl*

Ohhhhhh I see:)

Oh God, what an image.

Oh God, what an image.

ewww.......not one I'd like to witness!!!!!!!!!!

*clears mind, tries to think of NOTHING*

I don't like their music or their lyrics.

It's a real pity, because The Bosstones were really good, but I haven't heard an interesting Ska group since them.

Check out Suicide Bid

(I have to say that as I know a few of 'em :p )

RAP IS CRAP!:sniper: :upyours:
*bitchslaps 1038278* thats for mis-using the gun smile, the fack off smile, and caps lock.

Punk is dead.

Punk is dead.

How can punk be dead when noone knows what it is?

Punk is dead.
it reminds me of tea cup when somebody says that.

I chose Pop Punk and Country. Early emo was good and I didn't ever hear the word emo when I listened to it. I thought it was just intelligent punk. Pop Punk just sucks, it has always sucked and it will always suck. Country can be good but it is used mostly for evil. I actually like hearing old recordings of blue grass and even hillbilly but I also grew up listening to 80's country music which led me to wander when I was ten years old to find any music that was different. I blame this for my early tapes of (shudder) Paula Abdul, C&C Music Factory, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice. If it wasn't for long car rides devoted to Reba McIntire and Dolly Parton I would have found better music naturally and would not have to rely on my own misguided instincts to find anything different. Luckily, Nirvana, Fugazi, Pearl Jam, Mudhoney and Soundgarden saved me from certain death by sucky.

Punk is dead.

Long live Punk.

Long live Punk.

Too late! It's dead, and has been for a long time! :(

Too late! It's dead, and has been for a long time! :(

It's just in hiding. It's afraid Green Day will spot it and try to claim it as their own.

Punk is dead.

The undefinable is dead.

Good to know.

Crass was wrong when they said that. What makes you so sure you are right?

Prefabricated pop music by such bands and individuals as N Synch and Ashlee Simpson should be at or near the top of the list.

DEFINITIVELY.

and... TECHNO ftw :fluffle:

You all lose the game.

>.>
<.<
Shut up, I know it was from pages ago.

Fuwatto;11631172']DEFINITIVELY.

and... TECHNO ftw :fluffle:

Techno? You mean the unholy offspring of elevator music and drum machine? Surely not: if you meant that kind of techno you'd have said TECHNO ftl instead.

I hate most rap (loathe Eminem) - I don't even consider it music. I am indifferent to most pop, punk and emo music - a lot of it is prefabricrated commercial crap. Metal (gothic/epic), alternative, classical music, electronica (techno and such), germanic folk music and some pop and RnB are the genres of my preference.

I'll say "other" only because I actually try not to form any allegiance to any genre, artist, band, etc. As a result, I've purchased two, maybe three, CDs in the last year, and listen to only nine or ten CDs on a regular basis (my refusal to be enslaved to proprietary portable music players also plays a significant role **quietly awaits the DVD-RW capable portable CD player**).

Actually, any music without lyrics probably stands a somewhat better chance of being purchased than that with lyrics. I think it makes for better music when the meaning must be expressed in the actual sound, and not just outright and obvious with words. Something like that.

(edit: Lyrics spoken in a language I don't understand are more acceptable as 1) I'm not distracted processing language, so the voice simply becomes another instrument, and 2) odds are the music is not American in origin, which is actually a huge plus.

:upyours: ---> RIAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA)/MPAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA)/DMCA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA)/WIPO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO)/etc.)

Arguements about music are funny, because it's all subjective.

rap/punk/emo all suck (emo and punk are actually the same thing)

Good old hard, classic, and metal rule

rap/punk/emo all suck (emo and punk are actually the same thing)

Good old hard, classic, and metal rule

Hell no. "Emo" is music which focuses on the emotional state of a bunch of self-important, melodramatic teenagers and the way they feel oppressed by their parents.

Punk was a movement that rejected the core values of society and built it's own.

Emo is an establishment.

Punk was against the establishment.

The fact that you even compare the two shows that you know nothing about either.

Hell no. "Emo" is music which focuses on the emotional state of a bunch of self-important, melodramatic teenagers and the way they feel oppressed by their parents.

Punk was a movement that rejected the core values of society and built it's own.

Emo is an establishment.

Punk was against the establishment.

The fact that you even compare the two shows that you know nothing about either.

Maybe he's talking not about the original punk but rather about punk-pop and stuff like that, which is definitely an establishment like emo. There's a big difference between The Clash and whatever MTV is toting these days; it's why I made distinction in the poll.

Any genre with the word "grind" in its name.

Maybe he's talking not about the original punk but rather about punk-pop and stuff like that, which is definitely an establishment like emo. There's a big difference between The Clash and whatever MTV is toting these days; it's why I made distinction in the poll.

I thought that by Pop-punk you meant real punk which was also pop. The Descendents, Husker Du, Dag Nasty, NoFX and the sort.'

Because MTV BS like Yellowcard and the sort isn't punk at all. It's Emo.

I thought that by Pop-punk you meant real punk which was also pop. The Descendents, Husker Du, Dag Nasty, NoFX and the sort.'

Because MTV BS like Yellowcard and the sort isn't punk at all. It's Emo.

I guess I didn't mean that, then. If I had, you'd have to throw the Ramones into that category as well, because behind the chainsaw grind they're basically a stripped down pop band. For me, pop-punk/punk-pop is that bullshit that they play on MTV that also sounds kind of close to emo.

Emo and modern Pop. There's alot of really bad rap, but enough good to redeem it.

Raps fails miserbly, and so does Pop or Hip Hop.

Emo is god awful because it's just a bunch of kids whining about nonsense when they shouldn't be whining about anything. I wish they would just slit their wrists, get it over with, and shut up.

Rap is senseless.

Ska is, well I just don't like it much :).

OK Burzum I understand you can have differences with but if you like Death Metal how the heck can you not fail to ejaculate spasmodically when listening to such stone-cold (pun intended) classics as Mayhems 'De Mysterious Dom Santhanas' or Bathorys 'Blood Fire Death'?
The opening to 'Equimanthorn' alone is probably the most ass-kicking metal music(k) i've heard!

I don't really like death metal, but I can tolerate it. The vocals in both genres are the main turnoff for me, but with black metal, the instrumental style annoys me as well.

I enjoy the atmospheric musical approach of doom metal a whole lot more. It's like having sex with foreplay instead of just masturbating really quickly and aimlessly.

I don't really like death metal, but I can tolerate it. The vocals in both genres are the main turnoff for me, but with black metal, the instrumental style annoys me as well.

I enjoy the atmospheric musical approach of doom metal a whole lot more. It's like having sex with foreplay instead of just masturbating really quickly and aimlessly.

I completely agree with you. If I had to pick a favourite genre of metal it would be Doom, I'm not a big fan of the fast wanky Black Metal - like you I prefer the atmosphere and the slow minimal building and developing of themes - BM bands like Darkthrone, Emperor, Von and (to an extent) Celtic Frost. The vocals can be a sticking point though, but if you like Doom i'd definitely recommend listening to a bit of Emperor (you might have heard 'I Am The Black Wizards' before).

Emo is god awful because it's just a bunch of kids whining about nonsense when they shouldn't be whining about anything. I wish they would just slit their wrists, get it over with, and shut up.



Yeah because we never get hurt by anything, living our lives in cotton wool...

I've been to Uganda lately, in some of the poorest areas. People there have it a lot worse than I do, I know it. Doesn't mean the only emotion I'm allowed to express in music is anger.

Every genre has its suck and its sweet, its real and its poseur. Most of the time you can't really tell until ten years down the road from each particular band. For every sincere fiddler with a cowboy hat there's a rhinestone-covered twang-monger, and for every tough, rude, but-salary-paid-by-a-rich-white-executive urban violence monger, there's a smart lyricist stringing rhymes about peace and progress. The supreme obstacle to understanding music in all its ways is how easy it is to take what's given and not peek under the surface of the top twenty countdown.

That being said, my personal preferences eliminate emo, because it's the only music whose culture is rooted in NOT having a good time. Sad is not the new Happy. At least I hope not.

I hate rap. Sorry, I just do. Emo sucks, so does country. I like metal, prog, and pop punk (the good ones, Green Day and Offspring).

I completely agree with you. If I had to pick a favourite genre of metal it would be Doom, I'm not a big fan of the fast wanky Black Metal - like you I prefer the atmosphere and the slow minimal building and developing of themes - BM bands like Darkthrone, Emperor, Von and (to an extent) Celtic Frost. The vocals can be a sticking point though, but if you like Doom i'd definitely recommend listening to a bit of Emperor (you might have heard 'I Am The Black Wizards' before).

Hmm, I downloaded a bit of Emperor's Anthems to the Welkin' at Dusk and actually quite like it. Not wanky at all (so far).

EDIT - actually, this rocks. I might just change my opinion of black metal.

Apply Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap.
















What remains is to sift through it all in order to uncover the other 10% that isn't.

Rap is probably the worst overall, though redeemed a bit by the way it has inspired some interesting discussions on the definition of music. Country is also pretty bad, but mostly due to the fact that you can squeeze enough schmaltz out of one album to fill a 55 gallon drum.

Emo is god awful because it's just a bunch of kids whining about nonsense when they shouldn't be whining about anything. I wish they would just slit their wrists, get it over with, and shut up.

Ah, but they do have something to whine about: their lack of musical skill:D

Rap is probably the worst overall, though redeemed a bit by the way it has inspired some interesting discussions on the definition of music.

Rap isn't the worst, they just put the worst of rap on the radio. Jurassic 5 just came out wit a new album but I would bet they arn't even playing the song that features the Dave Matthews Band on the radio.

Apply Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap.

How very true, although 100% of MTV emo sucks. Real emo however is good, except no one's ever heard Moss Icon or Portraits of Past. :(

hardcore and the subspecies of hardcore

Hip-hop. I'm not wild about rap, and hip-hop is the bastard child of rap.

Hip-hop. I'm not wild about rap, and hip-hop is the bastard child of rap.

I'm pretty sure its the other way around

I'm pretty sure its the other way around



No, rap came first. Hip-hop is to rap what bubblegum pop is to R&R. I've never cared for rap, but it does (or did at one time) have a message, that although often negative and violent, is a little more profound than "let's all get drunk and grab some booty".

No, rap came first. Hip-hop is to rap what bubblegum pop is to R&R. I've never cared for rap, but it does (or did at one time) have a message, that although often negative and violent, is a little more profound than "let's all get drunk and grab some booty".

My understanding is that hip-hop is the music, rap is the vocal style and that the transistion from using the later to describe the genre to the former was mostly to seperate stuff with singing and rapping from 80s/early 90s stuff without it.

Punk-pop and country.

Rap and country are both terrible.

Hell no. "Emo" is music which focuses on the emotional state of a bunch of self-important, melodramatic teenagers and the way they feel oppressed by their parents.

Punk was a movement that rejected the core values of society and built it's own.

Emo is an establishment.

Punk was against the establishment.

The fact that you even compare the two shows that you know nothing about either.

Yep. Its actually "oppressed by society", but who cares. We still look better than you do.

House music sucks. While I do not consider it music, some do.

Hip-hop. Rhymes with "flip-flop" for a start...

Yep. Its actually "oppressed by society", but who cares. We still look better than you do.

I disagree! I'm not punk or emo, though.

Emo should be banned. I dont like the music, but the people who listen to it tend to be damn cute. This means I can neither say it is good nor make a generalised insulting comment along the lines of "all you people who listen to this music are crap". The genre is therefore inconvenient and must be eliminated

Emo should be banned. I dont like the music, but the people who listen to it tend to be damn cute. This means I can neither say it is good nor make a generalised insulting comment along the lines of "all you people who listen to this music are crap". The genre is therefore inconvenient and must be eliminated

Bring it on bitch.:)

*prepares beatbox*

Pop. Definitely. Pop was originally created as a horrible practical joke done by one band, but the craze caught on and before they could reveal that it wuz a joke they all got run over by busses.

And rap was created by satan to win a bit he made w/ god to prove that he could get idiots to listen to anything.

Bring it on bitch.:)

*prepares beatbox*

:D Ok, i give up. Emo allowed. There's far worse music around. YEH! *evil glare* Hip-hop? R&B? Dance? Im lookin' at you. *Gets the napalm ready*

Square dancing music. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Square dancing music. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Not as bad as line dancing music.

Mainstream Rap.

I stress mainstream.

On the list, it's country, followed by the pop stuff made by synthetic bands. Not on the list, there's the folk music produced in German speaking countries. I once thought this kind of music would die out in the next couple of decades, but some years ago I had to realize there are still people below 30 who actually like that crap...

As for people calling rap "no music", that's just ignorance. Of course, for good rap you probably wouldn't go for mainstream stuff, and maybe it shouldn't be produced in the US either (the reason I say this, though, is that the rap from the states I get to hear over here is almost exclusively mainstream...)

Yep. Its actually "oppressed by society", but who cares. We still look better than you do.

Which fits for you vain peacocks. Self-Important whiners may look "good", but it just goes to show a lack of the ability to tell the difference between looking good, and being good.

What message goes with Emo? "My parents hate me and my life is awful. *crai*"

Oh teh noes! :rolleyes:

Find some socially relevant lyrics, and stop listening to pretentious wannabe pop, then we can talk about important things, like artistic merit.

The aboriginal music of the lower amazon and the blowers of gargantuan horns in the alps are the two worst genres of music.

How very true, although 100% of MTV emo sucks. Real emo however is good, except no one's ever heard Moss Icon or Portraits of Past. :(

I like Moss Icon...


That being said, my personal preferences eliminate emo, because it's the only music whose culture is rooted in NOT having a good time. Sad is not the new Happy. At least I hope not.

I don't know if that's a good way to look at music. I don't think all music should be about "having a good time" by any means; I usually find music that revolves solely around that sort of gratification to be lacking in soul. In many cases, melancholy can be an effective tool for creating beautiful music; and anger can often be a good way to deliver a message. While I don't care much for modern emo, I don't think the problem is with the music having the intent of being depressing so much as it being bland and uninventive.

The aboriginal music of the lower amazon and the blowers of gargantuan horns in the alps are the two worst genres of music.

Now you've done it, the Ricola mafia are going to beat you down with their alpenhorns.

I like Moss Icon...



I don't know if that's a good way to look at music. I don't think all music should be about "having a good time" by any means; I usually find music that revolves solely around that sort of gratification to be lacking in soul. In many cases, melancholy can be an effective tool for creating beautiful music; and anger can often be a good way to deliver a message. While I don't care much for modern emo, I don't think the problem is with the music having the intent of being depressing so much as it being bland and uninventive.

I suppose I wasn't crystal clear on my meaning. The whole culture of the entire genre of emo seems to be rooted in sadness. Writing sad songs is fine, being sad is fine, but when depression is the mainstay of an entire genre then there's some kind of weird stuff going on.

:upyours: Punk, :upyours: Ska, :upyours: Emo.. hands down... girly boys singing about sliting their wrists, skating, and just sreeching... they blow... you CAN'T call that rock... why?... because all they are are pop with just a big of guitar...

also bluegrass is horrible as well

:upyours: Punk, :upyours: Ska, :upyours: Emo.. hands down... girly boys singing about sliting their wrists, skating, and just sreeching... they blow... you CAN'T call that rock... why?... because all they are are pop with just a big of guitar...

Erm. Oooohkay....How much punk have you actually listened to?

I suppose I wasn't crystal clear on my meaning. The whole culture of the entire genre of emo seems to be rooted in sadness. Writing sad songs is fine, being sad is fine, but when depression is the mainstay of an entire genre then there's some kind of weird stuff going on.

Okay, I guess I can see your point.

Now you've done it, the Ricola mafia are going to beat you down with their alpenhorns.

They wil never catch me. I can spot lederhosen a mile away.

:upyours: Punk, :upyours: Ska, :upyours: Emo.. hands down... girly boys singing about sliting their wrists, skating, and just sreeching... they blow... you CAN'T call that rock... why?... because all they are are pop with just a big of guitar...

also bluegrass is horrible as well

Heavy metal fan?

Erm. Oooohkay....How much punk have you actually listened to?

What the major label marketers told him was punk, obviously.

It's amazing how skilled they have been at redefining words to fit their means. In this day and age people actually beleive that the big Pop-"Punk" acts actually have an ounce of Punk credibility.

What the major label marketers told him was punk, obviously.

It's amazing how skilled they have been at redefining words to fit their means. In this day and age people actually beleive that the big Pop-"Punk" acts actually have an ounce of Punk credibility.

Sigh. I guess I can remain locked in my cave with the Dead Kennedys to console me.

I love metal bands.
Its my favorite Genre.
And yet, it takes the most talent to do.
How many people could do that?
not alot, that can actually do it good.
Look at Trivium. They are so good its not even possible.
SlipKnot , millions of ppl love em.
Nile, lesser known but hell... great music and instrumentals.

Emo, it sucks, like punk.
Just a bunch of idiots singing like their balls got chopped in half.

Rap is so damn horrible.
Turn on a Yamaha keyboard pre-fab beat and start talking about how
'thug' you are and making rediculous motions with your hands ... wow, talent.
I applaud you for taking so long to be good at this when any 3 year old can talk to a beat.
Where is the band in rap? none.

I stand on Metal as being the best.

Sigh. I guess I can remain locked in my cave with the Dead Kennedys to console me.

"Punk's not dead it just deserves to die
When it becomes a stale cartoon"

:D

Edit: Were they taking a shot at Crass, or just a shot at the growing corruption of the Hardcore scene?

I love metal bands.
Its my favorite Genre.
And yet, it takes the most talent to do..

As a metal fan, I say that's pretty subjective....

SlipKnot , millions of ppl love em.

Millions of kids...

Emo, it sucks, like punk.
Just a bunch of idiots singing like their balls got chopped in half.

Slayer, Metallica, etc. didn't agree with you. ;)

Rap is so damn horrible.
Turn on a Yamaha keyboard pre-fab beat and start talking about how
'thug' you are and making rediculous motions with your hands ... wow, talent.
I applaud you for taking so long to be good at this when any 3 year old can talk to a beat.
Where is the band in rap? none.


Utter rubbish. There is plenty of rap with a real message, unlike the commercialised crap in the mainstream.

Anyway, I have a track for you. Anthrax feat. Public Enemy - Bring Tha Noise.

Actually, two.

"Born Dead" by Bodycount.


I'm curious though, I often hear how "anyone" can rap, but I don't see many people proving that point.

"Punk's not dead it just deserves to die
When it becomes a stale cartoon"

:D

Heh, perfect song to prove a point. :D

Edit: Were they taking a shot at Crass, or just a shot at the growing corruption of the Hardcore scene?

The latter, almost definitely.

Heh, perfect song to prove a point. :D

Biafra may not have really known how perfect the lyrics were, but in hindsight, it's clear just how right he was.

The latter, almost definitely.

I thought as much, but at the same time I didn't know how the anarcho-punks felt about the vast majority of American Hardcore Punks. I know that Ian Mackaye got along with Crass, but for all of the similarities of the two movements, they were a world apart.

I thought as much, but at the same time I didn't know how the anarcho-punks felt about the vast majority of American Hardcore Punks. I know that Ian Mackaye got along with Crass, but for all of the similarities of the two movements, they were a world apart.

Well, i've heard that Biafra identifies as an anarchist too, so I doubt there was any bad blood between them.

Well, i've heard that Biafra identifies as an anarchist too, so I doubt there was any bad blood between them.

He is, although he also says "Humanity isn't ready for anarchism"

No, the issue which I was thinking of was the massive cultural difference between Hardcore and Anarcho-Punk. The Anarcho-Punk scene was everything that Hardcore pretended to be. Wheras most Hardcore kids were from Middle class homes (OC-Punk being the most obvious exabmples), playing at cultural rebellion while having a nice clean bed to sleep in at the end of the day. Anarcho-Punks tended towards living in squats, and they tended to be older than the Hardcore crowd, which would die as kids grew out of it and went to college.

Hmm, I downloaded a bit of Emperor's Anthems to the Welkin' at Dusk and actually quite like it. Not wanky at all (so far).

EDIT - actually, this rocks. I might just change my opinion of black metal.

Heh, I thought so... have you listened to 'I Am The Black Wizards' by them yet?