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My girlfriend and I are both college teachers, and we discovered this term that we each have an odd student. Mine claims to speak Elvish, while hers claims to speak Klingon. We disagree as to which of our students is the bigger geek.

So I submit it to you, and will subject myself to the wise(?) judgment of NS General. Which one is the bigger geek?

Take the poll.

My girlfriend and I are both college teachers, and we discovered this term that we each have an odd student. Mine claims to speak Elvish, while hers claims to speak Klingon. We disagree as to which of our students is the bigger geek.

So I submit it to you, and will subject myself to the wise(?) judgment of NS General. Which one is the bigger geek?

Take the poll.


Elvish, it's far more obscure. Klingon is certainly geeky, but they could always work for paramount.

of course the student who speaks Klingon is actually a little bit cooler, being that I am uber cool and I can speak Kilingon (you know it's a real language right?)

Elvish. At least with Klingon you'll be respected by Star Trek fans. With Elvish, even LOTR fans will think you're weird.

Elvish is an incredibly beautiful language which sometimes I wish was in common usage.

Klingon is an incredibly cool language which I would love to speak, but alas I can never seem to get my hands on a dictionary.

Both are relatively complex... But I can't quite decide on the poll. I wish there was a fourth, "Klingon = Elvish = Geeky" option.

Liking LOTR is more accepted than liking ST so I'd say.... Klingon? Though it's a pretty close call :p

There's actually a band that does their music in Klingong language, now they're geeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovokor_%28band%29

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.

She sounds like an awesome person. I'd love to swagger around with a billowing cape. Unfortunately I am too self-concious.

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.

yes, you clearly wouldn't want to sway the poll, no siree.

so what's riding on the outcome of the poll then?

Liking LOTR is more accepted than liking ST so I'd say.... Klingon? Though it's a pretty close call :p

Too close for me to vote. Besides, I'm biased to neutrality, having dabbled in both before determining I was too lazy to ever complete either.:(

yes, you clearly wouldn't want to sway the poll, no siree.

so what's riding on the outcome of the poll then?Nothing, actually. She doesn't even know about it.

For the record, I think my student is geekier, but that all things being equal, speaking Klingon is geekier, only by a hair.

yes, you clearly wouldn't want to sway the poll, no siree.

so what's riding on the outcome of the poll then?


Isn't it obvious? The geekiest one will be expelled from college!

...

Or something even worse....... :mp5:

I think klingon has probably got more stuff about it on the internet, so despite being uber geeky it does not take as much dedication to learn as elvish, which is in some old books.

Or something even worse....... :mp5:

the geekier student---> :p :gundge:

:eek:

I don't think the students will apreciate you bitching about them on the internet though :D

Mine claims to speak Elvish, while hers claims to speak Klingon.

so how did that come up, exactly?

back in high school they'd periodically have some sort of a survey about langauges you spoke and were spoken in your home. i usually answered that the primary language spoken at my house was gibberish and that i was natively fluent in it, with english as my second language.

I don't think the students will apreciate you bitching about them on the internet though :D

Fuck 'em.

My girlfriend and I are both college teachers, and we discovered this term that we each have an odd student. Mine claims to speak Elvish, while hers claims to speak Klingon. We disagree as to which of our students is the bigger geek.

So I submit it to you, and will subject myself to the wise(?) judgment of NS General. Which one is the bigger geek?

Take the poll.

I want to know if that Klingon speaker can fight with a bat'leth or not.

of course the student who speaks Klingon is actually a little bit cooler, being that I am uber cool and I can speak Kilingon (you know it's a real language right?)

What do you mean a "real language"? It's no more real than Elvish. Klingon was constructed by Marc Okrand and the Elvish languages by J.R.R. Tolkien.

(you know it's a real language right?)

are there now or have there ever been people who were brought up speaking it as their primary language?

of course the student who speaks Klingon is actually a little bit cooler, being that I am uber cool and I can speak Kilingon (you know it's a real language right?)

Some geek translated the bible into Klingon! I'm wondering if that's how you became religious! :p

*wondering when the :cool: names are coming*

D'oh! And I wanted to vote for the one speaking Elvish to be the bigger geek.

Anyway. They are. What would you need Elvish for? Ever seen an elf? But I have met Klingons, hell, I even took a picture with them. They all spoke Klingon. So there.

Klingon is far more useful a language to boast. http://www.sternis-smiley.net/klingone2.gif Qapla' batlh je!

Elves are hot. Elven is airy and hot, sort of like French. Klingon is spoken by big unsightly dorks. Klingon wins this one hands down...

I'm gunna have to vote for elfish.

Klingon is certainly geeky, but Star Trek really just doesn't matter anymore.

Plus, I think elfish has a much broader etymology and vocabulary, plus its more fully formed. I knew a kid in high school who leanred elfish, he had something like a 2000 page binder on every facet of elfish. He was also pretty damn geeky. Had his robotics club membership and everything.

are there now or have there ever been people who were brought up speaking it as their primary language?

That doesn't matter. What determines it as a real language is the required syntax, grammar, construction, all that jazz that goes into any language. Klingon AND Elvish both have that. Thusly, whether you disagree or not, they are real languages, just as real as Esperanto is, for instance.

(I'd include a retort about how if there are infinite universes then the Star Trek and LOTR universes exist out there somewhere and thusly there ARE native speakers of these languages, but that's not going to get me anywhere.)

are there now or have there ever been people who were brought up speaking it as their primary language?
You forgot the Klingons! *nods*

That doesn't matter. What determines it as a real language is the required syntax, grammar, construction, all that jazz that goes into any language. Klingon AND Elvish both have that. Thusly, whether you disagree or not, they are real languages, just as real as Esperanto is, for instance.
Precisement. :)

D'oh! And I wanted to vote for the one speaking Elvish to be the bigger geek.

Anyway. They are. What would you need Elvish for? Ever seen an elf? But I have met Klingons, hell, I even took a picture with them. They all spoke Klingon. So there.

Klingon is far more useful a language to boast. http://www.sternis-smiley.net/klingone2.gif Qapla' batlh je!

...success honor...what?

Elves are hot. Elven is airy and hot, sort of like French. Klingon is spoken by big unsightly dorks. Klingon wins this one hands down...
There's nothing airy about this one. But I'm sure her writing will be terrific, as she apparently does a lot of it, and that's all that matters as far as the course is concerned.

Anyway. They are. What would you need Elvish for? Ever seen an elf?

*thinks about Liv Tyler in LOTR*
:p

That doesn't matter. What determines it as a real language is the required syntax, grammar, construction, all that jazz that goes into any language. Klingon AND Elvish both have that. Thusly, whether you disagree or not, they are real languages, just as real as Esperanto is, for instance.

well, they are certainly real constructed languages. but i'd argue that to be a real language it would have to display the important properties of natural languages - mainly, that they are or have been used natively somewhere, that they have or had a language community using them as a primary mode of communication, and that they not be static but rather do or did evolve (which is sort of the natural outcome of the first two points).

esperanto has a sort of border existence there, because it does have a few native speakers running about, though not really in any well defined community.

Esperanto, if we're talking about made-up languages that people with too much time and nerditude on their hands learn, than esperanto is definitely geekier than either Klingon or Elvish (at least those geeks admit that they have a worthless hobby and don't get on some righteous high horse about non-prejudicial languages, etc).
However, given the limited choices at hand: Klingon is geekier than Elvish. Why? Because the LotR movies are just a couple years old, giving them (and therefore elvish) much greater cultural relevancy than a few lame TV shows that quit making new episodes back in the 90's.

*snip*
Good points. Although in the past, before the movies proliferated Tolkien's works, I suppose it would've been just as geeky. I consider LOTR much deeper and well thought out than Star Trek though and Quenya a rather beautiful construct on Tolkien's part, not what I'd call geeky exactly.

It would've been nice if people just chose Latin for a universal language. ^^

There's nothing airy about this one. But I'm sure her writing will be terrific, as she apparently does a lot of it, and that's all that matters as far as the course is concerned.
Oh I meant the language itself. It has a very airy element to it. Almost perfect fluidity. As I said, somewhat similar to French.

than a few lame TV shows that quit making new episodes back in the 90's.

LAME?!

*eye twitch*

...must stay calm. Must stay calm. Must stay calm...

As for the point about native speakers...well, the only thing I have to respond to that is to point at my comment about the Many Worlds theory after all.

If Universes=Infinite
Then All Fiction Must Exist In A Universe
Else I Lose The Argument.

The Klingon is more dangerous than the elf. Also written elvish is more decorative. (http://www.starchamber.com/paracelsus/elvish/elvish-in-ten-minutes.html) So I'd say the Klingon is a bit weirder than the elf (but not much, especially considering the cape) and therfore geekiest.

Klingon, but only because Star Trek is slightly geekier than LOTR. Besides, elvish is teh cool.

The Klingon is more dangerous than the elf. Also written elvish is more decorative. (http://www.starchamber.com/paracelsus/elvish/elvish-in-ten-minutes.html) So I'd say the Klingon is a bit weirder than the elf (but not much, especially considering the cape) and therfore geekiest.

Ah, I know that site. I used to be able to write rather well in elvish script thanks to that. I should practice that.

One question: will the outcome of this poll affect what you minor in?

:p

...success honor...what?

"Qapla' batlh je!" = "Success Honor_and!"

Success and Honor. Like in Latin: SPQR Senatus Populusque Romanus. Instead of atque or et in between senate and people.

One question: will the outcome of this poll affect what you minor in?

:p

...Nazz is the professor, you oaf.

German Nightmare: Ah. But the statement is meaningless. I mean, sure, we all want success and honor, but you're not talking about anything in particular. You're just saying it.

...okay, I'm going to shut up before I start going into full Trek mode.

LAME?!

*eye twitch*
I'll admit to thinking that Next Generation was pretty cool back in the day, but now I am mature enough to see the incredibly clumsy social commentary for what it is. I mean, the pot fumes in the script writing offices must have been thick enough to lay low a thousand Republicans.
As to the others . . . Well, spending one's Friday Night arguing about the relative merist of the various incarnations of Star Trek is quite possibly the geekiest thing humanly possible, short of getting hit on the head by a brick and becoming convinced that you are Captain Kirk.

The Klingon is more dangerous than the elf. Also written elvish is more decorative. (http://www.starchamber.com/paracelsus/elvish/elvish-in-ten-minutes.html) So I'd say the Klingon is a bit weirder than the elf (but not much, especially considering the cape) and therfore geekiest.

I am already confused looking at that elvish. I'd say that there is an equal amount of geekiness involved in learning any ficticious language.

My girlfriend and I are both college teachers, and we discovered this term that we each have an odd student. Mine claims to speak Elvish, while hers claims to speak Klingon. We disagree as to which of our students is the bigger geek.

So I submit it to you, and will subject myself to the wise(?) judgment of NS General. Which one is the bigger geek?

Take the poll.

well, I've seen Klingon Language Books... never saw an elvish one.

I'll admit to thinking that Next Generation was pretty cool back in the day, but now I am mature enough to see the incredibly clumsy social commentary for what it is. I mean, the pot fumes in the script writing offices must have been thick enough to lay low a thousand Republicans.
As to the others . . . Well, spending one's Friday Night arguing about the relative merist of the various incarnations of Star Trek is quite possibly the geekiest thing humanly possible, short of getting hit on the head by a brick and becoming convinced that you are Captain Kirk.

Of course, this begs the question of whether geeky is a bad thing or not.

I'll agree that as I've grown and matured I've found that much of Star Trek lost its appeal...to some extent. DS9, however, has constantly grown on me. Perhaps it's due to the fact that it has the best writing of any series in the entire Trek universe. Perhaps it's the mature political commentary. Perhaps it's just because I still love Trek for its optimistic, accepting, tolorant, and awesome-technologically filled self. Who knows?

I do know one thing, however: it's not worth arguing about with a non Trekkie. If you don't like Trek, don't watch it. Just don't go ranting and raving and insulting it to our faces. I don't insult your interests. I ask the same from you, is all.
(Yes, I'm fully aware you didn't really rant or rave or anything. I'm just covering all bases here. No offense intended, of course.)

well, I've seen Klingon Language Books... never saw an elvish one.
Keep in mind Star Trek has been popular for a longer time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Languages-Tolkiens-Middle-earth-Ruth-Noel/dp/0395291305/ref=pd_bxgy_w_h__text_b/026-9720362-2555646?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.co.uk/An-Introduction-Elvish-Other-Tongues-Proper-Names-Writing-Systems-Third-Age-/dp/0905220102/sr=8-4/qid=1157150089/ref=sr_1_4/026-9720362-2555646?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

The Klingon is geekier because Elves and Elvish are in more different stories.
Elvish would be of more use than Klingon.
Why learn Klingon, they'll just destroy you anyways...

One question: will the outcome of this poll affect what you minor in?

:pHeh. I'm a bit beyond that these days. I'm on the other side of the equation, you might say.

Of course, this begs the question of whether geeky is a bad thing or not.
Pft, as if it needs to be asked... geeks rock!

Keep in mind Star Trek has been popular for a longer time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Languages-Tolkiens-Middle-earth-Ruth-Noel/dp/0395291305/ref=pd_bxgy_w_h__text_b/026-9720362-2555646?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.co.uk/An-Introduction-Elvish-Other-Tongues-Proper-Names-Writing-Systems-Third-Age-/dp/0905220102/sr=8-4/qid=1157150089/ref=sr_1_4/026-9720362-2555646?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

LOTR predates Star Trek by quite a few years, if we're talking about the books, right? I had friends in high school who were all into the language and runes and the like, and my generation surely wasn't the first one. This was well before the LOTR films (My 20 year high school reunion is next spring, after all).

What do you mean a "real language"? It's no more real than Elvish. Klingon was constructed by Marc Okrand and the Elvish languages by J.R.R. Tolkien.

Star Trek is real damn it!

are there now or have there ever been people who were brought up speaking it as their primary language?
you mean other than Klingons :rolleyes:































:D

I am already confused looking at that elvish. I'd say that there is an equal amount of geekiness involved in learning any ficticious language.

Oh no. Some are far geekier. I nominate Sarus as the geekiest. It is a modernisation of a 19th century concept language called Solresol by Frenchman Jean Francois Sudré. Srus uses letters colors numbers and musical notes for communication.


Sarus discussion board (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Brackenwood/index.php?showforum=22)

The name Sarus is derived from 'srs' which in the language itself, simply means 'language'

Imagine if the notes of a flute, or a sequence of colours actually had a specific meaning. Wouldn't you love to learn that language? You could have a song where the lyrics means one thing, but the tune itself means something completely different.. You could have a tapestry or a painting in which the colours tell their own story. etc etc etc



http://www.biteycastle.com/images/drfrtdm.gif

Above image: At first glance, this is a simple message, simply decorated... but anyone who can read Sarus will see that there's a hidden message which says "your mother is insane"

so how did that come up, exactly?

back in high school they'd periodically have some sort of a survey about langauges you spoke and were spoken in your home. i usually answered that the primary language spoken at my house was gibberish and that i was natively fluent in it, with english as my second language.
I always put "sarcasm" as my families primary language.

LOTR predates Star Trek by quite a few years, if we're talking about the books, right? I had friends in high school who were all into the language and runes and the like, and my generation surely wasn't the first one. This was well before the LOTR films (My 20 year high school reunion is next spring, after all).
arrrgghhh, it encroaches...

I would say that Klingon is the geekier since there is a literary and 'test of time' thing going for elvish. Elvish can just be a way to appreciate a piece of...hold on a second...

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.

Oh my, we have a winner! Yeah, unless the Klingon dude wears ridges on his forehead and salutes your girlfriend before he answers a question, you have the bigger geek, hands down. Congratulations!

Star Trek is real damn it!

Only in the minds of Trekkies.

By the way, you know Spock never said anything clever. It was the writers!!!!! Ha ha ha ha!!!! :D

Star Trek is real damn it!

"Real good" maybe (matter of opinion, of course. And willingness to use incorrect grammar).

Oh no. Some are far geekier. I nominate Sarus as the geekiest. It is a modernisation of a 19th century concept language called Solresol by Frenchman Jean Francois Sudré. Srus uses letters colors numbers and musical notes for communication.


Sarus discussion board (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Brackenwood/index.php?showforum=22)

I feel what little coolness I have slipping away just reading a little bit of that. :eek:

LOTR predates Star Trek by quite a few years, if we're talking about the books, right? I had friends in high school who were all into the language and runes and the like, and my generation surely wasn't the first one. This was well before the LOTR films (My 20 year high school reunion is next spring, after all).


Uh huh, ...geeky "friends" spoke in elvish but never you. :D :D :p

Only in the minds of Trekkies.

By the way, you know Spock never said anything clever. It was the writers!!!!! Ha ha ha ha!!!! :D

AHEM.

Many Worlds theory. INFINITE UNIVERSES! Must I repeat it YET AGAIN for it to penetrate? Fortunately for you, whatever bloody fictional thing you love is also real, in that sense. Everything is.

...which, when you think about it, is quite disturbing...

I feel what little coolness I have slipping away just reading a little bit of that. :eek:

But but..it is the language of the Yu Yu who silently communicate by flashing eye colors to one another! How cool is that?:eek: :confused: :p

Uh huh, ...geeky "friends" spoke in elvish but never you. :D :D :pNone of us ever spoke it, but one guy did cover everything he had in runes. That got old real quick.

Besides, that was freshman year. By the time we were sophomores, we were into Black Flag and the Femmes and that whole scene.

AHEM.

Many Worlds theory. INFINITE UNIVERSES! Must I repeat it YET AGAIN for it to penetrate? Fortunately for you, whatever bloody fictional thing you love is also real, in that sense. Everything is.

...which, when you think about it, is quite disturbing...

Ok, in another universe Spock actually made up his own lines. :D

Alright, I suppose there could be a universe where the events in Star Trek actually occured. However I bet in that universe their "stardates" would actually match up. They make absolutely no sense you know. They follow no order that anyone can make out.

By the way, THIS is my fictional universe! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse

AHEM.

Many Worlds theory. INFINITE UNIVERSES! Must I repeat it YET AGAIN for it to penetrate? Fortunately for you, whatever bloody fictional thing you love is also real, in that sense. Everything is.

...which, when you think about it, is quite disturbing...

Im pretty sure this particular time space continuum is finite. Hopefully not but there seems to be a far edge.

Klingon is geekier.

Elvish is nice beautiful language, that I would love to know. No geekiness. The fact that there is not much persons who speak it makes it similar to Latin. And unlike Klingon, Elvish is real.

Ok, in another universe Spock actually made up his own lines. :D

Alright, I suppose there could be a universe where the events in Star Trek actually occured. However I bet in that universe their "stardates" would actually match up. They make absolutely no sense you know. They follow no order that anyone can make out.

By the way, THIS is my fictional universe! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse

That stuff in the link intrigues me.

And yeah, I know all about the stardates. So many authors have proposed different ways of making sense of them, too. I like the Reeves-Stevens' idea best. It's in Book II of their Millenium Trilogy, a damned good series of books(DS9 related). I frankly believe they're the three best pieces of Star Trek literature written. Period. Most Star Trek written material is garbage at BEST. This...this competes with some damned other good stuff I've read, for once.

Anyway, we're straying off topic.

Not Bad: What I meant was an infinite number of universes. Thus, anything that can happen, does happen, in different universes. Meaning that in one I'm surpreme ruler of Earth.

...which is actually quite unappealing. It seems like so much hard work...

Keep in mind Star Trek has been popular for a longer time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Languages-Tolkiens-Middle-earth-Ruth-Noel/dp/0395291305/ref=pd_bxgy_w_h__text_b/026-9720362-2555646?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.co.uk/An-Introduction-Elvish-Other-Tongues-Proper-Names-Writing-Systems-Third-Age-/dp/0905220102/sr=8-4/qid=1157150089/ref=sr_1_4/026-9720362-2555646?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

LOTR was first published in 1954 (complete with elvish!) - way before Star trek.

*snip*
Above image: At first glance, this is a simple message, simply decorated... but anyone who can read Sarus will see that there's a hidden message which says "your mother is insane"

Apparently, she's not the only one.
Yes, looking at this website I think that I have discovered the geekiest thing in all the infinite universes and, most importantly, I must be a part of it. The Colors, they speak to me in 1, 2 or 3 syllable words, and I must obey . . .

Apparently, she's not the only one.
Yes, looking at this website I think that I have discovered the geekiest thing in all the infinite universes and, most importantly, I must be a part of it. The Colors, they speak to me in 1, 2 or 3 syllable words, and I must obey . . .

Is it wrong that I think that this is the coolest thing ever?

Klingons fucking kick ass.

That stuff in the link intrigues me.

I hope so. I believe that series has to be the best in science fiction. :)

And yeah, I know all about the stardates. So many authors have proposed different ways of making sense of them, too. I like the Reeves-Stevens' idea best. It's in Book II of their Millenium Trilogy, a damned good series of books(DS9 related). I frankly believe they're the three best pieces of Star Trek literature written. Period. Most Star Trek written material is garbage at BEST. This...this competes with some damned other good stuff I've read, for once.

I suppose I'll have to take your word for it. I really don't like many Star Trek or Star Wars books simply because the writing is often so simply written. Not much backround detail is given and the stories often resolve themselves too quickly to really satisfy me.

Not Bad: What I meant was an infinite number of universes. Thus, anything that can happen, does happen, in different universes. Meaning that in one I'm surpreme ruler of Earth.

...which is actually quite unappealing. It seems like so much hard work...

I am aware of this theory. It is great that any little difference you could possibly think up would mean another universe. I think I'd like to go with benevolent aliens meeting us a century ago so that today our lives are much better then they actually are in real life.

are there now or have there ever been people who were brought up speaking it as their primary language?

Yes, actually. It's one of the few constructed languages to have native speakers (Esperanto is another). I quote:

"Dr. d'Armond Speers is an American computational linguist and a member of the Klingon Language Institute.

He graduated from Georgetown University in the Spring of 2002. His dissertation topic was "Representation of American Sign Language for Machine Translation."

Dr. Speers is known for having undertaken the endeavour to raise his child bilingually in English and Klingon; Speers spoke in Klingon and his wife in English. A few years into his life, the child began rejecting Klingon and gravitating towards English, as he could use English with many more speakers. The fact that Klingon lacked many words for things that were important in a baby's life, such as "diaper", and "pacifier", was a lesser issue. At the time of Speers' attempt, Klingon even lacked words for many objects common around the house, such as "table". The experiment ultimately failed when the child refused to use Klingon when he got older."

Is it wrong that I think that this is the coolest thing ever?
Oh no, its perfectly natural, and not at all a sign of a diseased mind.

Not Bad: What I meant was an infinite number of universes. Thus, anything that can happen, does happen, in different universes. Meaning that in one I'm surpreme ruler of Earth.

...which is actually quite unappealing. It seems like so much hard work...

Then we must work to band together with other universes in order to destroy the one forcing you to be supreme ruler against your wishes. Think of the children!

Dr. Speers is known for having undertaken the endeavour to raise his child bilingually in English and Klingon; Speers spoke in Klingon and his wife in English."
That's just being cruel to the poor kid, like those serial killers whose parent's forced them to go to school while wearing a dress.

Apparently, she's not the only one.
Yes, looking at this website I think that I have discovered the geekiest thing in all the infinite universes and, most importantly, I must be a part of it. The Colors, they speak to me in 1, 2 or 3 syllable words, and I must obey . . .

OOOOO Hark at who's "discoved" the ultimate geekiness. My flag was planted there first!

Elvish is geekier.

Oh no, its perfectly natural, and not at all a sign of a diseased mind.

*nods*
If only we could use musical notes on this forum. BTW there are animations which have secret messages in Sarus leading to small prizes on the net when you become fluent.

Oh no, its perfectly natural, and not at all a sign of a diseased mind.

ldm srt!

OOOOO Hark at who's "discoved" the ultimate geekiness. My flag was planted there first!
Can you name the first man to cross the land bridge into the modern North American continent? What about the name of the first viking to strike land on the west coast?
But everyone knows that Columbus sailed the ocean blue, because he made the most noise about having gotten there first (and even then a smart-assed Italian usurped his place in the atlas).
I'm not sure what my point is, accept that, to be truly PC, we must remember that there were people on that website before us, and that, therefore, we haven't "discovered" anything.

This is a ridiculously difficult poll to answer.

They're both fictional languages, with fanbases basically entirely composed of nerds...

Urmm I'm going to say Klingon, simply because to dress up as an elf takes little bits on your ears, to dress up as a Klingon requires donning a whole load of ludicrous headgear.

ldm srt!
There has to be an "ss" in there somewhere, to make it an imperitive. I'm not sure where, though, or if positioning matters.

Can you name the first man to cross the land bridge into the modern North American continent? What about the name of the first viking to strike land on the west coast?


Coincidentally they were both named Amos and both were called no-neck by their friends in their native languages. It's a small world sometimes.

There has to be an "ss" in there somewhere, to make it an imperitive. I'm not sure where, though, or if positioning matters.

Ah, yes. Hmmmm.

Well dm ss ldm str!

Well, I still haven't decided which is geekier. It all depends on your definition of geek, and whether--of course--geek is a bad thing. Frankly, I don't think it is. Everyone has their interests. There are people who are almost ridiculously into sports, knowing every aspect of everything about their particular one, be it the various stats of their favorite players, to all the rules and plays and whatever goes on in such a sport. Yet we don't call those people weird or obsessed. Indeed, oftentimes they're considered quite normal. Yet those of us who do the same with a series of television shows, or with a series of books, or with anything similar are not? Frankly, I don't see the difference. It's the exact same activity: all that is different is the subject material.

If someone told me that they could speak Elvish, I'd be amazed and think that was really cool. Can't say the same about Klingon.

This a hard choice. On one hand I've always despised elves, being a big fan of orcs myself. On the other hand star trek is just naff. It's a close one but I'll go with klingon as being more geeky, star trek is extremely boring.

If someone told me that they could speak Elvish, I'd be amazed and think that was really cool. Can't say the same about Klingon.

That's because Klingons are disgusting animals while Elves are dignified and just plain cooler.

That's because Klingons are disgusting animals while Elves are dignified and just plain cooler.Of course. It's because Klingon is an American language, while Elvish is British.

Of course. It's because Klingon is an American language, while Elvish is British.

Okay, I was going to let the Klingon comment slide, but that was just idiotic and downright ignorant of you, Laerod. Americans are not as a whole ignorant, uncivilized rabble anymore than the British as a whole are dignified upper-class elites, and you damned well know that.

Okay, I was going to let the Klingon comment slide, but that was just idiotic and downright ignorant of you, Laerod. Americans are not as a whole ignorant, uncivilized rabble anymore than the British as a whole are dignified upper-class elites, and you damned well know that.Maybe I should have added a smily to avoid confusion then.

Of course. It's because Klingon is an American language, while Elvish is British.

One word, mate: chavs. :p

One word, mate: chavs. :pI still haven't figured out what that's supposed to mean... :(

As to the question of which is the geekier student, I have to ask (and yes, I've had to much to drink to be arsed to read the whole bloody thread :p ) what the genders of the students are.

I still haven't figured out what that's supposed to mean... :(

A Brit could explain it better, I'm sure. They're like what some call "yo-boys" here in the US.

A Brit could explain it better, I'm sure. They're like what some call "yo-boys" here in the US.Considering that this is the first time I've run accross that term, that may not have helped me much, though the "yo" seems vaguely reminiscient of the Fresh Prince of Belair.

Considering that this is the first time I've run accross that term, that may not have helped me much, though the "yo" seems vaguely reminiscient of the Fresh Prince of Belair.


It's a term used to describe whites -- mostly kids -- who act all "ghetto."

Considering that this is the first time I've run accross that term, that may not have helped me much, though the "yo" seems vaguely reminiscient of the Fresh Prince of Belair.

Chavs are white trash, he means.

Considering that this is the first time I've run accross that term, that may not have helped me much, though the "yo" seems vaguely reminiscient of the Fresh Prince of Belair.

Hard to explain Chav. Think "bad taste in clothes", "voluntary unemployment", "hostile or even violent attitude to others", "pregnant at young age" (for females) and you might get the idea.

A Brit could explain it better, I'm sure. They're like what some call "yo-boys" here in the US.

...No they aren't. They're called wiggers, and they should be laughed at. At all times.

I quite like this definition:


Derived from Chatham in Kent, this term can be applied loosely to every culture with a nasty, thieving element. There are many variants of this creature but all are subject to the following commonalities:

Chavs are completely Amoral, having never been subjected to right and wrong by their inattentive, uncaring and often absent parents.

Chavs are part Magpie, evidentially supported by their love of all things shiny, or as vaccuous, illiterate street-slang would say 'Bling'. They can be seen twokking from the Jewelry counter in Argos/Index.

Whatever their ethnic background, Chavs have a built-in affinity to hip-hop/R&B, even if they are inherently racist (see the Scottish). They see their life as glamorous and cool.

Chavs are for the most part, extremely stupid. However, some of them render a form of low cunning, which can be misinterpreted as intelligence. However this is false. A Chav has no desire to better themself through honest means nor learn anything outside of car modification.

All chavs think that they are nails. Again, this is false. Sitting in a beaten up nova smoking lamberts does not precipitate a healthy body. The irony being that a Chav owns mainly sportswear, yet will only break a sweat if running from the police.

Chavs are incredibly fertile beasts, and are highly successful breeders. Where they come unstuck is having to look after the offspring which their 13 yr old drunken fumble produces. More often that not the child will crow to be a Chav, having received no more guidance on life than the parent.

Chavs have a fond love for cars, as well as a Vin Diesel fixation. Rather than buy a nice car to start with, a chav will spend all their dole and tax-free labouring cash on upgrading a 10 year old car with 200,000 miles on the clock. The end product will invariably be a luminous monstrosity with at least one serious collision to it's name.

A couple of false definitions: wigger, working-class

...No they aren't. They're called wiggers, and they should be laughed at. At all times.

Only if you like using a derivative of a certain other word...

I don't think the students will apreciate you bitching about them on the internet though :D
Bitching about them? :confused: This is a NationStates chat forum. "Geek" can roughly be translated to "someone we like".

Klingon!

Though, I voted that mainly because I know a couple words in Elvish...:p

Elves are hot. Elven is airy and hot, sort of like French. Klingon is spoken by big unsightly dorks. Klingon wins this one hands down...

French is lame; its overabundance of vowels helps make it sound like coughing up milky phlegm during an apoplectic fit. And elves aren't hot. The only hot elf is that one in LOTR, and really she wasn't anything special compared to the hot human chick in the second movie.

Elvish gets my vote for geekishness. Though only barely. I mean it's up against Klingon.

Klingon, because star trek is waaaaaaay more nerdy than lord of hte rings

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.

This is the one thing I miss about teaching -- not that we had that many weirdos at Georgia Tech. The number of folks that dress like an elf in the commercial world are few and far between.

Although we did have a fellow working for us that looked very much like the Travelocity gnome. We caught him eating Keebler elf crackers one day and accused him of cannibalism.

Only if you like using a derivative of a certain other word...

Suits me. Going to summon the semantic police?

French is lame; its overabundance of vowels helps make it sound like coughing up milky phlegm during an apoplectic fit. And elves aren't hot. The only hot elf is that one in LOTR, and really she wasn't anything special compared to the hot human chick in the second movie.

Elvish gets my vote for geekishness. Though only barely. I mean it's up against Klingon.
Again, my suspicion is reaffirmed- you Americans have no ability to judge beauty... If that is what French sounds like to you, then you are truly missing its essence, or perhaps incapable of discerning its elegance.

And Elves are hot - Tolkien made them so. The movie didn't represent this well enough, except perhaps in the cases of Legolas, Arwen and Galadriel.

:confused: where did they find the time to learn that?

i can barely pass french class let alone some language someone made up

:confused: where did they find the time to learn that?

i can barely pass french class let alone some language someone made up


Lacking any form of social life helps, I'm sure. :p

Elvish. At least with Klingon you'll be respected by Star Trek fans. With Elvish, even LOTR fans will think you're weird.

LOL!

No I think that speaking Klingon is definitley geekier. Elvish at least sounds nice! And all male elves are hot. Klingons are all ugly.

Knowing Elvish strikes me more as snobbish then geeky. Not entirely sure why though, perhaps because I think elves are snobby.

And all male elves are hot.


Which goes back to my earlier question: were the students mentioned in the OP male or female?

Which goes back to my earlier question: were the students mentioned in the OP male or female?

A good question. But you just can't dispute the facts of what I said!

A good question. But you just can't dispute the facts of what I said!

Meh, I'm straight. Got no opinion on that. *shrug*

Meh, I'm straight. Got no opinion on that. *shrug*

Were the females elves hot then?

Were the females elves hot then?

Not particularly, no. Arwen, for instance? Does nothing for me.

French is lame; its overabundance of vowels helps make it sound like coughing up milky phlegm during an apoplectic fit. And elves aren't hot. The only hot elf is that one in LOTR, and really she wasn't anything special compared to the hot human chick in the second movie.
That's not French, for God's sake!
That's Welsh!
Welsh, with it's overabundance of consonants and almost total absence of vowels. You need to gargle a bucket of phlegm (or possibly byll cym ;)) in order to even consider trying to pronounce some of their words

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.
Oh man, how could I miss this post?!?

I don't want to sound mean or anything, but that sounds like Klingon might have been the better choice? Or else, you have one mighty elf there. Almost Dwarfish.

Oh man, how could I miss this post?!?

I don't want to sound mean or anything, but that sounds like Klingon might have been the better choice? Or else, you have one mighty elf there. Almost Dwarfish.

Holy crap! I missed it, too! :eek:

Is there a troll language maybe? Something like that should be under a bridge, scaring billy-goats.

Well, I'll just drop ten hints about myself...you can then try to define my position in this issue from them...

1.- I took archery classes...Kyudo.

2.- I do not like Star Trek in general, even less Klingons in particular. As a matter of fact, I do not know a lot about it, as I wasn't able to watch it for more than 10 minutes. I like Star Wars, although.

3.- I love hooded cloaks. I own two, a white one and a traslucent black one.

4.- Sometimes I say Namárië to friends.

5.- The motto of my Nationstates country is a phrase in elvish from the Silmarillion.

6.- Said nation's flag is the family crest of Elu Thingol, the Frist King of the Sindarin elves. And the fact is that I know that kind of obscure information.

7.- I use references to obscure characters of Tolkien's writings, like Elurin, in my role playing threads.

8.- I used to play Dungeons & Dragons, guess which race I always played. I even made it through with a character from 1st level to 20th.

9.- I used to paint Warhammer miniatures, had quite a bit of taste for it. Again, guess which ones.

10.- I am female, and my height is like 1.49 cm, I weight like 47 kilos right now.

I like Star Wars, although.

Just more points in your favour. ;)

10.- I am female, and my height is like 1.49 cm, I weight like 47 kilos right now.

that's really small. You must be very dense. Almost white dwarf matter there.




(I assume you mean 1.49m;) )

that's really small. You must be very dense. Almost white dwarf matter there.




(I assume you mean 1.49m;) )

Damn, I wish I'd caught that. LOL

that's really small. You must be very dense. Almost white dwarf matter there.




(I assume you mean 1.49m;) )
Geez, it's metric. Who knows what they meant.

that's really small. You must be very dense. Almost white dwarf matter there.




(I assume you mean 1.49m;) )

Yes, yes. I meant 1.49m

I managed to make me look like an entire stupid, didnt I?

And all male elves are hot.
Verily. :)

Well, I'll just drop ten hints about myself...you can then try to define my position in this issue from them...

1.- I took archery classes...Kyudo.

2.- I do not like Star Trek in general, even less Klingons in particular. As a matter of fact, I do not know a lot about it, as I wasn't able to watch it for more than 10 minutes. I like Star Wars, although.

3.- I love hooded cloaks. I own two, a white one and a traslucent black one.

4.- Sometimes I say Namárië to friends.

5.- The motto of my Nationstates country is a phrase in elvish from the Silmarillion.

6.- Said nation's flag is the family crest of Elu Thingol, the Frist King of the Sindarin elves. And the fact is that I know that kind of obscure information.

7.- I use references to obscure characters of Tolkien's writings, like Elurin, in my role playing threads.

8.- I used to play Dungeons & Dragons, guess which race I always played. I even made it through with a character from 1st level to 20th.

9.- I used to paint Warhammer miniatures, had quite a bit of taste for it. Again, guess which ones.

10.- I am female, and my height is like 1.49 cm, I weight like 47 kilos right now.

You're a nerd!!! :D

Yes, yes. I meant 1.49m

I managed to make me look like an entire stupid, didnt I?

Oh. And I thought you were leaning heavily towards Fairy. (47kg for a fairy seemed odd, though. But who knows how fairies are?)

I totally hate elves they are the spawn of pure evil and i dont mean this in a good way even though some things evil are cool.....My hatred for elves is much great and i am very angry at elf supporters :mp5: ...... Star Trek isnt all that bad....So my conclusion is they are not geeky but very horrible GO ORCS!!!! they are the real fighters and are portrayed by many people into LOTR to be weak thats becauser good has to win(utter bull) but they arent So go ORCS!!!! DEATH TO ELVES!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Klingon is geekier.

Elvish could easily be written off as an interesting side study into Tolkien's linguistic work, and his development of his own private languages. Espescially if the student has a background in, or interest in, Finnish.

Klingon on the other hand has no redeeming academic value.

Yes, yes. I meant 1.49m

I managed to make me look like an entire stupid, didnt I?
Not at all. If anything your mistake makes you cute and your level of nerdiness/geekness makes you cool. :)

I didn't want to sway the poll too much, but I'd like to add that my Elvish speaking student is about 5'6" and 240 pounds, and has a hunter green hooded cape that she puts on just before she leaves class.
Geez...being that small and that wide, she should be speaking troll, not elvish!

Have you and you missus ever considered getting the Klingon and the Elvish geeks together?
Sounds like they were made for each other.
Or should that be spawned?

Geez...being that small and that wide, she should be speaking troll, not elvish!

Have you and you missus ever considered getting the Klingon and the Elvish geeks together?
Sounds like they were made for each other.
Or should that be spawned?

Damn imagine the children an Elf and Klingon would have?

Damn imagine the children an Elf and Klingon would have?

Probably ugly, infertile and immortal.