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In response to the thread about the killing of a suspected child molester by a parent, we have the following poll question, based solely on the scenario I place here:

You are a parent, and you have a small child, age 4. You come home from work, and find your child is over at your neighbor's house (a middle aged man). The door is open, and you enter, and you find him having sex with your child on the floor. It is obvious from his actions that he hasn't noticed you yet, and isn't finished yet. What do you do?

My first reaction would be to pull him off my kid and stab him to death. I would probably go with that reaction and not think about the consequences.

I commit aggravated assault.

Grab the nearest object and smash it on the head of the bastard.

The remainder of his life would be measured in milliseconds.

Beat him hard enough to disable him for a while, call the police. But who knows what they would really do? Rage might get the better of me.

He'd get a good kicking, then I'd call the police. Well, that's what I say I'd do, but the reality might be different.

I'd like to think that I would calmly remove my child from the situation, tie the guy up, and call the police.

However, the most likely reaction (and it wouldn't even have to be my four-year old - just any young child) is that I would pull him off of the child, and start beating him with anything and everything within my reach until someone larger and stronger managed to stop me.

Get my kid home and save, definitely sparing him/her the additional trauma of witnessing a murder.
I'd get the kid home, make sure she's as ok as possible under the circumstances, tell him/her that she's save now, that mommy won't let that guy anywhere near her any more, that nobody's going to hurt him/her ever again.

THEN I'd call the police.

Somehow I'm glad that none of you are related to me, given my family history. :rolleyes:

I make certain that I go out of my way to be polite and kind to everyone I meet, even if I don't know them. It's only the decent thing.

...But in this case I would probably beat the consciousness out of the fucker before calling the police and sending him off to ass-rape prison.

Then I'll find a psychiatrist who can help with my child's recovery.

Do the asshole bodily harm, but leave him alive for the courts to eat up.

After all, the courts will look on you favourably if you did it in your child's defence without killing the molestor.

Nail the fucker.

Do the asshole bodily harm, but leave him alive for the courts to eat up.

After all, the courts will look on you favourably if you did it in your child's defence without killing the molestor.

No jury would ever convict you for killing him, given the circumstances. It's called justifiable homicide.

In response to the thread about the killing of a suspected child molester by a parent, we have the following poll question, based solely on the scenario I place here:

1) if it was me... first I would take a picture, (camera Phone) of a) open door, b) the act.

2) Immediately after, I would make him stop.

3) subdue him, tie him up, render him harmess and immobile (with the intent of NOT killing him.)

4) Call the police while comforting my child.

5) call EMS and family doctor to get evidence.

6) let the police do their work... Turning in the Photo evidence to put him away.

7) when he gets sent to jail, make sure every convict knows what he's in there for. (Child Molesters are open target in the prison system.)

1) if it was me... first I would take a picture, (camera Phone) of a) open door, b) the act.

2) Immediately after, I would make him stop.

3) subdue him, tie him up, render him harmess and immobile (with the intent of NOT killing him.)

4) Call the police while comforting my child.

5) call EMS and family doctor to get evidence.

6) let the police do their work... Turning in the Photo evidence to put him away.

7) when he gets sent to jail, make sure every convict knows what he's in there for. (Child Molesters are open target in the prison system.)

Yes, because you would be perfectly capable of rational thought, seeing your four-year-old getting screwed by someone. :rolleyes:

Am I the only one here who would take care of her child first of all??? Would your first concern when you see your child being hurt really be to take care of the person hurting it??? :eek:

Geez, what kind of parents would you be???

Yes, because you would be perfectly capable of rational thought, seeing your four-year-old getting screwed by someone. :rolleyes:

Yes, and it's perfectly okay for people lose control and go batshit insane. :rolleyes: Why don't you kill the guy's family while you're at it. Hell you should murder the other members of your family for allowing. That would be okay too, 'cause your kid is getting screwed.

EDIT: @ the OP, I'll pull him off. If he tried to resist, I wouldn't pull any punches. I'd kill him if necessary. Then, as soon as the danger is past. I'd take care of my kid. Then I would call the cops.

I'm pretty sure that this is one of those situations where no-one can really know what they would do until after it had happened.

Am I the only one here who would take care of her child first of all??? Would your first concern when you see your child being hurt really be to take care of the person hurting it??? :eek:

Geez, what kind of parents would you be???

um... Stopping and making sure your child is Out of Danger is usually the first thing to be done.

Don't forget, YOU ARE SEEING THE ACTION TAKING PLACE RIGHT THEN AND THERE!

so that means when you take your child home, are you waiting for him to stop then while he's buckling up, you take your child home?

gut reaction? he would be dead before he realized what was going on....

however, I can't speculate as to what would actually happen.

um... Stopping and making sure your child is Out of Danger is usually the first thing to be done.

Don't forget, YOU ARE SEEING THE ACTION TAKING PLACE RIGHT THEN AND THERE!

so that means when you take your child home, are you waiting for him to stop then while he's buckling up, you take your child home?

The fact that my child safe is the most important one. I'd get him off the child and get the child out of there as quickly as possible. And I'd take all the time that's necessary to make sure it calms down and won't feel threatened or upset any more. Take it to hospital, if it seems hurt.

If the guy uses that time to disappear, that's bad. But my child would come first, and second. Punishing him would be third on my list.

I'd kill him. I may even torture him to death, it would fun. I'm not sure how I'd do it, but in the end he would dead and life would go on.

Yes, because you would be perfectly capable of rational thought, seeing your four-year-old getting screwed by someone. :rolleyes:rational Thought? hell no. it will be motivated by a pure, untainted desire for revenge. two photos at most is all I probably would have time for.

note, I did say the Intent was not to kill... I didn't say anything about not beating the crap outta him/her while getting them to stop. I would probably enlighten him by the process of introducing lamp to head.

The Photos will put the bastard away, no such thing as "his word against mine" bullshit. Turning the entire phone to the police would also enter the unaltered photo(s) into evidence and prove 1) it was not breaking and entering: the door was open 2) should he/she die while I am subduing him/her.... the photos will prove the reason for my attack.

When I read this I imagined it was my 7 year old neice in this situation. I'd really like to say I would subdue him and call the police, but just the idea of it gives me goosebumps. Actually seeing something as horrible as that happening could possibly put me over the edge. When I was in Iraq I had a few people try to kill me, which pissed me off but I was still rational. However, I don't know if I could be rational in this situation. It's one thing to try and kill me, a grown man who can defend himself, but it's something else entirely to attack a defenceless child. Especially such a horrible form of attack.

Am I the only one here who would take care of her child first of all??? Would your first concern when you see your child being hurt really be to take care of the person hurting it???

My first concern would be the child. However, the child would be in extreme danger until the person who was hurting them wasn't a factor anymore. As much as I deplore violence (something I found out when I was in Iraq) there are some very rare instances where it is justified.

rational Thought? hell no. it will be motivated by a pure, untainted desire for revenge. two photos at most is all I probably would have time for.

note, I did say the Intent was not to kill... I didn't say anything about not beating the crap outta him/her while getting them to stop. I would probably enlighten him by the process of introducing lamp to head.

The Photos will put the bastard away, no such thing as "his word against mine" bullshit. Turning the entire phone to the police would also enter the unaltered photo(s) into evidence and prove 1) it was not breaking and entering: the door was open 2) should he/she die while I am subduing him/her.... the photos will prove the reason for my attack.

So your kid is being abused and your taking pictures of it?

The fact that my child safe is the most important one. I'd get him off the child and get the child out of there as quickly as possible. And I'd take all the time that's necessary to make sure it calms down and won't feel threatened or upset any more. Take it to hospital, if it seems hurt.

If the guy uses that time to disappear, that's bad. But my child would come first, and second. Punishing him would be third on my list.

The assumption you're making is that the person is going to let you just walk in and take the child to safety. I wouldn't be willing to bet on that. Chances are that someone who would hurt a child wouldn't have any compunctions against hurting any would-be rescuer.

rational Thought? hell no. it will be motivated by a pure, untainted desire for revenge. two photos at most is all I probably would have time for.

note, I did say the Intent was not to kill... I didn't say anything about not beating the crap outta him/her while getting them to stop. I would probably enlighten him by the process of introducing lamp to head.

The Photos will put the bastard away, no such thing as "his word against mine" bullshit. Turning the entire phone to the police would also enter the unaltered photo(s) into evidence and prove 1) it was not breaking and entering: the door was open 2) should he/she die while I am subduing him/her.... the photos will prove the reason for my attack.

So, the first thing you do, you're standing there watching your child get raped... and the first thing you do is whip out your camera phone and take a picture???

Apply something blunt and heavy to his head, get my child the fuck out of there and call an ambulance and the police. If I could get my child to a family member to take care of I'd then see about subduing Mr. Molester with no small degree of violence. If not I'd stay with him/her myself.

So, the first thing you do, you're standing there watching your child get raped... and the first thing you do is whip out your camera phone and take a picture???

You would if you wanted proof that it's justifiable homocide and not murder.

You would if you wanted proof that it's justifiable homocide and not murder.

But the very act of calmly taking a photograph for use in your own trial shows that you were in a cool, rational state of mind - i.e, not temporarily insane and not in an uncontrollable rage, but premeditative.

The assumption you're making is that the person is going to let you just walk in and take the child to safety. I wouldn't be willing to bet on that. Chances are that someone who would hurt a child wouldn't have any compunctions against hurting any would-be rescuer.

I would get the child out of their as fast as possible. I wouldn't spend unnecessary time beating the guy up... if he hadn't noticed me entering the house, chances are he would be surprised enough not to try and stop me. If he did, I'd make such a racket that it would alert the neighbourhood.

But the very act of calmly taking a photograph for use in your own trial shows that you were in a cool, rational state of mind - i.e, not temporarily insane and not in an uncontrollable rage, but premeditative.

Precisely.

So your kid is being abused and your taking pictures of it?

two. one to show door open *child prbably wont be in focus* and the second might not be in focus because I would be running up to stop the bastard.

while I would admit that untill any of us is actually in this situation... it is hard to say what will be done.

But the very act of calmly taking a photograph for use in your own trial shows that you were in a cool, rational state of mind - i.e, not temporarily insane and not in an uncontrollable rage, but premeditative.

true. but I don't think... (I admit, Think) I could ever bring myself to Kill anyone... even while temporary insane.

two. one to show door open *child prbably wont be in focus* and the second might not be in focus because I would be running up to stop the bastard.

while I would admit that untill any of us is actually in this situation... it is hard to say what will be done.

So your more concerned about getting everything squared away legally then you are about stopping someone from fucking your child.

I would get the child out of their as fast as possible. I wouldn't spend unnecessary time beating the guy up... if he hadn't noticed me entering the house, chances are he would be surprised enough not to try and stop me. If he did, I'd make such a racket that it would alert the neighbourhood.

It would be nice if it worked that way. However, I wouldn't be willing to bet that he'd be unable to stop me. I think it would be safer for the child, and the rescuer if they were to subdue the rapist before he knew what was going on than to try to escape while he's confused. I'm not willing to take the chance that I'm faster or that he'd be too confused for me to get away.

So, the first thing you do, you're standing there watching your child get raped... and the first thing you do is whip out your camera phone and take a picture???

normally, my phone is in my hand already. I keep it in my hand. unless I'm carrying other things (I.e. Groceries.)

Get him off the child, get the child out of the way, kill the aggressor if need be in self-defence. :)

normally, my phone is in my hand already. I keep it in my hand. unless I'm carrying other things (I.e. Groceries.)

Even so, it will take a good couple of seconds for you to flip it out, aim, click, put away the phone. Like 2 or 3 at least.

That's like 2 or 3 more penetrations of your child that you allowed to happen.

What if the rapist claims you paid him to do it? What if he claims you took a picture because you were in on it and wanted child porn?

Unless you kill him, in which case the photos only show premeditation and therefore you go to prison for a longer time.

At the least, knock that sick bastard out and call the cops on him. Depending on how enraged I get I might be able to kill him.

Am I the only one here who would take care of her child first of all??? Would your first concern when you see your child being hurt really be to take care of the person hurting it??? :eek:

Geez, what kind of parents would you be???


I'd take care of my child by first STOPPING the hurt and showing my child that that person will never ever hurt them again.

At the least, knock that sick bastard out and call the cops on him. Depending on how enraged I get I might be able to kill him.
Knocking him unconscious or somehow stunning him would indeed be a good idea. :)

So your more concerned about getting everything squared away legally then you are about stopping someone from fucking your child. I would be concerned about insuring this (pardon the pun) fucker get's the full treatment of the law.

one thing I've learned about me, is that I can be a cold hearted bastard, even during high emotional situations.

I'd take care of my child by first STOPPING the hurt and showing my child that that person will never ever hurt them again.

Well... your call. But I know that would have certainly pushed me over the edge to insanity as a kid...

Even so, it will take a good couple of seconds for you to flip it out, aim, click, put away the phone. Like 2 or 3 at least.

That's like 2 or 3 more penetrations of your child that you allowed to happen.

What if the rapist claims you paid him to do it? What if he claims you took a picture because you were in on it and wanted child porn?

Unless you kill him, in which case the photos only show premeditation and therefore you go to prison for a longer time.paid him... he has to show the financial transaction took place.

the photos, also show 1) open door (no breaking entering/spying on my part). 2) the fact that I turned it over voluntarily would indicate that I did not take pics for myself. and the police will investigate me (of course) and they are more than welcome to take my computer stuff to look for any other child porn. (which I can guarentee they won't find due to the fact that I won't have any.)

Well... your call. But I know that would have certainly pushed me over the edge to insanity as a kid...

Instant and justifiable closure. (I'm not implying the child won't have serious issues to work out still)
My child's view of the world and trust to be protected would have been shattered. I'd want my child to understand that will not be tolerated.

If, God forbid, my child ever finds herself in anything remotely similar again, I'd want her reaction to not be sheer terror but a cold certainty, "If you don't leave me alone, my Dad will deal with you, permanently."

I'd be more messed up I think if I didn't trust my parent would do whatever it takes to protect me.

paid him... he has to show the financial transaction took place.

the photos, also show 1) open door (no breaking entering/spying on my part). 2) the fact that I turned it over voluntarily would indicate that I did not take pics for myself. and the police will investigate me (of course) and they are more than welcome to take my computer stuff to look for any other child porn. (which I can guarentee they won't find due to the fact that I won't have any.)

Do you believe that a jury will look favourably on your actions with you stopping to photographically document the situation?

I guarantee you don't want me on that jury because it would make you appear to somehow have been involved and changed your mind.

I would be concerned about insuring this (pardon the pun) fucker get's the full treatment of the law.

one thing I've learned about me, is that I can be a cold hearted bastard, even during high emotional situations.
I can be cold hearted bastard too but that wouldn't involve me taking pictures of it, it would involve me taking pleasure in torture him to death. That would be getting the full treatment of the law.

If, God forbid, my child ever finds herself in anything remotely similar again, I'd want her reaction to not be sheer terror but a cold certainty, "If you don't leave me alone, my Dad will deal with you, permanently."

Hopefully you'd also make sure she knows how to defend herself, perhaps via martial arts lessons (Krav Maga for instance), again with a cold certainty. You cannot be everywhere at all times, neither can the law enforcement agents. If I had a daughter I'd make sure she was able of dropping a person dead if she had to in self-defence. Naturally it's good to teach kids to use legal recourse when possible, but I'd rather that my child not be raped or killed than hesitate to kill someone.

Break his knees, claiming it was self defense, and call the police. Who's going to believe a sick fuck like that anyways?

Most likely: If there was a nearby heavy object, hit molestor on head with it. Failing that, gouge his eyes out. But that's just a guess. I hope I never have to find out.

Hopefully you'd also make sure she knows how to defend herself, perhaps via martial arts lessons (Krav Maga for instance), again with a cold certainty. You cannot be everywhere at all times, neither can the law enforcement agents. If I had a daughter I'd make sure she was able of dropping a person dead if she had to in self-defence. Naturally it's good to teach kids to use legal recourse when possible, but I'd rather that my child not be raped or killed than hesitate to kill someone.

Absolutely. I have 3 kids, they have been told that the many things they aren't ever allowed to do (go for the eyes, punch in the throat, etc.) even when horsing around are precisely what I hope they do if ever faced with a "bad" person.

They know to get help/escape as a first option in any situation, mild or serious, but if someone won't allow those options, go for it with everything they have, holding nothing back.

Id smack the bastard in the head, hopefully killing him probably at least doing permanent harm. That would eliminate further harm to the child and also hopefully prevent him from destroying any other children. Mine would be harmed already, no sense letting the horror spread. After I got the child out of the area I might return and bash the skull in of the guy to ensure he was dead and lie my ass off about this in court. I wouldnt sleep well for a spell afterwards but this would pass.

Hopefully you'd also make sure she knows how to defend herself, perhaps via martial arts lessons (Krav Maga for instance), again with a cold certainty. You cannot be everywhere at all times, neither can the law enforcement agents. If I had a daughter I'd make sure she was able of dropping a person dead if she had to in self-defence. Naturally it's good to teach kids to use legal recourse when possible, but I'd rather that my child not be raped or killed than hesitate to kill someone.

My oldest daughter is better with a pistol than most of the local police.

kill him.I wouldnt be able to stop myself.

I'd hit him with the intent of incapacitating him, get my child out of there, then call the police.

Do you believe that a jury will look favourably on your actions with you stopping to photographically document the situation?

I guarantee you don't want me on that jury because it would make you appear to somehow have been involved and changed your mind.
you are probably thinking that I will, upon seeing this act
1) stop
2) pull out cell phone
3) turn on camera
4) take aim, focus and snap.
5) check pic then repeat steps
6) run to help.

in reality, I would
1) run to house. while running...
>a) pull out phone (if phone is not in hand.)
>b) hold down side camera button, (not even opening phone.)
>c) take pictures by holding shutter button down (pointing phone at act.)
>d) keep button pressed, taking as much as I can

2) enter home, phone is tossed to the side...

which is why I said, two pics at most. I doubt any more would be taken.

and yes, my phone can take pictures without 1) opening it, 2) pressing a side button.

now as I also said, whether or not those pics will be in focus is not a guarantee.

At the very least he'd be severely injured and unable to ever reproduce. More likely I'd kill him.

At the very least he'd be severely injured and unable to ever reproduce. More likely I'd kill him.

I'm reminded of Sin City:

"I take away his weapon. ...... Both of them."

I'm reminded of Sin City:

"I take away his weapon. ...... Both of them."

using method one or two?