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Here's 23 positions liberals typically hold. How many of them are yours?

Full disclosure: I got this list from dennisprager.com, but the analyzation is mine.

1 Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color.
2 Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America.
3 Murderers should never be put to death.
4 During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.
5 Colleges should not allow ROTC programs.
6 It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War.
7 Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools.
8 It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party.
9 Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
10 A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
11 The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings.
12 The present high tax rates are good.
13 Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values are bad.
14 The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent.
15 The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court.
16 It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas.
17 No abortions can be labeled immoral.
18 Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section.
19 High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them.
20 Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.
21 Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city.
22 It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation.
23 No culture is morally superior to any other.

Mine are 9,10,17 and of course, 19.

If you got...
19-23, you are a no-good, America-hating pinko liberal.

15-18, you are a true-blue liberal. You live in Massachusets, don't you?

11-14, you gravitate towards the liberal side, but neverthless, still possess some common sense. Don't give up, you can still be saved, I suggest listening to Dennis Prager's radio show, available on dennisprager.com

9-13, you are a centrist who holds some liberal positions. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it eventually.

5-8, you are an otherwise normal, rational person who for some inexplicable reason holds 5-8 common liberal positions.

0-4, you are a God-fearing, America-loving patriot who is in favor of freedom and equality for all people.

Poll coming.

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Brilliant response, my friend, absolutely brilliant.

--Snip--

Go back to Crazyland, crazyboy, or you get shot in the face. :p

0! :)

Brilliant response, my friend, absolutely brilliant.

just a measure of how much i respect this thread

Brilliant response, my friend, absolutely brilliant.

Brevity being the soul of wit, I think he summed up that list rather well.

1. The Questions are biased to make "Liberal" (read: DNC) positions sound bad.

2. I'm liberal, and don't need a test to tell me.

These questions are more loaded than Mel Gibson behind the wheel of a car.

Brevity being the soul of wit, I think he summed up that list rather well.

thank you, my good man :)

*gives cake*

1. The Questions are biased to make "Liberal" (read: DNC) positions sound bad.

2. I'm liberal, and don't need a test to tell me.

A lot of people who say they're liberal really aren't. You aren't if you don't hold a majority of these positions.

The way the "liberal" positions are worded in that quiz is clearly biased and were written by someone with no grasp of what liberals actually think. It's very thinly veiled anti-liberal propaganda and anyone taking it seriously is a moron.

These questions are more loaded than Mel Gibson behind the wheel of a car.

This is totally what should be done with this thread!

"I haven't seen this many stawmen outside of a Wizard of Oz costume party!"

The way the "liberal" positions are worded in that quiz is clearly biased and were written by someone with no grasp of what liberals actually think. It's very thinly veiled anti-liberal propaganda and anyone taking it seriously is a moron.

I never said it was serious. As you can probably deduce from my analyzation, it's all a lighthearted joke.

uh....that's just a little biased (which means probably in the real world a LOT biased, but I am uber conservative, so you know I come in with my own bias.)

They're not so biased you can't read them literally, though.

I'll take 10, 14, 17, and 23. I'm waffling on 3.

And I'm not an American.

uh....that's just a little biased (which means probably in the real world a LOT biased, but I am uber conservative, so you know I come in with my own bias.)

Sure is biased. But when you come down to the core of it all, that's what they really think.

Brilliant response, my friend, absolutely brilliant.

No more so than your test, I assure you. I think my favourite part is the bit where if you score eleven, twelve, or thirteen you get your very own split personality. I also quite like the bit where Dennis Prager accuses liberals of hating freedom and of having low intelligence, when a look at his website makes me wonder how he breathes unaided, while at the same time marvelling at his traditional fatherly approach to freedom.

"I'm only beating you with this stick because I love you."

For the record, I scored nine.

These questions are more loaded than Mel Gibson behind the wheel of a car.

Couldn't have said it better. Seriously, when did college speech codes have anything to do with "American values", and when did any mainstream liberal claim that their values weren't those of the rest of America?

I think some of these would make good threads on their own.

Like 19. I support sex ed, but I don't see why the students should get free condoms. You want condoms, go to the drug store and buy condoms.

No more so than your test, I assure you. I think my favourite part is the bit where if you score eleven, twelve, or thirteen you get your very own split personality. I also quite like the bit where Dennis Prager accuses liberals of hating freedom and of having low intelligence, when a look at his website makes me wonder how he breathes unaided, while at the same time marvelling at his traditional fatherly approach to freedom.

"I'm only beating you with this stick because I love you."

For the record, I scored nine.

Uh...it's not my test. Prager has never accused liberals of being stupid, he just said that they hold most of their positions for psychological reasons, something that even I disagree with.

Sure is biased. But when you come down to the core of it all, that's what they really think.

when you speak in absolutes you are always wrong. ;)

Couldn't have said it better. Seriously, when did college speech codes have anything to do with "American values", and when did any mainstream liberal claim that their values weren't those of the rest of America?

Well, if you consider freedom of speech an "American value", then how can you consider college speech codes, which prohibit what you can say, a part of "American values."?

"don't worry. you'll grow out of it eventually." yeah. i really want to grow out of respecting my fellow man, rather than being scared of some invisible superhero who is mysteriously has a virgin mom, yet has a dad, and who says he loves everyone but doesn't hang out with any gays in his playhouse cuz that stuff is a SIN. but YOU can get into his super special magic land if you hate iraq, love bush, and believe that your body is an evil tool of the devil.

when you speak in absolutes you are always wrong. ;)

What I meant to say, which I thought was implied, is that most of these things are what they really do think.

"don't worry. you'll grow out of it eventually." yeah. i really want to grow out of respecting my fellow man, rather than being scared of some invisible superhero who is mysteriously has a virgin mom, yet has a dad, and who says he loves everyone but doesn't hang out with any gays in his playhouse cuz that stuff is a SIN. but YOU can get into his super special magic land if you hate iraq, love bush, and believe that your body is an evil tool of the devil.

Nice rant.

1. I believe in merit, rather than one's "race"
2. I'm sure we can find a compromise
3. I think there are cases when it would be appropriate
4. No Comment
5. No Comment
6. Wrong fashion, wrong reasons
7. No Comment
8. No Comment
9. Either that, or give homosexuals the same rights
10. Yes
11. ...Why?
12. Yeah, and let's start taxing religious groups too, since they seem to have their noses WAY too far up politics' ass
13. Bullshit
14. Pretty damn close
15. Needs a major overhaul
16. I wouldn't call that "good" neccessarily
17. I think not
18. No Comment
19. Unless their parents start getting their asses in gear
20. No Comment
21. What's this about "lack of fathers", Dennis, you prick?
22. I do think some people need to be less touchy :P
23. Right and wrong are technically matters of perspective.

Bottom line: 8 points...and who says I'm rational? :rolleyes:

"don't worry. you'll grow out of it eventually." yeah. i really want to grow out of respecting my fellow man, rather than being scared of some invisible superhero who is mysteriously has a virgin mom, yet has a dad, and who says he loves everyone but doesn't hang out with any gays in his playhouse cuz that stuff is a SIN. but YOU can get into his super special magic land if you hate iraq, love bush, and believe that your body is an evil tool of the devil.

don't feed the troll

i fed the troll...

9 Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
10 A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
17 No abortions can be labeled immoral.
20 Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.


This is about all I can agree on. The rest is utter garbage. I am a liberal in the classical sense. Not in the yank sense.

Here's 23 positions liberals typically hold. How many of them are yours?

Full disclosure: I got this list from dennisprager.com, but the analyzation is mine.

1 Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color.
2 Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America.
3 Murderers should never be put to death.
4 During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.
5 Colleges should not allow ROTC programs.
6 It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War.
7 Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools.
8 It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party.
9 Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
10 A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
11 The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings.
12 The present high tax rates are good.
13 Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values are bad.
14 The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent.
15 The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court.
16 It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas.
17 No abortions can be labeled immoral.
18 Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section.
19 High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them.
20 Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.
21 Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city.
22 It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation.
23 No culture is morally superior to any other.

Mine are 9,10,17 and of course, 19.

If you got...
19-23, you are a no-good, America-hating pinko liberal.

15-18, you are a true-blue liberal. You live in Massachusets, don't you?

11-14, you gravitate towards the liberal side, but neverthless, still possess some common sense. Don't give up, you can still be saved, I suggest listening to Dennis Prager's radio show, available on dennisprager.com

9-13, you are a centrist who holds some liberal positions. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it eventually.

5-8, you are an otherwise normal, rational person who for some inexplicable reason holds 5-8 common liberal positions.

0-4, you are a God-fearing, America-loving patriot who is in favor of freedom and equality for all people.

Poll coming.

I am a libertarian, and all of the above statements are requests for government intervention or otherwise interfere with the sovereign individual. I got a 0. Not surprising, since I see left-liberalism to have no redeeming qualities whatsoever (conservativism is a mixed bag).

Here's 23 positions liberals typically hold. How many of them are yours?

Full disclosure: I got this list from dennisprager.com, but the analyzation is mine. You mean "analysis"?

1 Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color. Nah, just do Affirmative Action (if you believe the above to be AA, you should learn what it really is).
2 Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America. Why should only the immigrant children be raised bilingually?
3 Murderers should never be put to death. No one should be "put to death".
4 During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.I didn't have an opinion at the time.
5 Colleges should not allow ROTC programs. Why not? Better to give carreer officers an education than not.
6 It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War. This is a typical liberal opinion? I don't share it.
7 Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools. Nope, they should be able to send their children to good schools for free, much like you should give a kid with a broken leg medical treatment instead of buying him an ice cream.
8 It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party. Are they?
9 Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people. Hell no. To any two consenting adults.
10 A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women. Yup.
11 The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings. Disagree. We had our scout meetings in church.
12 The present high tax rates are good. So far yes. I'm glad Bush failed in raising them for me.
13 Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values are bad.Meh. Greatly depends on the values. Honesty and all that which they enforce quite strictly at my highly liberal university are nice values.
14 The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent. Israelis and Palestinians get no "Get out of Jail free" cards based on that they are Israeli or Palestinian.
15 The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court. Right path of action, wrong reasoning.
16 It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas. Most of the sports teams here are self organized. Not much of the colleges fault if they get dropped.
17 No abortions can be labeled immoral. This isn't a liberal standpoint, I know that much. That's pro abortion, and most liberals I know are pro choice.
18 Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section. If the people will it so...
19 High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them. Damn straight!
20 Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male. It failed completely in Germany.
21 Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city. Poverty and a bleak outlook on life are probably what does it.
22 It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation. Not if they sneeze. But if its the principal saying so, then yes.
23 No culture is morally superior to any other. Yup. Practices in those cultures, however, can be morally inferior and superior.

Mine are 9,10,17 and of course, 19.

If you got...
19-23, you are a no-good, America-hating pinko liberal.

15-18, you are a true-blue liberal. You live in Massachusets, don't you?

11-14, you gravitate towards the liberal side, but neverthless, still possess some common sense. Don't give up, you can still be saved, I suggest listening to Dennis Prager's radio show, available on dennisprager.com

9-13, you are a centrist who holds some liberal positions. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it eventually.

5-8, you are an otherwise normal, rational person who for some inexplicable reason holds 5-8 common liberal positions.

0-4, you are a God-fearing, America-loving patriot who is in favor of freedom and equality for all people.

Poll coming.That scale doesn't have space for me. I'm a Green.

Well, if you consider freedom of speech an "American value", then how can you consider college speech codes, which prohibit what you can say, a part of "American values."?

I think most would say that freedom of speech is a Democratic value....by this I mean a value held by those who think that democracies are a 'better' form of government.

It is not a value that America has a monopoly on.

9 Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
10 A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
20 Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.


This is about all I can agree on. The rest is utter garbage. I am a liberal in the classical sense. Not in the yank sense.

Uh...it's not my test. Prager has never accused liberals of being stupid, he just said that they hold most of their positions for psychological reasons, something that even I disagree with.

Yeah, I know its not your test. Although looking back at my reply, I can see that the opening line is badly worded. And although he has not explicitly stated that liberals are stupid, he has accused them of lacking common sense, which is much the same thing.

I'm conflicted on 3, 7, 13, 14. While murderers certainly deserve it, I don't agree with the death penalty on principle. How can poor families afford vouchers after they run out? Free speech being good in no way implies that American values are wrong. As for 14, I agree that the Israelis aren't terrorists, but the Palestinians were unfairly displaced when Israel was formed. It'd be like my house was handed over to a descendent of the Seminole tribe. The "Holy War" is anything but. I agree with 9, 10, 20, 21. The term marriage, if needed to be kept sacred, should have stayed in the religious context. The moment that it runs into the secular world than all bets are off. And adoption should be based solely on the ability to properly take care of the child. Racial profiling is wrong, period, and there are known terrorists of every background, race, ethnicity, and religion. Crime is disproportionatly attributed to the poor. And 12 is wrong, our taxes are fairly low compared to the rest of the world. I agree, these points are biased. I guess you could chalk me up anywhere from 4 to 9, so I'll go with 7.

1. I believe in merit, rather than one's "race"
2. I'm sure we can find a compromise
3. I think there are cases when it would be appropriate
4. No Comment
5. No Comment
6. Wrong fashion, wrong reasons
7. No Comment
8. No Comment
9. Either that, or give homosexuals the same rights
10. Yes
11. ...Why?
12. Yeah, and let's start taxing religious groups too, since they seem to have their noses WAY too far up politics' ass
13. Bullshit
14. Pretty damn close
15. Needs a major overhaul
16. I wouldn't call that "good" neccessarily
17. I think not
18. No Comment
19. Unless their parents start getting their asses in gear
20. No Comment
21. What's this about "lack of fathers", Dennis, you prick?
22. I do think some people need to be less touchy :P
23. Right and wrong are technically matters of perspective.

Bottom line: 8 points...and who says I'm rational? :rolleyes:

I am a libertarian, and all of the above statements are requests for government intervention or otherwise interfere with the sovereign individual. I got a 0. Not surprising, since I see left-liberalism to have no redeeming qualities whatsoever (conservativism is a mixed bag).
Same here. :)

A lot of people who say they're liberal really aren't. You aren't if you don't hold a majority of these positions.They're strawman arguments. I mean the whole abortion thing is just totally off the track. Whoever came up with that one needs some lessons in opening their eyes.

Yeah, I know its not your test. Although looking back at my reply, I can see that the opening line is badly worded. And although he has not explicitly stated that liberals are stupid, he has accused them of lacking common sense, which is much the same thing.

Or at least thats what I thought earlier. See, when RockTheCasbah said that the test wasn't his, it was Dennis Prager's, I thought he meant all of it. But apparently not.

http://dennisprager.com/areyouliberal.html

Note that here, the test results are gone. It seems that our trollish friend here has been trawling for anything he can use to fire off a few cheap, hopelessly inaccurate, and hypocritical shots at liberals in lieu of any actual argument. Come on RockTheCasbah, if you're thinking of attacking liberals, at least use something more original than "waah, you hate America and freedom!!!eleventyone". Would it be so radical to consider making an intelligent point once in a while? Or would you not stoop so low as to use the weapons of the enemy?

I'd just like to clarify something. When Americans say liberal, do they simply mean supporters of the democrats, as opposed to people who have a liberal political outlook as recognised by the rest of the world?

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Word.

Oh yeah, and you can have the weekend off.