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Well, at least it wasn't at gunpoint, like Steve Centanni, face down on a concrete floor.

Probably a long tradition of changing stories to fit cultural perceptions in that market. I'm sure the West has converted stories from other nations, and essentially bastardized them to the point where people familiar with the original story would be rolling on the floor, trying to catch their breath.

Still, I'm wondering what changes they'll have to make to "The Three Little Pigs".

And what did they do with Cardinal Richelieu?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/31/wpino31.xml
Pinocchio, Tom Sawyer and other characters have been converted to Islam in new versions of 100 classic stories on the Turkish school curriculum.

"Give me some bread, for Allah's sake," Pinocchio says to Geppetto, his maker, in a book stamped with the crest of the ministry of education.

"Thanks be to Allah," the puppet says later.
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In The Three Musketeers, D'Artagnan is told that he cannot visit Aramis. The reason would surprise the author, Alexandre Dumas.

An old woman explains: "He is surrounded by men of religion. He converted to Islam after his illness."

And some people still say that Turkey would be a good addition to the EU :rolleyes:

If this doesn't show them what sort of country it is, nothing will.

And some people still say that Turkey would be a good addition to the EU :rolleyes:

If this doesn't show them what sort of country it is, nothing will.No, some people say that them being a bad addition now doesn't invalidate them from ever being a good addition.

Nice attempt at a strawman, though.

Please note that I'm not saying this is bad. It does strike me as silly, but there are probably examples of where Western countries have bastardized versions of other cultures' stories.

Like I said, I'm only worried about the Three Little Pigs.

I can't help it, I think it's funny. Kind of weird, but funny.

I do understand that references to god in Pinocchio would be translated as references to Allah, simply because that would be the correct translation for god. And it would make the book more approachable and less foreign to children.

But to have Aramis - Aramis, of all people! - converse to Islam ... *lol There is just so much irony in that, it's incredible.
:D

Pinocchio, Tom Sawyer and other characters have been converted to Islam in new versions of 100 classic stories on the Turkish school curriculum.

"Give me some bread, for Allah's sake," Pinocchio says to Geppetto, his maker, in a book stamped with the crest of the ministry of education.

"Thanks be to Allah," the puppet says later.
Allah=Arabic word for God, nothing more nothing less
Arab Christians use Allah for God as well

These seem to general expressions, nothing strange about that.

My Turkish is not that good, but I reckon they use the same Arabic expressions in daily life, making it an acceptable translation.

I think the Turkish government is probably more upset by the
insults, slang and rude rhymes which mock the president and the prime minister.

Please note that I'm not saying this is bad. It does strike me as silly, but there are probably examples of where Western countries have bastardized versions of other cultures' stories.

Like I said, I'm only worried about the Three Little Pigs.
Easy one, actually.

It's the three little sheep and the big bad wolf!

Easy one, actually.

It's the three little sheep and the big bad wolf!

Yeah, I was thinking it was un-Islamic for the wolf to eat pork...

Yeah, I was thinking it was un-Islamic for the wolf to eat pork...
But the wolf is the bad guy, so why would it matter?

And some people still say that Turkey would be a good addition to the EU :rolleyes:

If this doesn't show them what sort of country it is, nothing will.

Oh no, Turkey is Islamic, call the religion nazi police! Soon you will be telling us the moon isn't made of cheese.

But the wolf is the bad guy, so why would it matter?

Kids will ask, "why does he like pork so much?" It doesn't do to encourage them.

DK its a different culture. Why shouldn't they adapt a story to fit it ? The western world has been doing it for centuries and we are going to complain about Turkey ? You have got to be kidding . Think of all the " anglosised "versions of classic stories..if you want to really get technical even the BIBLE was changed to fit western culture . At any rate I see no problem what so ever...unless tom Sawyer turns into a Jihadist and blows himself up on a steam boat to please Allah .
We really need to accept the fact that we are different . They deserve the right to keep their culture , something very hard to do in this new information age . It seems more an attempt by the Turks to counter act the exposure to western culture and its overwhelming influence on its population . its not the first or last country I have seen struggling to keep its identity intact . Its not like they can go all Japanese and close them selves off from the world now can they ? All they have to do is turn on a TV and Admiral Perry is in the Harbor .

Yeah, I was thinking it was un-Islamic for the wolf to eat pork...

It was the big bad Wolf wasn’t it…

I am sure the wolf would eat pork...

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DK its a different culture. Why shouldn't they adapt a story to fit it ? The western world has been doing it for centuries and we are going to complain about Turkey ? You have got to be kidding . Think of all the " anglosised "versions of classic stories..if you want to really get technical even the BIBLE was changed to fit western culture . At any rate I see no problem what so ever...unless tom Sawyer turns into a Jihadist and blows himself up on a steam boat to please Allah .

The story of Noah? Fuckin' jacked from Gilgamesh.

DK its a different culture. Why shouldn't they adapt a story to fit it ? The western world has been doing it for centuries and we are going to complain about Turkey ? You have got to be kidding . Think of all the " anglosised "versions of classic stories..if you want to really get technical even the BIBLE was changed to fit western culture . At any rate I see no problem what so ever...unless tom Sawyer turns into a Jihadist and blows himself up on a steam boat to please Allah .

Ultra, did you even bother to read my post? I've said what you are saying.

Blind, as usual.

The story of Noah? Fuckin' jacked from Gilgamesh.

You didn't read the OP, either, I see. I already said that the West has been jacking stories...

Blind, as usual...

It was the big bad Wolf wasn’t it…

I am sure the wolf would eat pork...

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Yes, but by that reasoning, the reader would have to side with the pigs who ultimately win over the wolf.

And as pigs are considered unclean, that's a big no-no!

The story of Noah? Fuckin' jacked from Gilgamesh.
Hell, the whole new testament is basically pagan saviour deities meet jewish prophesy.

Allah=Arabic word for God, nothing more nothing less
Arab Christians use Allah for God as well

These seem to general expressions, nothing strange about that.

My Turkish is not that good, but I reckon they use the same Arabic expressions in daily life, making it an acceptable translation.

I think the Turkish government is probably more upset by ....

and words and phrases like "Armenian genocide","ethnic cleansing" "Kurdish Autonomy" etc and so on.

and words and phrases like "Armenian genocide","ethnic cleansing" "Kurdish Autonomy" etc and so on.

Who remembers the Armenians?

Who remembers the Armenians?

I do. I've started a couple of threads about the Armenian holocaust here in the past.

I do. I've started a couple of threads about the Armenian holocaust here in the past.

I know. It was an attempt by me to Godwin my own thread by quoting Hitler.

You didn't read the OP, either, I see. I already said that the West has been jacking stories...

Blind, as usual...

So you admit you are just putting up a story to pointlessly bash Muslims and Islam?

So you admit you are just putting up a story to pointlessly bash Muslims and Islam?

No, it's not to pointlessly bash Muslims and Islam.

I just think it's funny.

You're the one who is thinking of bashing. You with no sense of humor.

The only surprise about the edition of Hitler’s Mein Kampf that has become a best seller in Middle Eastern bookstores is its emboldened title translated as “Jihadi” — as in “My Jihad” — confirming in ironic fashion the “moderate” Islamic claim that “jihad” just means “struggle,” as in an “inner struggle” — as in a Kampf perhaps.

Please note that I'm not saying this is bad. It does strike me as silly, but there are probably examples of where Western countries have bastardized versions of other cultures' stories.

Like I said, I'm only worried about the Three Little Pigs.


Yeah we have ... but it is always kind of gut wrenching to see official miniseries of education fucking with classics or trying to get books banned

It does not matter where it is or for what reason … it is wrong

Worst. Propaganda. Evar.
Yup.

I'm sure the West has converted stories from other nations, and essentially bastardized them to the point where people familiar with the original story would be rolling on the floor, trying to catch their breath.
Yeah, compared to Disney, the Islamic guys are mere noobs.

Yeah, compared to Disney, the Islamic guys are mere noobs.

Compared to Disney, they're completely conservative when it comes to changing things. By that, I mean they don't change that much...compared to Disney. Don't know how many noobs will read this and think I'm talking stupid politics. Such dictionary-impaired noobs.

PS. Compared to how much Disney "adapts"(more like butchers) stories, the a-bomb barely changed Hiroshima and the Holocaust barely changed Poland's population. By that, I mean that Disney butchers things alot. Remember: Noobs have conquered the internet. They fill every website with their retarded noobiness. OMFG, there's one now!!!!!!!! :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :eek: :mp5: That was a close one. :) :p

But the wolf is the bad guy, so why would it matter?

The Palestinian version no doubt has the wolf being a Jew.