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And it gets funnier.:D Sorry Roman Catholics...but it IS funny...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1943582.cms?headline=Hitler,~Stalin~'devils',~claims~Vatican~exorcist

Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican’s chief exorcist has claimed.

Father Gabriele Amorth, who is Pope Benedict XVI’s “caster out of demons”, made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio . Amorth said: “Of course, the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations.

“I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler — and Stalin did. Almost certainly they were possessed by the Devil.”

“You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That’s why we need to defend society from demons.”

According to secret Vatican documents recently released, wartime pontiff Pope Pius XII attempted a “long distance” exorcism of Hitler:confused: which failed to have any effect.
Amorth said further: “It’s very rare that praying and attempting to carry out an exorcism from distance works.

“Of course, you can pray for someone from a distance but in this case it would not have any effect.”

“One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing.

“Therefore trying to carry out an exorcism on someone who is not present, or consenting and willing would prove very difficult,” he added.

“However, I have no doubt that Hitler was possessed and so it does not surprise me that Pope Pius XII tried a long distance exorcism.”

In the past, Amorth has also spoken out against the Harry Potter books, claiming that reading the novels of the teen wizard open children’s minds to dabbling with the occult and black magic. Amorth, who is president of the International Association of Exorcists, said of the JK Rowling books: “Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil.”;)

He said that Rowling’s books contain innumerable positive references to magic, “the satanic art” and added the books attempt to make a false distinction between black and white magic, when in fact, the distinction “does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil” .

The Power of Christ compels me... to laugh myself silly. :D

The Power of Christ compels me... to laugh myself silly. :D

Silly blaspheming heathen...

*tries long distance exorcism*

The Power of Christ compels me... to laugh myself silly. :D

Oh sure...

Blame Christ.

I blame the nitrous oxide bottle you keep in your clowncar.

Silly blaspheming heathen...

*tries long distance exorcism*

It tickles. :)

A little lower and to the left please...

Oh sure...

Blame Christ.

I blame the nitrous oxide bottle you keep in your clowncar.

I have a prescription for that. ;)

He said that Rowling’s books contain innumerable positive references to magic, “the satanic art” and added the books attempt to make a false distinction between black and white magic, when in fact, the distinction “does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil” .Magic, like turning wine to water, raising the dead, walking on water, breaking a few loafs of bread to feed hundreds, etc.. The devil's work, surely.

And thus the Vatican becomes more relevant to our lives with each passing day......

Harry Potter thing was a bit :rolleyes: And i guess all criticism of the catholic church's lack of fight against Nazism is now invalid given the attempts to carry out "Long distance" exorcism? I don't think ive heard a stupider comment since Dubya's "more and more of our imports are coming from overseas"

I don't think ive heard a stupider comment since Dubya's "more and more of our imports are coming from overseas"Well, you have to be fair, they could come from Mexico and Canada, which aren't overseas.

Well, you have to be fair, they could come from Mexico and Canada, which aren't overseas.

Bah...trust me to pick the only Dubya quote which could just about fall into the semi-logical and coherent category. Doh!

Great, a crackpot Pope trying to villify works of fiction and destroy the goodwill John Paul II created.
Not only that, but he is trying to hide his position in Nazi Germany.

Great, a crackpot Pope trying to villify works of fiction and destroy the goodwill John Paul II created.
Not only that, but he is trying to hide his position in Nazi Germany.This is about Vatican’s chief exorcist, not the pope..

This is about Vatican’s chief exorcist, not the pope..
Ok, then I didn't read. The pope is still a crackpot and the chief exorcist is a bigger one.

What the article forgets to mention is that the reason for the "long distance exorcism" was that Hitler was far too liberal for the catholic church's liking

I have a prescription for that. ;)

Are they hard to obtain then, these "prescriptions"?

Magic, like turning wine to water, raising the dead, walking on water, breaking a few loafs of bread to feed hundreds, etc.. The devil's work, surely.

Eh, no. Magic, as defined by Christians, is uttering spells, creating potions, or just using power for your own ends or for the ends of the Devil from whom that power comes.

God uses His own power: He doesn't rely on potions or spells and neither does He rely on the power of others to do His work. Miracles are "magic" works done by the power of God for the glory of God.

So magic relies on Satan for one's own glory and miracles rely on God for His glory.

Are they hard to obtain then, these "prescriptions"?

Not as hard as you might think. ;)

I don't think I ever will understand the Catholic church........there are so many things about what that guy said that are just..........wrong.........

Eh, no. Magic, as defined by Christians, is uttering spells, creating potions, or just using power for your own ends or for the ends of the Devil from whom that power comes.

God uses His own power: He doesn't rely on potions or spells and neither does He rely on the power of others to do His work. Miracles are "magic" works done by the power of God for the glory of God.

So magic relies on Satan for one's own glory and miracles rely on God for His glory.

And we of course know how corrupting Harry Potter is to the general public. Why, just yesterday I saw an eight year-old turn his parents into floating balloons...

I don't think I ever will understand the Catholic church........there are so many things about what that guy said that are just..........wrong.........

We catholics do not believe everything that kind of crackpots say. We are pretty aware that our church is an institution big enough to have a bonzo or two inside. Plus, we are more open to interpretation now.

Sadly, one of said men is now the head of the church, but in any case, he'll pass away and we will have another one. Guys like that "exorcist" are just temporary stains on the fabric of the church.

Eh, no. Magic, as defined by Christians, is uttering spells, creating potions, or just using power for your own ends or for the ends of the Devil from whom that power comes. So if you don't use spells or potions, and you don't use supernatural power it for your own (or the devil's) ends, then it's ok?

God uses His own power: He doesn't rely on potions or spells and neither does He rely on the power of others to do His work. Miracles are "magic" works done by the power of God for the glory of God.Well, Jesus wasn't God, and neither were the apostels. And how can you be sure their miracles came from god's power and not the devil's?
It doesn't come clearly labelled.

We catholics do not believe everything that kind of crackpots say. We are pretty aware that our church is an institution big enough to have a bonzo or two inside. Plus, we are more open to interpretation now.

Sadly, one of said men is now the head of the church, but in any case, he'll pass away and we will have another one. Guys like that "exorcist" are just temporary stains on the fabric of the church.

I don't assume that things that come out of the Vatican speak for all Catholics, but you must admit that a LOT of Catholics blindly follow what "The Church" says.

I have doctrinal differences with what Catholics believe and a few of them were in the article, that's why I said that I might never understand "The Catholic Church".........nothing about individual Catholics at all......

“One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing.
Um, why would a person be consenting to having demons exorcised from them if the demons are controlling them?

So if you don't use spells or potions, and you don't use supernatural power it for your own (or the devil's) ends, then it's ok?

Well, Jesus wasn't God, and neither were the apostels. And how can you be sure their miracles came from god's power and not the devil's?
It doesn't come clearly labelled.

Actually, Jesus was God, in Christian belief - that 3 in one thing, Son, Father, Holy Ghost, but all the same God. Where the apostles performed miracles, it was following or as part of a prayer to God - I can't think of an example that violates that off the top of my head, anyway.

Actually, Jesus was God, in Christian belief - that 3 in one thing, Son, Father, Holy Ghost, but all the same God. Where the apostles performed miracles, it was following or as part of a prayer to God - I can't think of an example that violates that off the top of my head, anyway.

Like fossils that was just a trick of satan. Jesus was actually the devil's son, as a good and pure god would never torture someone.


:rolleyes:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/DevilBite.gif Llew, llew, t´nera ew dalg s'ydobon neeb gniklat ni seugnot tey!

Actually, Jesus was God, in Christian belief - that 3 in one thing, Son, Father, Holy Ghost, but all the same God. Where the apostles performed miracles, it was following or as part of a prayer to God - I can't think of an example that violates that off the top of my head, anyway.

Or so said Jesus, who of course could have been a witch...and what if a witch prayed to God before she did something. Does that make it ok?

What of the irony if someone of the witches that was burned actually was Gods son/daughter :)

This is about Vatican’s chief exorcist, not the pope..

Now that I think about it again, there is no way he could be doing this without consent of either the pope or a bunch of high-ranking cardinals.