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I came across an article pretaining to a ritualistic sacrifice in my area of a dog.Link http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=12034-qqqx=1.asp
I was not overly concerned about it at first but having lived in areas of South Africa and in parts of the Indian ocean where practices such as these are carried out I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.(Also as this is my first post and I did not use any of the gun smilies please be nice)

Its usually local tribal, animist, religions in S. Africa or the pacific islands. The aim of which is to show devotion to a deity/spirit/ancestor by giving something of use up to the gods. The reason an animal is used is because it takes time, and skill to raise and train a dog/pig/goat, a tool or other random artifact can be acquired easily.

Note that abrahamic religion also practice sacrifice, Early jews sacrificed livestock to yahweh, and there is an islamic holiday involving a sacrificial feast...

although this killing is a bit of a mystery, I don't think satanists sacrifice animals. It could just be some local kids, you'd be surprised what teenagers can do when they have an unhealthy obsession with horror books/films. A kid in my high school branded a religious symbol from Dungeons&Dragons onto his arm, like literally took white-hot iron to his arm....

I came across an article pretaining to a ritualistic sacrifice in my area of a dog.Link http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=12034-qqqx=1.asp
I was not overly concerned about it at first but having lived in areas of South Africa and in parts of the Indian ocean where practices such as these are carried out I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.(Also as this is my first post and I did not use any of the gun smilies please be nice)

I believe in Santeria they use animal sacrifice in the name of Christianity.

http://www.animal-law.org/sacrifice/sacrfc.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AnimalSacrificeToday.jpg

Now this is interesting, another dog slain in a stone circle, this time in New Mexico. This might not be coincidence, Neopaganism has grown worldwide lately i'll look into it a bit more...

I came across an article pretaining to a ritualistic sacrifice in my area of a dog.Link http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=12034-qqqx=1.asp
I was not overly concerned about it at first but having lived in areas of South Africa and in parts of the Indian ocean where practices such as these are carried out I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.(Also as this is my first post and I did not use any of the gun smilies please be nice)

I don't know. They said the dog's head had been smashed, which suggests to me that it's likely some teenage "devil worshippers" rather than Afrcan or Caribbean folks. From what I've heard and seen on TV of their rituals they just slit the throat of the animal.

Its usually local tribal, animist, religions in S. Africa or the pacific islands. The aim of which is to show devotion to a deity/spirit/ancestor by giving something of use up to the gods. The reason an animal is used is because it takes time, and skill to raise and train a dog/pig/goat, a tool or other random artifact can be acquired easily.

Note that abrahamic religion also practice sacrifice, Early jews sacrificed livestock to yahweh, and there is an islamic holiday involving a sacrificial feast...

although this killing is a bit of a mystery, I don't think satanists sacrifice animals. It could just be some local kids, you'd be surprised what teenagers can do when they have an unhealthy obsession with horror books/films. A kid in my high school branded a religious symbol from Dungeons&Dragons onto his arm, like literally took white-hot iron to his arm....

I believe in Santaria they use animal sacrifice in the name of Christianity.
Prehaps the older African Nzambi religion might explain it as there are people from quite a few west african cultures resident in Ireland.(Not judging Santaria or Nzambi practices or the people who practice them).The nature of this however seems more druidic in nature given the wooded area in which the sacrifice was found and given the fact that in both Santaria,Morcumba or indeed Nazambi the sacrifice would under normal circumstances have been dismembered and its bones and organs used in other ceremonies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AnimalSacrificeToday.jpg

Now this is interesting, another dog slain in a stone circle, this time in New Mexico. This might not be coincidence, Neopaganism has grown worldwide lately i'll look into it a bit more...
Are the two related by date??Prehaps a celestial event??

Are the two related by date??Prehaps a celestial event??

the next equinox is sept. 22nd I can't think of any other seasonal event worshipped by wiccan/neopagan/druidic religions

That is absolutely terrible. The poor little defenseless dog. I have heard of several stories where children where sacrificed in Ireland by Africans a few years back. It could also just have been teenage knackers iwth nothing better to do.

That is absolutely terrible. The poor little defenseless dog. I have heard of several stories where children where sacrificed in Ireland by Africans a few years back. It could also just have been teenage knackers iwth nothing better to do.
They pulled a couple of dismembered corpses out of the river Liffey in Dublin but it was native irish people trying to cover up the murder of africans by mutilating the bodies.As for athe body of a young boy pulled from the Themes in london a few years back that was linked to gris gris.I am not so quick to asume that this is african in origin.

I came across an article pretaining to a ritualistic sacrifice in my area of a dog.Link http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=12034-qqqx=1.asp
I was not overly concerned about it at first but having lived in areas of South Africa and in parts of the Indian ocean where practices such as these are carried out I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.(Also as this is my first post and I did not use any of the gun smilies please be nice)


The animal sacrifices usually have little to do with actual dieties. They get started when a society can't really afford to eat domestic animals that often, so when they do they make it a party. We only think it's gross because we don't have much contact with the people who kill our hamburgers for us.

Also, remember the words from Enya in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Thanksgiving Dinner? Sure, I'm always up for a good animal sacrifice...
To celebrate a past victory you kill and eat the flesh of an animal. It's an animal sacrifice with pie."

I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.

Animal sacrifice is a regular feature in many rural areas of India. People make a wish to their family/local deity and rear an animal, usually goats if they can afford it, or chickens if they are poor, and when the auspicious time comes (usually the festival dedicated to the deity they are praying to), the sacrifice the animal in a ritualistic killing and then make a feast and eat it with near and dear.

In the area where I grew up (rural south India), it is usually one of the protector deities (Ayyanar, Muniyappan, Sudalai Madan Samy ...these are male deities associated with protection of devotees...also some female deities like Mariyatha, Kali etc, they are usually forms of Shakthi - the eternal consort of Shiva - the embodiment of the energy of the Universe).

The animal sacrifices usually have little to do with actual dieties. They get started when a society can't really afford to eat domestic animals that often, so when they do they make it a party. We only think it's gross because we don't have much contact with the people who kill our hamburgers for us.

Also, remember the words from Enya in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Thanksgiving Dinner? Sure, I'm always up for a good animal sacrifice...
To celebrate a past victory you kill and eat the flesh of an animal. It's an animal sacrifice with pie."

Theres nothing wrong with killing an animal which was bred for that purpose and eating it, or even hunting a wild animal to eat. but just killing an animal for a ritual is plain evil. especially if its someones pet.

I read a news story recently about a family who boiled a puppy, and when it didnt die straight away they abandoned it. they might not even get jail, but they should be strung up, at the very least. they deserve to die the way the animal did.

Theres nothing wrong with killing an animal which was bred for that purpose and eating it, or even hunting a wild animal to eat. but just killing an animal for a ritual is plain evil. especially if its someones pet.

I read a news story recently about a family who boiled a puppy, and when it didnt die straight away they abandoned it. they might not even get jail, but they should be strung up, at the very least. they deserve to die the way the animal did.

they wouldn't do that to a person who killed a human in a ritual. Frankly I don't see why animal sacrifice should be illegal, a cow is buthered in a much more painful way in a meat factory and probably 70% of the corpse is not used.

Meh, one less stupid dog to worry about.

Meh, one less stupid dog to worry about.

I like dogs:(

I like dogs:(

:D

they wouldn't do that to a person who killed a human in a ritual.

Maybe they ought to.

Frankly I don't see why animal sacrifice should be illegal, a cow is buthered in a much more painful way in a meat factory and probably 70% of the corpse is not used.

If the animal is consumed after the process, and the sacrifice isn't needlessly painful, I agree. The factory farming is far worse, and more 'barbaric'.

Its usually local tribal, animist, religions in S. Africa or the pacific islands. The aim of which is to show devotion to a deity/spirit/ancestor by giving something of use up to the gods. The reason an animal is used is because it takes time, and skill to raise and train a dog/pig/goat, a tool or other random artifact can be acquired easily.
That's sad.

The aim of it SHOULD BE to return to nature what was taken away. By taking from the earth food, in the form of animals and vegetation, something must be returned in exchange. It's only fair.

Animal sacrifice is a regular feature in many rural areas of India. People make a wish to their family/local deity and rear an animal, usually goats if they can afford it, or chickens if they are poor, and when the auspicious time comes (usually the festival dedicated to the deity they are praying to), the sacrifice the animal in a ritualistic killing and then make a feast and eat it with near and dear.

In the area where I grew up (rural south India), it is usually one of the protector deities (Ayyanar, Muniyappan, Sudalai Madan Samy ...these are male deities associated with protection of devotees...also some female deities like Mariyatha, Kali etc, they are usually forms of Shakthi - the eternal consort of Shiva - the embodiment of the energy of the Universe).
I have come across similar practices on Reunion Island where people from the Malabar reigion in India have setteled.Their variation is crossed with the local gris gris and the goat is beheaded with a sabre <machette>.Its not something I recomend for the squmeeish.The sacrfice of dogs seems to be of no real signifigance in this area as they are two to a penny and are even used as live bait for shark fishing.
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_050929_1.html

(Jumps on his Vegetarian Soapbox)

*shrugs* Being sacrificed is probably a better fate than being facotry farmed.

I've always had more respect for those that aren't afraid of killing the animal themselves rather than buying it neatly packaged in advance.

At least they could look at the animal they killed, I consider people who hunt or perform sacfirces to be morally superior to those who buy pre-slaughtered factory farmed meat.

I consider people who hunt or perform sacfirces to be morally superior to those who buy pre-slaughtered factory farmed meat.

killing animals for no reason is morally superior to killing them for food? even ones that wouldnt have been alive otherwise?

Theres nothing wrong with killing an animal which was bred for that purpose and eating it, or even hunting a wild animal to eat. but just killing an animal for a ritual is plain evil. especially if its someones pet.

I read a news story recently about a family who boiled a puppy, and when it didnt die straight away they abandoned it. they might not even get jail, but they should be strung up, at the very least. they deserve to die the way the animal did.

Well, the post of mine that you responded to was explaining that real animal sacrifice rituals performed in settings where they're an actual part of the culture actually is killing an animal to eat it. They just make a ceremony out of the killing and the cooking instead of just the eating.

When a bunch of emotionally disturbed kids hang out in a vacant lot and kill an animal together so that they can experience killing something... That's not a part of their culture. They're doing it because they are disturbed. Almost all serial killers get their start doing just that. Even people from cultures that do practice animal sacrifice would be disgusted at gratuitous killing of an animal. Though probably for very different reasons.

(Jumps on his Vegetarian Soapbox)

*shrugs* Being sacrificed is probably a better fate than being facotry farmed.

I've always had more respect for those that aren't afraid of killing the animal themselves rather than buying it neatly packaged in advance.

At least they could look at the animal they killed, I consider people who hunt or perform sacfirces to be morally superior to those who buy pre-slaughtered factory farmed meat.

Do you farm all your own produce?

Then don't bitch about me buying my meat.

That's sad.

The aim of it SHOULD BE to return to nature what was taken away. By taking from the earth food, in the form of animals and vegetation, something must be returned in exchange. It's only fair.

When you raise animals for food, their dung is returned to the earth. When we raise crops, the chaff is returned to the earth as mulch (or pig dung). We might not want it, but the earth does. Taking 50 animals and then dumping one on the ground is hardly a fair trade.

But the propose of animal sacrifice was never about giving up, it was about preserving. In the dead of winter when grain is starting to run low and the hunting is getting thing it's time to start eating the penned livestock. If everyone did it whenever they felt like it, it would mean that people either risked running out of grain or hay (fed to the animals) or running out of meat (killed the animals too soon.)

So they leave that decision up to the expert. And in ancient times the expert in everything was the priest. He told you when it was time to start planting because the rains were coming. He told you when to reap so that the food did not rot in the field. And when it was time to start killing the livestock... animal sacrifice time.

Strict hunter-gatherers (the closest to nature in the world) never had animal sacrifices. They see an animal they want to eat, they kill it, they eat it. People only have animal sacrifices when they raise their own, and have less than they'd like to eat. Modern farmers make more food than anyone could eat (lots of it just rots and gets thrown out every year) so no one feels the need for ceremony.

The animal sacrifices usually have little to do with actual dieties. They get started when a society can't really afford to eat domestic animals that often, so when they do they make it a party. We only think it's gross because we don't have much contact with the people who kill our hamburgers for us.

Also, remember the words from Enya in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Thanksgiving Dinner? Sure, I'm always up for a good animal sacrifice...
To celebrate a past victory you kill and eat the flesh of an animal. It's an animal sacrifice with pie."
That's Anya. Enya was some goofy new age music chick.

That's Anya. Enya was some goofy new age music chick.

They pronounce it Anya, but they spell it Enya.

Remember the episode where they all lost their memories? She found her drivers license and introduced herself as Enya. Prounounced like the New Age music chick.

They pronounce it Anya, but they spell it Enya.

Remember the episode where they all lost their memories? She found her drivers license and introduced herself as Enya. Prounounced like the New Age music chick.

From ritual animal sacrifice to Enya.Oy vey!!

They pronounce it Anya, but they spell it Enya.

Remember the episode where they all lost their memories? She found her drivers license and introduced herself as Enya. Prounounced like the New Age music chick.

Not according to this site.
http://www.tv.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer/show/10/cast.html
Emma Caulfield
Role: Anya
Emma has started her acting career in 1994 with a guest spot on an episode of Burke's Law . In 1995, Emma has a recurring role as Susan on Beverly Hills, 90210 in the show's sixth season. After her stint on Beverly Hills, 90210 , Emma then landed a part on the soap opera General Hospital... Read More

Not according to this site.
http://www.tv.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer/show/10/cast.html


So their reporter spelled the name phonetically. Her character's name has appeared in show credits, Credits from the games, and, like I said, she herself (the character) thought that the name was pronounced the same as the New Age singer when she forgot it, but read it on a license.

So their reporter spelled the name phonetically. Her character's name has appeared in show credits, Credits from the games, and, like I said, she herself (the character) thought that the name was pronounced the same as the New Age singer when she forgot it, but read it on a license.

Ok, so it's spelled Enya. I now officially have learned too much buffy trivia.

When you raise animals for food, their dung is returned to the earth. When we raise crops, the chaff is returned to the earth as mulch (or pig dung). We might not want it, but the earth does. Taking 50 animals and then dumping one on the ground is hardly a fair trade.

But the propose of animal sacrifice was never about giving up, it was about preserving. In the dead of winter when grain is starting to run low and the hunting is getting thing it's time to start eating the penned livestock. If everyone did it whenever they felt like it, it would mean that people either risked running out of grain or hay (fed to the animals) or running out of meat (killed the animals too soon.)

So they leave that decision up to the expert. And in ancient times the expert in everything was the priest. He told you when it was time to start planting because the rains were coming. He told you when to reap so that the food did not rot in the field. And when it was time to start killing the livestock... animal sacrifice time.

Strict hunter-gatherers (the closest to nature in the world) never had animal sacrifices. They see an animal they want to eat, they kill it, they eat it. People only have animal sacrifices when they raise their own, and have less than they'd like to eat. Modern farmers make more food than anyone could eat (lots of it just rots and gets thrown out every year) so no one feels the need for ceremony.

Wow :-) Way to take the sacredness out of it.

I came across an article pretaining to a ritualistic sacrifice in my area of a dog.Link http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=12034-qqqx=1.asp
I was not overly concerned about it at first but having lived in areas of South Africa and in parts of the Indian ocean where practices such as these are carried out I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.(Also as this is my first post and I did not use any of the gun smilies please be nice)

Animinsts/maybe VooDoo for sure, reckon it might be Africans, just last year they sacraficed a girl in London...

Rituals involving animal sacrifice
I'm in.

Wait, what was this thread about?

I'm in.

Wait, what was this thread about?

Apparently some knackers killed a dog and people think they're devil worshippers. People are idiots.

I came across an article pretaining to a ritualistic sacrifice in my area of a dog.Link http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=12034-qqqx=1.asp
I was not overly concerned about it at first but having lived in areas of South Africa and in parts of the Indian ocean where practices such as these are carried out I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on what deity or significance could be connected with this event.(Also as this is my first post and I did not use any of the gun smilies please be nice)

Rituals involving animal sacrifice?
You wait until the Jews have another temple...

Do you farm all your own produce?

Then don't bitch about me buying my meat.

*applauds*