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Our friendly oil exporting "elected" leader of Venezuela has issued this kind statement toward the US. Our other "elected" buddy of Iran then honors Chavez with a nice shiny medal. So do we continue to ignore Chavez? If you were the president of the US would you choose to ignore this fool? Would you take it serious?

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/hugo-chavez-in-iran-lets-finish-off-the-us-empire

Yes. Yes. No. Respectively.

yes yes no

I fought this was about toppling the American hegemony with the E.U :(

yes yes no

I fought this was about toppling the American hegemony with the E.U :(

Your free to hijack if you like. EU vs US hasn't been played out on NS in a few days....;)

YYN. Three for three?

As long as we ignore him, and not give him reason to complain about the US (which the Bush administration is so not doing), all he can do is drum up support from the uneducated masses of Venezuela ready to support Chavez and the already Anti-American Middle East. And really, the international community can't possibly like a leader who's friendly and supporting Iran.

Right now all he's doing is being a little bratty kid moaning and whining about the U.S.

Besides, Chavez's power comes from oil. Sounds like a good reason to start moving away from fossil fuels. That'll neutralize him in the long run.

Our friendly oil exporting "elected" leader of Venezuela has issued this kind statement toward the US. Our other "elected" buddy of Iran then honors Chavez with a nice shiny medal. So do we continue to ignore Chavez? If you were the president of the US would you choose to ignore this fool? Would you take it serious?

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/hugo-chavez-in-iran-lets-finish-off-the-us-empire

i think chavez needs us more then we need him...he is funding his social programs(which i agree with)with dollars from the u.s. from the countrys oil.

china is poised to heavily invest in the refining and industry,but that is years down the road,without us dollars coming in to fund his programs,they will collapse,as will his position of power.

he needs our money to keep his country afloat,and him in office.

i think the reality and his rhetoric is diametrically opposed...he is after all,a politician.

his rhetoric is for political and his support bases consumption,the reality is he does biz with us daily.

to answer your question..ignore him..for now.

A solid yes, yes and a no, each in order. He's like a noisy parakeet, he'll shut up when everyone leaves the room.

Besides, Chavez's power comes from oil. Sounds like a good reason to start moving away from fossil fuels. That'll neutralize him in the long run.

I agree this is an absolute must. Now I am sure these clowns will continue to hate the US. If we are not buying oil then we are at least not funding our enemies.

Because we all know such progressive and tolerant nations as Iran or Venezuela are exactly the kind of model human society needs to survive. :rolleyes:

Statements like this are all the more proof that Venezuela's vision of "saving the human race" is dangerously similar to "enslaving the human race"... I think I'd rather have that evil US empire with its religious acceptance, economic prosperity, representative democracy and civil rights than the kind of "freedom" that Chavez and his Holocaust-denying nut of an ally would give us.

It's laughable because the US Empire is going to long outlast the tyrant in Caracas or the fanatics in Iran...

Besides, Chavez's power comes from oil. Sounds like a good reason to start moving away from fossil fuels. That'll neutralize him in the long run.

No, we bleed him dry and then let him flounder when there's nothing left in his economy. Oil is approaching obsolescence as a fuel, and it's starting to change from a seller's market to a buyers market...pretty soon, the oil consumers will be dictating the terms as the reality of a plunge in oil demand and the rise of a renewable economy give us total control over the oil producers.

Yes. Yes. No. Respectively.

yes yes no

I fought this was about toppling the American hegemony with the E.U :(

YYN. Three for three?

A solid yes, yes and a no, each in order. He's like a noisy parakeet, he'll shut up when everyone leaves the room.

I'm a trendsetter. W00T!

I'm a trendsetter. W00T!

Yes, Yes, No.

Yes, yes, no, and I don't give a crap if some of you think I ought to stfu 'cause I'm not an American.

Yes, yes, no, and I don't give a crap if some of you think I ought to stfu 'cause I'm not an American.

STFU, you're not an American.

stfu non-american!

Oh and

Yes, yes, no

stfu non-american!

Oh and

Yes, yes, no

Hell yeah, further trensetting!

Hell yeah, further trensetting!

Well, it's Venezuela and Iran...not like they're a real threat to us.

They're like that player in a game of Age of Empires that only has three units, no food, and no villagers but keeps spamming the chat box about how he's going to kick everyone's ass.

Well, it's Venezuela and Iran...not like they're a real threat to us.

They're like that player in a game of Age of Empires that only has three units, no food, and no villagers but keeps spamming the chat box about how he's going to kick everyone's ass.

Oookay... why'd you quote my post? *slowly backs away, unsure of the situation*

Oookay... why'd you quote my post? *slowly backs away, unsure of the situation*

I clicked it by accident and was too lazy to delete the quote tags.

Also, it gives it an abstract art feel to the thread.

I clicked it by accident and was too lazy to delete the quote tags.

Also, it gives it an abstract art feel to the thread.

AH. Okay. *LNI, feeling safe, lets his guard down. Suddenly, a panther pounces from a nearby tree! LNI, surprised, is taken down easily, and killed with a crushing bite to the neck. The panther slowly drags LNI up into the tree, for a later feast...*

AH. Okay. *LNI, feeling safe, lets his guard down. Suddenly, a panther pounces from a nearby tree! LNI, surprised, is taken down easily, and killed with a crushing bite to the neck. The panther slowly drags LNI up into the tree, for a later feast...*

Oh noes!

I'm going in...:sniper:

What the hell one more Yes, Yes, No.

What the hell one more Yes, Yes, No.

Nebraska, eh? No-one'll be telling you to stfu, then.

*whistles and walks away, slipping hands in pockets*

Nebraska, eh? No-one'll be telling you to stfu, then.

*whistles and walks away, slipping hands in pockets*

:confused: I didn't even say anything why am I the one geting the sarcasm stick:(

:confused: I didn't even say anything why am I the one geting the sarcasm stick:(

He's Canadian don't worry about it....

He's Canadian don't worry about it....

I was just trying to get a laugh, guess it wasn't funny enough.

edit:whow, I just realized I have over a thousand posts and its only taken me a around two years:)

Nice to see Hugo is gladly providing a much needed drug fix for Real Americans™ suffering from Cindy Sheehan withdrawal.

I was just trying to get a laugh, guess it wasn't funny enough.

No, no, no. I'd noticed you were from Nebraska, is all. Had nothing to do with anything in particular. Not a commentary on your sense of wit.

No, no, no. I'd noticed you were from Nebraska, is all. Had nothing to do with anything in particular. Not a commentary on your sense of wit.

one more time:

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Gonna havta go with: Yes, yes, no.

Chavez is about as much of a threat to the US as Cuba is. Without someone pulling his strings he's just a loud voice.

Gonna havta go with: Yes, yes, no.

Chavez is about as much of a threat to the US as Cuba is. Without someone pulling his strings he's just a loud voice.And that's really it--if we didn't yank his chain, he wouldn't have half the influence he does, but our government just can't let it go.

I agree, end the US empire. Not destroy the nation but end its dominance in the world via Military and Economic control. The world should not be dictated by one nation, but rather all the nations.

Besides, Chavez's power comes from oil. Sounds like a good reason to start moving away from fossil fuels. That'll neutralize him in the long run.

Strange, but I agree.:confused:

I agree, end the US empire. Not destroy the nation but end its dominance in the world via Military and Economic control. The world should not be dictated by one nation, but rather all the nations.

But that wouldnt be any fun...and we LIKE being a hyper-power.

But that wouldnt be any fun...and we LIKE being a hyper-power.



I don't like it. And I don't think constant acts of hate and war against our nation isn't too fun.

I don't like it. And I don't think constant acts of hate and war against our nation isn't too fun.

Well of course, by "we" I meant people who support the American Empire...and every single President we've ever had while we have had this empire.:p

In other words, the "we" doesnt include you.:)

But that wouldnt be any fun...and we LIKE being a hyper-power.

And to think this all started with "No Taxation Without Representation." If George wasn't batshit insane and actually listened to the colonists in the first place this wouldn't be happening.

It's human tradition. Throw off the yokes of oppression... just so you can slap it on someone else later and have all the fun for a change.

Well of course, by "we" I meant people who support the American Empire...and every single President we've ever had while we have had this empire.:p

In other words, the "we" doesnt include you.:)

Well fine, I don't want to be part of your group anyways :p

And to think this all started with "No Taxation Without Representation." If George wasn't batshit insane and actually listened to the colonists in the first place this wouldn't be happening.

It's human tradition. Throw off the yokes of oppression... just so you can slap it on someone else later and have all the fun for a change.

Oh please...like American cultural and militaristic imperalism began with Bush.

Grow up.

Unless your talking about George Washington, in which case I'll shut up.

Well fine, I don't want to be part of your group anyways :p

Man, I wish politics and the real world was like that. :p

Oh please...like American cultural and militaristic imperalism began with Bush.

Grow up.

Unless your talking about George Washington, in which case I'll shut up.

You obviously didn't have high grades in History. That was a reference to King George the 3rd.

So please shut up.

Oh please...like American cultural and militaristic imperalism began with Bush.

Grow up.

Unless your talking about George Washington, in which case I'll shut up.


I think he was talking abou GW(note the word colonist)

I think he was talking abou GW(note the word colonist)

You obviously didn't have high grades in History. That was a reference to King George the 3rd.

So please shut up.

Someone else thought exactly the same thing...see^

I know about King George....but what you said could have related to a few Georges...so no, I wont shut up.

Someone else thought exactly the same thing...see^

I know about King George....but what you said could have related to a few Georges...so no, I wont shut up.

And he meant George Washington by GW, unless Dear Leader's actual name is George Washington Bush.

I'm supposed to expect you to keep your words and get all pissy about this?

:rolleyes:

And they call John Kerry a flip-flopper.

Yes, yes, no, and I don't give a crap if some of you think I ought to stfu 'cause I'm not an American.
Yes, yes, and no!! Encore une fois!!

And I'm supposed to expect you to keep your words and get all pissy about this?

:rolleyes:

And they call John Kerry a flip-flopper.

I'm too tired to babel with you about you being too vague for me and another poster.

I'm going to bed.

I'm too tired to babel with you about you being too vague for me and another poster.

I'm going to bed.

Since you missed the edit, I'll repeat for your benefit.

He meant George Washington when he said GW, unless you think Dear Leader's name is George Washington Bush. But hey, you're the History Major so no surprise.

You probably think Shrub crossed the Delaware on December and accepted Cornwallis's surrender at Yorktown too.

:rolleyes:

Here, I actually agree with him. The US Empire should indeed be finished off; its record is a very bloody one.

The alliance with reactionary forces whose interests happen to coalesce with his, however, is a potential tactical error.

Ah what the heck Yes, Yes, and No.

This isn't about the country despite what Chavez says, it's a personal thing, Chavez really really hates Bush for supporting the coup back in 2002. He's just a noob spamming about the person he hates. If I was president I would crack jokes about his speeches with my own speeches.

But sorry Marrakech II, but both the Presidents of Iran and Venezuela were elected fairly. In the case of Iran makes me wonder if anyone in that nation is sane.

No, no, no. I'd noticed you were from Nebraska, is all. Had nothing to do with anything in particular. Not a commentary on your sense of wit.

Oh no that comment was aimed at Marr II, and honestly the bit he quoted wasn't that funny more just silly.

Oh please...like American cultural and militaristic imperalism began with Bush.

Grow up.

Unless your talking about George Washington, in which case I'll shut up.
He was talking about the king from the time of the revolution, although some one has probably already said that.

He was talking about the king from the time of the revolution, although some one has probably already said that.

As previous posts would note, TAI is a paranoid Bushevik who sees attacks against Dear Leader every chance he gets. Note how he assumed "GW" meant "Bush" instead of "George Washington" and reneged on his deal to shut up if I wasn't talking about Shrub, which I wasn't.

..."TEHRAN, Iran — Iran awarded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez its highest state medal on Sunday for supporting Tehran in its nuclear standoff with the international community, while Chavez urged the world to rise up and defeat the U.S., state-run media in both countries reported."...


Can I ask a serious question here.. Do you people here who are saying yes, this should be ignored, truly want the US to be defeated? Where does your hate for a freedom loving country end and your love for anarchy begin? More importantly, I want to know how many people think they would be better off if the US were run in the same way as Iraq or Iran.

Although statements like this shouldn't start a war, it clearly says that there is a hate for US. That NEEDS to be taken seriously. People calling for the defeat of ths US NEED to be taken seriously.

I don't honestly know how someone who doesn't flat out hate the US could agree that men in charge of large militaries like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should be able to make statements like this to the international community and be ignored, brushed off like they don't really mean it.

No, no, yes.

As previous posts would note, TAI is a paranoid Bushevik who sees attacks against Dear Leader every chance he gets. Note how he assumed "GW" meant "Bush" instead of "George Washington" and reneged on his deal to shut up if I wasn't talking about Shrub, which I wasn't.

Yeah I was just caching up with this thread, the post I read mentioned both though it was clear you were talking about neither so I just through in my 2 cents. Any way it had all been settled already I kind of figured it would be {shrug}

..."TEHRAN, Iran — Iran awarded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez its highest state medal on Sunday for supporting Tehran in its nuclear standoff with the international community, while Chavez urged the world to rise up and defeat the U.S., state-run media in both countries reported."...


Can I ask a serious question here.. Do you people here who are saying yes, this should be ignored, truly want the US to be defeated? Where does your hate for a freedom loving country end and your love for anarchy begin? More importantly, I want to know how many people think they would be better off if the US were run in the same way as Iraq or Iran.

Although statements like this shouldn't start a war, it clearly says that there is a hate for US. That NEEDS to be taken seriously. People calling for the defeat of ths US NEED to be taken seriously.

I don't honestly know how someone who doesn't flat out hate the US could agree that men in charge of large militaries like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should be able to make statements like this to the international community and be ignored, brushed off like they don't really mean it.

No, no, yes.
Of course they aren't to found of us honestly they have a bit of a right to be pissed at us for some of the shit we pulled in both regions during the Cold War. Of course that dosen't excuse some of the shit going on now, at least in Iran, Venezuela really hasn't done anything accept make a lot of noise.

I agree, end the US empire. Not destroy the nation but end its dominance in the world via Military and Economic control. The world should not be dictated by one nation, but rather all the nations.


what ..like the u.n.

yea that would be great..some liberal or whatever dictating my life...i despise that as much as i am sure you despise neocons dictating your life..much as i do...but please..be careful what you wish for...i dont want to live by your rules,and you surely dont want to live by mine.

this is reality...the world is never going to go hand in hand..skipping thru a field of flowers

and the more the us neo cons push their way of life on the world..the more will resist....as i will resist some country trying to force their ideals on me.

i think we should all go to our respective corners...and live our lives how we want...unfortunately dictated by our respective gov's...but your op does not mean shit to me..as i am sure mine means shit to you.

i sure as hell dont want to live life as a brit..as much as i love em...they are to nanny staters for me..but i guess we in america are to cowboy for your taste.

point is...never work..the whole live in harmony thing,as sucky as it is..it's just flat reality...someone is gonna disagree and get pissed off.

But sorry Marrakech II, but both the Presidents of Iran and Venezuela were elected fairly.

I don't know where you got the idea that the Iran is in any form a democracy. A large portion of the population are unable to vote because of their political beliefs and are usually jailed. And Chavez's track record in attempting to gain power legally is dismal at best....

Besides who ever said that democracies aren't allowed to fight each other anyway? Just because a foreign government is elected doesn't mean the US can't look out for its best interests.

I don't know where you got the idea that the Iran is in any form a democracy. A large portion of the population are unable to vote because of their political beliefs and are usually jailed. And Chavez's track record in attempting to gain power legally is dismal at best....

Besides who ever said that democracies aren't allowed to fight each other anyway? Just because a foreign government is elected doesn't mean the US can't look out for its best interests.

And there you have the reasons why some countries aren't to found of us, because we are willing to overthrow democracies that we don't like in favor of dictatorships we do. Thats only led to trouble in the past and most likely will again with any future attempts.

Bring it.

..."TEHRAN, Iran — Iran awarded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez its highest state medal on Sunday for supporting Tehran in its nuclear standoff with the international community, while Chavez urged the world to rise up and defeat the U.S., state-run media in both countries reported."...


Can I ask a serious question here.. Do you people here who are saying yes, this should be ignored, truly want the US to be defeated? Where does your hate for a freedom loving country end and your love for anarchy begin? More importantly, I want to know how many people think they would be better off if the US were run in the same way as Iraq or Iran.

Although statements like this shouldn't start a war, it clearly says that there is a hate for US. That NEEDS to be taken seriously. People calling for the defeat of ths US NEED to be taken seriously.

I don't honestly know how someone who doesn't flat out hate the US could agree that men in charge of large militaries like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should be able to make statements like this to the international community and be ignored, brushed off like they don't really mean it.

No, no, yes.
Did you create a new puppet just to respond to this thread? :eek:

Perhaps a better recourse would to be to understand the root cause of such hatred?

Actually I'm brand new, Canuck

..."TEHRAN, Iran — Iran awarded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez its highest state medal on Sunday for supporting Tehran in its nuclear standoff with the international community, while Chavez urged the world to rise up and defeat the U.S., state-run media in both countries reported."...


Can I ask a serious question here.. Do you people here who are saying yes, this should be ignored, truly want the US to be defeated? Where does your hate for a freedom loving country end and your love for anarchy begin? More importantly, I want to know how many people think they would be better off if the US were run in the same way as Iraq or Iran.

Although statements like this shouldn't start a war, it clearly says that there is a hate for US. That NEEDS to be taken seriously. People calling for the defeat of ths US NEED to be taken seriously.

I don't honestly know how someone who doesn't flat out hate the US could agree that men in charge of large militaries like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should be able to make statements like this to the international community and be ignored, brushed off like they don't really mean it.

No, no, yes.

That would be the logical and correct conclusion, but this NS and that hardly counts for anything if it doesn't fall in line with some of the more batshit member's political beliefs, they will say anything to defend. :rolleyes:

And there you have the reasons why some countries aren't to found of us, because we are willing to overthrow democracies that we don't like in favor of dictatorships we do. Thats only led to trouble in the past and most likely will again with any future attempts.

And the grave just gets deeper when the United States turns on those dictatorships out of convenience (Pinochet, Noriega, Hussein, etc.) while reciting some "we are here to liberate the oppressed people" rhetoric.

Yyn.

That would be the logical and correct conclusion, but this NS and that hardly counts for anything if it doesn't fall in line with some of the more batshit member's political beliefs, they will say anything to defend. :rolleyes:

You sure 'cause to me the ignore him, Chavez, response seems to be spread fairly well across the board.

Bring it.

Dear Leader said that to the Iraqi insurgents and boy are they bringing it still.

Dear Leader said that to the Iraqi insurgents and boy are they bringing it still.

And they are paying a high price. They get raped in the arse by the Americans in a fight. It's just they have supporters who are willing to sacrifice their families to support an islamic theocracy, but then again we have pilots with good aim....


This is the trouble we get for trying to bring democracy and a better way of life to people. Next time let's just carpet bomb the whole country and take the oil. That way we'll break even, and we can really have a 'war for oil' as all the stinky unshaven hippie protestors claim.

Venezuela has oil.

Venezuela has an Anti-US leader who annoys us.

Venezuela is on our continent

Venezuela is within range of American Air power

Chavez is a nincompooop

It's go time.


It's late, I'm tired, and nothing makes sense

You sure 'cause to me the ignore him, Chavez, response seems to be spread fairly well across the board.

Doesn't mean it is a rational, just popular. A primarily conservative forum would agree on most things too but it doesn't mean their beliefs are mainstream.

And there you have the reasons why some countries aren't to found of us, because we are willing to overthrow democracies that we don't like in favor of dictatorships we do. Thats only led to trouble in the past and most likely will again with any future attempts.

And as soon as that military coup, (Which would lead to a military dictatorship. Military Dictatorship=Bad by the way.) happened in Venezuela fearless leader was the first guy to jump up and go: The military government is now in charge of Venezuela if Chavez wants it back he is an evil terrorist.

Oh and while I'm on the subject of Supporting Whack Job Military Dictatorships in Central and South America.

UK sorry for letting Argentina start the whole Falklands thing, (By supporting that Whacked out Military Dictatorship.)

Dear Leader said that to the Iraqi insurgents and boy are they bringing it still.
And Bringing it and Bringing it and Bringing it and Bringing it and...

Oh and lastly the armies of Venezuela couldn't invade squat, they're mainly set up to bring hell if we ever invade.


It's go time.


HELLO VIETN__ VENEZUELA!!! Yes another 50 soldiers died in Vietcong style raids yet again, while yet another oil well exploded in an oil company repersentive's face. Well it's our fault for invading a country who's leader basicly gave everyone an AK and then taught them how to do Guerrilla Warfare. (Chavez has been training the populace on how to wage Guerrilla Warfare)

Doesn't mean it is a rational, just popular. A primarily conservative forum would agree on most things too but it doesn't mean their beliefs are mainstream.

By across the board I meant there are people on this thread who, in my experiance, are conservative and liberal that are saying Chavez isn't anything to worry about, mean the accusation that it is just a bunch of the "more batshit member's political beliefs" is a bit off.

And that's really it--if we didn't yank his chain, he wouldn't have half the influence he does, but our government just can't let it go.

I don't see the US taking an active role in responding to this guy. I think the adminstration is basically pushing the ignore button. However they have spoke up on arms deals. That to me is not a big deal really. I do realise that alot think the US instigated the coup but really there is not any hard evidence to support that. Just Chavez claiming that fact. That could be dismissed as paranoid. In what way do you think the US is yanking his chain. We have not put an economic embargos on Venezuela that I know of.

Chavez is an irrational, hypocritical asshole who needs to keep his trap shut and stop fomenting baseless anti-US sentiment. There are certainly things to rationally, calmly, specifically criticize us about, but his wild statements and unsupported assertions are nothing close.

He especially needs to stop conspiring with other other rogue states and fossil fuel producers to undermine the US economically and politically through manipulation of the oil market, etc. That's the kind of thing that gets military planners very pissy, very fast.

And they are paying a high price. They get raped in the arse by the Americans in a fight. It's just they have supporters who are willing to sacrifice their families to support an islamic theocracy, but then again we have pilots with good aim....


This is the trouble we get for trying to bring democracy and a better way of life to people. Next time let's just carpet bomb the whole country and take the oil. That way we'll break even, and we can really have a 'war for oil' as all the stinky unshaven hippie protestors claim.

Venezuela has oil.

Venezuela has an Anti-US leader who annoys us.

Venezuela is on our continent

Venezuela is within range of American Air power

Chavez is a nincompooop

It's go time.


It's late, I'm tired, and nothing makes sense


I would actually take nazz's approach on this one. Don't think a military strike is in the cards. Can we blow the crap out of em? Of course we can but I do not think it would be an appropriate thing at this point. Now if Chavez did something dumb like send a couple of fighters out to harrass American warships in international waters. Then we could talk military action. It would have to come from Venezuela first.

Chavez is an irrational, hypocritical asshole who needs to keep his trap shut and stop fomenting baseless anti-US sentiment. There are certainly things to rationally, calmly, specifically criticize us about, but his wild statements and unsupported assertions are nothing close.

He especially needs to stop conspiring with other other rogue states and fossil fuel producers to undermine the US economically and politically through manipulation of the oil market, etc. That's the kind of thing that gets military planners very pissy, very fast.
So democracy is controlled by the oil markets? Hmmmm.

So democracy is controlled by the oil markets? Hmmmm.

The fact that most if not all of the Iraq rebuilding and military contracts went to Halliburton or its subsidiaries kind of highlights that revelation no?

So democracy is controlled by the oil markets? Hmmmm.

Democracy as we know it, is controlled by business execs.

Democracy as we know it, is controlled by business execs.

Many would argue that it has since the begining.

The fact that most if not all of the Iraq rebuilding and military contracts went to Halliburton or its subsidiaries kind of highlights that revelation no?
Oh, I fully understand. I am just waiting for that realization to filter through the brains of these staunch so called pro democracy Busheviks. It is kinda scary when one truly thinks about it.

So democracy is controlled by the oil markets? Hmmmm.

thats news....to you...hmmmm

Many would argue that it has since the begining.
And here I am thinking that it was all about the price of tea!! :rolleyes:

Many would argue that it has since the begining.

I can see that. We are country that worships that almighty dollar. When we say one nation under god, the god is ability to buy more, no matter what.

And here I am thinking that it was all about the price of tea!! :rolleyes:

I am running down tomorrow in my best indian dress to dump a barrel of oil in the bay.

I can see that. We are country that worships that almighty dollar. When we say one nation under god, the god is ability to buy more, no matter what.

Well it is like that all over the world. Yet to see any difference of all the places I have been.

Oh, I fully understand. I am just waiting for that realization to filter through the brains of these staunch so called pro democracy Busheviks. It is kinda scary when one truly thinks about it.


Pro democracy only when it has economical benefits. Why not bring help Tibet gain independence and be under a democratic gov't? They are opressed too..oh wait..not sweet crude oil there.

Well it is like that all over the world. Yet to see any difference of all the places I have been.


Well lets change it! We sit here and show discontent towards these ideas, and wrong doings, yet we are not willing to change it. We need to stand up against these money hungry facists and take our country to a new level. A true democracy, where the well being of people is above the wants of our greedy desires.

The fact that most if not all of the Iraq rebuilding and military contracts went to Halliburton or its subsidiaries kind of highlights that revelation no?
*Points to Location Tag*

I can see that. We are country that worships that almighty dollar. When we say one nation under god, the god is ability to buy more, no matter what.
(Fictional Story\ Urban Legend about money)

There was once a man who drove a very expensive car, one day there was a major accident and some person totaled his car as he was getting in. Eventually the police showed up. The conversation went something like this.

Man:"That ****er wrecked my car!"
Police:"Sir you need medical attention."
Man:"I just spent tons of money on that, now I'm late for my meeting with the board also."
Police:"Sir the medics are here we're going to have to take you to the hospital."
Man:"But what about my car."
Police:"FORGET YOUR CAR YOUR ARM'S BEEN CHOPPED OFF!"
Man: "Oh no my Rolex!"

Well lets change it! We sit here and show discontent towards these ideas, and wrong doings, yet we are not willing to change it. We need to stand up against these money hungry facists and take our country to a new level. A true democracy, where the well being of people is above the wants of our greedy desires.
Damn Commie! Wanting equality? How dare you! (Sacarsm)

The religion that controls leaders.
Their religious symbol: $
Their holy place: The New York Stock Exchange
Their Church: A Bank
Their morals: They have none.

*Points to Location Tag*

Ahh...

Damn Commie! Wanting equality? How dare you! (Sacarsm)

The religion that controls leaders.
Their religious symbol: $
Their holy place: The New York Stock Exchange
Their Church: A Bank
Their morals: They have none.

It's Scientology without the alien mumbo jumbo.

Oil is approaching obsolescence as a fuel, and it's starting to change from a seller's market to a buyers market...pretty soon, the oil consumers will be dictating the terms as the reality of a plunge in oil demand and the rise of a renewable economy give us total control over the oil producers.

And the world is flat and pigs can fly. Dunno where you get that kind of information, but oil demand is climbing every year with absolutely no sign of slowing down. China and India are catching up on automotive mobility, plastic products are popular as ever and insanely overpowered cars are still the thing to have.

(Fictional Story\ Urban Legend about money)

There was once a man who drove a very expensive car, one day there was a major accident and some person totaled his car as he was getting in. Eventually the police showed up. The conversation went something like this.

Man:"That ****er wrecked my car!"
Police:"Sir you need medical attention."
Man:"I just spent tons of money on that, now I'm late for my meeting with the board also."
Police:"Sir the medics are here we're going to have to take you to the hospital."
Man:"But what about my car."
Police:"FORGET YOUR CAR YOUR ARM'S BEEN CHOPPED OFF!"
Man: "Oh no my Rolex!"
You have made me laugh!! Well done!! :D

Our friendly oil exporting "elected" leader of Venezuela has issued this kind statement toward the US. Our other "elected" buddy of Iran then honors Chavez with a nice shiny medal. So do we continue to ignore Chavez? If you were the president of the US would you choose to ignore this fool? Would you take it serious?

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/hugo-chavez-in-iran-lets-finish-off-the-us-empire

Ignore him. He's saying this for local political consumption, and his own unashamed self-aggrandizement.

And the world is flat and pigs can fly. Dunno where you get that kind of information, but oil demand is climbing every year with absolutely no sign of slowing down. China and India are catching up on automotive mobility, plastic products are popular as ever and insanely overpowered cars are still the thing to have.

Demand growth is actually slowing down and India and China are making the biggest investments in alternative energy and fuels in the entire world. They know how risky it will be to become dependent on foreign imports for their economic security and they want to get off of them as fast as possible; China's locking in oil supplies now so that they have secure supplies until their projects can start reducing demand.

Alternative fuels are rapidly approaching oil in terms of EROEI, economics, productive capacity and fuel efficiency; oil is only marginally more economical than these fuels and the gap is narrowing as production costs for oil rise. Hybrid engines are becoming cost competitive with ordinary combustion engines and are being added to an increasing number of vehicles of all sizes, and hydrogen technology is being transformed from an uneconomical dream to a functioning fuel.

All of the roles oil fills today are approaching obsolesence; the one area where it is still dominant, plastics, only accounts for 4% of all oil demand and is easily supported by domestic production in most countries. Oil still has the economic edge now, but that gap is narrowing more and more; I say beyond a doubt that oil will be obsolete before 2020 and totally out of use by 2050.

Well, it's obvious. Give the CIA a free reign and no oversight, and the problem will go away.

Well, it's obvious. Give the CIA a free reign and no oversight, and the problem will go away.

No, not the CIA, they're incompotent, the Mob is way better, and cheaper probably.

What? Someone hates the U.S.? Send in the million-dollar-a-pop cruise missiles! Or maybe just an air strike... yeah... like the way they blew up that drug dealer in Clear and Present Danger. Who cares that we'll probably kill a bunch of innocents in the process? The ends justify the means, baby. GO USA!



Seriously, are we so bereft of the moral high ground that we can't allow some fat socialist to lambast us without getting our panties in a bunch? Let him rot in his crappy developing country. Then, when he screws the country up enough (or if there is a hurricane that screws it up) we can be there with aid and whatnot. That would undercut his claims that we're evil more than us sending a swarm of missiles or a gaggle of assassins into his palace.

Can I ask a serious question here.. Do you people here who are saying yes, this should be ignored, truly want the US to be defeated? Where does your hate for a freedom loving country end and your love for anarchy begin? More importantly, I want to know how many people think they would be better off if the US were run in the same way as Iraq or Iran.

Although statements like this shouldn't start a war, it clearly says that there is a hate for US. That NEEDS to be taken seriously. People calling for the defeat of ths US NEED to be taken seriously.

I don't honestly know how someone who doesn't flat out hate the US could agree that men in charge of large militaries like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should be able to make statements like this to the international community and be ignored, brushed off like they don't really mean it.

No, no, yes.

Saying that this should be ignored is not equal to saying the USA should be defeated. Nor does this say anything about our 'hate for a freedom loving country' or a 'love for anarchy'.

Many people in the middle east and latin america have no love for what they perceive to be US imperialism. In latin america, calling for a struggle against such imperialism is seen as supporting local culture against a foreign oppressor. It would help if the USA did not openly support people like Hussein, Pinochet, Noriega, etc.

Chavez is nothing more than s mosquito bite. Just ignore it. Scratching it leads to an infection.

He's an idiot who has had the door slammed in his face based on election results in Mexico and Peru.

Yes, yes, no, and I don't give a crap if some of you think I ought to stfu 'cause I'm not an American.
I support my international brothers wh are being silenced for their lack of USian citizenship!

anyway, YYN

Well, it's obvious. Give the CIA a free reign and no oversight, and the problem will go away.

Why when we can just let the defense department take over all investigative departments in the nation. Next thing we know the FBI will be run by the military too.

Demand growth is actually slowing down No. (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/oil.html)

and India and China are making the biggest investments in alternative energy and fuels in the entire world.
Maybe in absolute terms, Germany is investing a lot more per capita and still among the major consumers of oil.

Yes, Yes, and NO. Who gives. I badmouth the USA daily and I don't expect ... *looks down hallway*... and I don't expect Deltas storming my flat. Same goes for Most of the world's leaders who have had something to say about the US at some point in time.

Erm...yes yes no? I support Chavez partly.

*Points to Location Tag*


(Fictional Story\ Urban Legend about money)

There was once a man who drove a very expensive car, one day there was a major accident and some person totaled his car as he was getting in. Eventually the police showed up. The conversation went something like this.

Man:"That ****er wrecked my car!"
Police:"Sir you need medical attention."
Man:"I just spent tons of money on that, now I'm late for my meeting with the board also."
Police:"Sir the medics are here we're going to have to take you to the hospital."
Man:"But what about my car."
Police:"FORGET YOUR CAR YOUR ARM'S BEEN CHOPPED OFF!"
Man: "Oh no my Rolex!"


I always have heard that as a lawyer joke... its funnier that way! :p

Finish off? Getting a little ahead of onseself dont you think?

Anyway, I say I want to destroy the world, doesnt mean I am going to even try.

I'm not American but I don't think he matters too much. He's more of a joke than anything. His comments regarding the Falklands were a bit stupid as it's none of his business, but he's so unimportant that he doesn't justify a response. He just doesn't know how to act with dignity.

I'd just ignore him.

Yes, yes, no.

Now he's taking long hot showers with the president of Syria.

Funny how all these scumbags find each other.

Our friendly oil exporting "elected" leader of Venezuela has issued this kind statement toward the US. Our other "elected" buddy of Iran then honors Chavez with a nice shiny medal. So do we continue to ignore Chavez? If you were the president of the US would you choose to ignore this fool? Would you take it serious?

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/hugo-chavez-in-iran-lets-finish-off-the-us-empire



Who cares what that ignorant fool thinks!


:upyours: Chavez!

And they are paying a high price. They get raped in the arse by the Americans in a fight. It's just they have supporters who are willing to sacrifice their families to support an islamic theocracy, but then again we have pilots with good aim....


Pilots with good aim? I remeber this story a few years ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/2595641.stm

To be honest i lost count of the friendly fire count i while ago, whats the friendly fire count for the americans in iraq now?

I always have heard that as a lawyer joke... its funnier that way! :p

Lawyer jokes are too cliche now, my version is about any sort of Greedy bastard.