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so i just got on the bus and four scobes got on as well (scobes are chavs in England, i dunno what they are called in America). so they sat near me and started calling me red head and certain other names. then one of them started kicking my leg and then he wiped some stuff on my leg so i pushed him back with said leg. they didn't like this and squared upto me. now i'm a biggish guy (6ft 4) and i do have an attitude so i stood tall. then one of them punched me. it was hard but not that bad and i have a fairly good pain barrier. but i realised four on one were not odds in my favour so i pushed past and sat at the front.
so as they were getting off, the biggest one passed and just stepped back and cheap shotted me. he was A LOT stronger. my face is now all fucking bruised. seriously, all i was doing was getting the bus home and i get assaulted. what a fucking joke society is

So why bother us about it? You should have called the cops.

So why bother us about it? You should have called the cops.

and they would have done what? nothing. thats whats the joke. and i'm not exactly bothering you about it.

This wouldn't happen in America, you could shoot them. According to some.

Of course, you'd probably get shot back, but that irrelevent, apparently.

so i just got on the bus and four scobes got on as well (scobes are chavs in England, i dunno what they are called in America). so they sat near me and started calling me red head and certain other names. then one of them started kicking my leg and then he wiped some stuff on my leg so i pushed him back with said leg. they didn't like this and squared upto me. now i'm a biggish guy (6ft 4) and i do have an attitude so i stood tall. then one of them punched me. it was hard but not that bad and i have a fairly good pain barrier. but i realised four on one were not odds in my favour so i pushed past and sat at the front.
so as they were getting off, the biggest one passed and just stepped back and cheap shotted me. he was A LOT stronger. my face is now all fucking bruised. seriously, all i was doing was getting the bus home and i get assaulted. what a fucking joke society is

I hear burberry baseball caps give off a certain scent which might confuse them into thinking you're one of them. Carry one in your trouser pocket and their keen sense of smell will identify you as one of the pack.

so i just got on the bus and four scobes got on as well (scobes are chavs in England, i dunno what they are called in America). so they sat near me and started calling me red head and certain other names. then one of them started kicking my leg and then he wiped some stuff on my leg so i pushed him back with said leg. they didn't like this and squared upto me. now i'm a biggish guy (6ft 4) and i do have an attitude so i stood tall. then one of them punched me. it was hard but not that bad and i have a fairly good pain barrier. but i realised four on one were not odds in my favour so i pushed past and sat at the front.
so as they were getting off, the biggest one passed and just stepped back and cheap shotted me. he was A LOT stronger. my face is now all fucking bruised. seriously, all i was doing was getting the bus home and i get assaulted. what a fucking joke society is


You live in a society where the assholes are allowed to punch you in the face, and you're expected to remain civil at all costs without defending yourself. And the assholes know this.

You're surprised because you don't know this.

You live in a society where the assholes are allowed to punch you in the face, and you're expected to remain civil at all costs without defending yourself. And the assholes know this.

You're surprised because you don't know this.

i would have defended myself better had there not been four of them. of course in doing that i'd probably be lying in the street after being stabbed right about now...

sucks - sorry to hear that. take a self defense course?

i would have defended myself better had there not been four of them. of course in doing that i'd probably be lying in the street after being stabbed right about now...

there weren't other people on the bus that might have helped you? I can't believe crap like that goes down and nobody does anything. I would be afraid to live in a place like that.

i would have defended myself better had there not been four of them. of course in doing that i'd probably be lying in the street after being stabbed right about now...

You also live in a country where you can't own the means to defend yourself against a group.

Let's say you took a course in karate. It might be several years until you're really good enough - and most courses don't really teach you full contact - how to really hurt someone. You're still not going to be any good against four.

You could always shout for the police, but you'll get your ass kicked before they show up.

Saw several crime shows while I was in London. It looks like getting your ass kicked on CCTV by people who are never caught is the national sport.

there weren't other people on the bus that might have helped you? I can't believe crap like that goes down and nobody does anything. I would be afraid to live in a place like that.

I would bet that if someone is beating someone else up, and not you, if you interfere, you're likely to be charged with assault by the police, since you were not under threat.

7 Easy self-defense things:

1) Kick 'em in the nuts. Leave.
2) Have a gun in your pocket, slightly visible to your opponent (it only has to LOOK real...)
3) Karate/jujitsu education
4) Smokebombs
5) "Look over there! It's a ____!"
6) Beat YOURSELF up. This will work anywhere, if applied properly.
7) Combo of the above

and they would have done what? nothing. thats whats the joke. and i'm not exactly bothering you about it.

Well, nothing's been done about it now, 'cause you obviously preferred it that way. Why didn't you start a thread about your awful complacency instead?

If you won't take steps to change the outcome of an injustice perpetrated against you, that outcome is certain - if instead you'd called the cops, there might not have been a guarantee of a positive outcome, but there would at least have been that possibility. By doing nothing, you guarantee an unsatisfactory status quo.

And you come in here to complain. I'd say that's being both bothersome and fatalistic.

I would bet that if someone is beating someone else up, and not you, if you interfere, you're likely to be charged with assault by the police, since you were not under threat.

And I bet I can fit two dozen midgets into a Volvo.

there weren't other people on the bus that might have helped you? I can't believe crap like that goes down and nobody does anything. I would be afraid to live in a place like that.

there were about four other people on the bus. they sat there and did nothing. which wasn't very helpful. and shit like that happens all the time. just rarely to me cos i'll put up a fight

I would bet that if someone is beating someone else up, and not you, if you interfere, you're likely to be charged with assault by the police, since you were not under threat.

I guess it's a good thing I live where I do. People don't really go around acting like that and if they did, they probably wouldn't make it out of the bus without some bruises and stuff. You don't just punch someone around here, but hey, we are all rednecks, so it doesn't count.

How big were these guys? I mean your 6'4 and you say you weren't able to defend yourself.

I guess it's a good thing I live where I do. People don't really go around acting like that and if they did, they probably wouldn't make it out of the bus without some bruises and stuff. You don't just punch someone around here, but hey, we are all rednecks, so it doesn't count.

Just us crazy Americans. We got a briefing from London police (for people in our company who were staying there for a few months). We were told that if attacked, do not resist - it usually results in charges for the people being attacked. It will in all likelihood be on CCTV, but odds are they won't figure out who did it. And above all, if you see someone else being attacked, leave and make a call. If you interfere, you'll be charged.

It's why I'm not going back.

Well, nothing's been done about it now, 'cause you obviously preferred it that way. Why didn't you start a thread about your awful complacency instead?

If you won't take steps to change the outcome of an injustice perpetrated against you, that outcome is certain - if instead you'd called the cops, there might not have been a guarantee of a positive outcome, but there would at least have been that possibility. By doing nothing, you guarantee an unsatisfactory status quo.

And you come in here to complain. I'd say that's being both bothersome and fatalistic.

i call the cops on the people that were already gone? also, knowing the people where i live reporting this sort of thing will only lead to more trouble. and yes, i come in here to complain. so is my right. you don't like it. don't read. simple

i call the cops on the people that were already gone? also, knowing the people where i live reporting this sort of thing will only lead to more trouble. and yes, i come in here to complain. so is my right. you don't like it. don't read. simple

You'll have to forgive Dobbs. He actually believes that if you call the police, they will save you from being assaulted.

Just us crazy Americans. We got a briefing from London police (for people in our company who were staying there for a few months). We were told that if attacked, do not resist - it usually results in charges for the people being attacked. It will in all likelihood be on CCTV, but odds are they won't figure out who did it. And above all, if you see someone else being attacked, leave and make a call. If you interfere, you'll be charged.

It's why I'm not going back.

wow. sucky.

How big were these guys? I mean your 6'4 and you say you weren't able to defend yourself.

they were smaller than me. but there was 4 and i wouldn't be surprised if they had knives. also, despite my height, i'm actually not that strong and definately not a great fighter. i probably could have taken any of them singularily but all four? it'd end in me seriously hurt. rather than just bruised and swollen

Just us crazy Americans. We got a briefing from London police (for people in our company who were staying there for a few months). We were told that if attacked, do not resist - it usually results in charges for the people being attacked. It will in all likelihood be on CCTV, but odds are they won't figure out who did it. And above all, if you see someone else being attacked, leave and make a call. If you interfere, you'll be charged.

And I do not believe you for a second. The police in the UK have made it clear on numerous occassions that self defence is perfectly OK, as long as you don't use excessive force. I think you're talking total bullshit, which wouldn't surprise me.

And I do not believe you for a second. The police in the UK have made it clear on numerous occassions that self defence is perfectly OK, as long as you don't use excessive force. I think you're talking total bullshit, which wouldn't surprise me.
Nope. The police said that as Americans, who are not used to UK law on "force", we should not resist at all.

Because they saw us as very likely to overreact, compared to someone from the UK.

people on buses tend not to help God knows why

what you should do is travel in a group or smack the leader (chavs are pack animals) once there leader is out the rest fuck right off *tried and tested*

And I do not believe you for a second. The police in the UK have made it clear on numerous occassions that self defence is perfectly OK, as long as you don't use excessive force. I think you're talking total bullshit, which wouldn't surprise me.

It's all part of his "Everything is solved at the barrel of a gun" agenda.

DK is not just the type to bring a gun to a fistfight, he doesnt feel comfortable unless he has a bazooka in his trunk during a thumb wrestling tournament, just in case.

Funny, I have had problems with gun and knife carrying gang members in LA where I lived as the minority but the most I ever got was some bruises as well a a bit of ego hurt, and I never wielded a weapon once.

You'll have to forgive Dobbs. He actually believes that if you call the police, they will save you from being assaulted.

I believe that if you report a crime and give a description to the police, there's at least the chance of something positive coming of it, if not for Mr. Orange, then perhaps for some other person who might be victimized by these hoods.

Not doing anything about it at all is a guarantee that not only will these aggressors go completely unpunished, but that they will remain at liberty to repeat their transgressions.

Of course, it's far easier to do nothing. And then come onto NSG and complain. Isn't it, DK?

Funny, I have had problems with gun and knife carrying gang members in LA where I lived as the minority but the most I ever got was some bruises as well a a bit of ego hurt, and I never wielded a weapon once.
Funny, a personal friend did what you did, and lost both of his hands. While my method worked for me on more than one occasion.

Without calling the police.

Nope. The police said that as Americans, who are not used to UK law on "force", we should not resist at all.

Because they saw us as very likely to overreact, compared to someone from the UK.

Of course.

I believe that if you report a crime and give a description to the police, there's at least the chance of something positive coming of it, if not for Mr. Orange, then perhaps for some other person who might be victimized by these hoods.

Not doing anything about it at all is a guarantee that not only will these aggressors go completely unpunished, but that they will remain at liberty to repeat their transgressions.

Of course, it's far easier to do nothing. And then come onto NSG and complain. Isn't it, DK?

Complaining to the police is unlikely to result in prosecution. Certainly, it's better than not complaining.

But it's not as good as seeing them run off the bus when they find out you're armed.

so i just got on the bus and four scobes got on as well (scobes are chavs in England, i dunno what they are called in America). so they sat near me and started calling me red head and certain other names. then one of them started kicking my leg and then he wiped some stuff on my leg so i pushed him back with said leg. they didn't like this and squared upto me. now i'm a biggish guy (6ft 4) and i do have an attitude so i stood tall. then one of them punched me. it was hard but not that bad and i have a fairly good pain barrier. but i realised four on one were not odds in my favour so i pushed past and sat at the front.
so as they were getting off, the biggest one passed and just stepped back and cheap shotted me. he was A LOT stronger. my face is now all fucking bruised. seriously, all i was doing was getting the bus home and i get assaulted. what a fucking joke society is

Your problem now is that they now "know" they can bully you(hell .. attack you!) without you defending yourself. You're gonna have to let them know you ain't gonna take their shit or things could get much worse and someone end up getting really hurt. Four or not.. when that second guy popped you on the way out, you should've leveled him. More than likely the other 3 would puss out, but even if not you would've already had an advantage with your adrenaline going and being in defensive mode. You gotta stand up for yourself man. I hope you guys don't have another confrontation. But I only see that happeneing if you don't have to be around them anymore. Good luck and don't take no shit.

Funny, a personal friend did what you did, and lost both of his hands. While my method worked for me on more than one occasion.

Without calling the police.

Jesus, I'm glad I'm not friend or family of yours.

Every single one seems to have some tale of woe that is strangely perfectly relevant, and and pretty much equivalent, to the conversation at hand, yet one where your friend came off much worse if they didn't have a gun, or had a miraculous escape if they did have a gun.

You must be bad luck or something.

Either that or you make up bullshit anecdotal evidence to try and back yourself up.

I think I know which one it is.

I believe that if you report a crime and give a description to the police, there's at least the chance of something positive coming of it, if not for Mr. Orange, then perhaps for some other person who might be victimized by these hoods.

Not doing anything about it at all is a guarantee that not only will these aggressors go completely unpunished, but that they will remain at liberty to repeat their transgressions.

Of course, it's far easier to do nothing. And then come onto NSG and complain. Isn't it, DK?

trust me, the description of these people would not help as they all really dress and look the same. anytimes i've reported something to the police before absolutely nothing has happened. and if they found out i did report it, i'm sure i would end up with my windows put in. or worse with the shit kicked out of me and a screwdriver kicked into the back of my head (the fate of a guy not 30 seconds away from my house...)

Funny, a personal friend did what you did, and lost both of his hands. While my method worked for me on more than one occasion.

Without calling the police.

Well seeing as how he was a personal friend of yours he was probably violent and not smart enough to talk his way out of it.

Well seeing as how he was a personal friend of yours he was probably violent and not smart enough to talk his way out of it.

No, he was a pacifist. He tried talking to six men who wanted his wallet. He immediately handed it over, and they took this as a signal that it was ok to have fun with him.

So they cut his hands off, one at a time. He never resisted at all.

Now he wishes that he had carried a gun.

people on buses tend not to help God knows why

what you should do is travel in a group or smack the leader (chavs are pack animals) once there leader is out the rest fuck right off *tried and tested*


Well they had no reason to help from what he told us. Now.. if it had escalated and they jumped him and was beating him down.. then is when someone might want to help him. But someone walking past and punching someone else, there isn't any need. Up to the punchee to do something about that. lol

Jesus, I'm glad I'm not friend or family of yours.

Every single one seems to have some tale of woe that is strangely perfectly relevant, and and pretty much equivalent, to the conversation at hand, yet one where your friend came off much worse if they didn't have a gun, or had a miraculous escape if they did have a gun.

You must be bad luck or something.

Either that or you make up bullshit anecdotal evidence to try and back yourself up.

I think I know which one it is.

lol - you got that right

Dk personally knows everyone
has beeen everywhere
has lived thru everything
and comes on NSG to share his worldly wisdom that doesnt hold true for anyone else in the real world.

funny that.

lol - you got that right

Dk personally knows everyone
has beeen everywhere
has lived thru everything
and comes on NSG to share his worldly wisdom that doesnt hold true for anyone else in the real world.

funny that.

Funny that. Want to meet the man with no hands? Want to come to the company offices in London, and ask the employees about what the London police told us?

No, he was a pacifist. He tried talking to six men who wanted his wallet. He immediately handed it over, and they took this as a signal that it was ok to have fun with him.

So they cut his hands off, one at a time. He never resisted at all.

Now he wishes that he had carried a gun.

where the fuck do you live!?

Wouldn’t this of hit national news and witch hunts commenced?

This wouldn't happen in America, you could shoot them. According to some.

Of course, you'd probably get shot back, but that irrelevent, apparently.

Only in Florida. ;)

well, if you were a muslim jihadist, next time you get on the bus you could wear a special vest....full of c-4. and when they fuck with you again... BAM!. AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH! ALLAAH!

No, he was a pacifist. He tried talking to six men who wanted his wallet. He immediately handed it over, and they took this as a signal that it was ok to have fun with him.

So they cut his hands off, one at a time. He never resisted at all.

Now he wishes that he had carried a gun.


suuuuuuuuuure that happened

if it did then just as I suspected... your friend was an idiot

suuuuuuuuuure that happened

if it did then just as I suspected... your friend was an idiot
What was idiotic about being completely cooperative and unarmed?

Funny that. Want to meet the man with no hands? Want to come to the company offices in London, and ask the employees about what the London police told us?

Yes I do.

Yes I do.

Send me a TG. You pay for the plane tickets to DC and London.

Well they had no reason to help from what he told us. Now.. if it had escalated and they jumped him and was beating him down.. then is when someone might want to help him. But someone walking past and punching someone else, there isn't any need. Up to the punchee to do something about that. lol

i must say i agree. but since they were off the bus as i reeled from the second punch there was little i could do. and no i'm not rambo enough to jump off after them i'm afraid

What was idiotic about being completely cooperative and unarmed?

the being completely cooperative part

being a pacifist doesnt mean you give in to everyone elses whims without complaining or taking some sort of action.

Send me a TG. You pay for the plane tickets to DC and London.

no send him my yahoo screen name and have him contact me so that I can web cam with him and talk with him that way. much cheaper.

the being completely cooperative part

being a pacifist doesnt mean you give in the everyone elses whims without complaining or taking some sort of action.

Sorry, he was completely cooperative.

It's the standard thing here when you're attacked by MS-13 for them to cut your hands off.

MS-13

:rolleyes:

Could you quit with the pseudo-military banter? Maybe deign to speak like the common folk? Or is that simply not done in Herndon these days?

Send me a TG. You pay for the plane tickets to DC and London.

can we set up an NS fund raiser? for it I think we should call it the "DK is a bullshitter fund" *jumps on bandwagon*

:rolleyes:

Could you quit with the pseudo-military banter? Maybe deign to speak like the common folk? Or is that simply not done in Herndon these days?

It's not military banter, you uneducated person.

Mara Salvatrucha 13

The name of a gang here.

:rolleyes:

Could you quit with the pseudo-military banter? Maybe deign to speak like the common folk? Or is that simply not done in Herndon these days?

actually MS-13 is an El Salvadorian gang. They are pretty brutal.

can we set up an NS fund raiser? for it I think we should call it the "DK is a bullshitter fund" *jumps on bandwagon*

And if you're wrong, I get to keep all the money.

It's not military banter, you uneducated person.

Mara Salvatrucha 13

The name of a gang here.


Well I dont think they made it up to Canada yet and it does sound military.

They came to the US by way of Los Angeles first


edit: but know it is not "standard" for them to cut off the hands of their victims. I had to look online and I found ONE case where "a 16-year-old boy had his hands almost completely chopped off with a machete"

It's not military banter, you uneducated person.

Mara Salvatrucha 13

The name of a gang here.

Name of a gang there? I see. And, so - what? Am I supposed to be familiar with 'the Observer's Guidebook to the Street-Gangs of Herndon, Virginia', you presumptive prig?

And if you're wrong, I get to keep all the money.

no you get a free flight to London with your friend

Name of a gang there? I see. And, so - what? Am I supposed to be familiar with 'the Observer's Guidebook to the Street-Gangs of Herndon, Virginia', you presumptive prig?

You're the presumptuous one who put his foot in his mouth.

MS-13 is a well-known gang across Mexico and the US.

It's not military banter, you uneducated person.

Mara Salvatrucha 13

The name of a gang here.


Never heard of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek/

Damn.. in northern Va.!

Name of a gang there? I see. And, so - what? Am I supposed to be familiar with 'the Observer's Guidebook to the Street-Gangs of Herndon, Virginia', you presumptive prig?

Uhhh, Ja. Didnt ya' get the memo?

Never heard of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek/

Damn.. in northern Va.!

Yes, as usual, DK knows what he's talking about...

You're the presumptuous one who put his foot in his mouth.

MS-13 is a well-known gang across Mexico and the US.

Never heard of it before now. Perhaps it's not nearly as well-known as you presume it to be, Mr. Know-it-all American Man.

Never heard of it before now. Perhaps it's not nearly as well-known as you presume it to be, Mr. Know-it-all American Man.

Well known enough to warrant a story in Newsweek. Well known enough to be watched and mentioned repeatedly by the Feds here.

Never heard of it before now. Perhaps it's not nearly as well-known as you presume it to be, Mr. Know-it-all American Man.

No, I think you're wrong...as three other posts now(including myself, excluding DK) have heard of this gang.

When ya lose, you really lose.:D

Well known enough to warrant a story in Newsweek. Well known enough to be watched and mentioned repeatedly by the Feds here.

Which means just about nothing to someone living exterior to your culture, fella. Don't assume the rest of the planet cares enough to read about every lil' American wiping of the nose.

ept. 10, 2005 — In the suburbs of Washington, D.C., police in once-quiet neighborhoods are waging war against the Central American gang Mara Salvatrucha 13, or MS-13.

Roughly translated, the gang's name means "Salvadoran gang, fear us."

"MS-13's more prone to violence — anything from robberies to shootings to cuttings, machete cuttings, people being beaten with baseball bats, pipes," said Sgt. George Norris of the Prince George's County Police Department in Maryland.

"A lot of rapes," he added, "especially of younger females, Latino females."

Norris estimates there are now 1,000 MS-13 gang members in his county alone. With an estimated 10,000 members in 33 states, the FBI says the gang is now spreading from the nation's cities into the suburbs.

Residents in neatly manicured northern Virginia are scared. Brenda Paz, a 17-year-old pregnant girl there, was nearly beheaded in 2003 after the gang learned she was helping police in a murder investigation.

"When I moved here," a local resident said, "I never heard of any gang activities. I never heard of people having their fingers chopped off."

Their weapon of choice is large numbers of young men wielding machetes.

Try and talk your way out of that - it doesn't happen.

No, I think you're wrong...as three other posts now(including myself, excluding DK) have heard of this gang.

And all Americans. Your point being, Mr. Backwater?

Which means just about nothing to someone living exterior to your culture, fella. Don't assume the rest of the planet cares enough to read about every lil' American wiping of the nose.

And now you've admitted you have no idea what goes on in America...

:rolleyes:

Could you quit with the pseudo-military banter? Maybe deign to speak like the common folk? Or is that simply not done in Herndon these days?

MS-13 isn't military banter, it's the name of a supremely violent band of thug-holes from Central America who've made significant strides into Gangland, USA. I don't normally shout about the 2nd Amendment or capital punishment, but in the case of these sub-humans, I make an exception.

Their weapon of choice is large numbers of young men wielding machetes.

Try and talk your way out of that - it doesn't happen.

If the four guys messing with Oranges would've been these type folk.. My advice would've been different. heh

And all Americans. Your point being, Mr. Backwater?

Oh please...dont try to distance yourself away from us by claiming you dont know about "stupid things like our gangs"

Every heard of the bloods, the cripts?

You're not talking your way out of this...."Mr. Backwater"????

MS-13 isn't military banter, it's the name of a supremely violent band of thug-holes from Central America who've made significant strides into Gangland, USA. I don't normally shout about the 2nd Amendment or capital punishment, but in the case of these sub-humans, I make an exception.

Exactly, Dobbs is just trying to make himself seem dumb so it looks like he isnt aware of what goes on inside this country. :rolleyes:


NOT WORKING

That's Crips *throws up sign*

When out-numbered, use a substitute weapon. Keys on a key ring is a good example, put your keys between your knuckles like Wolverine. Aims for eye, throat, solar plexus. Pummel. Repeat until brain tissue is visible.

so i just got on the bus and four scobes got on as well (scobes are chavs in England, i dunno what they are called in America). so they sat near me and started calling me red head and certain other names. then one of them started kicking my leg and then he wiped some stuff on my leg so i pushed him back with said leg. they didn't like this and squared upto me. now i'm a biggish guy (6ft 4) and i do have an attitude so i stood tall. then one of them punched me. it was hard but not that bad and i have a fairly good pain barrier. but i realised four on one were not odds in my favour so i pushed past and sat at the front.
so as they were getting off, the biggest one passed and just stepped back and cheap shotted me. he was A LOT stronger. my face is now all fucking bruised. seriously, all i was doing was getting the bus home and i get assaulted. what a fucking joke society is

And now you've admitted you have no idea what goes on in America...

I've admitted to having no interest whatsoever in you country's internal street-crime issues, yes. Are you seeking to discredit me on that basis?

Hot off the presses, Dobbsworld has no inkling into the rash of jaywalking incidents in Bolivia, either. Or counterfeiting rings in Norway. And mountains more useless information that doesn't pertain to any aspect of my day-to-day life.

What a crime - !

This wouldn't happen in America, you could shoot them. According to some.

Of course, you'd probably get shot back, but that irrelevent, apparently.



pre-emptive venom ? Thats like the new style around here.

Exactly, Dobbs is just trying to make himself seem dumb so it looks like he isnt aware of what goes on inside this country. :rolleyes:


NOT WORKING

See my previous post. Get over yourselves.

See my previous post. Get over yourselves.

Oh, I agree with your previous post. You have no idea what goes on here. And I most certainly do know what goes on here. So who is the one full of shit?

And now you've admitted you have no idea what goes on in America...



Thats been obvious for a long,long time. No big admission needed.

Oh, I agree with your previous post. You have no idea what goes on here. And I most certainly do know what goes on here. So who is the one full of shit?

The one who assumes everybody on the planet knows or cares about every single bit of minutiae associated with your culture, near as I make it.

The one who assumes everybody on the planet knows or cares about every single bit of minutiae associated with your culture, near as I make it.

I think it's the one who thinks that he knows everything, until he gets a superwedgie and has to admit he hasn't been out of his parochial environment.

In fact, less well travelled and exposed to the outside world than an American.

so i just got on the bus and four scobes got on as well (scobes are chavs in England, i dunno what they are called in America). so they sat near me and started calling me red head and certain other names. then one of them started kicking my leg and then he wiped some stuff on my leg so i pushed him back with said leg. they didn't like this and squared upto me. now i'm a biggish guy (6ft 4) and i do have an attitude so i stood tall. then one of them punched me. it was hard but not that bad and i have a fairly good pain barrier. but i realised four on one were not odds in my favour so i pushed past and sat at the front.
so as they were getting off, the biggest one passed and just stepped back and cheap shotted me. he was A LOT stronger. my face is now all fucking bruised. seriously, all i was doing was getting the bus home and i get assaulted. what a fucking joke society is

Sorry to hear that-hope your injuries heal without any scars,etc...

I dont know what to tell you- 4 guys looking for trouble against just one guy going about his business sucks. No one else on the bus would stick up for you ? How about the driver? Surely he saw what happened.
You know where they got off. Maybe someday soon, you'll be able to single one out on his own and return the favor.

pre-emptive venom ? Thats like the new style around here.

Well, it seems my 'pre-emptive strike' was just a premonition of what was going to come in this thread.

The one who assumes everybody on the planet knows or cares about every single bit of minutiae associated with your culture, near as I make it.


you're all too often one spouting on and on as if your a learned expert on our way of life. You often seem as if you know everything thats wrong with us ?

It usually does crumble down into bitter name calling, so dont mistake me for someone who is actually concerned.

Sorry to hear that-hope your injuries heal without any scars,etc...

I dont know what to tell you- 4 guys looking for trouble against just one guy going about his business sucks. No one else on the bus would stick up for you ? How about the driver? Surely he saw what happened.
You know where they got off. Maybe someday soon, you'll be able to single one out on his own and return the favor.

very few injuries, just a little bruising and swelling. as i said, it wasn't a beat down. no one on the bus had a chance to really do anything but they didn't look like they would anyway. the busdriver didn't say a thing to me at any point. i know where they got off. but revenge would probably become tit for tat and make me no better than they are

Well, it seems my 'pre-emptive strike' was just a premonition of what was going to come in this thread.


more like none to subtle instigation.

I think it's the one who thinks that he knows everything, until he gets a superwedgie and has to admit he hasn't been out of his parochial environment.
Because I'm not attuned to the current goings-on of postal theft in Kathmandu? Shoelace fraud in Congo? Do tell, what precisely is it, in your estimation, that it is encumbent upon me to know, DK? Should I memorize the phonebook for Spokane? Streetmaps of Little Rock? Maybe I should be innately aware of the history of the pork-belly futures market in Wisconsin? What do you suggest that I might ameliorate my horrible faux pas of not fully understanding the situation facing truant officers in the deep dark jungles of Herndon?
In fact, less well travelled and exposed to the outside world than an American.
Well, less exposed to going into the "outside world" for the express purpose of shooting at people - certainly, DK. Hats off to the perennially well-armed world traveller that you are.

Maybe I should be innately aware of the history of the pork-belly futures market in Wisconsin?

Actually, they're traded on the Chicago Merc in Illinois. :p

very few injuries, just a little bruising and swelling. as i said, it wasn't a beat down. no one on the bus had a chance to really do anything but they didn't look like they would anyway. the busdriver didn't say a thing to me at any point. i know where they got off. but revenge would probably become tit for tat and make me no better than they are

Glad to hear its minor and not a full blown "beat down". I'm sure 4 mean spirited punks-however cowardly- could really kick the shit out of someone once they got each other all brave and hyped up.

keep your eyes open in the future-better to altogether avoid this type of scenario than deal with it when its upon you. I know that isnt practical advice for someone trying to go about his job or school, but I imagine if you ran into this group of douchebags again, anytime soon, they wont make things any easier for you.

Good luck.

Because I'm not attuned to the current goings-on of postal theft in Kathmandu? Shoelace fraud in Congo? Do tell, what precisely is it, in your estimation, that it is encumbent upon me to know, DK? Should I memorize the phonebook for Spokane? Streetmaps of Little Rock? Maybe I should be innately aware of the history of the pork-belly futures market in Wisconsin? What do you suggest that I might ameliorate my horrible faux pas of not fully understanding the situation facing truant officers in the deep dark jungles of Herndon?

Well, less exposed to going into the "outside world" for the express purpose of shooting at people - certainly, DK. Hats off to the perennially well-armed world traveller that you are.

rather than try to memorize all of those details, you could learn to keep your nasty and naive comments to yourself.
Seems a lot simpler.

more like none to subtle instigation.

Well, it was going to happen anyway...

Well, it was going to happen anyway...

C'mon- I've seen you better than that.

Well, less exposed to going into the "outside world" for the express purpose of shooting at people - certainly, DK. Hats off to the perennially well-armed world traveller that you are.
Didn't have a pistol in London, but I found out that one is easily had if you have around 500 pounds.

Didn't have a pistol in London, but I found out that one is easily had if you have around 500 pounds.

Who the hell were you hanging out with? I have friends of friends who are involved with some of the seedier activities in manchester and I've never heard of a firearm going that cheap. In fact it is cheaper to hire someone to do the job for you than buy the gun to do it yourself.

C'mon- I've seen you better than that.

Meh, sometimes you need to make things obvious.

very few injuries, just a little bruising and swelling. as i said, it wasn't a beat down. no one on the bus had a chance to really do anything but they didn't look like they would anyway. the busdriver didn't say a thing to me at any point. i know where they got off. but revenge would probably become tit for tat and make me no better than they are


Yeah, just let it go. But be prepared for future confrontation or avoid it, I guess.

get a team of friends and learn everything you can about each one of them. their names, address, phone numbers, and names of all of their family members.

first you sign all of them up for every charity phone list known to man (including ones in other countries) then you wait a week while they are being driven crazy by all the excess phone calls and mail they will be recieving. then you strike. midnight special ops operation. grab them while they sleep and strip them down to just their underwear (could take compromising photos if you wish) and tie them to street lamps on the complete opposite side of town then where they live.

DK is not just the type to bring a gun to a fistfight, he doesnt feel comfortable unless he has a bazooka in his trunk during a thumb wrestling tournament, just in case.


So? The cost of being overprepared is? However, the cost of being underprepared or not prepared to defend yourself at all is decidedly worse.

This wouldn't happen in America, you could shoot them. According to some.

Of course, you'd probably get shot back, but that irrelevent, apparently.

Having a bad day Nad?

I've admitted to having no interest whatsoever in you country's internal street-crime issues, yes. Are you seeking to discredit me on that basis?


Only because you were a bit of a jerk about the whole name issue in the first place. Instead of asking what it meant like a nonconfrontational person you incorrectly surmised it was military and went off on a rant. Despite the fact that you dislike DK doesnt mean you should jump off a deep end at every word.....Next time you hear a phrase you dont understand try asking," I am unfamiliar with this term could you explain its meaning? Thank you". Try that and maybe we will see less of this penis jousing with DK on every sentence.Its getting tiring and boring.

So? The cost of being overprepared is?

About $3000-$10000 and upwards depending upon the weapon I figure

About $3000-$10000 and upwards depending upon the weapon I figure
Sounds like a bargain to me.

Only because you were a bit of a jerk about the whole name issue in the first place. Instead of asking what it meant like a nonconfrontational person you incorrectly surmised it was military and went off on a rant. Despite the fact that you dislike DK doesnt mean you should jump off a deep end at every word.....Next time you hear a phrase you dont understand try asking," I am unfamiliar with this term could you explain its meaning? Thank you". Try that and maybe we will see less of this penis jousing with DK on every sentence.Its getting tiring and boring.

DK has an unhealthy tendency toward militarizing the language.

DK has an unhealthy tendency toward militarizing the language.

Instead of simply admitting you were improperly harsh and a question of clarification would have been far more appropriate, you want to continue to defend this path of behavior?

Having a bad day Nad?

Not particularly, I think I just felt particularly bitchy...

Thanks for the concern though :)

Instead of simply admitting you were improperly harsh you want to continue to defend this path of behavior?

I'm not about to retract anything, no. I'll agree to discontinue chatting about it with you if you agree to discontinue adressing it, however.

I'm not about to retract anything, no. I'll agree to discontinue chatting about it with you if you agree to discontinue adressing it, however.

Ahh facinating..its the you caught me in a hole so ill slink away quietly if you let me answer. Fair enough.

Ahh facinating..its the you caught me in a hole so ill slink away quietly if you let me answer. Fair enough.

Pathetic, huh?
Then again, that is some-what of a norm for him now-a-days.:rolleyes:

I've admitted to having no interest whatsoever in you country's internal street-crime issues, yes. Are you seeking to discredit me on that basis?

Hot off the presses, Dobbsworld has no inkling into the rash of jaywalking incidents in Bolivia, either. Or counterfeiting rings in Norway. And mountains more useless information that doesn't pertain to any aspect of my day-to-day life.

What a crime - !
Obviously you shouldn't be assumed to know about things that happen in the US, but bragging about your ignorance of them isn't very impressive.

Obviously you shouldn't be assumed to know about things that happen in the US, but bragging about your ignorance of them isn't very impressive.

Its his ploy to try to distance himself from our country.:p :rolleyes:

MS-13 isn't military banter, it's the name of a supremely violent band of thug-holes from Central America who've made significant strides into Gangland, USA. I don't normally shout about the 2nd Amendment or capital punishment, but in the case of these sub-humans, I make an exception.

Subhumans? Have you ever even met a member? The soldiers are, for the most part, good people, you just don't want to be around them when they're in packs.

And you don't need to cry about the 2nd Amendment or capital punishment. They just need to be deported, and the Salvadoran government will take care of them at the airport.

While Karla brought another chair out of the restaurant, put it next to mine, sat down, and fussed over me, Wyatt used the police-band radio to order and ambulance.
When he returned, I said, "Sir, you know what's wrong with humanity?"
"Plenty," he said.
"The greatest gift we were given is our free will, and we keep misusing it."
"Don't worry yourself about that now," Karla advised me.
"You know what's wrong with nature," I asked her, "with all its poison plants, predatory animals, earthquakes, and floods?"
"You're upsetting yourself, sweetie."
"When we envied, when we killed for what we envied, we fell. And when we fell, we broke the whole shebang, nature, too."
A kitchen worker whom I knew, who had worked part time at the Grille, Manuel Nunez, arrived with a fresh beer.
"I don't think he should have that," Karla worried.
Taking the beer from him, I said, "Manuel, how're you doing?"
"Looks like better than you."
"I was just dead for a while, that's all. Manuel, do you know what's wrong with cosmic time, as we know it, which steals everything from us?"
"Isn't it 'spring forward, fall back'?" Manuel asked, thinking that we were talking about Daylight Savings Time.
"When we fell and broke," I said, "we broke nature, too, and when we broke nature, we broke time."
"Is that from Star Trek?" Manuel asked.
"Probably. But it's true."
"I liked that show. It helped me learn English."
"You speak it well," I told him.
"I had a brogue for a while because I got so into Scotty's character," Manuel said.
"Once, there were no predators, no prey. Only harmony. There were no quakes, no storms, everything in balance. In the beginning, time was all at once and forever - no past, present, and future, no death. We broke it all."
Chief Porter tried to take the fresh Heineken from me.
I held on to it. "Sir, do you know what sucks the worst about the human condition?"
Bill Burton said, "Taxes."
"It's even worse than that," I told him.
Manuel said, "Gasoline costs too much, and low mortgage rates are gone."
"What sucks the worst is... this world was a gift to us, and we broke it, and part of the deal is that if we want things right, we have to fix it ourselves. But we can't. We try, but we can't."
I started to cry. The tears surprised me. I thought I was done with tears for the duration.
Manuel put a hand on my shoulder and said, "Maybe we can fix it, Odd. You know? Maybe."
I shook my head. "No. We're broken. A broken thing can't fix itself."
"Maybe it can," Karla said, putting a hand on my other shoulder.
I sat there, just a faucet. All snot and tears. Embarrassed but not enough to get my act together.
"Son," said Chief Porter, "it's not your job alone, you know."
"I know."
"So the broken world's not all on your shoulders."
"Lucky for the world."
The chief crouched beside me. "I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that at all."
"Or me," Karla agreed.
"I'm a mess," I apologized.
Karla said, "Me too."
"I could use a beer," Manuel said.
"You're working," Bill Burton reminded him. Then he said, "Get me one, too."
To the chief, I said, "There's two dead at the Panamint and two more in the flood-control tunnel."
"You just tell me what," he said, "and we'll handle it."
"What had to be done... it was so bad. Real bad. But the hard thing is..."
Karla gave me a wad of tissues.
The chief said, "What's the hard thing, son?"
"The hard th ing is, I was dead, too, but somebody didn't want me to be, so I'm back."
"Yes. You said before."
My chest swelled. My throat thickened. I could hardly breathe. "Chief, I was this close to Stormy, this close to service."
He cupped my wet face in his hands and made me look at him. "Nothing before its time, son. Everything in its own time, to its own schedule."
"I guess so."
"You know that's true."
"This was a very hard day, sir. I had to do... terrible things. Things no one should have to live with."
Karla whispered, "Oh, God, Oddie. Oh, sweetie, don't." To her husband, she said plaintively, "Wyatt?"
"Son, you can't fix a broken thing by breaking another part of it. You understand me?"
I nodded. I did understand. But understanding doesn't always help.
"Giving up - that would be breaking another part of yourself."
"Perseverance," I said.
"That's right."
At the end of the block, with flashing emergency beacons but without a siren, the ambulance turned into the alley.
"I think Danny had some broken bones but was trying not to let me know," I told the chief.
"We'll get him. We'll handle him like glass, son."
"He doesn't know about his dad."
"All right."
"That's going to be so hard, sir. Telling him. Very hard."
"I'll tell him, son. Leave that to me."
"No, sir. I'd be grateful if you're there with me, but I have to tell him. He's going to think it's all his fault. He's going to be devastated. He's going to need to lean, sir."
"He can lean on you."
"I hope so, sir."
"He can lean hard on you, son. Who could he lean on any harder?"
And so we went to the Panamint, where Death had gone to gamble and had, as always, won.




- Forever Odd.

Before i poke pencils in my eyes trying to find a point...is there one?

Before i poke pencils in my eyes trying to find a point...is there one?

I thought the quote was somewhat relevant.