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So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

Christ has already come. The only time he'll come again is when he comes, in the bible term "To take his bride away". He'll come like a "Theif in the night" to take us away from here before TSHTF for the rest of earth. He won't come healing, turning water and stuff (BTDT), he's coming to pick us up in God's pickup truck for a ride back to heaven.

Christ has already come. The only time he'll come again is when he comes, in the bible term "To take his bride away". He'll come like a "Theif in the night" to take us away from here before TSHTF for the rest of earth. He won't come healing, turning water and stuff (BTDT), he's coming to pick us up in God's pickup truck for a ride back to heaven.

So he's going to be fatally stabbed by some kid with a hunting knife?

I just kind of figured he'd been hogging down on oysters and vitamin E.

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

I am Christian and no I wouldn't "believe him" based on the senario you just laid out.

Didn't someone else make this thread a few days ago?

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

There already was a second coming....dont you remember da jesus?

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Didn't someone else make this thread a few days ago?

That's a pretty fair assumption for any given topic on NS General.

Didn't someone else make this thread a few days ago?

I didn't see it...

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

Watching god screw a virgin would probably do it for me.

well, there was once a guy in cardiff city centre who,everytime a person passed, would tell them he was the son of god.Once at about 2 am some people had fallen asleep on a bench, he clapped his hands,they woke up, and he said'look I have raised them from the dead'it was odd.he may have been teh second coming of christ, but most thought he wasd a loon.so,in respionce to your question, I would think they were crazy and ignore them.

So he's going to be fatally stabbed by some kid with a hunting knife?
Haha, great response.

There already was a second coming....dont you remember da jesus?

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you got it man. no body f**ks with da jesus...

I would track him down, debate, then make my judgement. Seems like the reasonable thing to do.

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

Before I follow him, I would need a question answered. This is a question that has weighed heavily on my soul for a very long time and it is apparently a question that only Jesus himself can answer;

WHat does the "H." stand for? :confused:

I'd want three letters of reference, a credit check and a clean criminal record, for starters.

I'd want three letters of reference, a credit check and a clean criminal record, for starters.

are you kidding NOBODY has that, not even God himself.

WHat does the "H." stand for? :confused:

Holy?

I'd follow him so long as he gets a haircut and stops being such a hippie

Miracles have at various times occurred for practioners of every religion. The fact that some dude seems to be capable of extraordinary feats means very little to me.

Jesus said that when He would be coming back it would be the end. And I don't think there would be any doubt. Armies of angels, trumpets sounding - I not just a man claiming - Jesus will be announcing! So no, I would not believe him. In fact, I would probably be actively trying to convince people he is not Jesus.

I don't think I'll witness Jesus' 2nd coming - at least I hope not, for it would mean the end of all and everything. I ain't ready for that quite yet.
The only other 2nd coming I can think of is this one:

"Listen but closely brothers, for my life's breath is almost spent. There shall come
a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am
now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then, my
children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm
death holds me, and come I shall, no matter
the laws of life and death forbid.
At the end I will be there.
For the final battle.
For the Wolftime."
Leman Russ
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are you kidding NOBODY has that, not even God himself.
'course not. If God owns all property and money, how can he possibly have a positive credit rating?

In fact, the whole idea of a credit rating sucks. Let's drop that.

I don't think I'll witness Jesus' 2nd coming - at least I hope not, for it would mean the end of all and everything. I ain't ready for that quite yet.
The only other 2nd coming I can think of is this one:

"Listen but closely brothers, for my life's breath is almost spent. There shall come
a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am
now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then, my
children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm
death holds me, and come I shall, no matter
the laws of life and death forbid.
At the end I will be there.
For the final battle.
For the Wolftime."
Leman Russ
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/ImperialEagleRotating.gif
I trample your puny Imperial Guard beneath my feet.

No, seriously. I've got a mini bayonet stuck in my heel now.

Before I follow him, I would need a question answered. This is a question that has weighed heavily on my soul for a very long time and it is apparently a question that only Jesus himself can answer;

WHat does the "H." stand for? :confused:

What H ? In IHS ?
IHS means Iesus Hominum Salvator. Which, by the way, he is not.

I don't think Jesus will be coming back to do magic tricks for us, if he even is real and if he ever would come back. If Jesus came back and said and did things that made sense to me, I'd support him. It would take more than that for me to believe that he is the Jesus who came back from the dead after two millenia, though.

Those who say they know when the world will end don't, and those who know don't say.

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

If some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican's water supply into wine, I wouldn't believe him no matter what. If, however, he claimed to be Jesus, turned the Vatican's water supply into beer, got everyone in the Vatican drunk, became Pope, and condemned every Christian nutjob to Hell, I would look further into it.

by jesus you mean FSM, Right?

by jesus you mean FSM, Right?

No. No I don't.

What H ? In IHS ?
IHS means Iesus Hominum Salvator. Which, by the way, he is not.

LOL. No. the H in 'Jesus H. Christ' of course. :p

firstly,

the 'h' stands for harold.

secondly,

anyone who turns water into booze is my god.

thirdly,

the second coming came and died of canser as a result of a stabbing when someone broke into his house a few years ago. gh.

fourthly,

anyone who still collects warhammer must still be a virgin.

No. No I don't.

why? the FSM is the one true god.

I trample your puny Imperial Guard beneath my feet.

No, seriously. I've got a mini bayonet stuck in my heel now.
:p No IG here - Space Marines, man, Space Wolves to be precise...

fourthly,

anyone who still collects warhammer must still be a virgin.
:rolleyes: And... you're wrong!

fourthly,

anyone who still collects warhammer must still be a virgin.Now I don't collect Warhammer, but the people I know that do aren't virgins.

LOL. No. the H in 'Jesus H. Christ' of course. :p
Hashimoto, as Jesus actually died in Japan at age 106 after marring a Japanese woman and have 4 kids and is burried next to his brother there (This is a real Japanese legend in Shingo Village, Aomori Prefecture).

Whats white and rains from the sky?

the coming of the lord

If he's only giving away the free booze in The Vatican, then I wouldn't be too interested. However, if he's prepared to come to Melbourne & spread the love, then I'm all ears.

Before I follow him, I would need a question answered. This is a question that has weighed heavily on my soul for a very long time and it is apparently a question that only Jesus himself can answer;

WHat does the "H." stand for? :confused:


I already asked him that.

"Hopping".

Lets assume the Jeebs came back, did all those things, and I was absolutely convinced he was who he says he was.

Wouldnt matter.

I would like to talk to him, but Im afraid I cant be converted.
I dissaprove of Christianity too much to ever be (re-) converted.
I most especially dissaprove of the state his church is in, and the corruption, and its followers that are far too easily swayed into fanatical hatred.

I would speak to him as a man, not a deity.

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.


Answer one: No for the Lord Savior has already came and he died on the Cross for our sins so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

Answer two: No for the same reasons as above

Answer three: The events in revelations taking place would be a good start for it describes how Jesus is coming back.

Answer one: No for the Lord Savior has already came and he died on the Cross for our sins so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.


Would Polly like a cracker?

Jesus said that when He would be coming back it would be the end. And I don't think there would be any doubt. Armies of angels, trumpets sounding - I not just a man claiming - Jesus will be announcing! So no, I would not believe him. In fact, I would probably be actively trying to convince people he is not Jesus.


Me too for if someone was doing that, odds are, he would be the Anti-Christ and he is not to be followed unless you want eternity in Hell.

Would Polly like a cracker?

Are you mocking me?

Are you mocking me?

Yes.

Apologies.

Mea culpa, mea maxim culpa.

Me too for if someone was doing that, odds are, he would be the Anti-Christ and he is not to be followed unless you want eternity in Hell.

I dunno, Hell sounds kinda cushty. Rapin', pillagin', blood running down the walls, people dying...

A man could get used t'that sorta thing really. Eternal salvation is nice an' all, but Heaven sounda a mite boring compared to Hell.

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

That wouldn't convince me. It'ld be probably David Copperfield in disguise...

Answer one: No for the Lord Savior has already came and he died on the Cross for our sins so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

Answer two: No for the same reasons as above

Answer three: The events in revelations taking place would be a good start for it describes how Jesus is coming back.

Yes, and it was written by someone after Jesus's death who was under a great deal of stress at the time, and seemed to be directed at the Roman Empire.

Yes, and it was written by someone after Jesus's death who was under a great deal of stress at the time, and seemed to be directed at the Roman Empire.


That is one way of looking at it but not what I believe.

Revelation says that somebody called 'The Lawless Man' will claim to be Jesus and a bunch of people will believe him before the actual 'end of the world' comes. So if indeed some guy claims to be Jesus and the world still exists, then no I wouldn't believe them.

That is one way of looking at it but not what I believe.

Which part, the Roman Empire bit, the after death bit or the stress bit?

Revelation says that somebody called 'The Lawless Man' will claim to be Jesus and a bunch of people will believe him before the actual 'end of the world' comes. So if indeed some guy claims to be Jesus and the world still exists, then no I wouldn't believe them.

So you're putting your knowledge above that of Jesus?

Alleghany county put it well in saying that if you look in Revelations you'll have a fair idea when Jesus has returned... So seeing as the Bible is the Word of God, and Jesus=God, then I'm not putting my own knowledge above that of Jesus.

But, yeah don't take my word for it. I'm not even sure that I'm right in saying it was Revelation. Yeah, correction, it's 2 Thessalonians 2.

Alleghany county put it well in saying that if you look in Revelations you'll have a fair idea when Jesus has returned... So seeing as the Bible is the Word of God, and Jesus=God, then I'm not putting my own knowledge above that of Jesus.

But, yeah don't take my word for it. I'm not even sure that I'm right in saying it was Revelation. Yeah, correction, it's 2 Thessalonians 2.

Okay, first off, at least a fair sized chunk of the New Testament doesn't even claim to be the word of God. Second, after all the translations and such, well, you get the idea. So you're putting your understanding of the bible above Jesus.

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

Or are you just not Christian?

Poll coming soon.

No I would suggest that we crucify him again and see if his body ascends on the third day. Then if it does I would ask him to come back:)

So, if some dude claimed to be Jesus, healed some sick folk, and turned the Vatican Cities water supply into wine, would you believe him? Follow him?

Would I "believe" him? If a human being was empirically shown to have the ability to magically convert water into wine, I'd believe that's pretty bizarre and worthy of study. Would I believe this indicates that the human in question is an Earthly incarnation of the Christian God? Of course not. No more than I would believe it indicates that he is a leprechaun.

Would I "follow" him? I'd be interested in studying him or looking at the data from those who studied him, but I don't consider wine-making to be an indication of somebody's worthiness to lead.


What, if anything, would it take for you to accept that it was Jesus?

If you mean, "What would it take for you to believe that the person in question was the re-born form of the individual the Christians refer to as their messiah?" then I'd have to say...nothing. Nothing would convince me. The Christian character of Jesus is a recycled form of the Horus myth, which is in turn a composite that grew from many ancient faiths. No matter what magical powers somebody appeared to have, I would have no more reason to assume that person was the Christian Jesus than I would have to assume it was Horus reborn.

However, if you meant "What would it take for you to accept that the person in question was a guy named Jesus?" then all it would take would be him introducing himself as a guy named Jesus.


Or are you just not Christian?
;)

Okay, first off, at least a fair sized chunk of the New Testament doesn't even claim to be the word of God. Second, after all the translations and such, well, you get the idea. So you're putting your understanding of the bible above Jesus.

This is generally what Christians believe. I believe that it's God's Word. Maybe he didn't actually put pen to paper but predestination etc. means that he 'encouraged' the gospels to be written. You may think I'm a crazy, gullible idiot to believe it, I'm not holding that against anyone.

As for translations. I'm absolutely sick and tired of people using that as an argument for believeing that Bible is a load of rubbish. There were different languages in Jesus' time just like there are many languages now. In transating something it can be tough to get an exact cultural meaning. But so what? If you want to read everything in the language it was originally written in, then be my guest and learn a new language for every piece of foreign literature. If you don't think that way then why is it that you always slate the Bible for being translated. By that logic every single piece of old literature is very 'wrong'. Are you going to slate the Qur'an for being translated too?

This is generally what Christians believe. I believe that it's God's Word. Maybe he didn't actually put pen to paper but predestination etc. means that he 'encouraged' the gospels to be written.

Predestination? Whoah. What about free will?

You may think I'm a crazy, gullible idiot to believe it, I'm not holding that against anyone.

Nah, mostly I just like arguing.

As for translations. I'm absolutely sick and tired of people using that as an argument for believeing that Bible is a load of rubbish. There were different languages in Jesus' time just like there are many languages now. In transating something it can be tough to get an exact cultural meaning. But so what? If you want to read everything in the language it was originally written in, then be my guest and learn a new language for every piece of foreign literature. If you don't think that way then why is it that you always slate the Bible for being translated.

Because most of those books aren't trying to tell me how to live my life, and what to do to avoid eternal damnation? And I'm not saying it's a load of rubbish, I'm just saying that it's probably less reliable than the direct word of Jesus.

By that logic every single piece of old literature is very 'wrong'. Are you going to slate the Qur'an for being translated too?

Sure. Greek myths, too, if you want.

Hashimoto, as Jesus actually died in Japan at age 106 after marring a Japanese woman and have 4 kids and is burried next to his brother there (This is a real Japanese legend in Shingo Village, Aomori Prefecture).

as good a story as any i guess but what to they do with the whole crucifixtion thing? how did he get to japan? did he study zen and become a master?

Predestination? Whoah. What about free will?

There are denominations out there that believe in predestination.