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Navy's last gun cruiser goes to scrapyard

Captain pooby
28-08-2006, 19:18
COMMENTARY:Wish we could get some more use out of these boats, but the retro cost would be about the same for a battleship. A million dollars to scrap? Just dock it in New Orleans overnight and you'll find it up on blocks in the morning.

Interesting fact-the Des Moines can fire 90 295 lbs shells........IN 60 seconds!


Navy’s last gun cruiser goes to scrapyard

By Christopher P. Cavas
Staff report


The last all-gun cruiser in the Navy’s inventory is finally headed for the scrapyard.

The cruiser Des Moines began the long tow to Texas on Aug. 21 from a storage facility in Philadelphia, where it had been kept for 45 years. Although the Navy planned to get rid of the ship more than a decade ago, disposal of the cruiser was put off while several preservation groups attempted to put together a viable plan to preserve the Des Moines as a museum ship. None of those efforts came to fruition, and the Navy decided in May to scrap the ship.


On Aug. 21 — the same day the ship left Philadelphia — a $924,000 contract to dismantle the Des Moines was awarded to ESCO Marine Inc. of Brownsville, Texas. Under tow by the Navy salvage ship Grasp, the Des Moines is expected to arrive in Brownsville around Sept. 6, according to the Naval Sea Systems Command.

The Des Moines, commissioned in 1948, was one of three heavy cruisers designed during World War II and completed in the years afterward. The Des Moines, Salem and Newport News were the largest heavy cruisers ever built and were longer than some contemporary battleships. Measuring 717 feet in length and displacing over more than 18,000 tons, they were the only cruisers to mount rapid-fire, automatic 8eight-inch guns — the feature which caused the Navy to retain the ships far longer than earlier cruisers.

The service considered recommissioning the ships in the early 1980s during the Reagan-era arms buildup, but decided against it as the costs were similar to those needed to return Iowa-class battleships with sixteen16-inch guns to service. All four battleships were recommissioned in the 1980s but returned to mothballs with the end of the Cold War.



The Des Moines — nicknamed “Daisy Mae” — had a service life of barely over more than a dozen years, and spent much of its time in the 1950s sharing Sixth Fleet flagship duty in the Mediterranean with its sister ship, the Salem. The cruiser was decommissioned in 1961 and put into preservation at Philadelphia.

The Salem, decommissioned in 1959, now is a museum ship in Quincy, Mass.

The Newport News was the last all-gun cruiser in service when it was decommissioned in 1975 after serving as a flagship and on the gun line off Vietnam. The ship was scrapped in 1994 at New Orleans.

Of the four Iowa-class battleships, the New Jersey and Missouri are preserved as museum ships. The Navy still owns the Wisconsin and Iowa, which are both awaiting congressional approval for transfer as museum ships.
Barbaric Tribes
28-08-2006, 20:11
So when all this uber-awesome technology fails us, or when some new form of technology is able to counter the uber-awesome rockets, the US navy will be left defensless.:headbang:
Philosopy
28-08-2006, 22:39
So when all this uber-awesome technology fails us, or when some new form of technology is able to counter the uber-awesome rockets, the US navy will be left defensless.:headbang:
What a strange thing to say. We should stock outdated and useless weaponry at huge cost to taxpayers on the off chance that one day modern technology just stops working?

In this case, we ought to assign all sailors with peashooters as well. You never know when they might need them.
Tactical Grace
28-08-2006, 22:41
In this case, we ought to assign all sailors with peashooters as well. You never know when they might need them.

Please, cutlasses! Good old-fashioned cold steel never let a man down. :mad:
Philosopy
28-08-2006, 22:43
Please, cutlasses! Good old-fashioned cold steel never let a man down. :mad:
They don't like it up 'em, Captain.
Call to power
28-08-2006, 22:43
imagine if pirates get hold of this!

Can’t it just be given to some country that wants it?
Tactical Grace
28-08-2006, 22:44
Can’t it just be given to some country that wants it?

No-one wants 18,000 tonnes of floating rusting metal.
Trotskylvania
28-08-2006, 22:45
Yay, lets scrap the old ones that we know work, so that we can spend billions of dollars to keep a bloated defense establishment on post-Cold War life support developing newer and deadlier ways to blow things up, only to repeat the process in twenty five years.
WDGann
28-08-2006, 22:47
gun support is not what it used to be. something about over the horizon littoral warfare i guess.

mind you, these are the same fucking geniuses that periodically say that there will be no need for infantry in the future.
Philosopy
28-08-2006, 22:47
Yay, lets scrap the old ones that we know work, so that we can spend billions of dollars to keep a bloated defense establishment on post-Cold War life support developing newer and deadlier ways to blow things up, only to repeat the process in twenty five years.
I know that punching Bin Laden would 'work' at hurting him. It doesn't make it an effective way of doing the job, though.
WDGann
28-08-2006, 22:49
No-one wants 18,000 tonnes of floating rusting metal.

do they still have those ads on teh tube about being in range of HMS whatevers? guns?
Andaluciae
28-08-2006, 22:52
Take note, this is the last all-gun cruiser. There are plenty of cruisers bearing rapid fire five inch guns still afloat, and they pack far more punch than this baby battleship.
Philosopy
28-08-2006, 22:52
do they still have those ads on teh tube about being in range of HMS whatevers? guns?
HMS Belfast. I believe the factoid is that it can hit Clacket Lane Service Station on the M25, should it choose to.

I say it should choose to.
Captain pooby
29-08-2006, 06:50
So when all this uber-awesome technology fails us, or when some new form of technology is able to counter the uber-awesome rockets, the US navy will be left defensless.:headbang:


This is irrelevant, but the uss Coral Sea was able to take several Harpoon hits and many cruiser 5" gun hits and still remain afloat. This was done because a certain ME nation has stocked up on ASMs in hope of sinking the satanic fleet...

ANd the navy wanted to test out how easy it would be to make a carrier sink. It isn't easy, they had to come back later and finish it off with C4.
Captain pooby
29-08-2006, 06:51
No-one wants 18,000 tonnes of floating rusting metal.


I would. Forget Property tax, I'll park 13 miles offshore. Go ahead, send a police car or boat out to get me.

There are easier and cheaper ways to retrofit a cruiser.
The Lone Alliance
29-08-2006, 07:47
Give it to one of our "Allies" like lets say... The Iraqi Navy *Snicker*.

Take note, this is the last all-gun cruiser. There are plenty of cruisers bearing rapid fire five inch guns still afloat, and they pack far more punch than this baby battleship.

5 inch... Whoop dee freaking Doo.

Shells can't get ECMed or intercepted by Anti-missiles, it doesn't need it's own computer and you don't need billions of dollars of equipment to fire a big gun, unlike a ton of missiles that you have to use a supercomputer just to make them shoot.
Good Lifes
30-08-2006, 03:48
Oh for the times when Reagan had a 100 ship navy----not that the navy wanted 100 ships, they didn't---but what a wonderful number. So we pulled the battleships and every other ship we could find out of scrap and totally refitted them. One more battle and they were scrapped or put in on display.-----And all it cost was money----Wasn't it great to have a true "conservative" in charge?
Philosopy
30-08-2006, 08:13
Oh for the times when Reagan had a 100 ship navy----not that the navy wanted 100 ships, they didn't---but what a wonderful number. So we pulled the battleships and every other ship we could find out of scrap and totally refitted them. One more battle and they were scrapped or put in on display.-----And all it cost was money----Wasn't it great to have a true "conservative" in charge?
That's surely not as big as the US Navy is? The Royal Navy has nearly 100 ships; I realise that the US ships are much bigger, but I still would have expected them to have a lot more.
Anglachel and Anguirel
30-08-2006, 08:18
COMMENTARY:Wish we could get some more use out of these boats, but the retro cost would be about the same for a battleship. A million dollars to scrap? Just dock it in New Orleans overnight and you'll find it up on blocks in the morning.
Or you could dock it somewhere near Iraq. Remember what happened to that British base? It was torn down to the ground by looters within hours. Bricks and all. Imagine what they'd do if they thought there was ammo to be had!
The Lone Alliance
30-08-2006, 09:35
That's surely not as big as the US Navy is? The Royal Navy has nearly 100 ships; I realise that the US ships are much bigger, but I still would have expected them to have a lot more.
Wasn't the royal navy basicly given the NATO ordered job of stoping Soviet subs or have they diversified since the 80s?
GreaterPacificNations
30-08-2006, 10:31
Why don't they just keep a set of collapsable masts and sails on every ship. Just in case.
Sel Appa
30-08-2006, 11:08
I don't see why they can't make it a museum.
Kyronea
30-08-2006, 11:23
No-one wants 18,000 tonnes of floating rusting metal.

I'd take it. Think of the stories I could tell with that thing parked in my front yard.
Harlesburg
30-08-2006, 12:39
They don't like it up 'em, Captain.
lol, Ah Jones.:D
Scarlet States
30-08-2006, 12:47
It's a real pity efforts to retain it as a museum fell through.
Good Lifes
30-08-2006, 15:00
That's surely not as big as the US Navy is? The Royal Navy has nearly 100 ships; I realise that the US ships are much bigger, but I still would have expected them to have a lot more.

I guess I shouldn't totally trust memory. Wiki says there are 268. So maybe it was 300 Reagan wanted or 100 major ships. The number 100 still sticks in my mind. I know shortly after he left and during the Clinton admin. they took lots of the big ships out of service.
Ultraextreme Sanity
30-08-2006, 15:02
So when all this uber-awesome technology fails us, or when some new form of technology is able to counter the uber-awesome rockets, the US navy will be left defensless.:headbang:



One ship ?:rolleyes:

that hasnt been around for what 40 years ???


Your joking right ??


BTW it was a THOUSAND ship Navy .
Drunk commies deleted
30-08-2006, 15:14
Why don't they sell it? I'm sure some rich bastard would buy it. If I had money I'd love to convert it into a huge yacht.
Deep Kimchi
30-08-2006, 15:19
Why don't they sell it? I'm sure some rich bastard would buy it. If I had money I'd love to convert it into a huge yacht.

Old ships like that take a lot of crew to run and maintain. And they eat fuel.

Argentina bought a ship like that a while back, and named it the General Belgrano.

It was very expensive to maintain, and required a crew of over 1000 to operate.

And considering all that, it was essentially a target, and was used as a target by the British Navy.