NationStates Jolt Archive

You know, stop asking kids if they did their homework assignments, let the kids emit constant streams of profanity with no reaction.

Sounds like advice to stop teaching - I mean, if you're sitting in class, never doing your work because the teacher isn't going to make you turn it in, and you're spending your day refining your use of profanity, what is the teacher being paid for?

http://www.vvdailypress.com/2006/115669067893658.html

Culberson, director of youth services for the San Bernardino City Unified School District, said at a back-to-school inservice meeting that students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school and consequently, some teachers have unrealistic expectations of their students.

According to Culberson, many teenagers come to school with baggage from problems at home or other areas of their lives. Culberson described these students, who are prone to disruptive behavior, as “kids in chaos.”

The district superintendent, Julian Weaver, said Culberson’s message does not represent a change in district disciplinary policy, but Victor Valley has many students from chaotic backgrounds such as Culberson described, and teachers need to learn to interpret their students’ body language. When a student is visibly agitated, the teacher might not want to push any buttons by asking if he or she brought in homework that day.

*Goes to class and becomes visably agitated for the rest of the year*

All I can say is :rolleyes:

This reminds me of a movement at my old elementary school, where this group is trying to institute gender-segregated classes with different rules and structures.

In the girl's classes, not much would be changed...girls would still be expected to do homework, sit quietly through lessons, and participate in cooperative group activities. There would be an emphasis on communication and team-work.

However, boys would be given extra recess (because boys need to run around more?), would do in-class drills but little to no homework (because boys can't handle working out of class?), and would not be expected to work together in groups (because boys can't function in teams?). Boys would not be expected to sit quietly in lessons, because supposedly boys are too rowdy and can't be expected to behave themselves.

Basically, it sounds to me like a lot of people are looking for excuses for their own bad parenting. They rear disrespectful boys who won't behave themselves, so they immediately try to claim that it's not their fault because boys are just wired that way. They don't like that their precious little children are being diciplined for bad behavior, because that means they might have to take responsibility for fucking up as parents.

It's funny that they put so much effort into trying to make the world accomodate their little monsters. If they put that energy into actually parenting their kids, they could just solve the problem entirely.

I still like my solution better: Duct Tape. :)

I still like my solution better: Duct Tape. :)

A Taser would be good.

Zap the first kid who gets out of line, immediately reload, and ask, "does anyone else want to ride the lightning today?"

This reminds me of a movement at my old elementary school, where this group is trying to institute gender-segregated classes with different rules and structures.

In the girl's classes, not much would be changed...girls would still be expected to do homework, sit quietly through lessons, and participate in cooperative group activities. There would be an emphasis on communication and team-work.

However, boys would be given extra recess (because boys need to run around more?), would do in-class drills but little to no homework (because boys can't handle working out of class?), and would not be expected to work together in groups (because boys can't function in teams?). Boys would not be expected to sit quietly in lessons, because supposedly boys are too rowdy and can't be expected to behave themselves.

Basically, it sounds to me like a lot of people are looking for excuses for their own bad parenting. They rear disrespectful boys who won't behave themselves, so they immediately try to claim that it's not their fault because boys are just wired that way. They don't like that their precious little children are being diciplined for bad behavior, because that means they might have to take responsibility for fucking up as parents.

It's funny that they put so much effort into trying to make the world accomodate their little monsters. If they put that energy into actually parenting their kids, they could just solve the problem entirely.

I remember that, I wanted to be in the class where we could get up every 30 minutes and run around, but alas I was a girl, so running wasn't required :(

Some people may LIKE that taser... then where would you be?

My teachers are pretty cool anyway except for my English teacher. Just try and be angry with her. You won't survive..

A Taser would be good.

Zap the first kid who gets out of line, immediately reload, and ask, "does anyone else want to ride the lightning today?"

"Look at him twitch!"

:D

Some people may LIKE that taser... then where would you be?

Stun guns, maybe. But tasers? Nobody likes those. :p

Students deserve to have something expected from them. Anything less would be disrespectfull, because it would imply there's no hope for them. That is not to say you should expect more of them then they can do though; although it may be more than the student believes (s)he can do.

Students deserve to have something expected from them. Anything less would be disrespectfull, because it would imply there's no hope for them. That is not to say you should expect more of them then they can do though; although it may be more than the student believes (s)he can do.

"Who is the teacher to judge her students?" :p

What do you define as profane? Y'know, I despise people who object to swearing. What makes "shit" any wose than "poo"? Considering that the etymological roots of "shit" is the Old Norse word "skīta" (meaning "split/divide"), the ONLY reason it's considered a swear word is because, well, it's considered a swear word. Circular reasoning, no?

Profanity is a ridiculous linguistic construct. Words should not be restricted, even in school children.

What do you define as profane? Y'know, I despise people who object to swearing. What makes "shit" any wose than "poo"? Considering that the etymological roots of "shit" is the Old Norse word "skīta" (meaning "split/divide"), the ONLY reason it's considered a swear word is because, well, it's considered a swear word. Circular reasoning, no?

Profanity is a ridiculous linguistic construct. Words should not be restricted, even in school children.

Agreed it is the attitudes sometimes used behind those words that should be caught and molded into something more productive to them. People can make anything an insult ...

What do you define as profane? Y'know, I despise people who object to swearing. What makes "shit" any wose than "poo"? Considering that the etymological roots of "shit" is the Old Norse word "skīta" (meaning "split/divide"), the ONLY reason it's considered a swear word is because, well, it's considered a swear word. Circular reasoning, no?

Profanity is a ridiculous linguistic construct. Words should not be restricted, even in school children.

You have to admit that the f-meter idea the speaker posited is ridiculous.

If anyone was speaking to me, and used the f-word over 100 times, I would begin to wonder if they were mentally retarded.

What do you define as profane? Y'know, I despise people who object to swearing. What makes "shit" any wose than "poo"? Considering that the etymological roots of "shit" is the Old Norse word "skīta" (meaning "split/divide"), the ONLY reason it's considered a swear word is because, well, it's considered a swear word. Circular reasoning, no?

Profanity is a ridiculous linguistic construct. Words should not be restricted, even in school children.

there aren't a lot of words that I have a problem with, I refrain from saying some of them certain places out of respect for others who do have a problem, but there is a difference to me between a kid that drops his pencil and says "shit" and a kid who is screaming out above my lecture "shitpissfuckcuntcocksuckermotherfucker" because that would annoy me and take away from my class time......

there aren't a lot of words that I have a problem with, I refrain from saying some of them certain places out of respect for others who do have a problem, but there is a difference to me between a kid that drops his pencil and says "shit" and a kid who is screaming out above my lecture "shitpissfuckcuntcocksuckermotherfucker" because that would annoy me and take away from my class time......

Hence the taser. :)

What do you define as profane? Y'know, I despise people who object to swearing. What makes "shit" any wose than "poo"? Considering that the etymological roots of "shit" is the Old Norse word "skīta" (meaning "split/divide"), the ONLY reason it's considered a swear word is because, well, it's considered a swear word. Circular reasoning, no?

Profanity is a ridiculous linguistic construct. Words should not be restricted, even in school children.
For me, it's about respect. I don't think I should be legally forbidden to say "Fuck," but I also think it is disrespectful for me to use that word in certain situations. I think it is helpful to teach young people that there are situations where swearing is disrespectful and rude, no matter how arbitrary our classifications of swear words may be.

Very young kids aren't going to be able to grasp the concept of "It's okay to swear sometimes, but not other times." It's easier to teach them, "No swearing" until they're old enough to understand the importance of context.

Of course, when I was growing up my parents taught me that cursing was fine inside our home. I wasn't to curse out in public, because that would be rude, but I was allowed to curse in the house.

For me, it's about respect. I don't think I should be legally forbidden to say "Fuck," but I also think it is disrespectful for me to use that word in certain situations. I think it is helpful to teach young people that there are situations where swearing is disrespectful and rude, no matter how arbitrary our classifications of swear words may be.

Very young kids aren't going to be able to grasp the concept of "It's okay to swear sometimes, but not other times." It's easier to teach them, "No swearing" until they're old enough to understand the importance of context.

Of course, when I was growing up my parents taught me that cursing was fine inside our home. I wasn't to curse out in public, because that would be rude, but I was allowed to curse in the house.
Agreed , like I said it is all about attitude and respect … those are what need to be emphasized not the word itself like it often is in schools.

For example when I was in high school “Jewish” was a big insult that everyone threw around … it was not a “Curse word” but it was horribly disrespectful to everyone all around

Agreed , like I said it is all about attitude and respect … those are what need to be emphasized not the word itself like it often is in schools.

For example when I was in high school “Jewish” was a big insult that everyone threw around … it was not a “Curse word” but it was horribly disrespectful to everyone all around

Exactly! The whole point shouldn't be to forbid particular vocalizations; it should be to teach kids about behaving respectfully in public.

Hence the taser. :)

yeah, but for some reason I think I might loose my job if I did that :p not that I get paid, but I barter for free classes for my kids, so really if I lost my job it would only hurt them

Exactly! The whole point shouldn't be to forbid particular vocalizations; it should be to teach kids about behaving respectfully in public.

Yup if the kids learn respect you will not have to worry about the nastiness behind the word in public, their respect won’t be word dependant.

Yup if the kids learn respect you will not have to worry about the nastiness behind the word in public, their respect won’t be word dependant.
US news is full of current examples of how politicians and public figures can call somebody a ****** without actually using that word. Or how they can call a woman a stupid little **** without actually using a single curse word.

It's not cursing that's the problem. It's the complete lack of respect and empathy.

US news is full of current examples of how politicians and public figures can call somebody a ****** without actually using that word. Or how they can call a woman a stupid little **** without actually using a single curse word.

It's not cursing that's the problem. It's the complete lack of respect and empathy.

We are defiantly of alike mind on this, personally just limiting the words reminds me of PC gone amuck …

if anything, the government/board of education/ parents/etc... need to be giving teachers more control within the class room, not less.

kind of funny isnt it, our government conisist primarily of people who went to private schools. but yet we expect them to know what needs to be done within the public school system.

I did my homework. But only because the dumb kids paid me to make copies. :D

* Who is going to set the criteria for "difficult" backgrounds? What will those criteria be?
* Will the punishment for someone who was molested as a young child be different from the punishment for someone who lives in a house with an abusive parent?
* How will teachers identify those students with "difficult" backgrounds? Will the teachers get access to student files and medical histories which they currently don't have access to? Will the students be required to wear signs with their "difficult" background creds for all to see? Will they have to write papers the first day of class to identify their "difficult" backgrounds?
* How will those "difficult" backgrounds be vetted? Do teachers just take the students word for it that they had a rough childhood?
* Will teachers be forced to use "profiling" to guage the likelyhood that a student had a "difficult" background? Didn't some liberals already say that profiling was unacceptable?
* Who will be responsible when a student's words or actions interfere with the individual rights of the teachers? Will teachers be required to suspend or waive their personal rights in deferrence to the students'?
* Who will be responsible when the teachers can no longer control their classrooms because the students know that there are no consequences and that the teacher must be "tolerant" of whatever they can throw at them?
* Who will be responsible for explaining to the kids that Suzy with white parents who make a decent living is held to a stricter standard than Ricky who's been in juvi four times and curses the teachers out for the smallest things and deals drugs in school? Anyone want to guess what THAT's going to teach the next generation?

there aren't a lot of words that I have a problem with, I refrain from saying some of them certain places out of respect for others who do have a problem, but there is a difference to me between a kid that drops his pencil and says "shit" and a kid who is screaming out above my lecture "shitpissfuckcuntcocksuckermotherfucker" because that would annoy me and take away from my class time......

Once he's on meds for his tourets it should be ok . . . :D

It's total tripe. If there's one thing holding back educators in the US it's that students no longer care about the courses they take and make an effort. That is attained by keeping the same workload, but making an effort to give assignments that students enjoy.

Of course, if a student hates a subject that can be difficult, but the last thing we need is to convince them that not doing work is alright. Think about the lesson that teaches.

my highschool biology teacher used to throw chalkboard erasers at students not paying attention. there should be more teachers like that...

Remember those huge bazooka squirt guns? The ones you pump 50 times that shoot a huge burst of water? Use those... just hope noone is in a white shirt...

If all else fails, use an airhorn.

my highschool biology teacher used to throw chalkboard erasers at students not paying attention. there should be more teachers like that...

I had an astronomy teacher who duct-taped students who fell asleep to their chairs, squirted water from a spray bottle at them, and even shocked them a couple times.

It was quite effective, actually.