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This guy is just amazing. And he wonders why we dont trust him when he says that his nuclear program is "peaceful" I wish i understood how he gains politically by taking this position. It just makes him look crazy. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060828/wl_mideast_afp/irangermanyisrael_060828130321;_ylt=AsPje4uofVRDzLvt4xG.ovxg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--

This guy is just amazing. And he wonders why we dont trust him when he says that his nuclear program is "peaceful" http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060828/wl_mideast_afp/irangermanyisrael_060828130321;_ylt=AsPje4uofVRDzLvt4xG.ovxg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--

I'm sure it is just as peaceful as the B2 bombers doing peaceful, diplomatic fly overs above Tehran.

And, boy, are their boche faces red!

why can't we have such interesting leaders :(

I'm sure it is just as peaceful as the B2 bombers doing peaceful, diplomatic fly overs above Tehran.


Ummm pantless one...you did figure out that that was a " spoof" article...you know an attempt at levity..a joke...sarcasm etc...


This looney toon is a real live leader of a country .

Big fucking difference dont you think ?


And a really good reason to make the spoof article a real life action .

I'm sure it is just as peaceful as the B2 bombers doing peaceful, diplomatic fly overs above Tehran.

Except we dont care if Iran feels threatened by those and in fact its our hope they do. They, on the other hand have a vested interest in not appearing to be threatening and they are just doing a peaceful civilian electrical program.

why can't we have such interesting leaders :(

One lunatic per quarter century is your allotment, and you already had Maggie...

Hey dont forget the Aryans were from the area of the persian empire...So Abadabadoobabob can claim to be the next Cyrus the waste .

How much you want to bet he has a jihad Bunker ?

Plus, when the inevitable bombs drop on the Iranian reactors, you know the West will trot this out as part of the justification. So why give them extra ammo to use when to just saying nothing at all on the matter would suit Irans interests better.

Here is a full interview with Ahmadinejad that was done by Der Spiegel. Naturally, the Holocaust was made a topic.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418660,00.html

As for the letter to Merkel...well, I guess he doesn't get it. Many people don't, because they couldn't understand how such a guilt can be associated with a country and the people still don't seem to want to rebel against that and deny it, like they do in Turkey etc.

And here is a bit more about the response: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,427971,00.html
Iran's leader had sent a 10-page letter to the office of German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday. It contains "many claims that are not acceptable to us, in particular about Israel, the state of Israel's right to exist and the Holocaust," government spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm said on Friday in Berlin. In the past, Ahmadinejad has made comments in which he labelled the Nazi Holocaust a myth and called for the destruction of the state of Israel. "Our position on these questions is known," Wilhelm said, noting that Merkel has repeatedly identified Israel's right to exist as a cornerstone of German policy and that "it is in no way acceptable to us to question it."

Plus, when the inevitable bombs drop on the Iranian reactors, you know the West will trot this out as part of the justification. So why give them extra ammo to use when to just saying nothing at all on the matter would suit Irans interests better.

Because he has to placate two groups:

1. The mullahs who are the power behind the government.
2. The people who voted for him.

Both of them strongly believe his bullshit.

Both of them strongly believe his bullshit.
You should probably differentiate between different kinds of bullshit though.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,432788,00.html
The government of Iran appears set to reject the European incentive package on Tuesday. A show of strength? A diplomatic blunder? Iranians themselves don't know what to think.

Except we dont care if Iran feels threatened by those and in fact its our hope they do. They, on the other hand have a vested interest in not appearing to be threatening and they are just doing a peaceful civilian electrical program.

Of course there is no possibility that they are actually interested in in for you know electricity.

Crazy people can be so entertaining. Except when they are the leader of a nation that proclaims the desire for the destruction of other nations. I wonder why Holocaust deniers can think they can back up their stupid beliefs.

It is not as if Germany needed embarassing anyway. They did that all on their own by following that psycho they let bring their nation to destruction.

Of course there is no possibility that they are actually interested in in for you know electricity.

Yes, they get more electricity, and as a neat by-product, the waste from a heavy water reactor makes an excellent source of plutonium. Which is useful if you want to wipe Israel off the map.

Of course there is no possibility that they are actually interested in in for you know electricity.
I think that was the point of that other OP's joke article. Things like putting major installations underground...it's just got no civilian reason.

Not even the Iranians themselves think this is about electricity. Let's just accept is as a given that the Iranian leadership thinks the country needs a nuclear weapon (I mean, if even Pakistan can have one...)

The question then is two-fold: Do we think it is acceptable that they get one, and if not, how far are we prepared to go?
Allthewhile China and Russia get the energy reserves of that country (second-largest oil reserves, pretty damn huge gas reserves too), and let the West do the whole pissing the Iranians off thing.

Of course there is no possibility that they are actually interested in in for you know electricity.



If that was the actual case then they wouldnt be in violation of several treaties and wouldn't have thrown out the inspectors and would not have opened a heavy water plant and would not have enriched Uranium and wouldn't have a nuclear weapons program .

When you bury your head in the sand so much do you get bad sunburn on your ass ...without pants and sunch ..?:D

I think that was the point of that other OP's joke article. Things like putting major installations underground...it's just got no civilian reason.
Well when a neighboring country gets invaded and its government overthrown on circumstantial evidence by a military power disguised as a spreader of democracy and peace whose leader starts pointing fingers at me next, I would put the shit underground too.


When you bury your head in the sand so much do you get bad sunburn on your ass ...without pants and sunch ..?
That depends, is your case of brown nose terminal?

This guy is just amazing. And he wonders why we dont trust him when he says that his nuclear program is "peaceful" I wish i understood how he gains politically by taking this position. It just makes him look crazy.
First of all the Iranian president Ahmadinejad may say a lot, but his power is limited.
See the excellent Chatham House report page 10 for example:
Despite the prominence of Ahmadinejad, the Iranian political system does not give complete political control to the presidency. Following in the footsteps of Ayatollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, is clearly at the very top of the domestic power structure, but the actual exercising of power is less certain. In many ways, the Iranian regime reflects a constant jockeying for influence between different interest groups, personalities and institutions. Even though most core policy positions – such as the inadmissibility of foreign interference in Iran’s domestic affairs or foreign policy – are shared and constant, the articulation and shaping of the detail of policy often gives rise to intense rivalry.
Ahmadinejad’s role is to manage domestic policy and maintain popular support for the nuclear issue through gestures and speeches.
The most prominent of these [elements] is the new Strategic Council for Foreign Relations which was established by Khamenei on 25 June 2006. The profile of the Council’s membership suggests that Khamenei has become increasingly unhappy with Ahmadinejad’s approach to foreign policy issues. To counterbalance this, the Supreme Leader has turned to political figures associated with the ‘reformist’ trend that enjoyed brief prominence under the Khatami presidency.

This guy is just amazing. And he wonders why we dont trust him when he says that his nuclear program is "peaceful" I wish i understood how he gains politically by taking this position. It just makes him look crazy.
Second, Ahmadinejad has said nothing new; the denial of the Holocaust is quite common throughout the Middle East. Stories about the (non-)existence of the holocaust abound. Many believe that the Holocaust was not as bad as we in the West think, or that it did not happen at all. Many of those who do believe in the Holocaust see it as a European problem that was turned into a Middle Eastern problem.

We in the West have grown up seeing the pictures and films and learning of its existence through our parents and schools, you must understand that they have not, and cannot believe the horrors we have seen.

Consequently, many do not see the need for Israel to exist. Moreover, many do not consider that Israel has the right to exist. Note that this does not mean that all Jews living in Israel have got to be killed; they rather believe that Israel should be abolished and that the Jews should live in a Palestinian/Arab state.