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hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!

congrats man.

I'm glad that you are pround of your kid. That's the main thing.

He def. does deserve a Hoo Rah!

Buy him a beer for me. :cool:

Congrats!

my cousin goes in soon.

Congradulations, I wish him best of luck.

Buy him a beer for me, too.

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!

Congratulations. I felt the same way when my son and daughter graduated from Navy Boot Camp. I feel the same way about my cousin who's a SEAL. You have every right to be proud, so does your son.

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!

Congrats to your son for graduating.

However, I highly doubt he will be protecting me any time before I die. We havn't been attacked on the mainland for almost 200 years, and havn't had large warfare for 150. Odds are against it.

Congrats to your son for graduating.

However, I highly doubt he will be protecting me any time before I die. We havn't been attacked on the mainland for almost 200 years, and havn't had large warfare for 150. Odds are against it.

You an antartican native or something?

AJ Man:

Tell the guy good luck! I will be going in next summer/fall myself after I graduate from college. Hoo ah! What is his MOS? It's nice to know that there are those who will take the safety and the security of the group and make it his responsibility. A wolf, indeed. I have something I'll post here, and email to you. It's called "The Defender's creed".

The Defender's Creed

I accept and understand that human predators exist.
Criminal or terrorist, they take advantage of our civilized society to prey upon the weak. They represent evil and must be confronted and defeated.

I believe that self-defense is a moral imperative, and that illegitimate force and illegal violence must be met with righteous indignation and superior violence.

I will not rely on others for the security of myself, my family and my community.


I proudly proclaim that I run with a like-minded pack. I do not amble through life with the mind-numbed herd.

I will train with my chosen weapons, maintain them and carry them in a condition of readiness at all times.

I will be mentally prepared and physically equipped to effectively respond to an attack or emergency.

I will constantly test myself against realistic standards to discover my strengths and weaknesses. I will turn weakness into strength. I will seek to learn new skills and techniques, and then teach what I have learned to other members of the pack.

Be it with firearm or blade, empty hand or blunt object, I will hit my enemies hard, fast and true.

I will live a quiet and unobtrusive life, but I will develop and retain the capacity for swift and decisive violence. I recognize that I am the modern equivalent of the traditional Minuteman, and that I may be called to service at anytime against heavily armed enemies. I will respond effectively.

I accept that I am a pariah among some of my countrymen, and a quaint anachronism to others. I will not hold their ignorance against them.

I will win, or die trying.

I swear this creed before God, my family and my fellow citizens and I do so without apology."

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!
Just being able to go through one of those bloody awful boot camps we Americans seem so fond of is a huge accomplishment in and of itself. Tell him "Well done" for me. Oh, and buy him a bat'leth.

Congrats to your son for graduating.

However, I highly doubt he will be protecting me any time before I die. We havn't been attacked on the mainland for almost 200 years, and havn't had large warfare for 150. Odds are against it.

I guess they stopped teaching history too.

You an antartican native or something?

AJ Man:

Tell the guy good luck! I will be going in next summer/fall myself after I graduate from college. Hoo ah! What is his MOS?

No.

Are you?

I would love to defend my country, there just hasn't been a chance in ages. My former unit just got sent to iraq. Thank god I got out beforehand.

No.

Are you?

I would love to defend my country, there just hasn't been a chance in ages. My former unit just got sent to iraq. Thank god I got out beforehand.

American? Canadian?

I can't think of a Western nation that hasn't been involved in a major war in the past 200 years.

I'd go to Iraq. My buddy is, I wish I could go with him.

"he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm"

Hahaha... Yeah, I seriously doubt that.

go army!

If he's Army it's "Hooah", not "ooh rah" or any other Jarine thing like that. And if he's Cavalry (the best part of the Army) it's "Aieeyah".

Congrats to your son for graduating.

However, I highly doubt he will be protecting me any time before I die. We havn't been attacked on the mainland for almost 200 years, and havn't had large warfare for 150. Odds are against it.

Err... there have been numerous attacks on the US mainland in the last 200 years, rangfing from the War of 1812, Pancho Villa, WWI (look up the Black Tom Explosion - Germany paid $50 million in reparatiopns), numerousa attacks by Japanese and German forces in WWII, and most recently a little thing in NYC, Washington DC, and PA. As for major fighting, I'd say the whole Civil War involved some major fighting.

I would love to defend my country, there just hasn't been a chance in ages. My former unit just got sent to iraq. Thank god I got out beforehand.

Since when were you serving? Last I remember you were still a HS student...

Err... there have been numerous attacks on the US mainland in the last 200 years, rangfing from the War of 1812, Pancho Villa, WWI (look up the Black Tom Explosion - Germany paid $50 million in reparatiopns), numerousa attacks by Japanese and German forces in WWII, and most recently a little thing in NYC, Washington DC, and PA. As for major fighting, I'd say the whole Civil War involved some major fighting.



Since when were you serving? Last I remember you were still a HS student...

How many troops of ours were involved in those events, actively defending us, excluding the civil war and 1812?

I was serving from about june 2005 to september 2005. I don't feel like getting into the story.

American? Canadian?

I can't think of a Western nation that hasn't been involved in a major war in the past 200 years.

I'd go to Iraq. My buddy is, I wish I could go with him.


American.

Western nation with war on its own soil, not just war.

How many troops of ours were involved in those events, actively defending us, excluding the civil war and 1812?

Doesn't matter. You claimed there had been no attacks and no major fighting. You were wrong.

How many troops of ours were involved in those events, actively defending us, excluding the civil war and 1812?

I was serving from about june 2005 to september 2005. I don't feel like getting into the story.

How were you discharged?

American.

Western nation with war on its own soil, not just war.

So whose soil was the American Civil War fought on? Canada's?

Congratulations :)

"he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm"

Hahaha... Yeah, I seriously doubt that.
You want to butt rape the NS community?:(

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!
Yep Congrats.
If he's Army it's "Hooah", not "ooh rah" or any other Jarine thing like that. And if he's Cavalry (the best part of the Army) it's "Aieeyah".
Indeed.

Congratulation Secret aj man! There is nothing wrong with being a proud parent. I am one too!

I wish him well and pray that he will be safe and not get sent to Iraq or Afganistan.

:D

Doesn't matter. You claimed there had been no attacks and no major fighting. You were wrong.


Dear god! what have I done!?

My point was, if you tried to comprehend instead of critique, is that there is an incredibly low chance of american troops defending me, or anyone else in america.

How were you discharged?

I wasn't. I left before I went to boot.

You want to butt rape the NS community?:(

It's a simple fact that no one needs their ass saved, but everyone needs their ass ravaged.

...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..
This bad moth enough for you:
http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/mothra.jpg

This bad moth enough for you:
http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/mothra.jpg

Come now.. How long have you been waiting for someone to mispell mouth?

he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..


http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2958/roflmaong4.jpg

No he won't, you arrogant bastards.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2958/roflmaong4.jpg

No he won't, you arrogant bastards.

Lmao nice pic.

And there is a chance that we could to war in the next 30 years or so, effectively meaning that he is protecting your country from harm.

I have something I'll post here, and email to you. It's called "The Defender's creed".

The Defender's Creed

I accept and understand that human predators exist.
Criminal or terrorist, they take advantage of our civilized society to prey upon the weak. They represent evil and must be confronted and defeated.

I believe that self-defense is a moral imperative, and that illegitimate force and illegal violence must be met with righteous indignation and superior violence.

I will not rely on others for the security of myself, my family and my community.


I proudly proclaim that I run with a like-minded pack. I do not amble through life with the mind-numbed herd.

I will train with my chosen weapons, maintain them and carry them in a condition of readiness at all times.

I will be mentally prepared and physically equipped to effectively respond to an attack or emergency.

I will constantly test myself against realistic standards to discover my strengths and weaknesses. I will turn weakness into strength. I will seek to learn new skills and techniques, and then teach what I have learned to other members of the pack.

Be it with firearm or blade, empty hand or blunt object, I will hit my enemies hard, fast and true.

I will live a quiet and unobtrusive life, but I will develop and retain the capacity for swift and decisive violence. I recognize that I am the modern equivalent of the traditional Minuteman, and that I may be called to service at anytime against heavily armed enemies. I will respond effectively.

I accept that I am a pariah among some of my countrymen, and a quaint anachronism to others. I will not hold their ignorance against them.

I will win, or die trying.

I swear this creed before God, my family and my fellow citizens and I do so without apology."
Take that straight out of the Timothy McVeigh handbook, did we?

What a strange wee paranoid world you've created for yourself. Guess it makes you feel important.
My only hope is that the US Army isn't so hard up this time next year that they'll realise the dangers of giving you a gun and refuses to take you.

Trilby63;11607326']Come now.. How long have you been waiting for someone to mispell mouth?
Oh, for weeks now, if not moths.

Congrats! And thanks to your son!

Lmao nice pic.

And there is a chance that we could to war in the next 30 years or so, effectively meaning that he is protecting your country from harm.

Rather "you". Not "we".

In the incredibly unlikely event Iceland gets invaded and this guys son gets shipped out here to stop the...uhm...whoever doing the extremely unlikely invading, then I'll come back and post a retraction of my comment above.

Rather "you". Not "we".

In the incredibly unlikely event Iceland gets invaded and this guys son gets shipped out here to stop the...uhm...whoever doing the extremely unlikely invading, then I'll come back and post a retraction of my comment above.

Ok, my bad.

Rather "you". Not "we".

In the incredibly unlikely event Iceland gets invaded and this guys son gets shipped out here to stop the...uhm...whoever doing the extremely unlikely invading, then I'll come back and post a retraction of my comment above.
What about from militant penguins?
They might decide they've had enough of being at the bottom of the world and decide to take over Iceland & Greenland. Hundreds of thousands of angry penguins waddling down the main street squawking and pecking.
Then what would you do, huh?

What about from militant penguins?
They might decide they've had enough of being at the bottom of the world and decide to take over Iceland & Greenland. Hundreds of thousands of angry penguins waddling down the main street squawking and pecking.
Then what would you do, huh?

The Icelanders would club them to death, a fellow Nordic people as they are.

What about from militant penguins?
They might decide they've had enough of being at the bottom of the world and decide to take over Iceland & Greenland. Hundreds of thousands of angry penguins waddling down the main street squawking and pecking.
Then what would you do, huh?

I'll join the insurgency and send menacing videos of hostage penguins to al-jazeera.

I'll join the insurgency and send menacing videos of hostage penguins to al-jazeera.

Al-jazeera is in the completely wrong climate to care, though. You should send them to... uhm... NRK or DR. SVT still wouldn't care, and YLE wouldn't understand you.

Al-jazeera is in the completely wrong climate to care, though. You should send them to... uhm... NRK or DR. SVT still wouldn't care, and YLE wouldn't understand you.

RUV then, if it survives the penguin onslaught.

Those arnt penguins. Its Hezbollah in tuxedos.

What about from militant penguins?
They might decide they've had enough of being at the bottom of the world and decide to take over Iceland & Greenland. Hundreds of thousands of angry penguins waddling down the main street squawking and pecking.
Then what would you do, huh?
:rolleyes:
They can use guns, y'know.
http://www.geocities.com/zoidberg_fan/scanart/tn_penguin_gun.png
Anyway, to the OP- Congrats!

RUV then, if it survives the penguin onslaught.

That's a pretty limited audience, still. As a terr... I mean, resistance fighter, you need as much exposure as you can get, and, really, who speaks that archaic gobbledegook you björkians mumble anyway? You need to internationalise and expand your struggle - maximise your publicity/pluck ratio to the extreme by consolidating your efforts in a more diverse market. Once you've done that, you can segway into the more follower-lucrative training camp malcontent stratum.

American? Canadian?

I can't think of a Western nation that hasn't been involved in a major war in the past 200 years.

I'd go to Iraq. My buddy is, I wish I could go with him.

But america hasnt been attacked since, well, we found it. I support our guys in Iraq, but I dont know why anyone would want to go there.

Original poster, congrats on the graduation.

I can't think of a Western nation that hasn't been involved in a major war in the past 200 years.

Sweden. Not exactly 200 years (damn you Napoleon and your filthy Danish allies), but we're less than a decade shy of it.

Sweden. Not exactly 200 years (damn you Napoleon and your filthy Danish allies), but we're less than a decade shy of it.

Who wants to start the debate that Sweden is a western country? ;)

It's a simple fact that no one needs their ass saved, but everyone needs their ass ravaged.
Is it really?
This bad moth enough for you:
http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/mothra.jpg
OH my god you fiend!
I didn't dare mention that.

Who wants to start the debate that Sweden is a western country? ;)

There is no debate, because we are.

Is it really?

Indubitably.

The Icelanders would club them to death, a fellow Nordic people as they are.
Nothing stops the Penguin Clan!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/GodMode.jpg

congrats man.

I'm glad that you are pround of your kid. That's the main thing.

Agreed weather it be graduating from boot camp highschool or collage being proud of him is cool

Congrats

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!

I am a graduate of the Georgia School for Wayward Boys, Summer 1987. Is that where he graduated from?

Sweden. Not exactly 200 years (damn you Napoleon and your filthy Danish allies), but we're less than a decade shy of it.


Well, the Swedes were pretty bloodthirsty before that. I mean, a country that can do a "Thirty Years War"...

Maybe I should add up all the war years for a country like Sweden, and then see how far the US has to go before we catch up...

Well, the Swedes were pretty bloodthirsty before that. I mean, a country that can do a "Thirty Years War"...

Maybe I should add up all the war years for a country like Sweden, and then see how far the US has to go before we catch up...

But you can only really apply that back to equivelent dates

A ratio would be more discriptive really

Nothing stops the Penguin Clan!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/GodMode.jpg

One need just pelt them with pickled herring. Drives them wild, which leads to their own delicious incapacitation.

But you can only really apply that back to equivelent dates

A ratio would be more discriptive really

Ah, but if we're playing with ratios, perhaps I should take population into account.

If so, we're going to be warring a long time.

Well, the Swedes were pretty bloodthirsty before that. I mean, a country that can do a "Thirty Years War"...

Remains irrelevant to the current Pax Suecia(e).

Maybe I should add up all the war years for a country like Sweden, and then see how far the US has to go before we catch up...

Or, perhaps, you'd like to hold yourselves to a higher standard than that of a religiously savage age. Oh, yeah, since you like to compare yourself to Al-Quaida, I guess that's a ship that sailed a while back...

Remains irrelevant to the current Pax Suecia(e).

Or, perhaps, you'd like to hold yourselves to a higher standard than that of a religiously savage age. Oh, yeah, since you like to compare yourself to Al-Quaida, I guess that's a ship that sailed a while back...

Who says that peace is a higher standard? Really, war is like sex - if you haven't tried it yourself, you're not really qualified to say anything about it.

Ah, but if we're playing with ratios, perhaps I should take population into account.

If so, we're going to be warring a long time.

Not nessisarly .... because with populations you would have to have a growth factor ... The us and sweeden have both come from less populous times, and not accounting for relitive rate of growth would make the ratio meaningless

Who says that peace is a higher standard?

Sanity.

Really, war is like sex - if you haven't tried it yourself, you're not really qualified to say anything about it.

No, war is more like the clap. Some are smart and avoid it in their relations, and others tend to have an itchy burning that they spread around.

Not nessisarly .... because with populations you would have to have a growth factor ... The us and sweeden have both come from less populous times, and not accounting for relitive rate of growth would make the ratio meaningless

well, we would be playing with statistics, which as we both know, we could probably tweak to say anything we might care to say.

Sanity.

No, war is more like the clap. Some are smart and avoid it in their relations, and others tend to have an itchy burning.

I disagree. War is more like being gangbanged in the ass - most don't like it, but some can't get enough of it.

Who says that peace is a higher standard? Really, war is like sex - if you haven't tried it yourself, you're not really qualified to say anything about it.

Sure you are ... I mean that is a rather silly "level" to achieve to have an informed opinion on something.

I mean what about other actions ... if you have not murdered someoneare you qualified to say anything about it? how bout rape? or pedophilia?(note I am not comparing solders or anyone to these people but illegal activities seem to be often commented on but rarely engaged in, at least on this forum)

I mean there are lots of things that people do not engage in personally but they can still have an informed opinion on

well, we would be playing with statistics, which as we both know, we could probably tweak to say anything we might care to say.

Could yes but there are plenty of ways to test them, just because people can play the shell game with stats does not mean they are doing it correctly.

Its the same thing with math I have seen all sorts of crazy things "proved" when it really contains a small miss application of a rule in one of the steps. I would not say math is the fault ... its how people apply it

just remember that war is industrialized murder...

just remember that war is industrialized murder...

Well industrialized killing yes ... murder is debateable as which law applys

Could yes but there are plenty of ways to test them, just because people can play the shell game with stats does not mean they are doing it correctly.

Its the same thing with math I have seen all sorts of crazy things "proved" when it really contains a small miss application of a rule in one of the steps. I would not say math is the fault ... its how people apply it

You're overlooking the fact that in today's world, most people wouldn't know the difference. And the voices of the tiny few who did know the difference would be drowned out.

I disagree. War is more like being gangbanged in the ass - most don't like it, but some can't get enough of it.

No, war in that respect is like a resistant case of lymphogranuloma venereum. Instead of a pleasantly rough and oh, so sweetly pain-tinged ride, those who have it have their colon rupture and their lymph nodes sanguinate, leaving them scarred and having to poo in a bag through a hole in their abdominal wall.

Well industrialized killing yes ... murder is debateable as which law applys

You kill to obtain something in a war, for me is murder, although I am aware of the spikiness of the morality applied.

Deep Kimchi is getting wilder with the time, no?

No, war in that respect is like a resistant case of lymphogranuloma venereum. Instead of a pleasantly rough and oh, so sweetly pain-tinged ride, those who have it have their colon rupture and their lymph nodes sanguinate, leaving them scarred and having to poo in a bag through a hole in their abdominal wall.


It depends on if you're the giver or the receiver now, doesn't it?

Deep Kimchi is getting wilder with the time, no?
No. Actually mellower.

It depends on if you're the giver or the receiver now, doesn't it?

Oh, the giver gets his fair share of painful penile sores and a basically identical lymphogranulomatous crotch rot.

No. Actually mellower.

Mellower?, you used to argue more and rant less when I started posting in general...Now, you are becoming an absolutist

Mellower?, you used to argue more and rant less when I started posting in general...Now, you are becoming an absolutist

I've noticed that I'm actually less likely to rant, but far more likely to provoke ranting.

At this point, I merely have to post, and express no opinion, to get a reaction out of Gauthier, OceanDrive, or Muravyets. The reaction is quite rabid, and I can see the foaming of the mouth quite clearly from several thousand miles away.

You kill to obtain something in a war, for me is murder, although I am aware of the spikiness of the morality applied.

For the aggressor I would say that is accurate.

You're overlooking the fact that in today's world, most people wouldn't know the difference. And the voices of the tiny few who did know the difference would be drowned out.

Not just todays world I doubt people not in the field could understand a lot of it ... but again that is not the fault of the science that is a fault of explination

For the aggressor I would say that is accurate.

After the few first days/weeks/months of the conflict, the line of the "aggressor" is blurry, everyone becomes an aggressor. Could you say that now the iraqi resistance over there are "agressors"?

Not just todays world I doubt people not in the field could understand a lot of it ... but again that is not the fault of the science that is a fault of explination

Or the fault of the outright lie.

I mean, even the simplest thing today is taken as fact by too many people.

Take the online polls you see at news sites (or here, even).

Even though news sites put up a disclaimer, people still think it's accurate.

I've noticed that I'm actually less likely to rant, but far more likely to provoke ranting.

At this point, I merely have to post, and express no opinion, to get a reaction out of Gauthier, OceanDrive, or Muravyets. The reaction is quite rabid, and I can see the foaming of the mouth quite clearly from several thousand miles away.

But you love to give them the scraps so they can eat and maintain their rants, no? Do not drop food under the bridges.

And yes, you raised quite an issue with the "final solution for the muslim problem" thing. Even I got rabid, with foa and everything.

You kill to obtain something in a war, for me is murder, although I am aware of the spikiness of the morality applied.

Deep Kimchi is getting wilder with the time, no?

No murder requires the onus of law by definition; unless you are the creator of law your morality has no effect on what is or is not murder

But you love to give them the scraps so they can eat and maintain their rants, no? Do not drop food under the bridges.

And yes, you raised quite an issue with the "final solution for the muslim problem" thing. Even I got rabid, with foa and everything.

What I marvel as is that I was discussing a hypothetical (and I do believe that all potential hypothetical solutions MUST be considered, even if later discarded).

People took that to be an absolute personal belief. And kneejerked themselves into a complete frenzy.

Or the fault of the outright lie.

I mean, even the simplest thing today is taken as fact by too many people.

Take the online polls you see at news sites (or here, even).

Even though news sites put up a disclaimer, people still think it's accurate.

Yeah people are idiots … though I honestly don’t see any change from one generation to another besides what they are idiots about.

Yeah people are idiots … though I honestly don’t see any change from one generation to another besides what they are idiots about.

Try teaching a first semester statistics course, and seeing the look of shock and horror on some people's faces when the light comes on in their heads.

Try teaching a first semester statistics course, and seeing the look of shock and horror on some people's faces when the light comes on in their heads.

Yeah ... though my first stats course it was more like a candle flickering (my stats teacher was an Scantamonous asshole and an idiot)

After the few first days/weeks/months of the conflict, the line of the "aggressor" is blurry, everyone becomes an aggressor. Could you say that now the iraqi resistance over there are "agressors"?

I was thinking of a more standard war, such as WWII etc. The Iraq insurgents are for the most part terrorists so "war" isn't really accurate.

No murder requires the onus of law by definition; unless you are the creator of law your morality has no effect on what is or is not murder

And who the fuck asked you anything?

That is my conception, I am quite aware it does not have effect on law, genius. That does not stop me to explain my morality regarding that.

Yeah ... though my first stats course it was more like a candle flickering (my stats teacher was an Scantamonous asshole and an idiot)

I'm not saying they all got it - some continued to argue that the polls were right...

I was thinking of a more standard war, such as WWII etc. The Iraq insurgents are for the most part terrorists so "war" isn't really accurate.

Aren't you in a "War against terror"?

Almost all wars have insurgents. Didn't the "American revolution" had a lot of insurgents against the english crown?

And who the fuck asked you anything?

That is my conception, I am quite aware it does not have effect on law, genius. That does not stop me to explain my morality regarding that.

Well, speaking from personal experience, if you're in the war zone, and people start shooting at you, all the morality goes right out the window. Along with your politics, and to a substantial degree, any orders you may have received.

It's very, very personal. And you experience an emotional reaction (fear, anger, etc) that is very primal. And shooting people to make them stop shooting you is extremely satisfying, but not in the way that war movies would make you think - it's a relief - a major relief to know that the people shooting at you are dead, and you feel a celebratory rush.

Later, some may feel bad about it (I never did). But that's because they are placing their peacetime context over events that have nothing to do with peace.

It's not about politics, or morality. It's about you and your closest friends (the closest you will ever, ever have) surviving to come home, and doing whatever it takes to make that happen.

It's exciting and confusing and chaotic - rather like being in a violent scrimmage in US football or a rugby scrum. There isn't any time to sit and rationalize any of it - there's barely time to think of what to do. And knowing that if you do nothing, you're going to die.

Aren't you in a "War against terror"?

Almost all wars have insurgents. Didn't the "American revolution" had a lot of insurgents against the english crown?

That "war against terror" is bullshit. Fighting against scattered, pathetic people can hardly be called any kind of "war" as I know it.

Iraq "insurgents" are terrorists, the American rebels were just that, rebels, who came out and fought the British as army vs. army. The Iraqi terrorists just blow up civilians and yet try to call themselves something other than who they are: terrorists.

That's a pretty limited audience, still. As a terr... I mean, resistance fighter, you need as much exposure as you can get, and, really, who speaks that archaic gobbledegook you björkians mumble anyway? You need to internationalise and expand your struggle - maximise your publicity/pluck ratio to the extreme by consolidating your efforts in a more diverse market. Once you've done that, you can segway into the more follower-lucrative training camp malcontent stratum.

So we'll make demands in the language of the aggressor

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Well, speaking from personal experience, if you're in the war zone, and people start shooting at you, all the morality goes right out the window. Along with your politics, and to a substantial degree, any orders you may have received.

It's very, very personal. And you experience an emotional reaction (fear, anger, etc) that is very primal. And shooting people to make them stop shooting you is extremely satisfying, but not in the way that war movies would make you think - it's a relief - a major relief to know that the people shooting at you are dead, and you feel a celebratory rush.

Later, some may feel bad about it (I never did). But that's because they are placing their peacetime context over events that have nothing to do with peace.

It's not about politics, or morality. It's about you and your closest friends (the closest you will ever, ever have) surviving to come home, and doing whatever it takes to make that happen.

It's exciting and confusing and chaotic - rather like being in a violent scrimmage in US football or a rugby scrum. There isn't any time to sit and rationalize any of it - there's barely time to think of what to do. And knowing that if you do nothing, you're going to die.

That's the experience of a first line soldier, I guess.

And yes, I haven't shot a gun at anybody, but I have been shot at, and I know how it feels. I suppose you feel some kind of relief knowing they are not going to shoot at you anymore.

But then, you participated in a war. You didn't make it. You didn't go there on your own. I was talking about the morality of those that decide and make the war, not those that finish inmersed on it, willing or not.

And morality still stands under fire. That I can tell from my own personal experience. I guess it depends on the force of the morality involved. Someone prone to guns and action will have the moral fence placed lower than others.

That "war against terror" is bullshit. Fighting against scattered, pathetic people can hardly be called any kind of "war" as I know it.

Iraq "insurgents" are terrorists, the American rebels were just that, rebels, who came out and fought the British as army vs. army. The Iraqi terrorists just blow up civilians and yet try to call themselves something other than who they are: terrorists.

Continental militia? Not the Continental regiments, but the militias.

Aren't those in your history book? hardly army vs army stuff. I'm not criticizing, resistance was entirely valid then, and perhaps now, but don't....ignore basic things. The line of rebel and terrorists is based on intent regarding civilians and innocents, not regaring army vs army tactics. Guerrilla warfare is the favored instrument of terrorists and rebels alike, and b rebel I mean the damaged term "freedom fighter"

Someone prone to guns and action will have the moral fence placed lower than others.

Whats THAT supposed to mean? That someone prone to guns have less morals then someone who isnt? Isnt that awfully conceited of you to tell someone at what LEVEL thier fence is compared to yours? Mighty arrogant of you. For some, defending country life liberty and family is the highest moral ground achievable

Whats THAT supposed to mean? That someone prone to guns have less morals then someone who isnt? Isnt that awfully conceited of you to tell someone at what LEVEL thier fence is compared to yours? Mighty arrogant of you.

If you like guns, you are more likely to like using them, for the right or the wrong reasons. Sorry, but that is the way it is. Stop trying to make me swallow that you value "the aesthetic value of guns, but not their pragmatic, practical use". That would in extremis hypocritical.

Regarding the implications of the use of guns, of course their morality fences would be lowered, as nympho and satires have their morality senses regarding sex lowered as well. The more you like something, the more you are prone to indulge on it. Pick that and place it regarding any preference and you will see it is extremely accord with human logic. Try some numbers, if you want to.

Then pick your words, and meditate deeply over them, oh dull one.

If you like guns, you are more likely to like using them, for the right or the wrong reasons. Sorry, but that is the way it is. Stop trying to make me swallow that you value "the aesthetic value of guns, but not their pragmatic, practical use". That would in extremis hypocritical.

Regarding the implications of the use of guns, of course their morality fences would be lowered, as nympho and satires have their morality senses regarding sex lowered as well. The more you like something, the more you are rone to indulge on it. Pick that and place it regarding any prefenrence and you will see it is extremely accord with human logic. Try some numbers, if you want to.

Then pick your words, and meditate deeply over them, oh dull one.


If there were no firearms, we would still be living in feudalism.

Continental militia? Not the Continental regiments, but the militias.

Aren't those in your history book? hardly army vs army stuff. I'm not criticizing, resistance was entirely valid then, and perhaps now, but don't....ignore basic things. The line of rebel and terrorists is based on intent regarding civilians and innocents, not regaring army vs army tactics. Guerrilla warfare is the favored instrument of terrorists and rebels alike, and b rebel I mean the damaged term "freedom fighter"

Well I certainly am not aware of our militias blowing up civilians. Guerrillas they may have been but from what I learned they did it against the British army and their mercenaries.

If you like guns, you are more likely to like using them, for the right or the wrong reasons. Sorry, but that is the way it is. Stop trying to make me swallow that you value "the aesthetic value of guns, but not their pragmatic, practical use". That would in extremis hypocritical.

Regarding the implications of the use of guns, of course their morality fences would be lowered, as nympho and satires have their morality senses regarding sex lowered as well. The more you like something, the more you are rone to indulge on it. Pick that and place it regarding any prefenrence and you will see it is extremely accord with human logic. Try some numbers, if you want to.

Then pick your words, and meditate deeply over them, oh dull one.

For some, defending country life liberty and family is the highest moral ground achievable. And sometimes this involves guns. Doesnt diminish the value of the morality in any way shape or form. Nor does it give you the right to rate it compared to your morality without you coming off as a judgemental ahole. Hows that for dull.

For some, defending country life liberty and family is the highest moral ground achievable. And sometimes this involves guns. Doesnt diminish the value of the morality in any way shape or form. Nor does it give you the right to rate it compared to your morality without you coming off as a judgemental ahole.

How else are we supposed to judge things besides with our morality?

Well I certainly am not aware of our militias blowing up civilians. Guerrillas they may have been but from what I learned they did it against the British army and their mercenaries.

And which part of that statement contradicts what I did say?

And well, Kimchi. Japanese people lived under feudalism with guns...Europeans too. That's not directly related.

But I don't want to take this issue over the edge. The point is that if you are a soldier that likes guns, you are more prone to use it fast and easy than one that doesn't have a special taste for gunpowder, that's a fact. I'm not messing with the reasons of firing the gun, I am well aware that you can take a shot for all the good reasons and for all the bad reasons. but if you like shooting, you think less if you are doing it for the wrong or the good reasons.

How else are we supposed to judge things besides with our morality?

In combat, I judged things by whether or not I was still alive, and whether or not people were still trying to kill me.

More of a survival instinct than morality. And it worked!

In combat, I judged things by whether or not I was still alive, and whether or not people were still trying to kill me.

More of a survival instinct than morality. And it worked!

True, I should have phrased the question better. But you know what I mean

They are arguing how “Right” or “Wrong” something was, how else would you judge the moral impact but with morals?

For some, defending country life liberty and family is the highest moral ground achievable. And sometimes this involves guns. Doesnt diminish the value of the morality in any way shape or form. Nor does it give you the right to rate it compared to your morality without you coming off as a judgemental ahole.

I have to judge things using my morality. It is anyone's right and prerrogative. It is called "opinion", if you are denying the right to have opinions, you are in the wrong place to start.

And you haven't understood anything I have written so far. I suggest you to re read. As I said like twice before, you can fire a gun for the good reasons (like the ones described above) or for all the wrong reasons. I am not messing with the motives of firing the gun, but with taking the act rashly.

I bet 2 cents you read two phrases of my post and exploded in a rant before pondering what to write.

In combat, I judged things by whether or not I was still alive, and whether or not people were still trying to kill me.

More of a survival instinct than morality. And it worked!

In combat, after someone fired at you, noone is going to blame for firing a gun, or to disable those trying to harm you in a direct way, even if that implies killing them. Indeed, that is called self defense and survival instict. What can be punishable by morals is when you stop shooting, that's all.

True, I should have phrased the question better. But you know what I mean

They are arguing how “Right” or “Wrong” something was, how else would you judge the moral impact but with morals?

I think I understand.

If you and I got back from combat alive, I would have a beer, and just drink it. You would want to discuss the morality while drinking the beer.

How else are we supposed to judge things besides with our morality?

Thats what the Taliban do. Its what allows them to abuse others because they can justify to themselves that thier morals are "better". Stop judging things period. Accept peoples differences and accept that there will be differences even if you dont nessesarily agree with them. Im sure from reading what you have written that my morals are very different from yours. Yet do you hear me judging the value of yours?

And which part of that statement contradicts what I did say?

And well, Kimchi. Japanese people lived under feudalism with guns...Europeans too. That's not directly related.

But I don't want to take this issue over the edge. The point is that if you are a soldier that likes guns, you are more prone to use it fast and easy than one that doesn't have a special taste for gunpowder, that's a fact. I'm not messing with the reasons of firing the gun, I am well aware that you can take a shot for all the good reasons and for all the bad reasons. but if you like shooting, you think less if you are doing it for the wrong or the good reasons.


Perhaps I was or still am missing your point. Obviously if you are trained as a soldier then you will find it easier to pull the trigger. That is the point after all. It is that same training that will do its best to make sure that you only hit what you aim at and that what you aim at will be a military target. It is a shame that such beings are neccessary, it would be nice if everyone would be able to talk out their differences but fighting will sometimes be needed.

Thats what the Taliban do. Its what allows them to abuse others because they can justify to themselves that thier morals are "better". Stop judging things period. Accept peoples differences and accept that there will be differences even if you dont nessesarily agree with them. Im sure from reading what you have written that my morals are very different from yours. Yet do you hear me judging the value of yours?

I find it difficult to accept certain differences.

For instance, a difference that says, "if they don't believe what you believe, kill them".

Sorry, I can't accept that one.

\ As I said like twice before, you can fire a gun for the good reasons (like the ones described above) or for all the wrong reasons. I am not messing with the motives of firing the gun, but with taking the act rashly.



I am a gun owner. I am a car owner. I draw no distinction between rashly driving a car and rashly using a gun. It would never remotely occur to me to do either. Gee must be my morals. Wait i forget are they higher or lower then yours again?

I think I understand.

If you and I got back from combat alive, I would have a beer, and just drink it. You would want to discuss the morality while drinking the beer.

Not nessisarily I was just commenting on one poster saying another poster should not use THEIR morality to judge a moral situation. I did not see how that was reasonable or possible

In real life I would just drink the beer, but if someone while I was drinking the beer brought up the morality of drinking but informed me that It was not right to use my morality as a guide I would laugh at them, finish the beer and go home

I am a gun owner. I am a car owner. I draw no distinction between rashly driving a car and rashly using a gun. It would never remotely occur to me to do either. Gee must be my morals. Wait i forget are they higher or lower then yours again?

I was wondering that, too. I have my pistol with me all the time. And yet I've only killed people in war.

Haven't shot anyone in civilian life, no matter how tempting it was.

Thats what the Taliban do. Its what allows them to abuse others because they can justify to themselves that thier morals are "better". Stop judging things period. Accept peoples differences and accept that there will be differences even if you dont nessesarily agree with them. Im sure from reading what you have written that my morals are very different from yours. Yet do you hear me judging the value of yours?

Weren't you calling people, how was it?... "a-hole" around? Seems to be a harsher judgment than anything I have said.

You were judging, for good or for worst. Do not try to get webbed in and argument that it is intrincate enough to be something that clearly you don't understand.

I didn't say my moral was better or worst, sharpy. I said that my moral helps me to discern what is "good" and "evil" for me. That is one of the nifty things morals exist for.

And Utracia, in that, we agree completely. But what if before your training you have always loved to fire guns, and you have expected the moment to "put lead in a towelhead". Wouldn't that make you act harshly?

Thats what the Taliban do. Its what allows them to abuse others because they can justify to themselves that thier morals are "better". Stop judging things period. Accept peoples differences and accept that there will be differences even if you dont nessesarily agree with them. Im sure from reading what you have written that my morals are very different from yours. Yet do you hear me judging the value of yours?

No but that is withholding … perfectly valid I agree don’t get me wrong, but if that is the topic of discussion and you would like to participate rather then withholding a value judgment What else are you supposed to use to judge right and wrong by?

I am a gun owner. I am a car owner. I draw no distinction between rashly driving a car and rashly using a gun. It would never remotely occur to me to do either. Gee must be my morals. Wait i forget are they higher or lower then yours again?

Indeed, perhaps there is no difference. but who was talking about cars, hammers, knives or drillls here? We were talking about guns.

Your morals are not lower than mine, hardly any moral can be lower than another. Your understanding has proved to be, although.

And this is my final answer to you, you can have the final word, if you want.

Thats what the Taliban do. Its what allows them to abuse others because they can justify to themselves that thier morals are "better". Stop judging things period. Accept peoples differences and accept that there will be differences even if you dont nessesarily agree with them. Im sure from reading what you have written that my morals are very different from yours. Yet do you hear me judging the value of yours?

Or rapists. Who are we to say it's wrong, really?

Weren't you calling people, how was it?... "a-hole" around? Seems to be a harsher judgment than anything I have said.
It was said in direct responce to being called dull in the post previous. In fact the reference and joke were so obvious i refered to it in the very next sentence, AND as i said i believe in self defence :P And truth isnt a judgement.


I didn't say my moral was better or worst, sharpy. I said that my moral helps me to discern what is "good" and "evil" for me. That is one of the nifty things morals exist for.

Someone prone to guns and action will have the moral fence placed lower than others.


How do you figure that a moral fence being LOWER than yours isnt a value judgement of better or worse?

Dear god! what have I done!?

My point was, if you tried to comprehend instead of critique, is that there is an incredibly low chance of american troops defending me, or anyone else in america.

Either you are an ignorant boob who is ignoring the numereous cases I pointed out where they have done so, or you are an ignorant ungrateful boob who believes the military is not competent to protect you.

It was said in direct responce to being called dull in the post previous. In fact the reference and joke were so obvious i refered to it in the very next sentence, AND as i said i believe in self defence :P And truth isnt a judgement.

How do you figure that a moral fence being LOWER than yours isnt a value judgement of better or worse?

Truth is as relative and conclusive as morals. Enough said.

Lower as in "pondering less about the implications", as a fence lower and easier to jump. Not lower in your judeochristian sense of "up and down".

Sorry couldn't resist. You are yet so NOT getting the point.

Sorry couldn't resist. You are yet so NOT getting the point.

Not addressing my point on your willingness to assign value to morality isnt helping. A vast majority of the people that cause trouble on this planet are people that are convinced thier morals are better. I showed you evidence in your own words where you valued a set morals over others and you ignored and whitewashed it.

Can someone else explain it to him? Please?

Use your own words....start with i believe" Someone prone to guns and action will have the moral fence placed lower than others." and this is why...

Truth is as relative and conclusive as morals. Enough said.

Lower as in "pondering less about the implications", as a fence lower and easier to jump. Not lower in your judeochristian sense of "up and down".

Sorry couldn't resist. You are yet so NOT getting the point.

Re read the part where it explains the lower fence thing. Do you understand it now or should I use a board and crayola?

Ahhh my apologies, somehow i missed that line. Still the meaning wasnt clear in that intention at all on original post but i can understand your revised definition. But if what your saying is true and you believe your acting morally then there is no wall (or barrier to acting moral) at all.Higher lower or otherwise. Its not lower just because you have a gun. Nor would i more easily act unmoral because i had a gun. So no lower moral wall because i own a gun here. I dont find the idea of shooting soemone any easier because i own a gun. Where is my lower moral wall? Do i "ponder the implications less" by owning a gun? Far from it, in fact the exact opposite is true. Because i own a gun and its a serious responsibility, it has required me to examine my morals VERY closely and i know more about my wall now then before i owned a gun. And i assure you owning that gun didnt make them "lower" as in "pondering less about the implications."

I'm not going to offer congratulations at all. Instead, I'll offer this:

Oh I marched to the battle of New Orleans
At the end of the early British war
The young land started growing
The young blood started flowing
But I ain't marchin' anymore

For I've killed my share of Indians
In a thousand different fights
I was there at the Little Big Horn
I heard many men lying I saw many more dying
But I ain't marchin' anymore

chorus)
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all

For I stole California from the Mexican land
Fought in the bloody Civil War
Yes I even killed my brothers
And so many others But I ain't marchin' anymore

For I marched to the battles of the German trench
In a war that was bound to end all wars
Oh I must have killed a million men
And now they want me back again
But I ain't marchin' anymore

(chorus)

For I flew the final mission in the Japanese sky
Set off the mighty mushroom roar
When I saw the cities burning I knew that I was learning
That I ain't marchin' anymore

Now the labor leader's screamin'
when they close the missile plants,
United Fruit screams at the Cuban shore,
Call it "Peace" or call it "Treason,"
Call it "Love" or call it "Reason,"
But I ain't marchin' any more,
No I ain't marchin' any more

God bless you (even in death), Phil Ochs.

I'm not going to offer congratulations at all. Instead, I'll offer this:

Oh I marched to the battle of New Orleans
At the end of the early British war
The young land started growing
The young blood started flowing
But I ain't marchin' anymore

For I've killed my share of Indians
In a thousand different fights
I was there at the Little Big Horn
I heard many men lying I saw many more dying
But I ain't marchin' anymore

chorus)
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all

For I stole California from the Mexican land
Fought in the bloody Civil War
Yes I even killed my brothers
And so many others But I ain't marchin' anymore

For I marched to the battles of the German trench
In a war that was bound to end all wars
Oh I must have killed a million men
And now they want me back again
But I ain't marchin' anymore

(chorus)

For I flew the final mission in the Japanese sky
Set off the mighty mushroom roar
When I saw the cities burning I knew that I was learning
That I ain't marchin' anymore

Now the labor leader's screamin'
when they close the missile plants,
United Fruit screams at the Cuban shore,
Call it "Peace" or call it "Treason,"
Call it "Love" or call it "Reason,"
But I ain't marchin' any more,
No I ain't marchin' any more

God bless you (even in death), Phil Ochs.

Dulce et decorum est... etc

I am a graduate of the Georgia School for Wayward Boys, Summer 1987. Is that where he graduated from?


hey dk,
no he just finished at fort benning,infantry.(dead of summer in georgia..yikes,he had to be medivac'd and rehydrated in the infirmary for 4 days)another day or 2 and he would have to be recycled,but his d/i said he worked hard enough to warrant continuing.


i would like to thank everyone for the kind words.it really means alot to me,so thank you to all.

to the poster who asked about his mos,after ait,he was gonna go into i think it is 31 something(mp) but has decided to stay in 11b then try airborne school.

i also regret the he'll save your ass comment,that was me just being a tad buzzed after his welcome home party and being a little defensive that some would bad mouth his decision to be a soldier.
drunk and proud is not my best foot forward,i was overcome with emotion for him.
they gave me a video of his training,and the family all watched it,my ex burst out in tears...she finally realized that his life will be in danger after she saw him doing the gft training,and it aint kids playing gi joe,and people will try to kill him.
it's hard on me also,my job is to protect my kids from the world.now i cant..grrr

the moth thing was awesome,that killed me..thanks to the poster that put that up...i got a real good laugh(that i needed)from that..thanks

thanks again to all....

real proud dad(tad scared also)

Dulce et decorum est... etc

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's precisely that sort of romantic nonsense that gets people killed.

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's precisely that sort of romantic nonsense that gets people killed.\

Yea because no country in the history of the planet ever needed soldiers.And loyalty and honor and pride and integrity and devotion and achieving your goals that you work very hard for is such a terrible thing. Im sure you cant see any uses for any of those qualities in people. Ironically you wouldnt be on this message board without them.
Man im sorry for the flame and i dont normally do this but you are simply a royal flaming asshole.

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Yea because no country in the history of the planet ever needed soldiers.And loyalty and honor and pride and integrity and devotion and achieving your goals that you work very hard for is such a terrible thing. Im sure you cant see any uses for any of those qualities in people. Ironically you wouldnt be on this message board without them.
Man im sorry for the flame and i dont normally do this but you are simply a royal flaming asshole.

Don't apologize for things you aren't sorry for. It cheapens the sentiment.

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!I got only one thing to post.

http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/party/beerchug.gif

I got only one thing to post.

http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/party/beerchug.gif

thank you...i know it is for him...but i am filled with so many different emotions right now..so i'll take what i can get..lol...proud/scared/jealous...you name it..i am feeling it.

it makes me feel a little better that so many people had words of support...it really means alot to me and him.

now all he has to do is keep his head down.

i would reply to some of the posts about morality,but i am gonna let it pass and enjoy this moment of overwhelming pride.

thanks again for your kind words...and yes..we tossed a few back.

Secret AJ man...

Looked for this for a while. It's from Pat Dollard's movie Young Americans, soemthing you ought (And EVERYONE) should go see when it (If ever) comes out. Your son is head and shoulders above the pissant party kids who go to school and waste their days away on pointless things. Wish I could find a clean version of the song.



BLOOD FOR BLOOD LYRICS

"Ain't Like You (Wasted Youth II)"

I AIN'T LIKE YOU!

And I don't want your love.
And I don't need your respect.
I just can't hate enough but I got no tears or regrets.

I ain't like you
I will never live like you and you will never walk the path I do.
I will never be like you and I'll never be a part of your society of lies and fools.
I will never live like you.
I will never walk the path you do.
I am your wasted youth so...
Fuck you and society too 'cause my kind just ain't like you.

Yeah, I'm a King of Nothing,
'cause nothing's what I am and nowhere is where I'll be.
But I'd rather be a king of nothing than a servant in a sick society
'cause pretty little children playing pretty little games in their pretty little worlds is all I've ever seen.
You've never felt my pain
And I just gotta say to your face I ain't like you.

I will never live like you
And you will never walk my path so...
Fuck you and your society too.

Once again I'm a King of Nothing,
'cause nothing's what I am and nowhere is where I'll be.
I'm a nowhere man from Nowhere, U.S.A.
It's a dead end street near you.
They broke my heart, they stole my soul and why?
I'll never know.
I'm exiled from all of you so...
Fuck you and the whole world too 'cause I will never live like you.

If you don't like it... you can

I wasn't. I left before I went to boot.

AWOL? Did you screw the pooch and go AWOL? Noone just walks out on a contract with uncle sam.

Coward.

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Yea because no country in the history of the planet ever needed soldiers.And loyalty and honor and pride and integrity and devotion and achieving your goals that you work very hard for is such a terrible thing. Im sure you cant see any uses for any of those qualities in people. Ironically you wouldnt be on this message board without them.
Man im sorry for the flame and i dont normally do this but you are simply a royal flaming asshole.

Soldiers-baaaaaaaaaaaad

Welfare leeches-good

If you've read some of Dobbsey's other posts, you'll come to that same last sentence everytime.

Soldiers-baaaaaaaaaaaad

Welfare leeches-good

If you've read some of Dobbsey's other posts, you'll come to that same last sentence everytime.

dobbs makes good points..so i wont bash him..i just think he just does not get it...he is probably living off his mom or the state,and while his motives may be sincere...it is just not reality..people die so he can type away as i am..i just dont disrespect them...when i am not willing to put my ass on the line.somehow..i think most of these socalled peace nicks and peace pot and microdot types..are just pussies that live in a safe little world...and hate the very people that protect them,and create the enviroment for them to whine.

i doubt saddam or the other poster boys they love(stalin,chavez,castro) would allow them a word...but the soldiers of the west die for them to whine...ironic really..that is why i have zero respect for them.

and i am very liberal...but i dont live off the dole in mommy's basement,and pass judgement on people because it is popular at school.
the very people that enable them to spout the drivel they regugitate from the proffessorsthat aint ever been in a fight,and also glom onto freedom others earned .

that said,i always listen to others opinions,i despise bush,yet somehow..the openminded ones amongst us...are anything but openminded..they just chant the liberal line..reality be damned...sad really.

i'm sure i will get a pithy retort,probably an insult..lol..and the funny thing is..i am quite open to opposing pov's,and i am also pretty liberal...but if i disagree with the liberal mantra/talking points..i am a neo con warmonger...lol..i just wish they opened their eyes,and did not buy the liberal agenda hook line and sinker...just as foolish as the neocons idiots.

but thats just me..i dont need to latch onto an idealogy to have an identity..i am pretty pragmatic...but the left and the right are flat retarded idiots.

i'll take a neocon though ,over some whiney bitch liberal spitting out liberal tripe from their mommys basement...their freedom to do so..paid for in the blood of the people they supposedly despise..i suggest it is jealousy and guilt.

rant off

i doubt saddam or the other poster boys they love(stalin,chavez,castro) would allow them a word...but the soldiers of the west die for them to whine...ironic really..that is why i have zero respect for them.

soldiers of the west? That's a new term.

Chávez still allows me a word, perhaps not for long, not that I love him, or anything close, but...Liberals are not communism lovers, unless you are Hoover.

You people always throw anything that is not according to your views in the "liberal sack" and then douse it with fuel and see it burn. "I don't disrespect him but he lives in his mom's basement and is a society leech and a coward", way to go to not disrespect.

I am doomed to be considered a conservative in my homeland and a liberal outside its borders. Damn moderate postures, noone likes them...

I still think we "moderate centrist" approach more to the truth than extremists from both sides, but well, meh.

One need just pelt them with pickled herring. Drives them wild, which leads to their own delicious incapacitation.
They might go beserk and get a bloodlust!
It might be like 'shrums to them...

hey dk,
no he just finished at fort benning,infantry.(dead of summer in georgia..yikes,he had to be medivac'd and rehydrated in the infirmary for 4 days)another day or 2 and he would have to be recycled,but his d/i said he worked hard enough to warrant continuing.


Ft. Benning is the Georgia School for Wayward Boys. I went there in the Summer of 1987. Fond memories, good times. I also went to Airborne School there immediately after Basic and AIT.

dobbs makes good points..so i wont bash him..i just think he just does not get it...he is probably living off his mom or the state,and while his motives may be sincere...it is just not reality..people die so he can type away as i am..i just dont disrespect them...when i am not willing to put my ass on the line.somehow..i think most of these socalled peace nicks and peace pot and microdot types..are just pussies that live in a safe little world...and hate the very people that protect them,and create the enviroment for them to whine.

i doubt saddam or the other poster boys they love(stalin,chavez,castro) would allow them a word...but the soldiers of the west die for them to whine...ironic really..that is why i have zero respect for them.

and i am very liberal...but i dont live off the dole in mommy's basement,and pass judgement on people because it is popular at school.
the very people that enable them to spout the drivel they regugitate from the proffessorsthat aint ever been in a fight,and also glom onto freedom others earned .

that said,i always listen to others opinions,i despise bush,yet somehow..the openminded ones amongst us...are anything but openminded..they just chant the liberal line..reality be damned...sad really.

i'm sure i will get a pithy retort,probably an insult..lol..and the funny thing is..i am quite open to opposing pov's,and i am also pretty liberal...but if i disagree with the liberal mantra/talking points..i am a neo con warmonger...lol..i just wish they opened their eyes,and did not buy the liberal agenda hook line and sinker...just as foolish as the neocons idiots.

but thats just me..i dont need to latch onto an idealogy to have an identity..i am pretty pragmatic...but the left and the right are flat retarded idiots.

i'll take a neocon though ,over some whiney bitch liberal spitting out liberal tripe from their mommys basement...their freedom to do so..paid for in the blood of the people they supposedly despise..i suggest it is jealousy and guilt.

rant off


Yep, you don't generalise at all. It's a scientific fact that everybody who doesn't respect the military has to live of the dole in their mom's basement... :rolleyes:

Yep, you don't generalise at all. It's a scientific fact that everybody who doesn't respect the military has to live of the dole in their mom's basement... :rolleyes:

I also like the generalization that people only join the military because:

1. they have to, or else live in their parent's basement
2. they are sick patriotic idiots
3. they are bloodthirsty psychotic killers

Ever thought that someone might actually like to be in the military? Someone who likes radical outdoor adventure (jumping from aircraft at 36,000 feet and 540 knots, and freefalling to open low at under 1000 feet)?

I also like the generalization that people only join the military because:

1. they have to, or else live in their parent's basement
2. they are sick patriotic idiots
3. they are bloodthirsty psychotic killers

Ever thought that someone might actually like to be in the military? Someone who likes radical outdoor adventure (jumping from aircraft at 36,000 feet and 540 knots, and freefalling to open low at under 1000 feet)?

I have, and it doesn't do much to change my position about them. I don't assume I know every soldier's motivation for joining the military, I just assume that they're willing agree with the fact that their job might require them to kill.

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's precisely that sort of romantic nonsense that gets people killed.

http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/Dulce.html

No, not in my opinion.

hi..
my kid just graduated the toughest bootcamp in the country(next to paris island)
he is respectful and strong as all hell.

just being a proud parent sharing my pride.

i drove 30 hours to see him graduate,it was worth every second of the drive,to see him with all his comrades...get their berets.

i know some will say they made him a killer,,and i think,oh well,he stepped up to the plate to protect us...bad moth him if you must,he will save your ass someday from the people that mean to do us harm..

just a really proud dad rant i guess...he walks taller and is totally respectful..go army!


Hey if he found it was a good experience then great for him. I don't think anyone will badmouth him and if they do who cares? Congrats!

I have, and it doesn't do much to change my position about them. I don't assume I know every soldier's motivation for joining the military, I just assume that they're willing agree with the fact that their job might require them to kill.

About 1 in 12 US Army personnel are in "combat arms" - that is, a job that will likely put them into direct combat.

The rest of the people are "in the rear with the gear". That is, it's extremely unlikely they'll ever have to kill anyone.

Congrats. I barely got through ninth-grade gym class.

About 1 in 12 US Army personnel are in "combat arms" - that is, a job that will likely put them into direct combat.

The rest of the people are "in the rear with the gear". That is, it's extremely unlikely they'll ever have to kill anyone.

Highly unlikely, I know. But still a possibility. One that I personally object to.

Highly unlikely, I know. But still a possibility. One that I personally object to.

It's a possibility that you may have to kill someone (even if you don't intend more than just stopping them) as a civilian.

Unless you don't believe in self-defense at all, and will let people do what they will to you.

It's possible, although highly unlikely, that if you hit someone you can kill them. All they have to do is fall down and hit their head on the pavement. And then you've killed them.

Are you saying that because something is highly unlikely, yet possible, to result in you killing someone, you will NEVER do it? Does this mean then, that you would never, ever defend yourself, no matter what heinous act might be committed against your person?

And do you prefer then, to hire out your killings? Pay the police to shoot people who are raping you?

It's a possibility that you may have to kill someone (even if you don't intend more than just stopping them) as a civilian.

Unless you don't believe in self-defense at all, and will let people do what they will to you.

It's possible, although highly unlikely, that if you hit someone you can kill them. All they have to do is fall down and hit their head on the pavement. And then you've killed them.

Are you saying that because something is highly unlikely, yet possible, to result in you killing someone, you will NEVER do it? Does this mean then, that you would never, ever defend yourself, no matter what heinous act might be committed against your person?

And do you prefer then, to hire out your killings? Pay the police to shoot people who are raping you?
Um kind of carrying it to the extreme are we not?

If killing to them is a very bad thing

And the chance of killing someone is higher in military life then in civilian life ... why would they logically not choose civilian life?

You may never be able to reach a 0 percent chance but what is wrong with their choice to at least reduce that possibility

Um kind of carrying it to the extreme are we not?

If killing to them is a very bad thing

And the chance of killing someone is higher in military life then in civilian life ... why would they logically not choose civilian life?

You may never be able to reach a 0 percent chance but what is wrong with their choice to at least reduce that possibility

Having seen the relative risk for someone who works in "third shop" maintenance level, the risk of being in combat is essentially zero. It depends on which job in the military you pick.

It's a possibility that you may have to kill someone (even if you don't intend more than just stopping them) as a civilian.

Unless you don't believe in self-defense at all, and will let people do what they will to you.

It's possible, although highly unlikely, that if you hit someone you can kill them. All they have to do is fall down and hit their head on the pavement. And then you've killed them.

Are you saying that because something is highly unlikely, yet possible, to result in you killing someone, you will NEVER do it? Does this mean then, that you would never, ever defend yourself, no matter what heinous act might be committed against your person?

And do you prefer then, to hire out your killings? Pay the police to shoot people who are raping you?


I would defend myself, but I would never defend myself in a way that would risk the life of my attacker. I seriously doubt I could kill with my bare hands....

And no, I don't "hire out my killings", police in this country don't carry firearms. Which is in fact one of the many reasons I chose this country as my home.

Um kind of carrying it to the extreme are we not?

If killing to them is a very bad thing

And the chance of killing someone is higher in military life then in civilian life ... why would they logically not choose civilian life?

You may never be able to reach a 0 percent chance but what is wrong with their choice to at least reduce that possibility

I guess just as I can't understand how someone would be willing to take the risk of taking somebody's life, he can't understand how somebody might see just that as a problem...

I would defend myself, but I would never defend myself in a way that would risk the life of my attacker. I seriously doubt I could kill with my bare hands....

Most of the people who die in simple hand fights aren't killed intentionally. It's usually "an accident" that someone hits their head on a counter or a step, and they die.

You can kill someone by simply pushing them away, and having them fall down and hit their head. It's not unheard of.

I would defend myself, but I would never defend myself in a way that would risk the life of my attacker. I seriously doubt I could kill with my bare hands....

And no, I don't "hire out my killings", police in this country don't carry firearms. Which is in fact one of the many reasons I chose this country as my home.

There was an 'officer exchange' program of sorts proposed between the PSNI and An Garda Siochana. Gardai on the street responded positively to this, beacause at long last they'd get to carry guns on duty. Unfortunately the PSNI refused on the grounds that they couldn't get any of their officers to give up their guns. [/lies]

Most of the people who die in simple hand fights aren't killed intentionally. It's usually "an accident" that someone hits their head on a counter or a step, and they die.

You can kill someone by simply pushing them away, and having them fall down and hit their head. It's not unheard of.

Sadly that is true.

However, I hope people is not expecting to crack the head of the other when they hit it with a baseball bat.

If he's Army it's "Hooah", not "ooh rah" or any other Jarine thing like that. And if he's Cavalry (the best part of the Army) it's "Aieeyah".
What's the difference? The latter has tanks?

Trilby63;11607326']Come now.. How long have you been waiting for someone to mispell mouth?

Oh, for weeks now, if not moths.

Hilarious!

dobbs makes good points..so i wont bash him..

thanks for that much, at least.

i just think he just does not get it...he is probably living off his mom or the state

Sorry, wrong on both counts.

while his motives may be sincere...it is just not reality..people die so he can type away as i am

In your opinion. I don't share your outlook.

..i just dont disrespect them...when i am not willing to put my ass on the line.somehow..i think most of these socalled peace nicks and peace pot and microdot types..are just pussies that live in a safe little world...and hate the very people that protect them,and create the enviroment for them to whine.

Again, in your opinion. Again, I don't share this point of view.

i doubt saddam or the other poster boys they love(stalin,chavez,castro) would allow them a word...but the soldiers of the west die for them to whine...ironic really..that is why i have zero respect for them.

Die all you like, it matters not one whit to me.

and i am very liberal...

That's highly unlikely at best, but no matter.

but i dont live off the dole in mommy's basement,and pass judgement on people because it is popular at school.

I'm afraid you're running with this preconceived notion of yours to no avail, as I neither live in anyone's basement, nor attend school.

the very people that enable them to spout the drivel they regugitate from the proffessorsthat aint ever been in a fight,and also glom onto freedom others earned .

Oh, drop it already. The (contextual) drivel I spout came from my parents, my religious upbringing, and my associations with war veterans

that said,i always listen to others opinions,i despise bush,yet somehow..the openminded ones amongst us...are anything but openminded..they just chant the liberal line..reality be damned...sad really.

What's the point in opening my mind to the romanticization of war? None whatsoever. I might have been raised to be tolerant to a fault, but that doesn't mean I must remain a doormat for the brainwashed of America for the remainder of this lifetime.

i'm sure i will get a pithy retort,probably an insult..lol..and the funny thing is..i am quite open to opposing pov's,and i am also pretty liberal...but if i disagree with the liberal mantra/talking points..i am a neo con warmonger...lol..i just wish they opened their eyes,and did not buy the liberal agenda hook line and sinker...just as foolish as the neocons idiots.

Whatever. I have my own set of eyes, not on loan from any political organization. And they're not for sale, either.

but thats just me..i dont need to latch onto an idealogy to have an identity..i am pretty pragmatic...but the left and the right are flat retarded idiots.

And it's thinking like that that'll never end a rotten status quo for humanity. But by all means, think what you will.

i'll take a neocon though ,over some whiney bitch liberal spitting out liberal tripe from their mommys basement...their freedom to do so..paid for in the blood of the people they supposedly despise..i suggest it is jealousy and guilt.

Suggest all you care to - you're flat-out wrong. And frankly, I'm through with being kicked around by the likes of you.

PS I actually do hope your son doesn't die horribly. But that's as far as I'm willing to go on this one. Now let's hear you bitch some more.

http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/Dulce.html

No, not in my opinion.

Oh, forgive me - I'd assumed you'd posted that as your opinion. You must admit, saying "It is sweet and appropriate to die for your country" could be construed as opinion when not presented as something other than opinion.

What's the difference? The latter has tanks?

The Marines think they're better than the Army, the Army think they're better than the Marines, they both think they're better than the Navy and they ignore the Air Force.

Highly unlikely, I know. But still a possibility. One that I personally object to.
If you were in a non-combat position and you were 'instructed' to go into the line it'd probably be a good idea cause your Unit is obviously 'in the shitter'.
At that point the enemy wont have a problem trying to kill you.

I would defend myself, but I would never defend myself in a way that would risk the life of my attacker. I seriously doubt I could kill with my bare hands....
Elbow to the nose. *Nods*
What's the difference? The latter has tanks?

Lamingtons, the Cavalry has Lamingtons.
Arty is where it is at anyways.:cool:
The Marines think they're better than the Army, the Army think they're better than the Marines, they both think they're better than the Navy and they ignore the Air Force.
The Air Force neglects noone, they'll bobmb anyone irrespective of which side it is.

AWOL? Did you screw the pooch and go AWOL? Noone just walks out on a contract with uncle sam.

Coward.

Screw off. You can leave before you sign the contract you sign before going into boot camp. I got that in writing from my recruiter, incase I found out the army wasn't for me.

It wasn't, so i left according to their rules. I didn't go awol. You can sod off.