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W00t for Hezbollah, in a way, of course.

Nasrallah sorry for scale of war

Nasrallah ordered the capture of the soldiers on 12 July
Hezbollah chief Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah has said he would not have ordered the capture of two Israeli soldiers if he had known it would lead to such a war.

"Had we known that the kidnapping of the soldiers would have led to this, we would definitely not have done it," he said in an interview on Lebanese TV.

He added that neither side was "heading towards a second round" of fighting.

More than 1,000 Lebanese died in the 34-day conflict which left much of southern Lebanon in ruins.

The Israeli offensive began after two Israeli soldiers were seized during a cross border raid by Hezbollah militants on 12 July.

Annan visit

"We did not think that there was a 1% chance that the kidnapping would lead to a war of this scale and magnitude," Sheikh Nasrallah said.

"Now you ask me if this was 11 July and there was a 1% chance that the kidnapping would lead to a war like the one that has taken place, would you go ahead with the kidnapping?

"I would say no, definitely not, for humanitarian, moral, social, security, military and political reasons.


Many thousands have been left homeless by the offensive
"Neither I, Hezbollah, prisoners in Israeli jails and nor the families of the prisoners would accept it."

Sheikh Nasrallah was speaking on the eve of a visit to Beirut by United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan to discuss the expanded UN peacekeeping force to be deployed in southern Lebanon.

A force of 15,000 soldiers, 7,000 of them from European Union states, will be deployed to maintain the fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah.

The UN hopes to have some of the troops on the ground within a week, although the foreign minister of Finland - which currently holds the EU presidency - has said it will be two to three months before the whole force is deployed.

The force will be led by France until February, at which time Italy will take command.

Speaking in Brussels on Friday, Mr Annan said the plan would only work if the enlarged UN force, called Unifil 2, was "strong, credible and robust".

Mr Annan said the force offered the possibility of a "durable ceasefire and long-term solution" to the Middle East crisis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5291420.stm

((Don't know if there is a thread on this already?))

Why is admitting to being idiots for not expecting Israel go to postal on them equal a W00t. Go away Troll

And as for the font of the headlines.

People do not feed this troll!

I fail to see how this is a troll.

I never expected for Hezbollah to say this it is very strange if you ask me

I fail to see how this is a troll.

Anyone even a quarter of a brain would know that putting a 'congrates Hezabollah' thread will piss off a ton of people.

That and putting something in the Max font is annoying.

I just think that Hezbollah has finally realized that Israel is not going to take anymore of their shit.

Come on, it was a hell of a surprise to hear Hezbollah - or any terrorist group - interacting with reality. Only good thing to come out of the Israeli attack; 'congratulations' is pushing it, but it's a sign that they're not totally deluded, at least.

It is interesting to note that the scale of Israel's counter-attack is the only reason why such a statement was made.
Had Israel done as OTHER nations think that they should have, the situation would have continued with Hezbollah continuously kidnapping soldiers and citizens just to free CRIMINALS from prison so that the CRIMINALS can go back to their CRIMINAL behaviour.

I applaud Israel and honestly think they should have dropped a nuke on them.
"Kidnap an Israeli citizen? Get NUKED!" ought to be an official response.

I just think that Hezbollah has finally realized that Israel is not going to take anymore of their shit.

Isreal has been taking there shit?

Anyone even a quarter of a brain would know that putting a 'congrates Hezabollah' thread will piss off a ton of people.

That and putting something in the Max font is annoying.

That does not nessisarly qualify someone as a troll ... I dont see anything outright trolling.

Though I do see people trying to push PC just because some peoples sensibilities are hurt

Cthulhu-Mythos;11604567']It is interesting to note that the scale of Israel's counter-attack is the only reason why such a statement was made.
Had Israel done as OTHER nations think that they should have, the situation would have continued with Hezbollah continuously kidnapping soldiers and citizens just to free CRIMINALS from prison so that the CRIMINALS can go back to their CRIMINAL behaviour.

I applaud Israel and honestly think they should have dropped a nuke on them.
"Kidnap an Israeli citizen? Get NUKED!" ought to be an official response.

yeah those towel heads aren’t capable of diplomacy so we should just burn there cities to the ground :rolleyes:

I never expected for Hezbollah to say this it is very strange if you ask me
Well, Hezbollah has shown a talent for manipulating public opinion before. By saying that they didn't want to bring down such a violent response in southern Lebanon, they further cement the goodwill they've been building in the area and make Isreal look like an unpredictable aggressor. Given the defenses Hezbollah had in place when Isreal attacked, as well as the history of conflict between the two groups, I doubt Hezbollah really underestimated the effect of the kidnappings.

Cthulhu-Mythos;11604567']Had Israel done as OTHER nations think that they should have, the situation would have continued with Hezbollah continuously kidnapping soldiers and citizens just to free CRIMINALS from prison so that the CRIMINALS can go back to their CRIMINAL behaviour.

Who says the Hezbollah wanted inmates to be released?

Oh please, this is a cheap publicity stunt.

"Really, we only meant for a few people to die, honest! Aren't we all sweet and cuddly? Not like that dastardly Israel, eh?"

Oh please, this is a cheap publicity stunt.

"Really, we only meant for a few people to die, honest! Aren't we all sweet and cuddly? Not like that dastardly Israel, eh?"

Agreed.

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P-u-b-l-i-c-i-t-y s-t-u-n-t

and if this thread is anything to judge it by, it's working.

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Quite possibly (probably?), but... it's a weird admission to make. It's saying they didn't forsee this, the response wasn't predicted, and the force of it was so great that if they had known, they wouldn't have set it off.

I agree the statement's designed to be used in part of their PR war, but it's a very weak couple of lines compared to their usual robustness.

Oh please, this is a cheap publicity stunt.

"Really, we only meant for a few people to die, honest! Aren't we all sweet and cuddly? Not like that dastardly Israel, eh?"

Yep. Israel should go after them again, knock them around, make fun of Nasrallah's mother and sister, and in general kill more of his guys. Maybe his family too? Dirty war.

Yep. Israel should go after them again, knock them around, make fun of Nasrallah's mother and sister, and in general kill more of his guys. Maybe his family too? Dirty war.

Hey look it's OD's troll acount. Shouldn't you be banned for this or something?

Wait a minute -

1.) I'm not wholly congratulating Hezbollah. The phrase "in a way" signifies I'm just congratulating Hezbollah's maturity.

2.) I don't consider this troll either. I don't intend/plan be a troll nor do I want to be one. The font size only replicates what was on BBC.co.uk.

3.) Calm down, this is a discussion. One thread that is unusual can't just be criticized just because it doesn't reflect the majority opinion on Hezbollah. Rather, take this thread as a way to open up discussions, ideas, and knowledge.

Quite possibly (probably?), but... it's a weird admission to make. It's saying they didn't forsee this, the response wasn't predicted, and the force of it was so great that if they had known, they wouldn't have set it off.

I agree the statement's designed to be used in part of their PR war, but it's a very weak couple of lines compared to their usual robustness.

They also released two captured journalists, without their demands being met. It very well may be a publicity stunt, but perhaps Israel's attack made them weary of war. is it possible that they are under new leadership?

Quite possibly (probably?), but... it's a weird admission to make. It's saying they didn't forsee this, the response wasn't predicted, and the force of it was so great that if they had known, they wouldn't have set it off.

I agree the statement's designed to be used in part of their PR war, but it's a very weak couple of lines compared to their usual robustness.
It plays on the sympathies of the international community by making Isreal seem to be acting so incredibly aggressive in their retaliation that even Hezbollah didn't see it coming. Also, it gives the impression that Hezbollah hadn't been attempting to provoke an Isreali response or trying to draw them into a confrontation, shifting blame for the conflict farther onto Isreal's actions and away from Hezbollah.

Hey look it's OD's troll acount. Shouldn't you be banned for this or something?
*cough*that's DesignatedMarksman's account*cough*

*cough*that's DesignatedMarksman's account*cough*

Ok now i'm confused.

Ok now i'm confused.

Check his sig and ask yourself who's #1 in the Jew Crew.

Nasrallah must be a fool. Israel is aggressive, he should now that.

It plays on the sympathies of the international community by making Isreal seem to be acting so incredibly aggressive in their retaliation that even Hezbollah didn't see it coming. Also, it gives the impression that Hezbollah hadn't been attempting to provoke an Isreali response or trying to draw them into a confrontation, shifting blame for the conflict farther onto Isreal's actions and away from Hezbollah.


Well, that's one interpretation, very true. Being honest, the first thing I thought when I heard the statement was that it was how weak it made them look; 'we misjudged' 'the misjudgement hurt so much we wouldn't do it again if we could go back'. Considering their usual bombast, it's a striking difference.

Ok now i'm confused.

Highlight the whole post :)

Check his sig and ask yourself who's #1 in the Jew Crew.

Yeah, i'm not confused about that. I am confused about why DM would post in another acount and say he is OD's troll?

Yeah, i'm not confused about that. I am confused about why DM would post in another acount and say he is OD's troll?

Maybe he's a little bitch? That explains ID theft on other forums, (said the newbie).

That's like saying "If we had known the Americans would bomb Hiroshima, we wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor" or "I wouldn't have tried to rob that house I knew the owner was armed"...

It doesn't excuse the fact that you were the one who started it in the first place; Hezballah captured those two soliders and started the war...they were the aggressors, and the war is entirely their fault. Not only that, but they were the ones who refused to return the soldiers immediately...they are entirely in the wrong. Kidnapping isn't acceptable, plain and simple.

That's like saying "If we had known the Americans would bomb Hiroshima, we wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor" or "I wouldn't have tried to rob that house I knew the owner was armed"...

It doesn't excuse the fact that you were the one who started it in the first place; Hezballah captured those two soliders and started the war...they were the aggressors, and the war is entirely their fault. Not only that, but they were the ones who refused to return the soldiers immediately...they are entirely in the wrong. Kidnapping isn't acceptable, plain and simple.

Yes... we know... But admitting weakness and unpreparedness is a new departure for Hezbollah; can you think of other terrorists issuing a similar statement recently? Just remains to see how it'll play out.

Well, that's one interpretation, very true. Being honest, the first thing I thought when I heard the statement was that it was how weak it made them look; 'we misjudged' 'the misjudgement hurt so much we wouldn't do it again if we could go back'. Considering their usual bombast, it's a striking difference.

It's an odd strategy, but one that works well when you consider the sympathy the international community has for Lebanon already. By playing on that sympathy in a way that makes Hezbollah seem less like a terrorist front and more like a reasonable political actor, Nasrallah is working on a strategy of making weakness into a strength. I'm a little surprised to see this kind of strategy from Hezbollah myself, but it it does capitalize on Isreal's offensive much better than proclamations of victory or displays of joy at conflict.

Remember, Hezbollah is active in Lebanon's government as a party. It has something to lose by appearing to care for nothing more than bloodshed, and a lot to gain by claiming to care for the well-being of Lebanon and its people.

It's an odd strategy, but one that works well when you consider the sympathy the international community has for Lebanon already. By playing on that sympathy in a way that makes Hezbollah seem less like a terrorist front and more like a reasonable political actor, Nasrallah is working on a strategy of making weakness into a strength. I'm a little surprised to see this kind of strategy from Hezbollah myself, but it it does capitalize on Isreal's offensive much better than proclamations of victory or displays of joy at conflict.

You're probably right, that could well be the intent; the only other explanation that makes sense is that it's a mistake, he didn't mean to say that, or say it _like_ that. I think it remains to be seen how well the ploy works, though. The selling point of the story could just as easily be the admission of weakness, depends on how it's handled.

Cthulhu-Mythos;11604567']
I applaud Israel and honestly think they should have dropped a nuke on them.
"Kidnap an Israeli citizen? Get NUKED!" ought to be an official response.

This young generation tend to think of nuclear arms as firecrackers.

Chances are not even Israel wants to attempt that option - fallout in such a small geographical area would end up killing more Israelis than Hezz combatants.

Besides, this is not regular organized warfare. There are no large concentration of enemy forces, supply dumps or anything worth using a nuclear weapon on. The only Israeli is going to get is bad press, withdraw of (overt) US support and a LOT of fallout (radioactive and political).

Why is admitting to being idiots for not expecting Israel go to postal on them equal a W00t. Go away Troll

And as for the font of the headlines.

People do not feed this troll!

*feeds troll*

FYI Hizbollah as a whole isn't regarded as a terrorist organization by vast majority of nations.

I think the only exceptions are USA, Canada and Israel.

The rest consider at best/worst, depending on your viewpoint, only parts of it to be terrorist groups, and for example Russia doesn't regard Hizbollah as a terrorist group at all.