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http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/rep-harris-comments-on-religion-draw/20060826194909990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

This should be a somewhat interesting article, since most people on NS General deny the existence of a Christian Taliban in the United States, much less downplay its threat to all the freedoms that defined the country from inception in comparison to violent Jihadists.

Keep in mind this is the same Katherine Harris who was presiding Florida Secretary of State that hemmed and hawed over the election counts during the 2000 Presidential Campaign, that was a contributing factor in George W. "God told me He wanted me to be President" Bush being elected into office and protecting us from all those 3b1l m0zl3mz trying to kill us all and convert us to Islam ever since.

Just goes to show that just because they don't kill people it doesn't automatically make them harmless. It just means they haven't consolidated power to the point where they can yet.

I think someone already made a thread about this...

the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.
Praise JESUS!

welcome back to the 1600s

Look on the bright side: Now she'll never, ever see the Senate from the inside.

Let's hope her and Coulter don't have a lesbian sex orgy. That would be too ironic to be funny!

Let's hope her and Coulter don't have a lesbian sex orgy. That would be too ironic to be funny!

Jury's still our on Coulter's gender identity...

http://www.rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg

I submit the photographic evidence to you.

I love how Harris said that God chooses our leaders while she's 40 points down in the polls--and no, that is not a typo. She's in Alan Keyes territory, and that's saying something since she's a local and all. That tells me either a) God hates her or b) God's gonna rig the voting machines for her in November.

I love how Harris said that God chooses our leaders while she's 40 points down in the polls--and no, that is not a typo. She's in Alan Keyes territory, and that's saying something since she's a local and all. That tells me either a) God hates her or b) God's gonna rig the voting machines for her in November.

I'll take b) for 200 (thousand - votes, even), Alex.

Jury's still our on Coulter's gender identity...

http://www.rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg

I submit the photographic evidence to you.

The truth is out there...

Obviously Ms. Harris forgets that America fought its revolution because we were tired of the greedy assholes that were "chosen by God" to tax the hell out of us and cheat us out of fair competition on the market...

Sigh...

I'll take b) for 200 (thousand - votes, even), Alex.

I've wondered what level of vote fraud it would take to get Americans into the streets calling bullshit on the process. I do believe this one would do it. South Florida might well secede if Katherine Harris were able to pull such an "upset." And to all those who would call me a conspiracy theorist, I want to say right now that I doubt it'll actually happen. Nelson will hold his seat easily.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/rep-harris-comments-on-religion-draw/20060826194909990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

This should be a somewhat interesting article, since most people on NS General deny the existence of a Christian Taliban in the United States, much less downplay its threat to all the freedoms that defined the country from inception in comparison to violent Jihadists.
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Yes, of course. Someone who feels that the Christian God has a place in US politics (right or wrong, argue somewhere else, my personal opinion is that it is wrong) is most certainly the moral equivalent of the rapes, murders, hangings from soccor goal posts that is/was going on under the real taliban.

I don't believe I have read anything as innately stupid as this comparison.

Puritannical demagogues along the lines of the Taleban, are not unique to Islam.

I don't even understand how a person like this even gets involved in politics. That article points to the fact that she is corrupt (accepted a bribe), dogmatic (face it, she is) and very un-photogenic (that picture of her alone is enough to not vote for her). When this has happened in the past, we get guys like Hitler. As a floridian, I intend to cast my vote far away from this evil bitch, and I hope that one day she looks in the mirror without wearing her beer goggles. :D

Yes, of course. Someone who feels that the Christian God has a place in US politics (right or wrong, argue somewhere else, my personal opinion is that it is wrong) is most certainly the moral equivalent of the rapes, murders, hangings from soccor goal posts that is/was going on under the real taliban.

I don't believe I have read anything as innately stupid as this comparison.

Then try reading your own post again. Do you really think there's a difference in kind between the Taliban and the far Christian right in this country? The difference is only in the amount of power the various groups wield.

She has a very strange concept of how democracy works. I could have sworn that the voters are the ones who chose their leaders, not God.

She has a very strange concept of how democracy works. I could have sworn that the voters are the ones who chose their leaders, not God.
Perhaps God 'touches' voters and makes them vote Republican.

She has a very strange concept of how democracy works. I could have sworn that the voters are the ones who chose their leaders, not God.Maybe God is supposed to zap us with his holy mind ray.

I wish it was more obvious how harmful it is to try to legislate religion. Religious laws are laws that are accepted on faith. When one goes about writing them into civil law, the faith aspect of them is destroyed and you wind up with a society of religious automatons, people going through the motions of believing without actually believing anything. Similarly, when one takes civil laws and makes them into religious laws, the idea is that people are supposed to accept them based on faith, resulting in a law that is unenforcible, undermining the power of the legislature.

The only way to maintain the faith associated with religious law is to propogate it through education, not legislation, and no, I'm not talking about institutionalized education either. I'm talking about one to one dialogues that connect people to the same idea.

Perhaps God 'touches' voters and makes them vote Republican.

Maybe God is supposed to zap us with his holy mind ray.

I'm not sure which is worse, God 'touching' me or God zapping me.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/rep-harris-comments-on-religion-draw/20060826194909990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

This should be a somewhat interesting article, since most people on NS General deny the existence of a Christian Taliban in the United States, much less downplay its threat to all the freedoms that defined the country from inception in comparison to violent Jihadists.

Keep in mind this is the same Katherine Harris who was presiding Florida Secretary of State that hemmed and hawed over the election counts during the 2000 Presidential Campaign, that was a contributing factor in George W. "God told me He wanted me to be President" Bush being elected into office and protecting us from all those 3b1l m0zl3mz trying to kill us all and convert us to Islam ever since.

Just goes to show that just because they don't kill people it doesn't automatically make them harmless. It just means they haven't consolidated power to the point where they can yet.

Yer gonna have a hard time finding Christians (even the radicals) beheading people, forcing the women to wear aweful clothes, and enslaving people.

Katherine Harris is awesome.

Yer gonna have a hard time finding Christians (even the radicals) beheading people, forcing the women to wear aweful clothes, and enslaving people.

I'll agree about the other points, but I often see a few Christian women in my local Walmart dressed something, but not exactly like this. The people in this picture are Amish, but the people I see aren't Amish, since I see them get out of or into cars. I usually see three or four of them every time I go there, although that's only about three times a month.

http://pictures.galenfrysinger.com/us/amish03.jpg

Anyway, I think that Harris is a nutjob. The idea that a country's "rulers" (which implies something completely different from the idea of representative government) are chosen by God went out of style quite some time ago.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/rep-harris-comments-on-religion-draw/20060826194909990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

This should be a somewhat interesting article, since most people on NS General deny the existence of a Christian Taliban in the United States, much less downplay its threat to all the freedoms that defined the country from inception in comparison to violent Jihadists.
Even though Harris is pure crap, the Taliban make her look moderate. She may believe herself to have divine right to rule, but she'll never enforce it.

Just goes to show that just because they don't kill people it doesn't automatically make them harmless. It just means they haven't consolidated power to the point where they can yet.
Yet? It's never going to happen. She'll get fucked at the polls for these comments.

Then try reading your own post again. Do you really think there's a difference in kind between the Taliban and the far Christian right in this country? The difference is only in the amount of power the various groups wield.
In terms of rhetoric the only parallel seems to be Fred Phelps' personal cult. Even they are laughable rather than frightening. The Christian far right in America is a complete joke, not only small, but also disarmed.

In terms of rhetoric the only parallel seems to be Fred Phelps' personal cult. Even they are laughable rather than frightening. The Christian far right in America is a complete joke, not only small, but also disarmed.
I suggest you spend some time reading the stuff that comes out of Focus on the Family or the American Family Association or any of the other myriad "family" organizations on the far right. They're all about the subjugation of women and controlling who gets to have sex and when. They'd roll back the clock on women's rights in a heartbeat, and they've already had some major success in terms of abortion and birth control access restrictions.

I'll agree about the other points, but I often see a few Christian women in my local Walmart dressed something, but not exactly like this. The people in this picture are Amish, but the people I see aren't Amish, since I see them get out of or into cars. I usually see three or four of them every time I go there, although that's only about three times a month.


Spelling will probably be off on this one, but they're probably Menonites.

I suggest you spend some time reading the stuff that comes out of Focus on the Family or the American Family Association or any of the other myriad "family" organizations on the far right. They're all about the subjugation of women and controlling who gets to have sex and when. They'd roll back the clock on women's rights in a heartbeat, and they've already had some major success in terms of abortion and birth control access restrictions.
This is what I mean, the US Christian right wants to limit a few sexual freedoms, but I remember how the Taliban banned just about everything.

I don't see the US right having much success either. Abortion is still among the most liberal in the world, opposition to gay marriage will be soon as extinct as oppostion to interracial marriage and even most conservatives seem to ridicule teaching "creationism" as science.

Comparing them to the Taliban is more wishful thinking than logic. There are many things more worthy of concern in the world than the American Christian right.

This is what I mean, the US Christian right wants to limit a few sexual freedoms, but I remember how the Taliban banned just about everything.

I don't see the US right having much success either. Abortion is still among the most liberal in the world, opposition to gay marriage will be soon as extinct as oppostion to interracial marriage and even most conservatives seem to ridicule teaching "creationism" as science.

Comparing them to the Taliban is more wishful thinking than logic. There are many things more worthy of concern in the world than the American Christian right.

The Taliban got that extreme because there was no one to check them, so the danger that the christian right poses isn't as imminent--and no one here has suggested it is--but it is certainly of the same type, and considering that they currently hold power disproportionate to their numbers, there is certainly reason to worry.

Spelling will probably be off on this one, but they're probably Menonites.

Quite possibly. Now that I look it up it seems that some Mennonite groups don't have restrictions on technology. I knew there were Amish in the area (I buy butter from them), but I didn't know there were Mennonites.

This is what I mean, the US Christian right wants to limit a few sexual freedoms, but I remember how the Taliban banned just about everything.

I don't see the US right having much success either. Abortion is still among the most liberal in the world, opposition to gay marriage will be soon as extinct as oppostion to interracial marriage and even most conservatives seem to ridicule teaching "creationism" as science.

Comparing them to the Taliban is more wishful thinking than logic. There are many things more worthy of concern in the world than the American Christian right.

You don't think that if the Christian right got power that they wouldn't try to turn back the history clock a good 50 years?

This is what I mean, the US Christian right wants to limit a few sexual freedoms, but I remember how the Taliban banned just about everything.

They also want to limit how much gay people can be considered human beings in terms of marriage, adoption, and partnership benefits. Oh yes, and they also want to keep you from dying (Terri Schiavo, anyone?) unless you happen to be a convicted minority criminal or you're about to be shipped off to the Middle East.

I don't see the US right having much success either. Abortion is still among the most liberal in the world, opposition to gay marriage will be soon as extinct as oppostion to interracial marriage and even most conservatives seem to ridicule teaching "creationism" as science.

They managed to elect Shrub to the White House and that's a pretty damn frightening success. Faith Based Initiative (and please list a non-WASP religion that actually gets any benefit from that) and the Defense of Marriage Amendment are two of the most blatant examples of how they have a direct access to the nation's government most people can't even imagine exists.

Comparing them to the Taliban is more wishful thinking than logic. There are many things more worthy of concern in the world than the American Christian right.

It's because you're ignoring the fact that the Real Taliban had absolute unchallenged control of Afghanistan for several years while the Christian Taliban are considerably restricted by established laws of the country. Of course it just means they're trying to plant more sympathetic toadies into positions of power to slowly change that. If you give the Christian Right carte blanche control of the United States I'd like to have someone try and allege that they won't be just as repressive and brutal as the Taliban.

They managed to elect Shrub to the White House and that's a pretty damn frightening success. Faith Based Initiative (and please list a non-WASP religion that actually gets any benefit from that) and the Defense of Marriage Amendment are two of the most blatant examples of how they have a direct access to the nation's government most people can't even imagine exists.


There might be a few Catholic charities that benefit if I'm to play devils advocate.

There might be a few Catholic charities that benefit if I'm to play devils advocate.

Maybe. But overall, you won't find any non-Judeo/Christian religious organization that actually gets money from Faith-Based Initiative at the very least.

They also want to limit how much gay people can be considered human beings in terms of marriage, adoption, and partnership benefits. And are quite successful at it at the state level, at least among Bible-belt states.

I'd like to have someone try and allege that they won't be just as repressive and brutal as the Taliban.Just take a look at some of the private rehabilitation camps for gays and "rebellious" teens they run. If you belong to one of the "sinful" groups, you are of Satan and will be treated accordingly.

Yer gonna have a hard time finding Christians (even the radicals) beheading people, forcing the women to wear aweful clothes, and enslaving people.

Katherine Harris is awesome.
No, the radical ones are just blowing up health care facilities, causing the Oklahoma bombing, stripping away civil rights, and attempting to bring back the electric chair. They'd be lopping heads off and enslaving people if they didn't hate getting their hands dirty.

(and please list a non-WASP religion that actually gets any benefit from that)


WASP stands for White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Anything other than Protestant would be technically "non-WASP"

You don't think that if the Christian right got power that they wouldn't try to turn back the history clock a good 50 years?
I'm pretty sure they would if they could. By bashing them, we take care of the 'could'.

You don't think that if the Christian right got power that they wouldn't try to turn back the history clock a good 50 years?

Call it a hunch, but I think they'd be just fine turning it back 22 years.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/rep-harris-comments-on-religion-draw/20060826194909990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

This should be a somewhat interesting article, since most people on NS General deny the existence of a Christian Taliban in the United States, much less downplay its threat to all the freedoms that defined the country from inception in comparison to violent Jihadists.

Keep in mind this is the same Katherine Harris who was presiding Florida Secretary of State that hemmed and hawed over the election counts during the 2000 Presidential Campaign, that was a contributing factor in George W. "God told me He wanted me to be President" Bush being elected into office and protecting us from all those 3b1l m0zl3mz trying to kill us all and convert us to Islam ever since.

Just goes to show that just because they don't kill people it doesn't automatically make them harmless. It just means they haven't consolidated power to the point where they can yet.


people deny a christian taliban in the united states because the government doesn't blow up statues of buddha. and they don't try and execute people for being apostates.

not because of your article.

people deny a christian taliban in the united states because the government doesn't blow up statues of buddha. and they don't try and execute people for being apostates.

not because of your article.

A christian taliban wannabe then. They don't have the power to get away with it yet. Something they're trying their darndest to change.

A christian taliban wannabe then. They don't have the power to get away with it yet. Something they're trying their darndest to change.

Sure, Phelps and crew would do some horrendous things if they were ever put in charge.

Does anyone honestly think that would happen? Even the remotest chance?

What was everyone saying in that thread "Is militant islam a threat to the western world?" Oh yea, it was boiling down to it not being a credible threat because they didn't have the means.

These same people are saying that the "christian taliban" are an imminent threat.



I think the Godwin rule should be expanded to include taliban comparisons.

They also want to limit how much gay people can be considered human beings in terms of marriage, adoption, and partnership benefits. Oh yes, and they also want to keep you from dying (Terri Schiavo, anyone?) unless you happen to be a convicted minority criminal or you're about to be shipped off to the Middle East.
Well, sex is always on the mind of the right-wing Christian, so everything to do with 'gay' would come under that. Comparison of right-wing Christian ideals on gay rights to Taliban ideals on gay rights is ummm, facetious.

They managed to elect Shrub to the White House and that's a pretty damn frightening success. Faith Based Initiative (and please list a non-WASP religion that actually gets any benefit from that) and the Defense of Marriage Amendment are two of the most blatant examples of how they have a direct access to the nation's government most people can't even imagine exists.
Well, most of Bush's support has little to do with the Christian right. I also don't see how his religious based reforms (that you list) are anything like the scale of the Taliban's reforms.

It's because you're ignoring the fact that the Real Taliban had absolute unchallenged control of Afghanistan for several years while the Christian Taliban are considerably restricted by established laws of the country.
And will always be as such.

Of course it just means they're trying to plant more sympathetic toadies into positions of power to slowly change that.
I think they're coming close to their limit on this one, and they're badly losing their public image, if it ever was good.

If you give the Christian Right carte blanche control of the United States I'd like to have someone try and allege that they won't be just as repressive and brutal as the Taliban.
Neither of us has any proof either way. Though I can't imagine them shooting you in the head for listening to music or watching football on TV.

But the important thing to remember is that the Christian Right will never have much control. The Taliban took power by armed revolution, which the Christian Right appears to be unarmed and not very militant.

The Taliban got that extreme because there was no one to check them, so the danger that the christian right poses isn't as imminent--and no one here has suggested it is--but it is certainly of the same type, and considering that they currently hold power disproportionate to their numbers, there is certainly reason to worry.
Of course it's of the same type. they currently hold power disproportionate to their numbers, which will cause everyone else to be pissed of at them so much that they will be electorally neutered. You yourself see what's happening to Harris in your state!

Maybe. But overall, you won't find any non-Judeo/Christian religious organization that actually gets money from Faith-Based Initiative at the very least.
Maybe some Muslims do, but would that be any better? No, it wouldn't.