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Leading Hizb Allah

Portu Cale MK3
27-08-2006, 16:40
Over the past weeks we have seen lots of comments regarding the (questionable) tactics employed by Hizb Allah fighting Israel.
Now, considering the material desiquilibrium of both forces, if YOU were a leader of Hizb Allah, what would you do to insure survival, and maximum casualties for the IDF?

I mean, would you fight honorable, charging a Merkava with your AK47 in open field?

Or would you cover your rocket launcher with babies?

I am just curious how people think Hizb Allah should have fought.
Warta Endor
27-08-2006, 16:41
Neither.

I would do exactly like they fought: hit and run, timers on the rocket instalations and most of all: don't engage in an open fight.
New Burmesia
27-08-2006, 16:44
"Not at all" would be the best answer, but that's my utopian dream, I suppose...
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 16:46
Yalla Ya Nasrallah
We will screw you enshallah
And send you back to Alaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
With all the hezzbolah!

It's already been sentenced from Above, that this is your end

:)

Israeli Propaganda is the best.
Safalra
27-08-2006, 16:46
I am just curious how people think Hizb Allah should have fought.
Personally I'm a fan of really unusual weapons in guerilla warfare. Therefore, they should have used torpedoes - not that normal type you can see coming though; these torpedoes would be attached to heavy objects, dropped from fishing boats (before the Israeli navy arrived off the coast) to sink to the bottom of the sea, and then after a time delay they would detach from the heavy object and head towards any silhouette above them (hopefully an Israeli navy ship and not some rescue ship).
Warta Endor
27-08-2006, 16:47
That's a real song? :eek:

I like it :p
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 16:50
Over the past weeks we have seen lots of comments regarding the (questionable) tactics employed by Hizb Allah fighting Israel.
Now, considering the material desiquilibrium of both forces, if YOU were a leader of Hizb Allah, what would you do to insure survival, and maximum casualties for the IDF?

I mean, would you fight honorable, charging a Merkava with your AK47 in open field?

Or would you cover your rocket launcher with babies?

I am just curious how people think Hizb Allah should have fought.

The only real success Hezbollah had was using METIS-M and ancient TOW rockets on Israeli tanks and dug in IDF troops. That's where most of the casualties came from. Noone really expected them to have the Metis-Ms or use them against dug in troops. They worked relatively well on both, except for the newest Merkavas which are bulletproof.
Ifreann
27-08-2006, 16:56
I tihnk guerrilla warfare is the way to go when fighting a superior foe. And open battle would be disasterous, but lobbing a few rockets then running to the hills would definately work.
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 17:02
That's a real song? :eek:

I like it :p

Yeah, it is.

Want the link?
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 17:04
I tihnk guerrilla warfare is the way to go when fighting a superior foe. And open battle would be disasterous, but lobbing a few rockets then running to the hills would definately work.

Well, they usually end up lobbing rockets at Haifa..or some other city. That's terrorism, not guerrilla warfare.
Ifreann
27-08-2006, 17:06
Well, they usually end up lobbing rockets at Haifa..or some other city.

Maybe they're thinking that the Israelis will see that continuing fighting them will lead to more civilian casualties. Which is the exact opposite of the situation, attacking civilians will only make the Israelis angrier.
Ashmoria
27-08-2006, 17:19
i could think of other tactics but i cant imagine being more successful than hezbollah was in this last conflict.

they lost few men, killed a few israelis, got the israelis to kill a bunch of civilians but faced none of the blame for it. they are now the heros of the arab and islamic world.

how could they have ever had a better outcome for them?
Pythagorians
27-08-2006, 17:34
i could think of other tactics but i cant imagine being more successful than hezbollah was in this last conflict.

they lost few men, killed a few israelis, got the israelis to kill a bunch of civilians but faced none of the blame for it. they are now the heros of the arab and islamic world.

how could they have ever had a better outcome for them?

Their stated mandate was fighting for the Lebanese people -- not fighting for themselves. As such it was a huge failure. The best outcome for Lebanon would be an open trade agreement with Israel.
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 17:55
Their stated mandate was fighting for the Lebanese people -- not fighting for themselves. As such it was a huge failure. The best outcome for Lebanon would be an open trade agreement with Israel.


They're sure doing a good job of helping the lebanese people. Pissing off a large regional power with a petty raid, getting tons of civilians killed, losing a lot of guys and equipment......
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 17:56
Maybe they're thinking that the Israelis will see that continuing fighting them will lead to more civilian casualties. Which is the exact opposite of the situation, attacking civilians will only make the Israelis angrier.

The Israelis are a tenacious bunch.
DHomme
27-08-2006, 18:02
how could they have ever had a better outcome for them?

A UN ceasefire which doesn't disarm them maybe.
Ashmoria
27-08-2006, 18:02
Their stated mandate was fighting for the Lebanese people -- not fighting for themselves. As such it was a huge failure. The best outcome for Lebanon would be an open trade agreement with Israel.

if they had been fighting for the lebanese people they never would have started the fight. every death in lebanon is their fault.

their mandate is the destruction of the state of israel. they cant possibly do that with their piddlyshit missiles but they made great strides anyway by eroding world support for israel.
New Stalinberg
27-08-2006, 18:04
Over the past weeks we have seen lots of comments regarding the (questionable) tactics employed by Hizb Allah fighting Israel.
Now, considering the material desiquilibrium of both forces, if YOU were a leader of Hizb Allah, what would you do to insure survival, and maximum casualties for the IDF?

I mean, would you fight honorable, charging a Merkava with your AK47 in open field?

Or would you cover your rocket launcher with babies?

I am just curious how people think Hizb Allah should have fought.

They use M16s. They're no rag-tag force that we were all expecting them to be.

They are a well disciplined, well trained, army.

You're question is silly. I don't think any people on this forum are high ranking military officers.
Ashmoria
27-08-2006, 18:04
A UN ceasefire which doesn't disarm them maybe.

there was already one of those, it didnt work why should this one?

IF hezbollah gets disarmed, it will indeed be a huge defeat for them.
Argylle-Sutherland
27-08-2006, 18:17
These freedom fighters from Lebanon have responded in the only way possible because the occupation has defined the resistance.
Ashmoria
27-08-2006, 18:26
These freedom fighters from Lebanon have responded in the only way possible because the occupation has defined the resistance.

interesting point of view if a little inaccurate

israel hadnt occupied lebanon for a few years and the syrians finally left last year. there was no current occupation of lebanon. so what were they resisting?
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 19:18
These freedom fighters from Lebanon have responded in the only way possible because the occupation has defined the resistance.

Umm, the only real foreign presence in Lebanon would be the UN smurfs..israel left in 2000, syria shortly after.
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 19:21
These freedom fighters from Lebanon have responded in the only way possible because the occupation has defined the resistance.

Forgot to add, Freedom fighters my ass!
The SR
27-08-2006, 19:45
isreal still illegally occupies the shab'a farms area of lebanon.

hezzbollah will continue to have a military arm until this situation ceases
Harlesburg
28-08-2006, 07:51
Over the past weeks we have seen lots of comments regarding the (questionable) tactics employed by Hizb Allah fighting Israel.
Now, considering the material desiquilibrium of both forces, if YOU were a leader of Hizb Allah, what would you do to insure survival, and maximum casualties for the IDF?

I mean, would you fight honorable, charging a Merkava with your AK47 in open field?

Or would you cover your rocket launcher with babies?

I am just curious how people think Hizb Allah should have fought.
Babies???
Nope.
I wont share my tactics, i might need them for later.;)
[NS]Gotham City State
28-08-2006, 08:04
Cut back on the poorly aimed rockets, more guerilla fights against Israelis on Lebanese soil.

if they had been fighting for the lebanese people they never would have started the fight. every death in lebanon is their fault.

their mandate is the destruction of the state of israel. they cant possibly do that with their piddlyshit missiles but they made great strides anyway by eroding world support for israel.

Their mandate is to keep Israelis out of Lebanon, which is exactly what they're doing. The troops they abducted, humvee they blew up and tank they blew up which kicked all this off had all crossed the border into South Lebanon.
Hamilay
28-08-2006, 08:24
Gotham City State;11606562']Cut back on the poorly aimed rockets, more guerilla fights against Israelis on Lebanese soil.



Their mandate is to keep Israelis out of Lebanon, which is exactly what they're doing. The troops they abducted, humvee they blew up and tank they blew up which kicked all this off had all crossed the border into South Lebanon.
The Hezz militants went over the border to attack the Israeli troops...
[NS]Gotham City State
28-08-2006, 08:37
The Hezz militants went over the border to attack the Israeli troops...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

Not everyone agrees.