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So I generally like hugo chavez with his socialist reforms and such, but this is crap:Linky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060825/wl_mideast_afp/chinamideastconflict_060825100753)

BEIJING (AFP) - Visiting Venezuela President Hugo Chavez has denounced
Israel's recent attacks on Lebanon as "genocide," likening its action to war crimes committed by Germany's Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.
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"Israel often criticizes Hitler ... but they have done the same thing, perhaps even worse," Chavez told reporters Friday in a briefing during his six-day visit to China.

Denouncing the "fascist attitudes" of Israel, he said: "What has happened was a genocide. They must be brought in front of an international tribunal."

"Nobody should stay muted," he said.

The 34-day conflict in the Middle East came to an end on August 14 after a UN-brokered agreement for a cessation of hostilities in line with Security Council Resolution 1701.

Chavez said the resolution came late, but expressed his country's support for the
United Nations.

Caracas pulled the Venezuelan charge d'affaires out of Israel in early August to protest its operations inside Lebanon, with Chavez charging that Israel "had lost its mind".

Oh come on Hugo, like killing 1000 civillians is anything like mass exterminating a whole race.

Spoken like a person keen on currying favours with Iran methinks.

Spoken like a person keen on currying favours with Iran methinks.
Maybe if we just ignore him, he will stop.

Maybe if we just ignore him, he will stop.
But he is so profitable!

Maybe if we just ignore him, he will stop.

I say we have him executed

/pat robertson impression

To be fair. germany had 9-ish years, Israel had less than a month.

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I say we have him executed

/pat robertson impression
How about a deathmatch between Chavez and Pat?

Before you say Pat's too old, remember that he can leg press a ton!

Well, according to to the Patmeister himself.

His rhetoric is getting a little overblown these days; I support him most of the time, but he really needs to learn to be a tad bit more tactful and less exaggerating.

How about a deathmatch between Chavez and Pat?

Before you say Pat's too old, remember that he can leg press a ton!

Well, according to to the Patmeister himself.

God Almighty will weigh in on Pat's side, of course. Who would you bet on; godless commie or guy who talks to the Creator every day after breakfast?

God Almighty will weigh in on Pat's side, of course. Who would you bet on; godless commie or guy who talks to the Creator every day after breakfast?

Godless commie. Without hesitation.

Of course, Chávez does invoke God now and then, and he is no Communist, so I don't know.

So I generally like hugo chavez with his socialist reforms and such, but this is crap:Linky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060825/wl_mideast_afp/chinamideastconflict_060825100753)



Oh come on Hugo, like killing 1000 civillians is anything like mass exterminating a whole race.

well, Israel's actions do show some correlation to Hitler's quote, “Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.” They did try to demoralise the enemy by using terror and surprise. I'm not defending Hezbollah though because they did the same thing and it does not matter on what scale things were done... People died in the end and whether that is one or one thousand people it's still a tragedy.

Oh come on Hugo, like killing 1000 civillians is anything like mass exterminating a whole race.

Well it is the same/similar principle, on a much smaller scale I guess, but what would the Israeli government do if they were in a position to 'mass exterminate a whole race', I wonder...

God Almighty will weigh in on Pat's side, of course. Who would you bet on; godless commie or guy who talks to the Creator every day after breakfast?

Well they both sound insane, communist and religion-nut, so I would go for gettin the hell outta here and as far away from the Israel and her allies as possible. New Zealand sounds good...

Crazy people say crazy things at times.

Like this: Ireland's Zionist slurs like Iran, says Israel (http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/ire_1.html)

"If you don't support Zionism ipso facto you are actually saying, in the logical progression, we don't support the right of the Jewish people to have a state of their own, in their own ancestral homeland." :Raanan Gissin

Well it is the same/similar principle, on a much smaller scale I guess,

No, not at all. Israel was in an open, armed conflict and was targeting military assests. They were retaliating because of Hizbollah's attacks.

The Nazis rounded people up, destroyed their livlihoods, branded them, shipped them concentration camps, worked them to death or flat out executed them. And we have their own friggin documentation to prove it.

but what would the Israeli government do if they were in a position to 'mass exterminate a whole race', I wonder...

Has the Israeli government ever gone on record saying "We need to wipe out the Arabs"?

Honestly, Israel does do things in Gaza and the West Bank that deserve criticism, but lets not jump to such hyperbole. It demeans the victims of holocausts as well as what is happening in the Middle East.

Further proof that Chavez is a moron.

So I generally like hugo chavez with his socialist reforms and such, but this is crap:Linky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060825/wl_mideast_afp/chinamideastconflict_060825100753)



Oh come on Hugo, like killing 1000 civillians is anything like mass exterminating a whole race.

I hope you're being sarcastic, because the deaths of civilians on both sides (especially Lebanon) cannot be justifiable. Israel is stronger than Hezbollah and the Lebanese army combined, hell, it could have opened several other fronts if it were attacked by other neighboring countries (it proved this before), but what changed this? I believe the Israeli administration thought this was the opportunity to ones and for all to destroy Hezbollah, while at the same time getting the hearts and mind of voters. This rush, got the Israeli military with too much limitations (take Hezbollah forces behind the Litany river within certain days) and this hastily push was the result of Israeli military casualties. To destroy a whole country in order to weaken (not destroy) Hezbollah is not rational, because what about all the people that paid no mind to Hezbollah before these attacks? Israeli politicians and generals say that it was Hezbollah to blame for all the destruction, but try explaining that to the homeless Lebanese, the wounded Lebanese, to the family-less and worst try explaining that to the innocent dead who all suffered by American made and Israeli made shells and bombs. A rational person would have known that if a population is 'terrorized' any group that is seen fighting back the aggressors will be seen as 'liberators', regardless what another country might see of that group. Most people believe that Hezbollah's birth was Israel's own doing, for going in Lebanon in the early 80's. What has Israel won? The feeling of military might is gone and it emboldens its shaky neighbors who watched this closely surely. There was no rescue of the kidnapped Israeli soldiers (which was the whole reason as to why Israel went into Lebanon).

I hope you're being sarcastic, because the deaths of civilians on both sides (especially Lebanon) cannot be justifiable. Israel is stronger than Hezbollah and the Lebanese army combined, hell, it could have opened several other fronts if it were attacked by other neighboring countries (it proved this before), but what changed this? I believe the Israeli administration thought this was the opportunity to ones and for all to destroy Hezbollah, while at the same time getting the hearts and mind of voters. This rush, got the Israeli military with too much limitations (take Hezbollah forces behind the Litany river within certain days) and this hastily push was the result of Israeli military casualties. To destroy a whole country in order to weaken (not destroy) Hezbollah is not rational, because what about all the people that paid no mind to Hezbollah before these attacks? Israeli politicians and generals say that it was Hezbollah to blame for all the destruction, but try explaining that to the homeless Lebanese, the wounded Lebanese, to the family-less and worst try explaining that to the innocent dead who all suffered by American made and Israeli made shells and bombs. A rational person would have known that if a population is 'terrorized' any group that is seen fighting back the aggressors will be seen as 'liberators', regardless what another country might see of that group. Most people believe that Hezbollah's birth was Israel's own doing, for going in Lebanon in the early 80's. What has Israel won? The feeling of military might is gone and it emboldens its shaky neighbors who watched this closely surely. There was no rescue of the kidnapped Israeli soldiers (which was the whole reason as to why Israel went into Lebanon).

And thats even 100th as bad as Hitler... how?

I hate Chavez more than i hate Israel!

And thats even 100th as bad as Hitler... how?

It's not.

The two things are different kinds of evil. I don't think anyone can really afford to compare them.

Granted, Israel didn't try its hand at ethnic cleansing and genocide. Actually, the actions of Israel's army seems more of a fuck-up of tremendously epic proportions caused by retarded politicians and generals who thought playing bully with a smaller neighbour would score them brownie points with the electorate.

However, the big bully was very surprised when the diminutive skinbag it had chosen to shove around started kicking back. Hard. In the nuts.

So to save face the bully started punching around with their eyes closed, hurting innocent civilians in the process. Then the bully marched home saying it had landed a lot of good punches. They just didn't land on the little skinbag who had been kicking him in the nuts all that time.

Yeah, Chavez really talked out of his ass this time. I usually find his comments funny as hell, and possessing the quality of "saying out loud what everyone thinks secretly", but not this time. Hitler/Israel comparisons doesn't stand. That doesn't mean Isreal hasn't fucked up and done something extremely serious and condemnable, though.

That has to be the most ass backwards analysis I've seen yet of the situation. What was israel supposed to do in respone to Hezbolah's rocket attacks?

What happens if a man with a brick tries to attack a man with a gun? Does the man with the gun not shoot because the other guy doesn't have the same firepower?

This whole thing is a clusterfuck because of people with your mindset. They couldn't bring themselves to force Lebanon to disarm Hezbolah. They wouldn't do it themselves. Then, when Hezbolah fires rockets into Israeli civilian centers with no military value, you piss and moan about Israel defending themselves.

You are comparing a military firing on military targets to the fucking Nazis! Do you have any perspective at all?

But he is so profitable!
Yeah...for cheap laughs. :p

I say we have him executed

/pat robertson impression

Alrightttt, lets DOOO ITTT!

(Joe from family guy impression):p

His rhetoric is getting a little overblown these days; I support him most of the time, but he really needs to learn to be a tad bit more tactful and less exaggerating.
Why do you support him?

That has to be the most ass backwards analysis I've seen yet of the situation. What was israel supposed to do in respone to Hezbolah's rocket attacks?

What happens if a man with a brick tries to attack a man with a gun? Does the man with the gun not shoot because the other guy doesn't have the same firepower?

For that analogy to work, you have to factor in ALL the details.

It's more along those lines: The man with the gun lives in a house. Next door, there is a house with a family inside. The man with the gun has good neighbourhood relations with everybody in that house, except the nutjob with the brick.

One day, the nutjob with the brick tries to attack the man with the gun. The man with the gun goes see the head of the house next door, asking him to calm down his retarded cousin with the brick. The head of the house next door says he will try, but really doesn't have much hope because his cousin has a brick, and he doesn't, and getting on his bad side would be dangerous for the rest of those living in the house.

The next day, brick nutjob attacks again. Man with the gun decides to fight back. However, man with the gun does shitty work and ends up SHOOTINg NICE NEIGHBOUR'S WIFE AND KIDS and missing completely nutjob with the brick.

Conclusion: not only did the man with the gun do nothing to protect himself, because the retard with a brick still has his brick and is as crazy as ever, but now he has an angry neighbour who resents the fact that he shot his innocent wife and children.



This whole thing is a clusterfuck because of people with your mindset. They couldn't bring themselves to force Lebanon to disarm Hezbolah. They wouldn't do it themselves. Then, when Hezbolah fires rockets into Israeli civilian centers with no military value, you piss and moan about Israel defending themselves.


Lebanon NEVER had the means to make Hezbollah disarm by themselves. I never pissed and moaned about Israel defending themselves: I'm condemning them for missing their target entirely and killing civillians instead. And then they go whine at the UN and ask for international forces to clean the fucking mess they've made.

You are comparing a military firing on military targets to the fucking Nazis! Do you have any perspective at all?
You obviously haven't read my post. Chavez is comparing them to the Nazis. I'm saying they just fucked things up royally. We're not talking about military firing on military targets; we're talking military bombing the fuck out of everything on sight in hopes of touching some military target.

Maybe if we just ignore him, he will stop.

I pretty much agree, the only tragedy is that this bullshit goes over good with uneducated peasants.

Why do you support him?

I broadly support his social reforms.

I broadly support his social reforms.

You know that where I live..has the largest biggest Venezualian population, outside Venezulia...and everyone [Venezualians] here hates him.

Gotta be a reason for that...and I cant be that his social forums are good.

I pretty much agree, the only tragedy is that this bullshit goes over good with uneducated peasants.

And opponents of Israel, and countries like Iran/Syria...ect.

I want to like Chavez.. I want to trust him..

But I can't..

Trilby63;11599121']I want to like Chavez.. I want to trust him..

But I can't..


Ugh, why do you want to?

Ugh, why do you want to?

Because even though the guy is a nutjob I agree with some of his policies. That's not to say he's not a nutjob and I don't fear for the future of the Venezualan people but it would be nice to see a sucsessful socialist state in South America.

God Almighty will weigh in on Pat's side, of course. Who would you bet on; godless commie or guy who talks to the Creator every day after breakfast?
Chavez is an openly Christian guy.

Trilby63;11599146']it would be nice to see a sucsessful socialist state in South America.

Silly. Don't you know that socialism always fails?

Because America always intervenes to stop it.

Unfortunately there are plenty of anti-Semites who would love to listen to this. I mean people seem to be stupid at heart anyway, would believe anything someone tells them. Why not something as foolish as this?

Crazy people say crazy things at times.

Like this: Ireland's Zionist slurs like Iran, says Israel (http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/ire_1.html)

"If you don't support Zionism ipso facto you are actually saying, in the logical progression, we don't support the right of the Jewish people to have a state of their own, in their own ancestral homeland." :Raanan Gissin

Wow I never herad about this. It's sort of funny. The Israeli Ambassador is used to writing strongly worded letters to the government for criticising Israel everytime they incinerate a bunch of civvies.

"Some people support it and some people have a profoundly held theological basis to reject it. It's a theological issue, we're not going into that." He claimed that Ireland has not been "well served" by Zionism because the migration to Israel in the 1950s and 60s had left behind a "non-viable community".
Come on Israel, we want our Irish Jews back. ;)

Israel is indeed worse than Hitler. Does Israel wear lederhosen? No. Does it have the dictator mustache? No. Eva Braun? No. I rest my case.

You know that where I live..has the largest biggest Venezualian population, outside Venezulia...and everyone [Venezualians] here hates him.

Gotta be a reason for that...and I cant be that his social forums are good.

I'll trust the actual results of internationally-supervised elections before anecdotal evidence regarding a select set.

Wow I never herad about this. It's sort of funny. The Israeli Ambassador is used to writing strongly worded letters to the government for criticising Israel everytime they incinerate a bunch of civvies.
Sadly, it's that official policy that makes it hard for me to like the Israeli Govt. "You either agree with everything we say, or you're anti-Semitic".



Come on Israel, we want our Irish Jews back. ;)
I'd love to see them back personally.


Support for Israel isn't premised on Zionism. Our support for Israel is that its effect in being. Zionism may be what brought it to be there, but Zionism is essentially a religious issue - a faith issue. I don't think you're going to get the Taoiseach to take a position on that."

He added: "Zionism is not part of relevant official policy here. Even within Judaism you get a division on Zionism.

How that makes Ireland equal to the "wipe em all out" theocracy of Iran is beyond me.

Sadly, it's that official policy that makes it hard for me to like the Israeli Govt. "You either agree with everything we say, or you're anti-Semitic".
Most governments are hard to like.

You know that where I live..has the largest biggest Venezualian population, outside Venezulia...and everyone [Venezualians] here hates him.

Gotta be a reason for that...and I cant be that his social forums are good.
Where I live all the Americans oppose Bush. He's clearly an evil dictator. :rolleyes:

so...Chavez just invoked Godwins Law?

Sweet.

so...Chavez just invoked Godwins Law?



Only if he was talking on an internet forum at the time.

Only if he was talking on an internet forum at the time.

Close enough.

Trilby63;11599146']sucsessful socialist state

Quite the oxymoron.

so...Chavez just invoked Godwins Law?

Sweet.

Damn i was just about to post that!

For that analogy to work, you have to factor in ALL the details.

It's more along those lines: The man with the gun lives in a house. Next door, there is a house with a family inside. The man with the gun has good neighbourhood relations with everybody in that house, except the nutjob with the brick.

One day, the nutjob with the brick tries to attack the man with the gun. The man with the gun goes see the head of the house next door, asking him to calm down his retarded cousin with the brick. The head of the house next door says he will try, but really doesn't have much hope because his cousin has a brick, and he doesn't, and getting on his bad side would be dangerous for the rest of those living in the house.

Who of course are giving the guy with the brick more bricks and telling him to keep going.

The next day, brick nutjob attacks again. Man with the gun decides to fight back. However, man with the gun does shitty work and ends up SHOOTINg NICE NEIGHBOUR'S WIFE AND KIDS and missing completely nutjob with the brick.

Or rather, the wife and kids use themsleves as human shields for the brick thrower while he wings them at the first man's family.

Conclusion: not only did the man with the gun do nothing to protect himself, because the retard with a brick still has his brick and is as crazy as ever, but now he has an angry neighbour who resents the fact that he shot his innocent wife and children.

And nothing about the complacency of the family.


Lebanon NEVER had the means to make Hezbollah disarm by themselves.

They should have asked for help.

I never pissed and moaned about Israel defending themselves: I'm condemning them for missing their target entirely and killing civillians instead.

Unfortunatly, Hezbolah was hiding its assets amongst the civilians. Israel could have finished off Hezbollah, but they decided to listen to international pressure and try for a more "peaceful" solution. Instead of taking off the gloves and guarenteeing victory at any cost, they wanted to be the "good guys".

Don't get e wrong, I'm glad innocent civlians are not being blasted to hell anymore. But its not Israel's fault they were in the first place.

And then they go whine at the UN and ask for international forces to clean the fucking mess they've made.

They made? Who picked this fight? Who hides their missiles amongst humans?

You obviously haven't read my post. Chavez is comparing them to the Nazis. I'm saying they just fucked things up royally.

You said they were just as evil, onlyu in a different way.

We're not talking about military firing on military targets;

Yes, we are.

we're talking military bombing the fuck out of everything on sight

No, they didn't.

in hopes of touching some military target.

No, with the intention of hitting the military assets the enemy had placed in civlian populations.

Right...ok Mr Chavez, Israel IS worse than Hitler...

...oh, and while we're making reasonable and logical comparisons...you're worse than Stalin. :rolleyes:

That silly Chavez, I'd seriously like to email him one day just to laugh at him.

Of course then I'd end up on the Homeland security list so I won't do that...

Hmm maybe if I email homeland security first and tell them I'm going to contact Chavez to poke fun at him? I'm sure the federal government would just love that.

So I generally like hugo chavez with his socialist reforms and such, but this is crap:Linky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060825/wl_mideast_afp/chinamideastconflict_060825100753)



Oh come on Hugo, like killing 1000 civillians is anything like mass exterminating a whole race.

What race are you talking about? Hitler only wanted JEws and a few other people eliminated, not all of humans. Please use the word correctly.

He's probably trying to buy points with other rogue states. Note they all support each other. The Axis of Evil should not have included Iraq, but Venezuela. Not that Venezuela is evil, but the three are in league together.

What race are you talking about? Hitler only wanted JEws and a few other people eliminated, not all of humans. Please use the word correctly.

Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Romany's, Communists, Slavs.... to name a few.

Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Romany's, Communists, Slavs.... to name a few.

Shush. Your facts might offend people. I mean, facts be damned. Isreal must be worse than hitler. some f-ing commie said so.

Someone should really teach this guy a bit of math - 1,300 is not the same as 6 million.

That silly Chavez, I'd seriously like to email him one day just to laugh at him.

Of course then I'd end up on the Homeland security list so I won't do that...Be careful who you talk to.. big brother is watching. :D

First of all, I can’t see how anything Chavez has done is Socialist, and secondly, I don’t care. One of the things I like about Chavez is that he says what he wants, no matter what anybody else in the world thinks of it.