NationStates Jolt Archive

What say you?

(Poll coming.)

I dont think Israel really needs that much aid anymore, I mean sure, if there was a drought or something then Agricultural aid would be fine, I do however think we should keep letting Israel BUY our military technology, seeing as Israel is probly our ONLY true Ally these days.

Should the West continue to send me money
(Poll coming.)I say:
No more money for You motafakka!!

I say the "west" should stop sending billions to Minnesota..
Unless Minnesotans stop their WARmongering ways. :D :D ;) :D

of course.

of course.

Agreed.

A) Israel can take care of itself.

B) It's not our job to take care of other countries.

C) Our alliance with Israel causes more trouble than it's worth.

We ought to do a better job of getting our money's worth, that's for damn sure. :p

I find myself questioning why we in Canada, and as far as I know, you in the States, have signed Free Trade agreements with Israel.

I find myself questioning why we in Canada, and as far as I know, you in the States, have signed Free Trade agreements with Israel.
WTF?

In addition to withdrawing aid, the U.S. should stop insisting they adopt a liberal attitude toward terrorist attacks on their soil. Let them level however many settlements necessary to incite Palestinian leaders to crack down on their people taking the lives of others and themselves in the process.

Hell, we'd even be better off if Israel conquered the Middle East. 8)

Yes. Not JUST Israel. I'm not singling Israel out here, but if we are going to contribute aid to other countries, then there should be some improvement or benefit to be gained from that money. In the case of Israel, all that money is doing is helping to maintain the status quo and the cycle of violence. The only peace Israel ever sought with it's neighbors is the peace from being the one on the correct side of the most powerful guns. That's not peace. The Israelis, Lebanon, Palestinians, Syria, basically that whole region is just a money pit. We're funding their hatred. It ought to stop.

other - ok after bunch of muslim countrys are glassed over

WTF?

Wonder no more, Posi:

http://agr.gc.ca/itpd-dpci/english/trade_agr/cifta.htm

Israel is an ally and a business partner in research and development of new consumer goods and military hardware. I don't think we should stop sending them aid.

Yes. Not JUST Israel. I'm not singling Israel out here, but if we are going to contribute aid to other countries, then there should be some improvement or benefit to be gained from that money. In the case of Israel, all that money is doing is helping to maintain the status quo and the cycle of violence. The only peace Israel ever sought with it's neighbors is the peace from being the one on the correct side of the most powerful guns. That's not peace. The Israelis, Lebanon, Palestinians, Syria, basically that whole region is just a money pit. We're funding their hatred. It ought to stop.


I agree.

And what are you doing, making a serious post?

"the West"?

Do you mean the United States?

I agree.

And what are you doing, making a serious post?

A momentary aberration. :p

What say you?

(Poll coming.)

Why should they?

Israel is an ally and a business partner in research and development of new consumer goods and military hardware. I don't think we should stop sending them aid.

But... Dcd - that's not how you voted in the poll...:confused:

I just realized that I voted wrong on the poll. The title of the thread asks if we should stop aiding Israel, so naturally I voted no on the poll. Upon further examination the poll title asks if we should continue aiding Israel. I think, from looking at who voted for what, several others made the same mistake. The poll might be totally fucked.

IIRC, Sweden does not give aid to Israel. So, umm, I don't quite care.

I wasn't aware that Western countries other than the US gave money to Israel.

But... Dcd - that's not how you voted in the poll...:confused:

See explanation below your post.

See explanation below your post.

Yeah, that makes sense. I almost voted incorrectly as well.

If the West got in the bloody mess in the first place, they should finish it before it gets worse.

I just realized that I voted wrong on the poll. The title of the thread asks if we should stop aiding Israel, so naturally I voted no on the poll. Upon further examination the poll title asks if we should continue aiding Israel. I think, from looking at who voted for what, several others made the same mistake. The poll might be totally fucked.

I made the same mistake. I meant to vote no, the west should not continue aiding Israel.

Hell No! Isreal is probably the only stable democracy in the Middle East. If nothing else the provide a pressure on Iran to stay in line.

Edit: Fuck... Poll is bad! I voted "no" because I thought it was the same question...

I find myself questioning why we in Canada, and as far as I know, you in the States, have signed Free Trade agreements with Israel.
What's so unusual about free trade agreements? You have them with each other and Europe I believe.

I must say, it's not every day of the week I see myself voting the same way on a poll along with Celtlund, The Atlantian islands, and USalpenstock.

What's so unusual about free trade agreements? You have them with each other and Europe I believe.

What's unusual about it is why it was necessary to begin with. We don't do nearly enough trade with Israel to warrant the bother.

I just realized that I voted wrong on the poll. The title of the thread asks if we should stop aiding Israel, so naturally I voted no on the poll. Upon further examination the poll title asks if we should continue aiding Israel. I think, from looking at who voted for what, several others made the same mistake. The poll might be totally fucked.
Not only that, the question is represented as 'continue aid, or not?' which can't have a yes or no answer.

Yes. Not JUST Israel. I'm not singling Israel out here, but if we are going to contribute aid to other countries, then there should be some improvement or benefit to be gained from that money. In the case of Israel, all that money is doing is helping to maintain the status quo and the cycle of violence. The only peace Israel ever sought with it's neighbors is the peace from being the one on the correct side of the most powerful guns. That's not peace. The Israelis, Lebanon, Palestinians, Syria, basically that whole region is just a money pit. We're funding their hatred. It ought to stop.
I agree with the principle; providing aid to the actual nations only fuels the flames. However, I do think we should still be looking into poverty relief across the middle east. It is well known that extremism arises from discontentment, and any relaxing of tensions will inevitably need to involve economic improvement as well.

Israel’s a big boy now I'm sure it can look after itself so lets start funding Lebanon that would be money well spent

oops the poll tricked me and I picked yes instead of no.

I made the same mistake. I meant to vote no, the west should not continue aiding Israel.

Damn! LG rigged this. He must be a member of the nefarious liberal left press. Imagine, rigging the poll. :mad:

IIRC, Sweden does not give aid to Israel. So, umm, I don't quite care.

Does Sweden provide aid to any government? If so, what countries and what type of aid?

oh well - it's not like we havent seen this same poll dozens of times on NSG

Israel has proven to be a good investment for the US throughout its history, and has the rare distinction of being one of only a very tiny number of nations that have never defaulted on the loans they have received from the US. Furthermore, Isreali research companies have been investing in various technologies, both civil and military, that have been quite useful to the US, espescially in recent years.

oops the poll tricked me and I picked yes instead of no.

We offset each other then.

I must say, it's not every day of the week I see myself voting the same way on a poll along with Celtlund, The Atlantian islands, and USalpenstock.

It was trickery. I was duped. I never thought someone would change the question. *that will teach me to read the fine print...* The west should contine to aid Israel.

Yes, the West should continue to aid Israel.

Does Sweden provide aid to any government? If so, what countries and what type of aid?

Oh, several. SIDA knows which ones. (http://www.sida.se/?d=100&language=en_US) (Not all Swedish ODA is channelled via Sida, though, but 60% of it is). You can find out what sort of aid and why by clicking the individual countries/territories. Tends to be financial, medical, logistical, "knowledgeable" and such aid.

As they say, "Sweden gives support to developing countries for reasons of humanity and of solidarity with poor and vulnerable people in these countries. But we also do it for our own sake. The overall goal of Swedish development cooperation is to contribute to making it possible for poor people to improve their living conditions. By reducing injustices and poverty throughout the world, better opportunities are created for development, peace and security for all people and nations. In an increasingly globalised world we are all dependent on, and affected by, each other."

Although I support the existance of Israel, I belive we should terminate the aid for our mutual benefit:
*I'm pretty much for staying out of int'l affairs unless its genocide, pandemics, or the defense of one's own nation. (I'll support free trade, but that's another story)
*Israel needs to learn to defend itself without help from others, which will help strengthen its independance

Oh, several. SIDA knows which ones. (http://www.sida.se/?d=100&language=en_US) (Not all Swedish ODA is channelled via Sida, though, but 60% of it is). You can find out what sort of aid and why by clicking the individual countries/territories. Tends to be financial, medical, logistical, "knowledgeable" and such aid.


Is it just me, or does SIDA list 'South America' as a country?

Is it just me, or does SIDA list 'South America' as a country?

It treats it as a territory probably because the actual cooperation figures with any one individual country aren't that great. (http://www.sida.se/sida/jsp/sida.jsp?d=505&a=24074&language=en_US)

It treats it as a territory probably because the actual cooperation figures with any one individual country aren't that great. (http://www.sida.se/sida/jsp/sida.jsp?d=505&a=24074&language=en_US)

I see now, thankymuch.

Edit: Why is Guyana in the negative?

I dont think Israel really needs that much aid anymore, I mean sure, if there was a drought or something then Agricultural aid would be fine, I do however think we should keep letting Israel BUY our military technology, seeing as Israel is probly our ONLY true Ally these days.

There's Britain...

Israel doesn't need help. It can survive on its own. We've fought for nearly 6000 years and aren't going to give up now. We finally have an edge over everyone.

I see now, thankymuch.

Edit: Why is Guyana in the negative?

I have no idea, and I have no idea why they even mention such a small sum at all. Searching Guyana on the site gives very few results, and nothing that would explain it.

I have no idea, and I have no idea why they even mention such a small sum at all. Searching Guyana on the site gives very few results, and nothing that would explain it.

This is the mystery of the day for me, I shall attempt to find out...

I believe the west should continue to aid Israel, and Lebanon. And anyone else that needs it.

Not monetarily, of course, nor with weapons or a way in which to acquire weapons. No sir-ee, I believe we need to aid all those who need help in other ways such as homelessness, mourning, and those who have their lives brought to a lower standard due to the hostilities over there.

This is the mystery of the day for me, I shall attempt to find out...

I believe I found the answer. According to a table in SIDA's annual report (http://www.sida.se/sida/jsp/sida.jsp?d=118&a=21077&language=en_US), the -4000 comes from an NGO. It would seem some NGO got money the preceding year that it had to pay back. This is just so typical of Swedish government budget review - they actually state a sum as low as 4000 SEK. That's US$553/€444. -_-

ah fuck

i voted wrong

i meant to say yes.

Israel is the best thing we have going on over there at the moment.

I LOVE ISRAEL:fluffle:

I must say, it's not every day of the week I see myself voting the same way on a poll along with Celtlund, The Atlantian islands, and USalpenstock.


:D


I grow on you don't I??? :fluffle:


I know, I know, like mold!

...SNIP...
As they say, "Sweden gives support to developing countries for reasons of humanity and of solidarity with poor and vulnerable people in these countries. But we also do it for our own sake. The overall goal of Swedish development cooperation is to contribute to making it possible for poor people to improve their living conditions. By reducing injustices and poverty throughout the world, better opportunities are created for development, peace and security for all people and nations. In an increasingly globalised world we are all dependent on, and affected by, each other."

Thank you.

Is it just me, or does SIDA list 'South America' as a country?

Did you bother clicking the link to South America? :rolleyes:

Did you bother clicking the link to South America? :rolleyes:

I wasn't looking for links, I just found it odd looking.

What say you?

(Poll coming.)
I was tricked into voting yes. :(

Your thread title:

Should the West terminate its aid to Israel?

I voted yes right away.

Your poll title:

View Poll Results: Should the West continue to aid Israel, or not?

I demand a recount!!

I think I voted wrong on the poll as well...
The question becomes confusing.
I misunderstood the clumsy phrasing to mean "Should we stop supporting Israel" to which I chose NO.

Personally, I think that the money used to help all the OTHER Middle Eastern nations (such as the ones that are opposed to Israel) should be stopped instead.
The AMOUNT of money that the US sends out in a year to other countries and which ones would be quite alarming.

I can't seem to find ANYTHING at all about the United States Foreign Aid EXCEPT for studies on aid to Israel which seem to say that Israel gets about 1/6th of the aid...

But, then there was this dubious link:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2001/tst110501.htm
Which comes from Texas and is therefore suspect.

The US spends MILLIONS out in Foreign Aid and there is no sign of it going ANYWHERE at all that I can find except that Israel gets about 1/6th...

I found this next link which cites certain examples but there seems to be no known source that can be found online:
http://www.gopusa.com/opinion/aw_1021.shtml
I hate it when a conservative starts making sense, it means that I might have made a mistake in my thinking somewhere.
I wish there was a online source for the numbers to link to as the alarming condition of Middle Eastern aid eventually being funneled into Anti-American groups so that they can wage their war of terrorism upon us is rather appalling...

No one cares about the Jews. Not even the Jews.

Considering that "yes" in answer to the question asked in the post has the opposite meaning of "yes" in answer to the question asked above the poll, I question the legitimacy of the results.

But, yes, the US should end aid to Israel.

No one cares about the Jews. Not even the Jews.
That seems an odd statement...

Where does it come from?

Cthulhu-Mythos;11600641']That seems an odd statement...

Where does it come from?

Only one place

BAND KAMP

Cthulhu-Mythos;11600641']That seems an odd statement...

Where does it come from?

I'm going to kill a million Jews and one clown.

I'm going to kill a million Jews and one clown.

Why the million Jews?

Why the million Jews?

DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to kill a million Jews and one clown.

fuck you. what did the clown ever do to you?

fuck you. what did the clown ever do to you?

See? You don't care about the Jews.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

This is turning surreal...

I think Kafka is writing the script to this thread.

Cthulhu-Mythos;11600756']:eek: :eek: :eek:

This is turning surreal...

I think Kafka is writing the script to this thread.

No, I am. *cackles*







Arrrrrrgggghhhhh! I'm a pirate! Arrrrrggggghhhhhh!

Hahaha - seeing how many of you are complaining how they voted wrong this time it suddenly makes a lot of sense why elections are sometimes won by the "wrong" person.

You guys should really pay more attention :D

Considering the fact that many people voted wrong, I vote that this thread be locked and thrown into the NS recycling bin. :D

Considering the fact that many people voted wrong, I vote that this thread be locked and thrown into the NS recycling bin. :D
Considering that apparently people are too preoccupied with whatever or reading impaired, I vote that their voting rights be revoked :eek::D:p

Of course it should. Should have a long time ago.

I just realized that I voted wrong on the poll.Yeah.. this poll is some kind of IQ test..
Dobbsworld made it, you flunked it. ;)

It was trickery. I was duped.
:D

fuck you. what did the clown ever do to you?ROFL

Damn! LG rigged this. He must be a member of the nefarious liberal left press. Imagine, rigging the poll. :mad:


You can't prove a thing! :p

I'm going to kill a million Jews and one clown.

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/escape.gif

Whoops, I voted yes. But I meant no. Although we could just threaten to stop funding if they don't dismantle colonies or whatnot.

ah fuck

i voted wrong

i meant to say yes.

Israel is the best thing we have going on over there at the moment.

I LOVE ISRAEL:fluffle:
"WE"? Israel it its own nation, not our colony.

I wish we could read something into this poll, but we can't. It's tragically poorly designed.

I wish we could read something into this poll, but we can't. It's tragically poorly designed.
No, it's not. People are simply too lazy/stupid to read what they are voting on. That is the real problem, not the poll. Others got it right, and so did I.