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Russia rules out UN sanctions against Iran

MOSCOW -Fri Aug 25- Russia rejected talk for now of sanctions against Iran and France warned on Friday against conflict with Tehran, raising doubts whether it will face swift penalties if nuclear work is not halted by an August 31 deadline.()

Washington has said the six powers will move quickly to adopt sanctions if Iran disregards the deadline. Britain, Germany and France have been less conclusive in public.

Russia and China, both trade partners of Iran, have been unwilling and could veto sanctions in the Council.

Underlining the confusion, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said he expected new talks in days with Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani "to get clarification (on Iran's response) and see how we can move the process forward."()

Asked about Russia's rejection of sanctions for now, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said there were several days before the U.N. deadline and a lot could happen.

British U.N. Ambassador Emyr Jones Parry said: "On Iran, I don't think I would expect very much imminently in the Council."

"So we need to think carefully about how we respond to that," he added, pointedly avoiding comment when asked whether London was working on a sanctions resolution.()

Some analysts believe Arab and Muslim world anger over Washington's perceived slowness to curb Israel's anti-Hizbollah blitz, which killed mainly civilians, could erode support in the 15-member Security Council for a showdown with Iran.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060825/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc
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My2cents:the Neocons are begging for this resolution cos they know (without the Resolution)... any US/Israel strike on Iran is illegal.

My prediction is that there will not be any resolution allowing for a Legal US/Israel strike on Iran.

I don't see what the big deal is. I despise Iran's government, but they pose absolutely no threat to us. There's no reason we can't coexist peacefully with them and try to establish cordial relations.

Why do all your thread titles start with "##"?

Why do all your thread titles start with "##"?

I wondered that myself. :confused:

Why do all your thread titles start with "##"?i get asked that question every week.. I think I will have to make a OceanDrive page.. and link my sig to it.. a la rotovia.

I wondered that myself. :confused:I shall make life easier for all of you.. soon.. with a full FAK linked thread/page.

Bah...

See, this is the side effect of losing your international credibility. When a real threat to the wellbeing of millions comes around, the international community won't oppose them.

Edit: Sanctions are a GOOD thing. A VERY good thing. They make the liklihood of war drop sharply.

but to answer your question.. its for search purposes..

Is it odd to find Ahmadinejad sexually attractive?

Sanctions are a GOOD thing. A VERY good thing. They make the liklihood of war drop sharply.If you mean economic sanctions.. I tend to agree

but to answer your question.. its for search purposes..
Ah!

w00t! I've been sigg'd!

If you mean economic sanctions.. I tend to agree

Yes. They are. They are the ONLY way to put the pressure on Iran effectively.

If Iran cuts off the oil flow... Well... It's screwed.

War, nothing, a blockaded Iran has no functioning government in a month, tops.

Sanctions don't work anyway. Everyone just ignores them. All that would be accomplished is shortages for the average Iranian who would then probably end up hating the US even more.

(Sanctions?)
All that would be accomplished is shortages for the average Iranian who would then probably end up hating the US even more.
would you hate more a Country that stops trading with you.. or a country that bombs you and your family.

would you hate more a Country that stops trading with you.. or a country that bombs you and your family.

I don't know, why don't we ask the half million dead iraqis?

Sanctions don't work anyway. Everyone just ignores them. All that would be accomplished is shortages for the average Iranian who would then probably end up hating the US even more.

It's kinda hard to keep a government stable when it's been prevented from trading with the outside world and it's only source of economic strength is useless.

The result would be high gas prices, but no Iran, and a significantly weakened China.

War, nothing, a blockaded Iran has no functioning government in a month, tops.
What, like Iran-Iraq 1980-1988, which reinforced the prevailing sense of nationalism? :D

They have showed they can have the west of their country invaded, take a million casualties, be bombed with nerve gas, and still hold out for eight years.

Got something to top that? Which doesn't end with a global dollar sell-off?

It's kinda hard to keep a government stable when it's been prevented from trading with the outside world and it's only source of economic strength is useless.

The result would be high gas prices, but no Iran, and a significantly weakened China.

North Korea hasn't collapsed. Saddam Hussein weathered 12 years of the most complete economic sanctions ever imposed.

Also, you'd have to hope that people are going to honor the sanctions. Which they won't. They'll be circumvented from say one.

Sanctions don't work anyway. Everyone just ignores them. All that would be accomplished is shortages for the average Iranian who would then probably end up hating the US even more.

Sanctions definately do work. Take out an economy, no government can really hold itself up. Unfortunately, where the common people go is the problem...they might start running the border with goods (hardly easy with oil), maybe a drug trade. Who knows?

Sanctions definately do work. Take out an economy, no government can really hold itself up. Unfortunately, where the common people go is the problem...they might start running the border with goods (hardly easy with oil), maybe a drug trade. Who knows?

Well they've done a bang up job with north korea, that's for sure.

What, like Iran-Iraq 1980-1988, which reinforced the prevailing sense of nationalism? :D

They have showed they can have the west of their country invaded, take a million casualties, be bombed with nerve gas, and still hold out for eight years.

Got something to top that? Which doesn't end with a global dollar sell-off?

But they depend more and more on oil as a form of economic support. An Iran without the ability to sell oil is a neutered Iran.

But they depend more and more on oil as a form of economic support. An Iran without the ability to sell oil is a neutered Iran.
An Iran not selling oil means global recession. ;)

A naval blockade will not even come up for discussion. Cue veto from Russia and/or China.

See, it's a nice theory, but that's where it will stay. There is simply too much money involved, and gone are the days when America's word in the region is final. The US can go for a full-scale war, or it can watch the rest of the world compromise to safeguard its economic interests.

You are looking at a situation where for most people, it is not a conflict worth having.

An Iran not selling oil means global recession. ;)

A naval blockade will not even come up for discussion. Cue veto from Russia and/or China.

See, it's a nice theory, but that's where it will stay. There is simply too much money involved, and gone are the days when America's word in the region is final. The US can go for a full-scale war, or it can watch the rest of the world compromise to safeguard its economic interests.

You are looking at a situation where for most people, it is not a conflict worth having.


I don't trust the rest of the world. I haven't trusted them for years to do good negotiating because they have yet to effectively end a conflict.

Iran is a power controlled by an honest-to-fuck psychopath with a Hitler Complex. It is unnaceptable that it gains a nuclear weapon.

Now we have two options:

1) Fight a war. Devastating losses on both sides, loss of oil production, further turmoil in the ME region.

or

2) Sancions, and pressure on Iran. Loss of oil, but without the loss of lives.

Take your pick, because Iran won't negotiate until real pressure is put on them.

Consistency! "Washington says... " should be paralleled by "Moscow says..." not "Russia says" !

Is it odd to find Ahmadinejad sexually attractive?

You can be my Yoko Ono... Isn't it beautiful to see two people so much in love?


United Chicken Kleptos and Ah-mad-ine-jad...(ohhh yeah)

I don't know, why don't we ask the half million dead iraqis?

Because they're dead, stupid.

It's kinda hard to keep a government stable when it's been prevented from trading with the outside world and it's only source of economic strength is useless.

The result would be high gas prices, but no Iran, and a significantly weakened China.

Waitwaitwait...

Sanctioning Iran means no more China?

Or would that be sanctioning China?

Well they've done a bang up job with north korea, that's for sure.

The problem with North Korea is the people view Mr. Kim as a divine ruler, sent down from the gods or some mystical crap like that. It's roughly similar to the situation with Cuba as well, where Mr. Castro has taken on the figure of a Godhead.

In Iran, Neither Mr. Khameini nor Mr. Ahmadinejad has been able to create the cult of personality to become a Godhead, but they don't need to, because they claim to be speaking on behalf of Allah, which for the poorer portions of Iran is enough. Increasingly though, the Iranian middle class is having it's doubts about Mr. Ahmadinejad, and are concerned about the effect that sanctions could have on the country. They are increasingly coming to the conclusion that it is possible to come to a deal with the US, it's just that Iran wound up electing a leader with a Messainic complex and not much in the way of a grounding in reality.

The problem with North Korea is the people view Mr. Kim as a divine ruler, sent down from the gods or some mystical crap like that. It's roughly similar to the situation with Cuba as well, where Mr. Castro has taken on the figure of a Godhead.

Your in-depth analysis leaves a great deal to be desired.

Your in-depth analysis leaves a great deal to be desired.

I'm just referencing the fact that Iran has not mythologized their current leaders with a cult of personality.

I don't know, why don't we ask the half million dead iraqis?Which ones?

You can be my Yoko Ono... Isn't it beautiful to see two people so much in love?


United Chicken Kleptos and Ah-mad-ine-jad...(ohhh yeah)

Ooo... I get to be Yoko Ono...

Who do I get to break up?

Why is it the free trade loving US is the one screaming for internationally-sponsored trade sanctions, and the commie pinko socialist China and Russia who oppose it?

Isn't that backward?

Actually, it's not, cuz the USA hates free trade.

I don't see what the big deal is. I despise Iran's government, but they pose absolutely no threat to us...

Yet, if by us you mean the US. If by us you mean Israel, yes they are a threat.

Sanctions don't work anyway. Everyone just ignores them. All that would be accomplished is shortages for the average Iranian who would then probably end up hating the US even more.

Or revolting against the government of Iran. :eek:

I don't trust the rest of the world. I haven't trusted them for years to do good negotiating because they have yet to effectively end a conflict.

And the United States has recently ended a conflict successfully?

You know all sanctions do is have the civilians of the target country suffer. We should learn from the decade long sanctions on Iraq that did nothing but have the residents suffer from a lack of supplies while Saddam stayed in power. If anything the young people in the country, who actually want democracy should be encouraged to rise up and end the fundamentalist control strangling their country's potential.

It's kinda hard to keep a government stable when it's been prevented from trading with the outside world and it's only source of economic strength is useless....

I don't know about that. Saddam seemed to do OK in spite of the sanctions. :(

Sanctions definately do work. Take out an economy, no government can really hold itself up.

The only way sanctions will work is if they are enforced and the UN isn't going to make sure they are enforced.

But they depend more and more on oil as a form of economic support. An Iran without the ability to sell oil is a neutered Iran.

What about Iraq? There were loopholes in those sanctions that allowed the oil out, encouraged graft and corruption, and made some of the UN staff and Saddam rich.

Why do all your thread titles start with "##"?
My theory is that, if you list all threads alphabetically, OceanDrive's always come up first.

Sanctions are a GOOD thing. A VERY good thing. They make the liklihood of war drop sharply.

If you mean economic sanctions.. I tend to agree



right, problem is oil prices skyrocket.

right, problem is oil prices skyrocket.

Are you the real Ahmadenijad?

OceanDrive's always come up first.Ladies and Gentlemen.. we have a winer !

##: that way I can search OD2 and OD3 threads :D