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I don't see any muslims condemning terrorism

I have heard this statement time and time again in almost every single thread that debates Islam (and you all know theres loads of them). Well, its not a completely irrational statment it's true that you never see any muslims on the news vehemently denouncing terrorism as un-islamic. But does that mean that absolutely no muslims opposing terrorism? Or is the mass-media(as usual) is giving us Bias samples and half-truths?

*note* if you don't feel like reading all this, just read the first link.

http://www.usembassyjakarta.org/lawmaker.html
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...s+Reston&hl=en
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/195606.shtml
http://www.islamfortoday.com/qaradawi02.htm
http://www.int-review.org/terr42a.html
please....discuss.

The statement is just as true as all <insert favorite group here> are criminals.

The statement is just as true as all Nation States Moderators are criminals.


:eek:

:eek:
Did I ever tell you how much I love you?

Did I ever tell you how much I love you?


Once or twice before. But you know, i can afford to hear it again.

Oh btw...to keep this post on topic... People in the west(America especially) are generally pig headed and refuse to look at the whole picture, only what the news shows them, and the news never shows the fact that muslims do protest these things. Now why would a fair news corp do this? Because they are owned by over zealous christians that want the death and destruction of Muslims, in hopes that it'll bring about the end times..Or something to that degree.

And yes, not even I believe the shit that spews out of my mouth :D

As the foiled terror plot in Germany gains more impact on the public awareness and it becomes more and more obvious how lucky we've been on the one side and how vulnerable on the other, and tensions arise between the dominently Christian (or secular) population of Germany and the Muslim population (most of whom stem from Turkish immigrant families) I paid particular interest as to how Muslim organizations and clubs react to the overall situation. And I can state that the claim simply is not true. Not only do their spokesmen condemn terrorism, they also state that it is against what the Prophet has decreed. So there.

Do you not understand when someone is supporting your point?

:rolleyes:

Did you read the OP? i'm not supporting this claim, in fact all the linkys I posted are muslim clerics condmning Al-Qaeda. I have heard this idea stated on more than a few threads.


I think she was agreeing with you, in the fact that moslems are stereotyped as West hating war mongers, and witht he example of some group(say the italians) are all criminals. Which isn't true, just a stereotype.

Do you not understand when someone is supporting your point?

:rolleyes:

D'OH
my apologies at this time of night I have the reading comprehension of a chimp with a concussion.

Do you not understand when someone is supporting your point?

:rolleyes:
he was probably distracted by your avatar...

*stares at avatar*

sorry... what were we talking about again?

he was probably distracted by your avatar...

*stares at avatar*

sorry... what were we talking about again?
It is mesmerizing!
( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11594755&postcount=4 )

The only thing that's strange is that it has five "fingers"...

As the foiled terror plot in Germany gains more impact on the public awareness and it becomes more and more obvious how lucky we've been on the one side and how vulnerable on the other, and tensions arise between the dominently Christian (or secular) population of Germany and the Muslim population (most of whom stem from Turkish immigrant families) I paid particular interest as to how Muslim organizations and clubs react to the overall situation. And I can state that the claim simply is not true. Not only do their spokesmen condemn terrorism, they also state that it is against what the Prophet has decreed. So there.Not to mention one of the would-be bombers was asked to leave the mosque he wanted to attend because he was a radical...

It is mesmerizing!
( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11594755&postcount=4 )

The only thing that's strange is that it has five "fingers"...
it is a Human/Neko hybrid, so the five fingers thing can be from it's human genome

it is a Human/Neko hybrid, so the five fingers thing can be from it's human genome
Huh! Something I could go post in the "What have you learned today" thread somewhere over there *points towards webtubes*

Huh! Something I could go post in the "What have you learned today" thread somewhere over there *points towards webtubes*
*Wanders off in that direction.*

Not to mention one of the would-be bombers was asked to leave the mosque he wanted to attend because he was a radical...
Jihad what's-his-face who was arrested in Lebanon or the other one who returned to Germany and got arrested here?

*Wanders off in that direction.*
Just be careful, there might be big trucks crossing your way which are not part of the interwebtubenet!

Yea. I think the problem is not so much that terrorism is never condemned, but the muted way it is condemned.

Unlike cartoons in foreign countries. When that happens there are thousands in the streets calling for the beheadings of those who slander islam.

Why does one - the attempted murder of possibly thousands of people - merit so much less than the other?

Jihad what's-his-face who was arrested in Lebanon or the other one who returned to Germany and got arrested here?I suspect it would be Cihad... gotta check ARD online for the spelling though... In either case, it was the guy that turned himself in on pressure from his parents.

Meh. It is indeed Jihad.

Yea. I think the problem is not so much that terrorism is never condemned, but the muted way it is condemned.

Unlike cartoons in foreign countries. When that happens there are thousands in the streets calling for the beheadings of those who slander islam.

Why does one - the attempted murder of possibly thousands of people - merit so much less than the other?

What struck me, is that the grand Imam of Al-Azhar, which is the 3rd or 4th most important mosque in Islam condemned terrorism and AQ, yet I never saw this on any news network...

I suspect it would be Cihad... gotta check ARD online for the spelling though... In either case, it was the guy that turned himself in on pressure from his parents.

Meh. It is indeed Jihad.
Wow! In before the reply but I got it in the quote. Good timing!

And I was just going to http://www.bka.de/ to check...

I mean, naming you kid Jihad is sort of a bad omen, ain't it?

I don't know any Holy War Millers or Crusade Thompsons...

But it's true that the masses are easily stirred up by something like a stupid cartoon, and when it comes to humans, infidels or not, one rarely sees anything on the news, which is pretty sad.

What struck me, is that the grand Imam of Al-Azhar, which is the 3rd or 4th most important mosque in Islam condemned terrorism and AQ, yet I never saw this on any news network...

I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just pointing out how the perception of muslims tacitly approving terrorism comes about.

They do have a terrible sense of PR and timing.

Also, I think things like the cartoon issue, and the call for official islamic holidays in the UK (the day after the bomb plot was stopped), have mobilized people who used to be indifferent to them, against them. And this is convienent way to demonize.

And things are just going to get worse.

I mean, naming you kid Jihad is sort of a bad omen, ain't it?

I don't know any Holy War Millers or Crusade Thompsons...I actually know a Cihad (chi-had), and his family didn't seem radical at all. I suppose "Crusade" just never caught on as well...

Yea. I think the problem is not so much that terrorism is never condemned, but the muted way it is condemned.

Unlike cartoons in foreign countries. When that happens there are thousands in the streets calling for the beheadings of those who slander islam.

Why does one - the attempted murder of possibly thousands of people - merit so much less than the other?Then get a load of this:
http://www.ksta.de/html/fotolines/1100712595058/popup.shtml?1

I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just pointing out how the perception of muslims tacitly approving terrorism comes about.

They do have a terrible sense of PR and timing.

Also, I think after things like the cartoon issue, and the call for official islamic holidays in the UK (the day after the bomb plot was stopped) has mobilized people who used to be indifferent to them against them. And this is convienent way to demonize them.

And things are just going to get worse.

they tried to implement Islamic holidays the day after the tube/bus bombings O_o worst. timing. ever. That would be like celebrating oktoberfest during the Blitz.

all this hushing up about terrorism condemnations... makes me wonder whether or not there is some sort of state-encouraged racism going on....

Then get a load of this:
http://www.ksta.de/html/fotolines/1100712595058/popup.shtml?1

Fair enough. But that wasn't reported in the english speaking world.

Fair enough. But that wasn't reported in the english speaking world.The English speaking media and not the Muslims are to blame for that, though ;)

they tried to implement Islamic holidays the day after the tube/bus bombings O_o worst. timing. ever. That would be like celebrating oktoberfest during the Blitz.

all this hushing up about terrorism condemnations... makes me wonder whether or not there is some sort of state-encouraged racism going on....
Nah. It has to do with the media maintaining consistent views within their stories. As a subject gets reported on more and more, the media develops their own explanation or inteterpretation. Like, during the 2000 elections, stereotypical flaws emerged in the candidates and they were exploited consistently. Bush was portrayed as a moron, so almost every question or topic had something about his mess-ups and inability to remember facts. Over time, these biases in reporting become such a part of the story that people almost forget that the news added the spin.

This effect comes through in coverage of Muslims and their reactions to terrorist attacks as well. With hundreds of clips of Muslims and Palestinians celebrating attacks and chanting "Death to America", the moderates get left out because they don't fit the spin given the attacks and Muslims. It's not really hatred or racism, just laziness and an inability of the media to tell the whole story. They just pick an angle and run with it.

The statement is just as true as all <insert favorite group here> are criminals.
I'd recommend rephrasing that so that one is unable to insert "criminals" in the blank.

they tried to implement Islamic holidays the day after the tube/bus bombings O_o worst. timing. ever. That would be like celebrating oktoberfest during the Blitz.

all this hushing up about terrorism condemnations... makes me wonder whether or not there is some sort of state-encouraged racism going on....
Hey, even we didn't get to celebrate Oktoberfest during the World War - why should you? ;)

Then get a load of this:
http://www.ksta.de/html/fotolines/1100712595058/popup.shtml?1
Picture #13 would be a good reason for me to call for immediate action, though! :eek: (I truely dislike that woman!)

The English speaking media and not the Muslims are to blame for that, though ;)

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just saying how the perception comes about.

The other thing is that the muslim community is unrealistic in that it doesn't seem to realize the effect that organizations like the MCB have in creating an anti-islamic backlash in general.

Maybe society is islamophobic. But no-one wants to hear about it on a daily basis. Especially not from a bunch of homophobes.

Nah. It has to do with the media maintaining consistent views within their stories. As a subject gets reported on more and more, the media develops their own explanation or inteterpretation. Like, during the 2000 elections, stereotypical flaws emerged in the candidates and they were exploited consistently. Bush was portrayed as a moron, so almost every question or topic had something about his mess-ups and inability to remember facts. Over time, these biases in reporting become such a part of the story that people almost forget that the news added the spin.

This effect comes through in coverage of Muslims and their reactions to terrorist attacks as well. With hundreds of clips of Muslims and Palestinians celebrating attacks and chanting "Death to America", the moderates get left out because they don't fit the spin given the attacks and Muslims. It's not really hatred or racism, just laziness and an inability of the media to tell the whole story. They just pick an angle and run with it.

Your probably right, scared people buy more newspapers. This "clash of Civilizations" us vs. them binary is really starting to bug me....

especially considering the innocent arabs and especially Sikhs who get treated like enemies because they happen to be the wrong color at the wrong time. :(

Your probably right, scared people buy more newspapers. This "clash of Civilizations" us vs. them binary is really starting to bug me....

Yea. Well the muslim community really started that back in the late 1980s with the whole satanic verses deal. Since then things like: calling for faith-crime laws, attempting to adopt a sharia system in the courts, calling for islamic government in the uk, renewed blasphemy laws, and the very loud and obious homophobia of some of the most prominent muslim groups - all of which run counter to western secular values - really hasn't helped things.

especially considering the innocent arabs and especially Sikhs who get treated like enemies because they happen to be the wrong color at the wrong time. :(

True.

D'OH
my apologies at this time of night I have the reading comprehension of a chimp with a concussion.
You've just described 99% of the internet...
:p :p :p

Cthulhu-Mythos']You've just described 99% of the internet...
:p :p :p

hehe

speaking of confused primates...has anyone read any of the links i put up?

Wow! In before the reply but I got it in the quote. Good timing!

And I was just going to http://www.bka.de/ to check...

I mean, naming you kid Jihad is sort of a bad omen, ain't it?

I don't know any Holy War Millers or Crusade Thompsons...

But it's true that the masses are easily stirred up by something like a stupid cartoon, and when it comes to humans, infidels or not, one rarely sees anything on the news, which is pretty sad.

I know that there are school teams with mascots named crusaders..

Good post, Pyotr. But the GWOT possee will forget about those groups as soon as GWB says that muslims are fundamentalist west-haters who deserve to be killed (yet again).
On that note (the 'yet again' part). Did anybody here read 'Mein Kampf'? I read it, because I wanted to have an insight into Hitlers mind and trying to comprehend what could possibly lead you to such hatred. After about two chapters I was bored to death. He explains his arguments once (ilogically) and then simply keeps repeating them for the rest of the book. Now, GWB is doing excactely the same thing - it's called indoctrination and brainwashing. He hasn't said anything new on the GWOT issue since about 2002. And whatever he said back then we now know to be lies. Good thing is, that he'll be gone in 2008....unlike the other guy, him had to be removed.

Good post, Pyotr. But the GWOT possee will forget about those groups as soon as GWB says that muslims are fundamentalist west-haters who deserve to be killed (yet again).
On that note (the 'yet again' part). Did anybody here read 'Mein Kampf'? I read it, because I wanted to have an insight into Hitlers mind and trying to comprehend what could possibly lead you to such hatred. After about two chapters I was bored to death. He explains his arguments once (ilogically) and then simply keeps repeating them for the rest of the book. Now, GWB is doing excactely the same thing - it's called indoctrination and brainwashing. He hasn't said anything new on the GWOT issue since about 2002. And whatever he said back then we now know to be lies. Good thing is, that he'll be gone in 2008....unlike the other guy, him had to be removed.

I wouldn't just blame bush for all of this, but after seeing all the articles in the OP This does seem like just a talking point to me..

No one says that all muslims don't condemn terrorism. They just say that they don't do it nearly enough, and hardly ever publicly.

No one says that all muslims don't condemn terrorism. They just say that they don't do it nearly enough, and hardly ever publicly.

I've heard hundreds of people make that claim, from CNN to NSG seems to happen everytime someone makes the argument that you can't blame an entire religion for the actions of a few maniacs.

"LOL but you never hear muslims denouncing terrorism do you?"

not only is this irrelevent its also completely wrong.

no muslims condemn terror publicly because
'moderate muslims condemn terrorists as unIslamic and immoral'
doesnt sell papers like
'all muslims want to stap explosives to themselves and blow us up whe we are on trains/planes/portacabins'
Its not that they dont condemn it, Its just that no one is listening!
(and also many think that they shouldnt have to aplologise and condemn something they feel has nothing to do with them.After all we didnt expect every catholic to say sorry for the omagh bomings, or condemn the IRA at every minute of the day, because we knew it had nothing to do with the moderate majority of catholics.This is another case of people being afraid of something they dont undersant(eg islam)(this is either cos it hasnt be explained or they havent bothered to find out about it!)

Wow! In before the reply but I got it in the quote. Good timing!

And I was just going to http://www.bka.de/ to check...

I mean, naming you kid Jihad is sort of a bad omen, ain't it?

I don't know any Holy War Millers or Crusade Thompsons...

But it's true that the masses are easily stirred up by something like a stupid cartoon, and when it comes to humans, infidels or not, one rarely sees anything on the news, which is pretty sad.

Jihad is supposed to mean(or at least this is how it is interpreted by most muslims)a personal war waged against your inner(or outer eg tempation) demons.

Jihad is supposed to mean(or at least this is how it is interpreted by most muslims)a personal war waged against your inner(or outer eg tempation) demons.

Yes, if you reallly want get into semantics, but calling your kid "Struggle" or Jihad after 9/11 is stupidity in the extreme, how would that kid get a job??

I've had it with these threads about Muslims/Christians/etc.

All child molesters are criminals.