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I can't find a link for this but i'll tell you whats going on:

A charity (quite a large on in england) is getting closed down, the reason? The head of this charity said, in one of his tapes that he records and releases to the public (not related to his charity), that Christianity is superior to Islam. That was only a small part of the tape, which mainly talks about current would affairs.

Now i think this is going to far, because:

1. They could at least change the management, a whole charity shouldn't have to close down for the action of one man.

2. There is such a thing as free speech, the man should be allowed to say what he wants as long as it doesn't affect his work. I think it's hard to believe that Christians will think that Islam is equal to their religion, thats like saying you should think left wing beliefs equal right wing beliefs. (If you believe one thing, you are going to think that something that contradicts that belief is inferior.)

Now, i know this because my dad has links with the charity and I saw an article printed off from somewhere about it. If you don't believe it, just think of it as a hypothetical and answer anyway.

Edit: The charity is funded or helped somehow by the government, which gives it the power to close it down.

Poll coming.

way, WAY, WAY too far the most they should be able to do is force him to make an apology well, not even that I don't think he should be punished at all

way, WAY, WAY too far the most they should be able to do is force him to make an apology well, not even that I don't think he should be punished at all

Thankyou, so i'm not being a racist bigot then.

The head of this charity said, in one of his tapes that he records and releases to the public (not related to his charity), that Christianity is superior to Islam. That was only a small part of the tape, which mainly talks about current would affairs.

Now i think this is going to far, because:

1. They could at least change the management, a whole charity shouldn't have to close down for the action of one man.

2. There is such a thing as free speech, the man should be allowed to say what he wants as long as it doesn't affect his work. I think it's hard to believe that Christians will think that Islam is equal to their religion, thats like saying you should think left wing beliefs equal right wing beliefs. (If you believe one thing, you are going to think that something that contradicts that belief is inferior.)

Now, i know this because my dad has links with the charity and I saw an article printed off from somewhere about it. If you don't believe it, just think of it as a hypothetical and answer anyway.

Poll coming.

Surely there could be a conflict of interests seen here? It might affect his work as he is the head of the charity in question.

(Devil's advocate- nothing more or less)

Surely there could be a conflict of interests seen here? It might affect his work as he is the head of the charity in question.

(Devil's advocate- nothing more or less)

I can see how a some people might not be happy about him being the head, but that doesn't mean they should close down the charity. If it causes a problem, they should just sack the manager.

I can see how a some people might not be happy about him being the head, but that doesn't mean they should close down the charity. If it causes a problem, they should just sack the manager.
True, thats a good point. Maybe they were being 'preventative' I don't know. *shrug*

Kinda hard to make a judgment with no link ;) If you find it, do oblige :)

Thankyou, so i'm not being a racist bigot then.

no, and I'm the first one to run to the defense of Islam from.....other....threads, anyway just saying one religion is better than the other is not Illegal or even unethical, I wouldn't support investigating a muslim who says islam is better than christianity so why would I go for such a double standard?

if he was saying some racial epithets, or advocating something Illegal(like genocide) then I can see sacking him

Surely there could be a conflict of interests seen here? It might affect his work as he is the head of the charity in question.

(Devil's advocate- nothing more or less)

Surely it doesn't matter? How the charity chooses to dispense its resources is not a matter for the government to decide. Of course, if it receives government funding or assistance, as some charities do I believe, then it wouldn't be unreasonable for the government to withdraw that should the charity be seen to be deliberately prejudiced against Muslims.


Or something like that - I hope you understand what I actually meant there, because I get the feeling it all came out a tad muddled :D

True, thats a good point. Maybe they were being 'preventative' I don't know. *shrug*

Kinda hard to make a judgment with no link ;) If you find it, do oblige :)

The problem is, i don't know the name of the charity, so the search comes up with thousands of different charities. My parents know the name but they are asleep.

what charity is this Christian salvation?

I say they shouldn't close the charity (seriously close a charity WTF!) the charity should however demand the guys resignation for putting the lives of aid workers in danger

what charity is this Christian salvation?

I say they shouldn't close the charity (seriously close a charity WTF!) the charity should however demand the guys resignation for putting the lives of aid workers in danger

How so?

They shouldn't really have done much and he should have been allowed to voice his opinion.

Problem is - was he speaking as a private person or did he do the talking in his position and role as the head of the charity? I can see a difference there.

How so?

some extremists might not take to kindly to a group who they think is about Christian superiority and such

They shouldn't really have done much and he should have been allowed to voice his opinion.

Problem is - was he speaking as a private person or did he do the talking in his position and role as the head of the charity? I can see a difference there.

He wasn't voicing for his charity, he releases tapes from his personal website I think which are basicly just far right rants.

I think people should be given more leeway in criticism of religion. When all's said and done, it's only a bunch of ideas and not all ideas are equally valid. And the belief that one's own religion is superior is more or less the hallmark of religion anyway.

And anyway, and I appreciate this is a bit of an over-generalisation, it seems like many of the prominent Muslim charities dispense aid solely to other muslims in need, somewhat suggesting that this belief in the superiority of their own religion is inherent in the charity itself, never mind being the privately expressed belief of its manager.

He wasn't voicing for his charity, he releases tapes from his personal website I think which are basicly just far right rants.
Mmh. Now if his rants somehow fall back not only on him but on the charity as well and thus cast a damning light on the charity there's a problem.
And the public usually isn't very good in differentiating between private person and official position when it's the same guy. Some degree of self-restraint would tremendously help.

Mmh. Now if his rants somehow fall back not only on him but on the charity as well and thus cast a damning light on the charity there's a problem.
And the public usually isn't very good in differentiating between private person and official position when it's the same guy. Some degree of self-restraint would tremendously help.

To be honest, i cant see many people getting annoyed about what he said.

He's free to be an elitist pig (aren't most religious and anti-religious groups?) as long as his charity abides by non-prophet ( :p ) Guidelines.

the charity should support is leader and ditch its government support. no religion or religious organization should compromise its beliefs just to suck government tit.