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Just in time for ITLAP - International Talk-Like-A-Pirate Day! September 19th.

EDIT: Whoa....how did I do that?

Yes, it is true and a sad day fer all ye mateys out there - Sharia law for buccaneers!

"Somalia's Islamist militia has taken control of a major base of piracy north of Mogadishu. The waters off the Horn of Africa has long been a dangerous region for shipping. Now, the militants said they will put an end to the seaborne threat."

Full article:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,433233,00.html

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Disclaimer: This picture doesn't really have much to do with the article in this thread - but ain't it nice? http://blackpage.de/idisk/avaico/pirate_smiley.gif

I'm really not sure whether I'm really fond of this development - it seems it's only bad guys trading blows and switching places?

Feel free to state your opinions and please share your answARRs!

I'll be back tomorrow for I will now hit my berth.

Just in time for ITLAP - International Talk-Like-A-Pirate Day! September 19th.

EDIT: Whoa....how did I do that?
Hey! I'm the Captain here, I started the thread, and I get to have first post! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/sailing.gif

Now get down there or you'll wander off the plank for mutany! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/shark.gif

Just in time for ITLAP - International Talk-Like-A-Pirate Day! September 19th.

EDIT: Whoa....how did I do that?
Damned time warps!

Hey! I'm the Captain here, I started the thread, and I get to have first post! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/sailing.gif

Now get down there or you'll wander off the plank for mutany! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/shark.gif

I like your cool nautical smilies! :)

Pirates vs Ninjas!

My family of Pirates -- we prefer to be called Buccaneer-Americans -- was killed by Ninjas. I need money for Kung-Fu lessons.

I'm not really comfortable about getting into specifics that might help the rest of the ninjas find and dispose of me, but this July our annual family reunion barbecue was attacked by no less than a hellswarm of ninjas madly bent on wiping us out. I'm talking about a metric A**LOAD of ninjas. We fought bravely from the tree lined field with tables of food and burned DVDs to the lake and the rental ship. (We only rent ships occasionally, for nostalgic purposes. We have an ancestral War Galleon docked in Scotland, however.)

etc etc etc




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Damned time warps!
Tell me about it! (And let's please not do the frigging time warp again! I hate that song with passion.)
I like your cool nautical smilies! :)
Aye. :D
Pirates vs Ninjas!
Yeah, pirates vs. ninjas - and the islamists win by taking over after the other two have decimated their numbers.

Anyway - back on topic:

For years, Operation Enduring Freedom has had warships patrolling the area around the Horn of Africa, and while I'm glad that the Somalians finally decided to step up to the challenge of piracy which has been disrupting the international aid shipments for years - I have to say I'm not happy to see the Sharia being enforced.

What's your take on that?

um OP
gone crazy!!!:confused:
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i'm going to a pirate party tomorrow. should be fun.

um OP
gone crazy!!!:confused:
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Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?

Yes, it is true and a sad day fer all ye mateys out there - Sharia law for buccaneers!

"Somalia's Islamist militia has taken control of a major base of piracy north of Mogadishu. The waters off the Horn of Africa has long been a dangerous region for shipping. Now, the militants said they will put an end to the seaborne threat."
These Islamists are broad social organizations...

Though I do not agree with the Shari'a (different interpretations do exist, mind you), these Islamic courts are a reaction to the banditry and lawlessness in the country... They have support in the population and we should not feel too worried by them

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?
Exactly.
You started the topic right?:confused:

Exactly.
You started the topic right?:confused:
Yes. And you went http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Haxor.gif

Way to go.

A witty comment or no reply at all would have sufficed.

I'm simply a little worried that the Somalians are simply trading one evil with another - how that triggered your kind of reaction is beyond me.

Yeah, pirates vs. ninjas - and the islamists win by taking over after the other two have decimated their numbers.

Anyway - back on topic:



Sorry when I saw the thread it was about ITALP day. I didnt know you were the true OP.

These Islamists are broad social organizations...

Though I do not agree with the Shari'a (different interpretations do exist, mind you), these Islamic courts are a reaction to the banditry and lawlessness in the country... They have support in the population and we should not feel too worried by them
Well, seems like a vicious circle to me: Poverty and starvation -> piracy -> more poverty and starvation -> more pirates etc.

And how the Sharia is going to change the original problems of Somalia is what I was getting at.

Well, seems like a viscious circle to me: Poverty and starvation -> piracy -> more poverty and starvation -> more pirates etc.

And how the Sharia is going to change the original problems of Somalia is what I was getting at.


One of the things missing in this society is law...

These Islamic courts offer that... Many rather live in a society with strick laws than in a lawless society where the right of the strong (warlords) prevail and the others suffer.

For the common people it is an improvement...

One of the things missing in this society is law...

These Islamic courts offer that... Many rather live in a society with strick laws than in a lawless society where the right of the strong (warlords) prevail and the others suffer.

For the common people it is an improvement...
You have a very valid point there and I'm glad that you are giving it a thought.

The other thing I was wondering about is the apparent ineffectiveness of those nations who have warships patrolling the area (Germany included) and that they seem to not be able to help establish at least some sort of security in the region.

It's just that I can't help the feeling that things are only going to another extreme instead of really improving the overall situation of the Somali population. Guess only time will tell whether this change of approach is really what one can hope it would be.

You have a very valid point there and I'm glad that you are giving it a thought.
Thanx, you posed a good and serious question, I appreciate that
The other thing I was wondering about is the apparent ineffectiveness of those nations who have warships patrolling the area (Germany included) and that they seem to not be able to help establish at least some sort of security in the region.
I reckon there are many hiding places in the region, it is a huge sea, and the pirate ships are fast and small. Moreover ships only patrol at sea not in the mainland.
It's just that I can't help the feeling that things are only going to another extreme instead of really improving the overall situation of the Somali population. Guess only time will tell whether this change of approach is really what one can hope it would be
You might be right...
I guess it depends on other factors, which we might control. Currently the warlords are being given military support by the US, against these Shari'a courts that have popular support.

First, this is unwise for it may well make these Islamic movements more militant and opposed to the West

Second, note that the US is now supporting the same warlords that have dragged the bodies of US soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu...:rolleyes:
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Thanx, you posed a good and serious question, I appreciate that

I reckon there are many hiding places in the region, it is a huge sea, and the pirate ships are fast and small. Moreover ships only patrol at sea not in the mainland.

You might be right...
I guess it depends on other factors, which we might control. Currently the warlords are being given military support by the US, against these Shari'a courts that have popular support.

First, this is unwise for it may well make these Islamic movements more militant and opposed to the West

Second, note that the US is now supporting the same warlords that have dragged the bodies of US soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu...:rolleyes:
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Thank you!

Yes, probably the main reason why they could be so effective in the first place - I mean, the ocean is a big place and no matter how many ships you put on patrol, it ain't easy to be everywhere at the same time.

They are? Now that's simply stupid and will most definitely not improve the overall situation at all. :(
How come that it's so hard for the US to make sound and "right" decisions ever once in a while that would not have the effect of biting them in the ass once they look the other way?

(Have any links on that at hand? I'd be interested to read some more.)

With all the medications available - why don't they finally take something against the short attention span? :p

With all the medications available - why don't they finally take something against the short attention span? :p

Allergies? :p

Allergies? :p
Probably some wacko religious reason? [Tom C. is a shining example...]

They are? Now that's simply stupid and will most definitely not improve the overall situation at all. :(
How come that it's so hard for the US to make sound and "right" decisions ever once in a while that would not have the effect of biting them in the ass once they look the other way?

(Have any links on that at hand? I'd be interested to read some more.)

On the Islamic courts

BBC article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5051220.stm)

On US involvement
“U.S. officials have refused repeated requests to provide details about the nature and extent of their support for the coalition of warlords, which calls itself the Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism in what some Somalis say is a marketing ploy to get U.S. support.”Many of the warlords have their own agendas, Somali officials said, and some reportedly fought against the United States in 1993 during street battles that culminated in an attack that downed two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters and left 18 Army Rangers."
“A senior U.S. intelligence official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was a "Hobbesian" situation -- that the transitional government operating from Kenya was in its "fifteenth iteration" and that it, too, was a "collection of warlords" that played both sides of the fence. The official said that it presented a classic "enemy of our enemy" situation.
The source said Somalia was "not an al-Qaeda safe haven" yet, adding, "There are some there, but it's so dysfunctional." U.S. officials specifically believe that a small number of al-Qaeda operatives who were involved in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania are now residing in Somalia.
Analysts said they were convinced the Bush administration was backing the warlords as part of its global war against terrorism.”Washington post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601625_pf.html[/url])

they are merely news sources but still...

'Tis be a sad day for all pirates me hearties... :(

On the Islamic courts

BBC article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5051220.stm)

On US involvement

Washington post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601625_pf.html[/url])

they are merely news sources but still...
Thank you very much, appreciate it! I hope you didn't have to go through too much trouble finding those links. Took me a while to read through them and it leaves a very ambiguous feeling about the whole situation.

(For some odd reason I cannot pinpoint the two links don't work on Firefox 1.5.0.6 - but they show up on IE 6.0.2800.1106 - somehow Firefox does that a lot after the last update, same goes for copy/paste and navigational clicks while browsing... :confused: )

Thank you very much, appreciate it! I hope you didn't have to go through too much trouble finding those links. Took me a while to read through them and it leaves a very ambiguous feeling about the whole situation. [...]


Yeah, the US could better reduce future threat by accepting that they cannot change everything...

These organisations are not enemies (yet)...

Yar....

Yar....
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You were saying?

Islam and piracy are not mutually exclusive. Muslim pirates, like the Barbary pirates raided ships, held their crews for ransom and took slaves from Europe for sale in the middle east where light-skinned women and children brought in a hefty price.

Islam and piracy are not mutually exclusive. Muslim pirates, like the Barbary pirates raided ships, held their crews for ransom and took slaves from Europe for sale in the middle east where light-skinned women and children brought in a hefty price.

You are right, there have been pirates from many cultures and religions..

But that is not the issue, these courts do consider piracy to be unlawfull and will likely act upon it.

You are right, there have been pirates from many cultures and religions..

But that is not the issue, these courts do consider piracy to be unlawfull and will likely act upon it.
Oh, well there goes that pirate tradition.

Oh, well there goes that pirate tradition.
Yeah - along the lines "Drink up me hearties, yo ho, for tomorrow the law outrules drinking completely"?

Anyway, I don't see how replacing one rule of force with another is going to achieve much, especially not with the US forcing their interests into the equasion.

Yes. And you went http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Haxor.gif

Way to go.

A witty comment or no reply at all would have sufficed.

I'm simply a little worried that the Somalians are simply trading one evil with another - how that triggered your kind of reaction is beyond me.

I was all out of witty comments for the day.
The latter is not an option.

I sure do have an opinion on the Pirate matter but i felt like expressing my feelings on a forum error as being more important at the time.:)

I was all out of witty comments for the day.
The latter is not an option.

I sure do have an opinion on the Pirate matter but i felt like expressing my feelings on a forum error as being more important at the time.:)
Arrkay http://www.mytreasurespot.com/spot/forums/smiley/skull.gif :)

As far as i was concerned it was Somali Muslims running the pirate show, all i see is them putting on a show saying they have expelled the pirates but actually they are the pirates themselves.
Nothing has changed.

Aarrrgh!