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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2145374,00.html
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Griesbaum said officials have concrete evidence that the suspect was supported by a terror organization and that efforts are being made to find the other members of the group, according to the Web site of German news magazine Der Spiegel.

The two suspects were captured on security footage shortly before the bombs were planted last monthBildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The two suspects were captured on security footage shortly before the bombs were planted last month

The bombs, made with propane tanks and crude detonating devices, failed to go off but authorities say they would have killed a large number of people if they had detonated.

So, would you like the officials to reveal exactly what evidence they have?
Or, would you like them to keep quiet until after the trial?
Or, would you like them to release these two suspects, because there's obviously zero evidence against them?

Aside from surveillance video, and the bombs themselves (not penis pumps in this case), authorities say they have "concrete" evidence. Do you think that's bullshit, or do you think it's real? Or will you wait?

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2145374,00.html
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So, would you like the officials to reveal exactly what evidence they have?
Or, would you like them to keep quiet until after the trial?
Or, would you like them to release these two suspects, because there's obviously zero evidence against them?

Aside from surveillance video, and the bombs themselves (not penis pumps in this case), authorities say they have "concrete" evidence. Do you think that's bullshit, or do you think it's real? Or will you wait?

Obviously they should prosecute the two suspects. Whether or not there's a terror organization behind them, the fact that they were planning to commit acts of terrorism seems to be fairly open and shut. Therefore, there's not really any need to endanger what I hope and assume is an ongoing investigation by bringing that evidence up in court. Obviously that evidence needs to be revealed before anybody can be prosecuted because of it however.

Or were you looking for an answer more like...

It's all an Amerikan government plot to justify an invasion of Lebanon! The two so called 'suspects' should be immediately freed, and given the highest honors available for the travesty that's been commited against them. The arresting officers should be strung up by their genitals, as they are clearly Nazi pigdogs.

Or were you looking for an answer more like...

It's all an Amerikan government plot to justify an invasion of Lebanon! The two so called 'suspects' should be immediately freed, and given the highest honors available for the travesty that's been commited against them. The arresting officers should be strung up by their genitals, as they are clearly Nazi pigdogs.

Sooner or later, someone will say that. Just wait. The usual thing I hear is that the police are fuckups, and they don't have any evidence, because if they did, they would say what it is, but that would prejudice the jury, so release them, because it's all just a police fuckup.

Do you own stock in hay farms, Deep Kimchi? Because you sure burn up a lot of straw men.

Do you own stock in hay farms, Deep Kimchi? Because you sure burn up a lot of straw men.

Straw=/=Hay

Do you own stock in hay farms, Deep Kimchi? Because you sure burn up a lot of straw men.

Like these, who actually exist?

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,433083,00.html

Who planted the bombs on German trains? Depends who you ask. Many Muslims in Germany think it's a government conspiracy. Just like with Sept. 11. And London....

Many Muslim immigrants have interesting theories to explain the world.

This just in: The Lebanese men suspected of having deposited bombs on German trains last month were hired hands -- in the employ of the German government itself.

That, at least, is what one 27-year-old from Saudi Arabia believes. "It's all a Protestant crusade," the man explains. "All of northern Germany is Protestant, isn't it? And so is President Bush." Then the man launches into a melange of confusing arguments and historical facts. The bubonic plague, Martin Luther and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl all make a cameo. It's all connected somehow, the man is sure of it.

The young Saudi Arabian's views may make little sense from a Western point of view, but you can meet him and talk to him at a street corner in the middle of Hamburg, right by the central station. Foreigners from all over the world live in this neighborhood, called St. Georg, and a large number of them are Muslim. Several mosques have been built in the neighborhood. Many nearby stores carry no alcohol -- but they do have electronic memory aides for Koran students on offer.

And then there are the conspiracy theories. They are everywhere -- dozens of them -- including some to explain away Germany's recent terror scare. The others -- some mutually contradictory -- have pat explanations for what's really going on in the world.

The Saudi Arabian's crusade theory is being hotly debated on Steindamm, one of the main streets in the neighborhood. "It's not about religion, it's about money," says an Algerian wearing a Lacoste shirt. A man from Tunisia immediately agrees and asks, "Why else have German soldiers been sent to Congo?"

In their struggle for money and oil, Western states will use whatever means they can, according to the theory. That the USA knew about the September 11, 2001 attacks before they happened but chose not to prevent them is a widespread view. "We think the United States needed those attacks so they could start the Iraq war," explains Mahran Abdulwahab, a Lebanese graphic designer with a Hamburg accent.

:rolleyes:

Meh, let the government deal with it. They know what they're doing.

Meh, let the government deal with it. They know what they're doing.

Ahahahahahaha! Hehehehee! Hooohoo!

You are funny. :)

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2145374,00.html
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#1 So, would you like the officials to reveal exactly what evidence they have?
#2 Or, would you like them to keep quiet until after the trial?
#3 Or, would you like them to release these two suspects, because there's obviously zero evidence against them?

Aside from surveillance video, and the bombs themselves (not penis pumps in this case), authorities say they have "concrete" evidence. Do you think that's bullshit, or do you think it's real? Or will you wait?
While I would like to be informed as much as possible on the case (and the federal police did hold an hour-long press conference this afternoon answering most of the question I had so far) I can certainly understand when they don't report on everything they have established so far.

I mean, in other cases, how often did the news report that there was not a single trace of some criminals - only to present them caught and locked up only shortly thereafter? It's a known method.

They have revealed some evidence so far. For example, the police have found fingerprints and DNA traces in and on the suitcases and bombs within which perfectly match those of the suspects; while searching the suspects' residences they found duct tape and cables used to build the bombs; they have also found receipts for the filling of the gas cylinders which were supposed to detonate.

The first suspect has been arrested in Germany after our federal police cooperated with Lebaneses security/intelligence services (they gave us a hint due to phone calls because they have been monitoring some people in Lebanon) and the second suspect has been arrested in Lebanon.
Federal police officers have already travelled to Lebanon to question the suspect and authorities are working on a diplomatic solution to get that second suspect flown to Germany.

So, while I of course would like to see #1 put through completely, I understand that due to procedural restraints some information has to be withheld (#2).
I would only opt for choice #3 if there was no evidence whatsoever (no video tapes, no DNA traces, no strange connections etc.) because that is how our juridical system works: Innocent until proven guilty by trial. I'm glad that Germany does not resort to anything like the Guantanamo concentration camp.

IMHO, option 2 is the best.

We shouldn't have to prove the case before court even starts. I hate people who insist on proving the case in the press and demanding the release if the authorities don't let it play out in the press.

Publish the court transcripts after the trial is over. Let there be witnesses at the trial (reporters, for instance).

Ahahahahahaha! Hehehehee! Hooohoo!

You are funny. :)
We're not talking about the US government here. It's ours. So, laugh all you want. I do believe our police really knows what they are doing.

Sooner or later, someone will say that. Just wait. The usual thing I hear is that the police are fuckups, and they don't have any evidence, because if they did, they would say what it is, but that would prejudice the jury, so release them, because it's all just a police fuckup.
The German juridical system does not always include jurors, BTW!

The German juridical system does not always include jurors, BTW!
I remember. I lived there for two years.

I remember. I lived there for two years.
While you have had that (hopefully pleasant) experience and carry that knowledge, others might not be as well informed, eh?

While you have had that (hopefully pleasant) experience and carry that knowledge, others might not be as well informed, eh?
It struck me as a very orderly, very law abiding place.

I also learned that you don't fuck with the police there. They ignore you unless you really do something to arouse their suspicions, and then they take an EXTREME interest in you.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2145374,00.html
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It's all a lie.

Happy?

It struck me as a very orderly, very law abiding place.

I also learned that you don't fuck with the police there. They ignore you unless you really do something to arouse their suspicions, and then they take an EXTREME interest in you.
Yup. I see you have been to Germany indeed. :p

Hell, have you ever seen people waiting for the lights at the pedestrian crossing to turn green at 03:00? I have, and I have been one of them (unless, of course, there really is nobody around). :D

But you know, a friend of mine lost his newly aquired driver's license (always have 2 years of probation for driving n00bs in which you mustn't commit any driving felony) because he stopped at a red light in the middle of the night, waited, it didn't turn green - and when he finally decided to go anyway, he got pulled over by some really bored cops...

Oh - and I found another link:

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,433382,00.html

"... The Süddeutsche Zeitung reported that anti-terror experts had found plenty of evidence in Hamad's apartment in Cologne, including wiring, unfinished detonators and explosive materials. ... 'There will be no confirmation or denial regarding what was found in the Cologne apartment,' a spokesman for Germany's Federal Crime Office (BKA) said. But BKA President Jörg Ziercke said there was 'certainty' that Hajdib and Hamad 'worked and planned this deed together.' ..."