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You remember Jessica Lynch. Captured in Iraq and was heroicly rescued by U.S. troops, turned into a national icon and gave much needed positive propaganda of an already unpopular war. Showed us yet again how the media loves to manipulate things and made us all sick of her story. Course she got lots of attention and she took advantage with many interviews.

Now she is pregnant. Big news eh? I tell you I totally forgot she existed until I saw this article. You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14498754/

You remember Jessica Lynch. Captured in Iraq and was heroicly rescued by U.S. troops, turned into a national icon and gave much needed positive propaganda of an already unpopular war. Showed us yet again how the media loves to manipulate things and made us all sick of her story. Course she got lots of attention and she took advantage with many interviews.

Now she is pregnant. Big news eh? I tell you I totally forgot she existed until I saw this article. You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14498754/

Well propaganda is the right word, since nothing happened the way it was reported.

You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?

People ever did?

Please note that not all overly religious people are nuts....some are fruity!:D

You remember Jessica Lynch. Captured in Iraq and was heroicly rescued by U.S. troops, turned into a national icon and gave much needed positive propaganda of an already unpopular war. Showed us yet again how the media loves to manipulate things and made us all sick of her story. Course she got lots of attention and she took advantage with many interviews.

Now she is pregnant. Big news eh? I tell you I totally forgot she existed until I saw this article. You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14498754/


I don't actually remember her. Was she the religious nut?

If I recall correctly, this is her second child. So what?

You remember Jessica Lynch. Captured in Iraq and was heroicly rescued by U.S. troops, turned into a national icon and gave much needed positive propaganda of an already unpopular war. Showed us yet again how the media loves to manipulate things and made us all sick of her story. Course she got lots of attention and she took advantage with many interviews.

Now she is pregnant. Big news eh? I tell you I totally forgot she existed until I saw this article. You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14498754/

i hope you are being ironic with the 'heroically rescued' bit....

i hope you are being ironic with the 'heroically rescued' bit....

I did a double take to make sure DesignatedMarksman hadn't posted this tripe.

this thread is useless without pics

You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?

Hehe ...

So ... Jessica Lynch panders to the cameras and it's media exploitation. Cindy Sheehan does it and she's an attention whore.

How delightful!

Hehe ...

So ... Jessica Lynch panders to the cameras and it's media exploitation. Cindy Sheehan does it and she's an attention whore.

How delightful!

Yes, but who would you rather have sex with?

i hope you are being ironic with the 'heroically rescued' bit....

Absolutely. It is not as if there was some dramatic firefight getting her out. As I recall the Iraqis had abandoned where she was being held. Not that the propaganda machine would let us believe that. An "amazing rescue" you know. And the way the media hyped it up and as I understand it, exaggerated her injuries... I'm sure they were taking advantage of a "woman injured in combat". After all supposively we should feel more if a woman is injured or killed right? Save the women and children still applies even in the West. Gave the Jessica Lynch thing legs in my opinion.

Yes, but who would you rather have sex with?

Hrmmmm ..... well I've met Sheehan and she smells nice and has very soft hands ...

Tough call. Maybe both in a three-way?

I forgot she existed as well...

Hehe ...

So ... Jessica Lynch panders to the cameras and it's media exploitation. Cindy Sheehan does it and she's an attention whore.

How delightful!


I think both ladies are actually unwitting tools being used by others.

I think both ladies are actually unwitting tools being used by others.

Agreed.

Hrmmmm ..... well I've met Sheehan and she smells nice and has very soft hands ...




Uh...come on,man- soft hands and nice smells are both a plus, but a little more is needed, dont you think?

Hrmmmm ..... well I've met Sheehan and she smells nice and has very soft hands ...

Tough call. Maybe both in a three-way?
Sorry, Sheehan is an ugly bag of shit. No way I could keep an erection there - there isn't enough Viagra in the world to make that happen.

On the other hand:

http://w3f.com/patriots/jessica-lynch2.jpg

not bad at all...

Sorry, Sheehan is an ugly bag of shit.

Awww ... she's not so bad.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/Protest015_0001.jpg

Uh...come on,man- soft hands and nice smells are both a plus, but a little more is needed, dont you think?

Meh ... turn off the lights.

Absolutely. It is not as if there was some dramatic firefight getting her out. As I recall the Iraqis had abandoned where she was being held. Not that the propaganda machine would let us believe that. An "amazing rescue" you know. And the way the media hyped it up and as I understand it, exaggerated her injuries... I'm sure they were taking advantage of a "woman injured in combat". After all supposively we should feel more if a woman is injured or killed right? Save the women and children still applies even in the West. Gave the Jessica Lynch thing legs in my opinion.

All it proves to me is that women have no place anywhere near a combat zone.

All it proves to me is that women have no place anywhere near a combat zone.

How exactly?

Awww ... she's not so bad.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/Protest015_0001.jpg
*barfs*

All it proves to me is that women have no place anywhere near a combat zone.

It is not our fault that the media can play up the "injured woman" bit. She was a clerk anyway not a combat soldier. I suppose you can serve your country heroically as a desk pilot. :p

It is not our fault that the media can play up the "injured woman" bit. She was a clerk anyway not a combat soldier. I suppose you can serve your country heroically as a desk pilot. :p

She was a mechanic.

She was a mechanic.

What does her job have to do with her being near a combat zone, and how you think they shouldn't be?


Are men incapable of getting captured and used as a media campaign? 'Cause I got some fair compelling evidence says otherwise.

How exactly?

Because of the entire 507th Maintenance Company that was all but wiped out the only one who mounted anything approaching effective resistance was a male. It is well documented that the average woman simply can not perform in most combat roles with anything approaching effectiveness. That is fact despite whatever garbage feminist groups spew.

What does her job have to do with her being near a combat zone, and how you think they shouldn't be?

Are men incapable of getting captured and used as a media campaign? 'Cause I got some fair compelling evidence says otherwise.

Men can be raped, too. A fair number of male prisoners over history have been raped after capture, so you can't make the argument "well, women don't belong in combat because they could be raped if captured..."

Because of the entire 507th Maintenance Company that was all but wiped out the only one who mounted anything approaching effective resistance was a male. It is well documented that the average woman simply can not perform in most combat roles with anything approaching effectiveness. That is fact despite whatever garbage feminist groups spew.

Spoken like a man who's never seen a woman truely pissed, and armed.

What does her job have to do with her being near a combat zone, and how you think they shouldn't be?


Are men incapable of getting captured and used as a media campaign? 'Cause I got some fair compelling evidence says otherwise.

Women shouldn't be in forward support units near combat zones. I really can't make sense out of the first part of your post but I think that answers it.

Four male soldiers were all captured at the same time, male POWs have nowhere near the PR value as female ones so that's why they were all but ignored. Had the 507th not been forced to adopt watered down combat policies forced on units all over the Army in order to accomodate female soldiers, they wouldn't have been overrun. Of course if they knew how to read a map they wouldn't have gotten lost either.

Women shouldn't be in forward support units near combat zones. I really can't make sense out of the first part of your post but I think that answers it.

Four male soldiers were all captured at the same time, male POWs have nowhere near the PR value as female ones so that's why they were all but ignored. Had the 507th not been forced to adopt watered down combat policies forced on units all over the Army in order to accomodate female soldiers, they wouldn't have been overrun. Of course if they knew how to read a map they wouldn't have gotten lost either.


So a half dozen guys with at best 9 mm side arms are supposed to hold off a dozen men armed with kalishakovs and rocket launchers? And the only reason these Rambo-esque men failed in their duty was they were too distracted by the lovely jugs on Ms. Lynch?

Spoken like a man who's never seen a woman truely pissed, and armed.

yeah, it is not as if a gun cares who pulls the trigger. You are going to be just as dead.

Men can be raped, too. A fair number of male prisoners over history have been raped after capture, so you can't make the argument "well, women don't belong in combat because they could be raped if captured..."

Escept nobody's making that argument. My argument is that they belong in combat because they are incapable of being effective in combat roles, doesn't mean they can't do lots of support jobs, just not combat ones.

Spoken like a man who's never seen a woman truely pissed, and armed.
He's also neglecting the fact that most of the males in the maintenance unit had allowed their weapons to rust into inoperability, because they weren't arsed enough to clean them.

He's also neglecting the fact that most of the males in the maintenance unit had allowed their weapons to rust into inoperability, because they weren't arsed enough to clean them.

That's a symptom of the piss poor culture in Army support units that set in during the 90s. Thankfully, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have forced the Army to finally whip support units into shape across the board.

That's a symptom of the piss poor culture in Army support units that set in during the 90s. Thankfully, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have forced the Army to finally whip support units into shape across the board.

Hopefully starting with a map reading course.

Hopefully starting with a map reading course.
Or, "how to use a fucking GPS that we pre-programmed your route into"

So a half dozen guys with at best 9 mm side arms are supposed to hold off a dozen men armed with kalishakovs and rocket launchers? And the only reason these Rambo-esque men failed in their duty was they were too distracted by the lovely jugs on Ms. Lynch?
Actually, they had M-16s, a SAW, and a few M-203s.

Most of them were inoperable.

Hopefully starting with a map reading course.

Land nav is standard in Basic Training, but the problem lots of support units didn't continue to practice it in an organized manner.

Actually, they had M-16s, a SAW, and a few M-203s.

Most of them were inoperable.


if thats true, its disgraceful

Land nav is standard in Basic Training, but the problem lots of support units didn't continue to practice it in an organized manner.

Bullshit.

The CO had a GPS, which had the route pre-programmed into it.

If you can't follow a damned GPS, you shouldn't be allowed outside.

if thats true, its disgraceful
Completely true.

Bullshit.

The CO had a GPS, which had the route pre-programmed into it.

If you can't follow a damned GPS, you shouldn't be allowed outside.

Except the unit ambushed was a trail element that got seperated from the main convoy and couldn't figure out where they were. Lot of good the commander's GPS does when you can't talk to him.

Except the unit ambushed was a trail element that got seperated from the main convoy and couldn't figure out where they were. Lot of good the commander's GPS does when you can't talk to him.
That's element #2 - he left them behind on purpose, and knew he was leaving them behind, and didn't stay to lead and protect them.

Fucker.

Completely true.

My last AT was specifically to train support units in BCT again. Land Nav, IED reaction, weapons training, communications, etc.
It's a big push right now.

http://www.sftt.us/PDF/article07102003a.pdf

The whole after action report on the 507th.

FIRST: The report references the "single navigation error" referred to on page 1. Then on page 4 it states -- "The Operations Officer of the 3d FSB gave CPT ----, the commander of the 507th, a CD-ROM disc that contained orders and route information. Route information consisted of the battalion orders and annotated large-scale maps." Again, on page 4 it goes on -- "(See FIGURE 1 -- Note the map from the brief did not have Routes and Objectives annotated for clarity). CPT ---- had highlighted only ROUTE BLUE on the annotated map, and believed in error that BLUE was his assigned route." Finally, on page 8 it states -- "Believing ROUTE BLUE was his assigned route, CPT ---- led his convoy through the intersection and headed north on Highway 8, towards An Nasiriyah in the general direction indicated by his GPS receiver."

This leads to a simple QUESTION: Did company leaders UNDERSTAND the mission scheme and correct route -- when they crossed into Iraq on this mission? In short, on page 2 it indicates -- since this was a military "advance historically unprecedented for speed of execution and depth of penetration, designed to unhinge the Iraqis' ability to mount a coherent defense" -- DID company leaders understand and HAVE ORDERS for the entire route?" OR -- were orders and route directions BEING CHANGED -- as this advance proceeded and combat actions developed in-route?

SECOND: Another noticeable point -- was the large number of WEAPON FAILURES. QUESTION: Did this small company unit, its individual soldiers, plus assigned leaders -- fail to ensure and perform "preventive maintenance" daily on their weapons? From pages 6 and 7 one gets the impression -- that this unit DID DEVOTE a SUPER HUMAN EFFORT to its recovery tasks. But, did these recovery tasks consume so much time -- that weapons "preventive maintenance" was ignored, or even simply not performed?

THIRD: On page 2 it states -- "there were 33 U.S. Soldiers in the 18-vehicle convoy." Math-wise -- 18 vehicles divided into 33 people -- equals about 1.8 soldiers per vehicle. Since most of these were large truck vehicles requiring full driver attention -- that would reasonably appear to leave only about ONE effective "full-time" fighting gun per MOVING vehicle. In addition, on page 3 it states -- "however, all pyrotechnics, hand grenades, and AT-4 Anti-tank weapons were consolidated and secured." This leads to the QUESTION: Were these soldiers EVEN ALLOWED to have these additional items at hand and ready for their OWN DEFENSE?

FOUR: A line on page 10 states -- "Realizing that he was off the convoy route, he instructed his Soldiers to 'lock and load" their weapons and be vigilant." QUESTION: Is this the FIRST TIME rounds were chambered into weapons after crossing into Iraq?

i hope you are being ironic with the 'heroically rescued' bit....
I know one of the guys who was involved with the rescue, he took fire that night, and he's not the sort of dude to bullshit. His commanders told him that there was a good chance there'd be camoflaged enemy positions in the area as well, and that it could turn out bad.

Awww ... she's not so bad.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/Protest015_0001.jpg
Which one's Sheenan?

Which one's Sheenan?
The woman with the moustache.

The woman with the moustache.

Hey, man ... a chick with a 'stache can mean only one thing ... deep dish bush!

Hey, man ... a chick with a 'stache can mean only one thing ... deep dish bush!
I'm growing fonder of the brazilian wax...

Well... I'm happy she's going to have a child, but no more than I would be for anyone else.

Jennifer who?

I'm more surprised that after suffering all those injuries she could still get it on. More power to the human race, then.

she is one of many who volunteer their life to serve.

she most likely joined for the college money, and she got that and more.

she is one of many who volunteer their life to serve.

she most likely joined for the college money, and she got that and more.

It's all in the teeth.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/Jessica_Lynch.jpgxhttp://enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1103/111703lynchjessica.jpgxhttp://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/US/05/19/sprj.irq.bbc.lynch.dod/vert.lynch.fatigues.jpg

Her gleaming white teeth.

You remember Jessica Lynch. Captured in Iraq and was heroicly rescued by U.S. troops, turned into a national icon and gave much needed positive propaganda of an already unpopular war. Showed us yet again how the media loves to manipulate things and made us all sick of her story. Course she got lots of attention and she took advantage with many interviews.

Now she is pregnant. Big news eh? I tell you I totally forgot she existed until I saw this article. You think people still care about Jessica Lynch?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14498754/

Does she know who the father is? :p

She's still in clutches - the guy that got to do the honors had to be VERY careful.

Well... I'm happy she's going to have a child, but no more than I would be for anyone else.

Yeah but she is Jessica Lynch! Given all the time the media spent on her, when she is going to have a child it must be big news!

Right? :p

Awww ... she's not so bad.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/Protest015_0001.jpg
ya but anyone would look good standing next to THAT guy!

*innocent look*



someone had to say it

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Whofuckincares.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Whofuckincares.jpg

Apparently alot of people. That is why it is news. Unfortunately.