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Major Tinfoil Hat Time

Sedation Ministry
24-08-2006, 15:23
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,433083,00.html

Incredible stuff. Major disconnect with reality. And, if Der Speigel is to be believed, a fair number of Muslims in Germany actually believe this stuff.

This just in: The Lebanese men suspected of having deposited bombs on German trains last month were hired hands -- in the employ of the German government itself.

That, at least, is what one 27-year-old from Saudi Arabia believes. "It's all a Protestant crusade," the man explains. "All of northern Germany is Protestant, isn't it? And so is President Bush." Then the man launches into a melange of confusing arguments and historical facts. The bubonic plague, Martin Luther and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl all make a cameo. It's all connected somehow, the man is sure of it.

or this:

Or on television. Just a few days ago, a 17-year-old Kurd from Bonn espoused the following theory on SPIEGEL TV: "What happened first," he said, talking about the recent conflict in Lebanon, "was that the Jews raped a child, or something like that." Later he claimed to have learned from a credible source that Jews once systematically shot six-year-olds in a kindergarten. "They let the teacher live so she would become mentally ill," the young man said.

Bizarre theories about the conflict in Lebanon can be heard in St. Georg too. A telephone salesman insists the recent police raids in London were all propaganda. Has he heard that a bomb attack was being prepared with liquid explosives? It's all lies, he says. "No one believes any of that. It's just about distracting people from the war in Lebanon." As he speaks, the salesman points outside the entrance to his store, where a group of men is chatting. "We all think this way here," the man says.
Andaluciae
24-08-2006, 15:24
That's really impressive, severe disconnect with reality, and denial that your ethnic group is incapable of doing any sort of wrong, meanwhile making claims regarding Jews that are...uh...Hitler-iffic.
Oeck
24-08-2006, 15:50
..if Der Speigel is to be believed, a fair number of Muslims in Germany actually believe this stuff..
If, and only if, Der Spiegel is to be believed.

Secondly, I'd like to make you aware that claiming that "a fair number of Muslims in Germany believe this" from a Spiegel article recording the views of a handful of Muslim from Hamburg Steindamm is.. fishy, to say the least.
Drunk commies deleted
24-08-2006, 16:02
If, and only if, Der Spiegel is to be believed.

Secondly, I'd like to make you aware that claiming that "a fair number of Muslims in Germany believe this" from a Spiegel article recording the views of a handful of Muslim from Hamburg Steindamm is.. fishy, to say the least.
Well, if you look at the comments on anything non-flattering to Islam on youtube, like the Pallywood or Hezbollywood video, you'll see that the Muslims who posted engage in the same convoluted conspiracy mongering that's found in the Der Spiegel article. I think that attitude might be somewhat widespread in certain segments of Muslim society.
Psychotic Mongooses
24-08-2006, 16:06
Well, if you look at the comments on anything non-flattering to Islam on youtube, like the Pallywood or Hezbollywood video, you'll see that the Muslims who posted engage in the same convoluted conspiracy mongering that's found in the Der Spiegel article. I think that attitude might be somewhat widespread in certain segments of Muslim society.
Well...yeah.

Then again the 'rapture' is widespread in certain segments of American society, but we don't tar all of you with it. :fluffle:
Sedation Ministry
24-08-2006, 16:11
Well...yeah.

Then again the 'rapture' is widespread in certain segments of American society, but we don't tar all of you with it. :fluffle:

Belief in the rapture isn't likely to make someone support terrorism, or give money to terrorists, or shelter them, or provide recruits for them.

And yes, not EVERY Muslim believes this crap. But, you might want to address it, because it does provide a fertile ground for terrorists.

One might wonder, for instance, why some of them have a complete and utter disbelief in reality.
Andaluciae
24-08-2006, 16:21
Der Spiegel is certainly not a news source that is prone to fear mongering, or any right wing position. If a story of this sort is coming from Der Spiegel I'd have to say that there's a reasonable amount of credibility.
Drunk commies deleted
24-08-2006, 16:24
Well...yeah.

Then again the 'rapture' is widespread in certain segments of American society, but we don't tar all of you with it. :fluffle:
Why not? It's fun.
Dododecapod
24-08-2006, 17:16
You guys should see some of the fruit loops we get in Aus...
Sedation Ministry
24-08-2006, 17:20
You guys should see some of the fruit loops we get in Aus...
what, around Bondi?