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I'm not sure as to the absolute absence of the alleged "holocaust" of the 30s and 40s, but there is little or no chance that its scale was as large as most have been led to believe. Although I think it may be naive to completely deny that the Nazis persecuted Jews specifically, I find it impossible to believe that the Zionist death count in Central Europe could have surpassed half a million at best.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hg/Claim05.html

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.

Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews

There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.

*snip*

As for that last contention, I cannot be sure- although in retrospect I believe it would make good sense. Six million Jews dead? Possibly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen a multitude digest in one sitting.

You have one slight problem. The historical record defeats what you are saying many times over.

*awaits for this thread to turn into a slamfast*

*yawn* just another revisionist historian trying to deny historical fact.

A geocities citation? really? well that must be valuable.....

BTW, your first mistake, and the first thing that gives you away, is calling jews "zionists"

hint: they're not the same thing, no matter what your hitler youth buddies tell you.

Were there even six million people in Germany to begin with?

Were there even six million people in Germany to begin with?


Ummm....yeah.

And btw, try to think beyond germany...think...poland.

Were there even six million people in Germany to begin with?

Actually yes there were.

from this citation:

PART VI - Zyklon B was a fumigant. It wasn't a practical agent for mass murder.
PART VII - Zyklon B was highly toxic

Gotta love that.

Gee, if was highly toxic...I think it was a pretty useful agent to kill people..ya think?

from this citation:



Gotta love that.

Gee, if was highly toxic...I think it was a pretty useful agent to kill people..ya think?

Yep. Highly toxic chemicals do kill people as well.

Actually yes there were.

Wow! I didn't know you could fit that many people in Germany! We only managed to fit 50 million in California...

Wow. I suppose the massive amount of photo evidence, testimony from the American and Russian troops who liberated the camps, testimony from the survivers, the camps themselves, etc., etc., isn't enough? Trying to revise history isn't going to work, especially something like this.

wait, wait, have you actually READ the page you're citing?

It systematically REFUTES those points, your very citation actually runs AGAINST what you're trying to prove here.

Aww... come on, you're not even really trying...

Jesh, most of the other moonbats were MUCH more entertaining in their denial or at least more veniment.

All right children, wave at the nazi, and go on to the next thread...

Wow! I didn't know you could fit that many people in Germany! We only managed to fit 50 million in California...

Germany is about 3/4 the size of california, and california is largely desert, whereas germany is not. There are approximitly 80 million people in Germany today.

And again, you're forgetting Poland.

rofl

Germany is about 3/4 the size of california, and california is largely desert, whereas germany is not. There are approximitly 80 million people in Germany today.

And again, you're forgetting Poland.

Geez, I thought Germany was the size of Maine at the most, and I thought Poland was a tiny country in between Germany and France. I also thought Denmark was the Netherlands and Amsterdam was in Sweden. No wonder I flunked geography...

Geez, I thought Germany was the size of Maine at the most, and I thought Poland was a tiny country in between Germany and France. I also thought Denmark was the Netherlands and Amsterdam was in Sweden. No wonder I flunked geography...
http://blog.ryantoohil.com/wp-images/cap0005.jpg
I mean Jesus fucking Christ dude, that's awful.

http://blog.ryantoohil.com/wp-images/cap0005.jpg
I mean Jesus fucking Christ dude, that's awful.

I love Stephen Colbert. Seriously. I love him.

http://blog.ryantoohil.com/wp-images/cap0005.jpg
I mean Jesus fucking Christ dude, that's awful.

I have a feeling he is being sarcastic because this thread is indeed a joke.

Geez, I thought Germany was the size of Maine at the most, and I thought Poland was a tiny country in between Germany and France. I also thought Denmark was the Netherlands and Amsterdam was in Sweden. No wonder I flunked geography...

:D

I have a feeling he is being sarcastic because this thread is indeed a joke.
I fucking hope so.

I got this image in my head of some guy looking at a map of Europe for the first time and saying, "No way, England's on an island! I wonder if the surfing's good."

I fucking hope so.

I got this image in my head of some guy looking at a map of Europe for the first time and saying, "No way, England's on an island! I wonder if the surfing's good."

That would be pretty bad.

I fucking hope so.

I got this image in my head of some guy looking at a map of Europe for the first time and saying, "No way, England's on an island! I wonder if the surfing's good."
Kowabunga, old chap.

I'm not sure as to the absolute absence of the alleged "holocaust" of the 30s and 40s, but there is little or no chance that its scale was as large as most have been led to believe. Although I think it may be naive to completely deny that the Nazis persecuted Jews specifically, I find it impossible to believe that the Zionist death count in Central Europe could have surpassed half a million at best.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hg/Claim05.html

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.

Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews

There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.

*snip*

As for that last contention, I cannot be sure- although in retrospect I believe it would make good sense. Six million Jews dead? Possibly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen a multitude digest in one sitting.


Other historical records vs geocities ... wonder which way I would put my money on

I fucking hope so.

I got this image in my head of some guy looking at a map of Europe for the first time and saying, "No way, England's on an island! I wonder if the surfing's good."

Algeria? Albania? What's the difference? :eek: ;)

Geez, I thought Germany was the size of Maine at the most, and I thought Poland was a tiny country in between Germany and France. I also thought Denmark was the Netherlands and Amsterdam was in Sweden. No wonder I flunked geography...


Mein Gott.... I was going to write this post directly under his when I first saw it but aparently you people need it.

He is obviously being sarcastic because how would he know that Poland wasn't between Germany and France? It wasn't in the thread.

I find it hard to take seriously anyone who makes up a website with that sort of god-awful background.
It just screams, "I am a conspiracy nutjob!"

The sort of hard-on-the-eyes background that only borderline schizos can enjoy and find sense in.

I fucking hope so.

I got this image in my head of some guy looking at a map of Europe for the first time and saying, "No way, England's on an island! I wonder if the surfing's good."

Actually, it isn't sarcastic. I really thought that until a friend gave me a map of Europe.

...

Is the surfing good in England?

Algeria? Albania? What's the difference? :eek: ;)
Austria Australia.
Same place surely!

Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA)
A: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which
is…oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir plays every Tuesday
night in Kings Cross, straight after the hippo races. Come naked.

Mein Gott.... I was going to write this post directly under his when I first saw it but aparently you people need it.

He is obviously being sarcastic because how would he know that Poland wasn't between Germany and France? It wasn't in the thread.

Well, a friend showed me a map before I posted that thing...

Actually, it isn't sarcastic. I really thought that until a friend gave me a map of Europe.

...

Is the surfing good in England?
:p

Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA)
A: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which
is…oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir plays every Tuesday
night in Kings Cross, straight after the hippo races. Come naked.

Wow. I like that. :D

And again, you're forgetting Poland.
That keeps happening to them...[/terribly dated humor...]

I'm not sure as to the absolute absence of the alleged "holocaust" of the 30s and 40s, but there is little or no chance that its scale was as large as most have been led to believe. Although I think it may be naive to completely deny that the Nazis persecuted Jews specifically, I find it impossible to believe that the Zionist death count in Central Europe could have surpassed half a million at best.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hg/Claim05.html

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.

Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews

There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.

*snip*

As for that last contention, I cannot be sure- although in retrospect I believe it would make good sense. Six million Jews dead? Possibly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen a multitude digest in one sitting.

He's from Yeehaw USA. His word is gospel.

He's from Yeehaw USA. His word is gospel.
Yeehaw, USA has a great waffle house.

Nothing is funnier than online white supremacists. I used to lurk on some of their message boards when I was really bored and it was a combination of really scary and really funny stuff.

Yeehaw, USA has a great waffle house.

Isn't a Waffle House like a ghetto IHOP?

Yeehaw, USA has a great waffle house.

But it can't be as great as the Jews maintain. That would be rediculous.

For a second I thought this was about killing all of the Jews in Hollywood. (Which would be bad, of course, unless you like Mel Gibson.)

Isn't a Waffle House like a ghetto IHOP?
IHOP is a ghetto waffle house (actually, pancake house...)

But it can't be as great as the Jews maintain. That would be rediculous.
No no, that's the deli down the street where the schmear is fantastic.

IHOP is a ghetto waffle house (actually, pancake house...)

Interesting. You know I tried to get into an IHOP for breakfast one Sunday and found that there was a 30 minute wait for a table. At a fucking IHOP! The food isn't THAT good...

absence of evidence (which, by the way, there isn't) =/= evidence of absence.

Isn't a Waffle House like a ghetto IHOP?

One at every exit, open 24 hours, as much grease as you can handle. Waffle House is a thing of beauty.

Interesting. You know I tried to get into an IHOP for breakfast one Sunday and found that there was a 30 minute wait for a table. At a fucking IHOP! The food isn't THAT good...
That shouldn't be.

Wow. I like that. :D
Here's the rest if you're interested:
http://thetempest.wordpress.com/tag/australia/

I particularly like the 'dropbear' one.

For a second I thought this was about killing all of the Jew in Hollywood. (Which would be bad, of course, unless you like Mel Gibson.)
However, a holocaust of Hollywood in general...

However, a holocaust of Hollywood in general...

No more "Ben and Jen BREAK UP oh how could this happen crying so much" stuff anymore?

However, a holocaust of Hollywood in general...
Hey hey, easy there slugger-I gotta eat.

However, a holocaust of Hollywood in general...

*Hires a dozen helicopters to rescue Jessica Alba, Kirsten Dunst, Scarlett Johannson, Mischa Barton and other adorable starlets from Neo Undelia's raging mutant forces*

*Looks for Ben Affleck in the confusion and incinerates him with flamethrower*

*Imprisons actresses as personal sex slaves* (j/k)

Oh can someone get the worthy and talented directors, producers and writers?!

*Looks for Stephen Spielberg - finds him. Unloads an Uzi clip into him.*

wait, wait, have you actually READ the page you're citing?

It systematically REFUTES those points, your very citation actually runs AGAINST what you're trying to prove here.

I don't think people here have read it either judging from the responses...

interesting experiment though...post something controversial...make a link to a site refuting your own post....sit back and see what happens...

I'd love to see where and how the holocaust statistics were compiled.
How do we know it was 6 million? How many were killed outright as opposed to killed by abuse and neglect. It's such a sacred subect that nobody questions it. If it turned out only 4 million were killed and 2 million died of Typhus in German custody would it was the blood from anybodies hands? Why not get the best record of history as possible.

wait, wait, have you actually READ the page you're citing?

It systematically REFUTES those points, your very citation actually runs AGAINST what you're trying to prove here.
I love cognitive dissonance, don't you?

Snippity snip

Yeah every respected historian on the planet will disagree with you there, i don't give a shit about your sketchy sources.

You know, I've heard autoerotic asphyxiation is really fun. You should try it. It's not dangerous at all.

It's not dangerous, but it's not really that fun either.

I mean, so I've heard. From a friend of a friend.

I'd love to see where and how the holocaust statistics were compiled.
How do we know it was 6 million? How many were killed outright as opposed to killed by abuse and neglect. It's such a sacred subect that nobody questions it. If it turned out only 4 million were killed and 2 million died of Typhus in German custody would it was the blood from anybodies hands? Why not get the best record of history as possible.

Does it matter how they died? If it was a heart attack, starvation, disease, whatever. So many records were falsified thats it hard to tell whatever happened they were forced into camps and worked to death.
Dieing from abuse and neglect is just as bad if not worse than being shoved in a gas chamber at least its quicker that way.

Yeah every respected historian on the planet will disagree with you there, i don't give a shit about your sketchy sources.


I would be nice if the death tolls were mistakenly over estimated and ONLY a million or so were systematically exterminated with such efficiency.... :rolleyes:

I am sure there are detailed ledgers of each and everyone executed in prison camps. They probably have a serial # for each victim. I'm sure they accurately documented it down to the last one, no real need for a ton of research.

Were there even six million people in Germany to begin with?
Most Jews killed in the Holocaust were not German Jews. About 3,000,000 of the 6 million Jews killed were Polish Jews. The rest were in places like France, Russia, and other places like the Baltic and Balkan states.The Jewish population in Europebefore the Holocaust was 9,000,000.

I would really like to see athiestas response to all this!!

I'm not sure as to the absolute absence of the alleged "holocaust" of the 30s and 40s, but there is little or no chance that its scale was as large as most have been led to believe. Although I think it may be naive to completely deny that the Nazis persecuted Jews specifically, I find it impossible to believe that the Zionist death count in Central Europe could have surpassed half a million at best.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hg/Claim05.html

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.

Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews

There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.

*snip*

As for that last contention, I cannot be sure- although in retrospect I believe it would make good sense. Six million Jews dead? Possibly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen a multitude digest in one sitting.

Bu theres many documents with others signatures detailing who, when and how the killing was done by, to etc.....The lack of AH on a bit of paper is fairly insignificant, overall.

I am sure there are detailed ledgers of each and everyone executed in prison camps. They probably have a serial # for each victim. I'm sure they accurately documented it down to the last one, no real need for a ton of research.

Yep, these guys even came to our school with copies of documents showing all the recorded killings of the Jews.

Which funnily enough came up to 6 million!

I've seen the furnaces, that fucker happened.

Is this one of those threads where everyone attempts to boost their post count?

I will not post here if it is.

Yep, these guys even came to our school with copies of documents showing all the recorded killings of the Jews.

Which funnily enough came up to 6 million!


I wasnt being sarcastic about the record keeping. I wouldnt be surprised if clerks proudly produced detailed records they fastidiously kept, following orders.

The "doctors" had no problem keeping detailed accounts of experiments they conducted on live, conscious children.

There was no shame, no sense of how absolutely horrendous this was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korherr_Report

a document on the progress of the Holocaust written by the chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr, on instructions from Heinrich Himmler on January 18, 1943. The main report, published in March of that year, summarized the progress of the Final Solution though December, 1942, and a suplemental report covered the first quarter of 1943....

The report calculated that, from when the Nazis came to power through the end of 1942, four million Jews had been eliminated from Europe, of which 1.5 million emigrated and 2,454,000 had been killed by the Eisantzgruppen or in extermination camps, though the report admits that this death total was likely an undercount

But maybe the SS was just part of the Zionist Conspiracy.

Is this one of those threads where everyone attempts to boost their post count?

I will not post here if it is.
Too late.

I especially like this part:
The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.
I can see Churchill and FDR and the rest sitting around trying to come up with ideas on how to make the “Narzis” look bad, as if invading Poland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece and the Soviet Union in less than two years wasn’t enough.

lol, holocaust denier

I suggest that he look up the transcript of the Wannsee Conference, which makes excellent reading.

I wasnt being sarcastic about the record keeping. I wouldnt be surprised if clerks proudly produced detailed records they fastidiously kept, following orders.

The "doctors" had no problem keeping detailed accounts of experiments they conducted on live, conscious children.

There was no shame, no sense of how absolutely horrendous this was.

I wasn't being sarcastic either. There must have been a misunderstanding somewhere.

On January, 20, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, Himmler's second in command of the SS, convened the Wannsee Conference in Berlin with 15 top Nazi bureaucrats to coordinate the Final Solution (Endlösung) in which the Nazis would attempt to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe, an estimated 11 million persons.

"Europe would be combed of Jews from east to west," Heydrich stated.

The minutes of that meeting have been preserved but were edited by Heydrich substituting the coded language Nazis used when referring to lethal actions to be taken against Jews.

"Instead of emigration, there is now a further possible solution to which the Führer has already signified his consent - namely deportation to the east," Heydrich stated for example when referring to mass deportations of Jews to ghettos in occupied Poland and then on to the soon-opened death camps at Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.

"...eliminated by natural causes," refers to death by a combination of hard labor and starvation.

"...treated accordingly," refers to execution by SS firing squads or death by gassing - also seen in other Nazi correspondence in a variety of connotations such as "special treatment" and "special actions" regarding the Jews.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-wannsee.htm

Who made a Hitler smilie? I'm curious what the person who made it was thinking, perhaps he thought there weren't enough mas murderer smilies available for light hearted forum chats?

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I hezitate to think what your first post was like.

The point is we need to be historicly accurate not mythologising. The whole swimming pool at Auchswitz is the crack that deiners can use to swing peoples thinking.


Does it matter how they died? If it was a heart attack, starvation, disease, whatever. So many records were falsified thats it hard to tell whatever happened they were forced into camps and worked to death.
Dieing from abuse and neglect is just as bad if not worse than being shoved in a gas chamber at least its quicker that way.

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WOW! best post EVER!!!!!

(imagine happy smilie here cos Jolt won't let me add another!)

The point is we need to be historicly accurate not mythologising. The whole swimming pool at Auchswitz is the crack that deiners can use to swing peoples thinking.
And here I was thinking it was the Heydrich Memorial Tennis Club...

Who made a Hitler smilie? I'm curious what the person who made it was thinking, perhaps he thought there weren't enough mas murderer smilies available for light hearted forum chats?
I just did. You might notice the similarity to :). That's why it took so long to post in this thread. I was thinking that to get the emphasis of my post right, it would need a genuine Hitler.
I hezitate to think what your first post was like.
No, but it is a slight variation of a post I did in a thread by Whereyouthinkyougoing on first posts and gun smileys. (Search for German Nightmare gun smiley overkill if you're interested).
And while I can't find, nor remember my first post on NSG - it surely didn't contain any gun smilies!
WOW! best post EVER!!!!!

(imagine happy smilie here cos Jolt won't let me add another!)
Why thank you. :D (Sorry I used all 10 smilies allowed! ;))

I would really like to see athiestas response to all this!!

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9597/lolbw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

edit: myrth.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9597/lolbw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

edit: myrth.

well then

I suppose that's conclusive proof that this was all a joke.
Eh.

All right children, wave at the nazi, and go on to the next thread...



HI NAZI!!!

*goes on to next thread*

-snipHolocaustDenialsnip-
As far as I'm concerned with you Holocaust deniers, you don't exist!

I'm not sure as to the absolute absence of the alleged "holocaust" of the 30s and 40s, but there is little or no chance that its scale was as large as most have been led to believe. Although I think it may be naive to completely deny that the Nazis persecuted Jews specifically, I find it impossible to believe that the Zionist death count in Central Europe could have surpassed half a million at best.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hg/Claim05.html

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.

Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews

There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.

*snip*

As for that last contention, I cannot be sure- although in retrospect I believe it would make good sense. Six million Jews dead? Possibly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen a multitude digest in one sitting.

You seem to be forgetting the fact that the Nazis were German, and Germans are very organized and efficient, thus, they kept records of everything they've done.

I dont even understand how its POSSIBLE to deny the holocaust. :rolleyes:

Its like denying that 'Nam ever happend.

You seem to be forgetting the fact that the Nazis were German, and Germans are very organized and efficient, thus, they kept records of everything they've done.

Not according to my downstairs neighbour, who as a boy hailed from Danzig and was made to serve, along with his schoolmates, guarding a hole in the ground on the coast in the last six months of the war. Several of his little chums got scared and ran when Allied bombers were overhead, and were shot for desertion by German officers in front of him. He rigorously maintains that this notion of Germans being "organized and efficient" is just a holdover from the WWII allied propoganda.

He'll talk my ear off about how inept the Nazis were in practice, over shots of vodka on his little front lawn, whenever he insists on getting me drunk. Inept in practice, but "efficient" by reputation (only). Of course, it's hard to accurately gauge his observations, because he hates Germans so very, very much he hasn't been back in forty years.

I'm not sure as to the absolute absence of the alleged "holocaust" of the 30s and 40s, but there is little or no chance that its scale was as large as most have been led to believe. Although I think it may be naive to completely deny that the Nazis persecuted Jews specifically, I find it impossible to believe that the Zionist death count in Central Europe could have surpassed half a million at best.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hg/Claim05.html

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.

Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews

There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.

*snip*

As for that last contention, I cannot be sure- although in retrospect I believe it would make good sense. Six million Jews dead? Possibly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen a multitude digest in one sitting.

This is what happens when you read ideologues instead of historians.

allow me to reiterate...

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9597/lolbw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

edit: myrth.

Actually, it isn't sarcastic. I really thought that until a friend gave me a map of Europe.

...

Is the surfing good in England?

better in wales(and the island is gb -not just england!)

I suggest that he look up the transcript of the Wannsee Conference, which makes excellent reading.

been to the wansee conference building,It was odd sitting in a room where all those nastie's(nazi's)decided to kill so many people.I have read the transcript,
odd if not terrifying.

IHOP is a ghetto waffle house (actually, pancake house...)

Pancake house...??? :eek:

Pancake house...??? :eek:
Yeah! The International House Of Pancakes - not to be confused with the infamous Wafflehouse... http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/cook.gif

I'd love to see where and how the holocaust statistics were compiled.
How do we know it was 6 million? we dont.

maybe it was 8 million.. or maybe it was 800000...
soap from their boddies? thats just US media propaganda

Zyklon B was highly toxic. This being so, it would have been foolish and counterproductive to endanger Third Reich personnel engaged in allegedly pulling bodies from the execution chambers shortly after they were "gassed."
Other prisoners were used to clean out the bodies and I think ammonia was pumped in prior to cleaning.

Another BSer poking at a settled fact.

we dont.

maybe it was 8 million.. or maybe it was 800000...
soap from their boddies? thats just US media propaganda

The estimate is @ 6,000,000 Jews and @ 6,000,000 of other "undesirables" (e.g. Gypsies, homosexuals, the retarded and the insane).

The estimate is at...I agree with the word estimate.

as the numbers advanced are especulation.

I agree with the word estimate.

as the numbers advanced are especulation.

The point was that the Holocaust involved more than Jews. Ask a Gypsy how he/she feels about Hitler. And any homosexual who has studied history knows that anti-gay sentiment in the US is a pale thing compared to the sentiment in Hitler's Germany. Gypsies and gays were sent to death camps, too. (some of Hitler's henchmen notwithstanding).

I agree with the word estimate.

as the numbers advanced are especulation.

No, the NAZIs were pretty good at keeping records. Speculation it ain't.

Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.
Obviously... I don't think Hitler would have got particularly far if he stated that the official Nazi policy towards Jews was complete extermination.
I don't know... there's not much evidence for the Holocaust. Oh, what about the fact that millions of people disappeared and were never seen again, and the thousands of eyewitness accounts? Were the millions of people magicked away by the tooth fairy?

I would sincerely hope that no one else bothers posting on this thread.

*experiment complete* :gundge:

I would sincerely hope that no one else bothers posting on this thread.

*experiment complete* :gundge:

So, you made a controversial post purely to stir up reaction?

Congratulations, you're a troll.

I agree with the word estimate.

as the numbers advanced are especulation.
Been reading the Christian Party webpage again, have we?

we dont.

maybe it was 8 million.. or maybe it was 800000...
soap from their boddies? thats just US media propaganda

Way to be an idiot once again. There were 9 million Jews before the Holocaust in the countries affected. The count isn't precise, but I'd trust it within at least 100k.

Of course a Nazi lover like yourself loves Holocaust revisionism.

Way to be an idiot once again. There were 9 million Jews before the Holocaust in the countries affected. The count isn't precise, but I'd trust it within at least 100k.

Of course a Nazi lover like yourself loves Holocaust revisionism.

As usual on these kind of threads, IDF says everything that needs to be said.:)

I dont know how you can deny something like this...its not like the majority of the 9 million people evaporated.:confused:

Been reading the Christian Party webpage again, have we?

?:confused:

?:confused:A while ago, OD tried to prove his point by using pictures of the plaques in Auschwitz. The pictures were from the Christian Party, which is an avidly racist group. Had all sorts of wonderful "theories" about how Hitler didn't murder Jews in concentration camps but Christians instead, that he was a Jew himself, and that he stuck Jews in concentration camps only because he wanted to save them from the allied bombing that killed Christians.

A while ago, OD tried to prove his point by using pictures of the plaques in Auschwitz. The pictures were from the Christian Party, which is an avidly racist group. Had all sorts of wonderful "theories" about how Hitler didn't murder Jews in concentration camps but Christians instead, that he was a Jew himself, and that he stuck Jews in concentration camps only because he wanted to save them from the allied bombing that killed Christians.

okay, so I was curious so I googled "the Christian Party" and OMG, I think I am going to puke..........

okay, so I was curious so I googled "the Christian Party" and OMG, I think I am going to puke..........Disgusting bunch of people, aren't they?

Disgusting bunch of people, aren't they?

very.

I shudder to think of how they have perverted the Bible to support their sickness.

A while ago, OD tried to prove his point by using pictures of the plaques in Auschwitz. The pictures were from the Christian Party, which is an avidly racist group. Had all sorts of wonderful "theories" about how Hitler didn't murder Jews in concentration camps but Christians instead, that he was a Jew himself, and that he stuck Jews in concentration camps only because he wanted to save them from the allied bombing that killed Christians.

okay, so I was curious so I googled "the Christian Party" and OMG, I think I am going to puke..........

Ugh, what it is with fuck-heads like OD. How can you claim that without being under the influence/joking??:confused:

Also, not very smart, is he? Linking his "arguement" to a racist group.:p

I feel bad for people like you Laerod, Germans in general, for the feeling you guys must get when people like this say shit like this.

I dont know how you can deny something like this...its not like the majority of the 9 million people evaporated.:confused:
While I agree with your post - careful with how you phrase that, please.

While I agree with your post - careful with how you phrase that, please.

Hmm...I didnt really even think of it that way. I was just saying that it would be impossible for all those people to just vanish, you know.

I wasnt trying to put in any puns. Sorry if I offended you.

(I'm Jewish by the way)

I just checked out the "Christian Party" and they are completely absurd. They seem to be constantly contradicting themselves and are just basically scum. I am really sorry for the world that Christianity can spawn something like this... I seriously feel like I should wash my brain out for thinking about it.
Oh, and German, congrats on the Hitler smiley, hilarious. Speaking of which, I can no longer view them...

I just checked out the "Christian Party" and they are completely absurd. They seem to be constantly contradicting themselves and are just basically scum. I am really sorry for the world that Christianity can spawn something like this... I seriously feel like I should wash my brain out for thinking about it.
Oh, and German, congrats on the Hitler smiley, hilarious.

I don't really think that they have anything to do with Christianity, I think they are bad people trying to use whatever they can twist to make a case for their obvious insanity.

I just checked out the "Christian Party" and they are completely absurd. They seem to be constantly contradicting themselves and are just basically scum. I am really sorry for the world that Christianity can spawn something like this... I seriously feel like I should wash my brain out for thinking about it.
Oh, and German, congrats on the Hitler smiley, hilarious.

You've sigged me, I like you and I assume you are a fellow Floridian.

Be safe buddy.:)

and since the link in your profile doesnt work anymore...instead of sigging someone else, you can replace it with this nice photo :)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/images/051024_hurricanewilma.jpg

Germany is about 3/4 the size of california, and california is largely desert, whereas germany is not. There are approximitly 80 million people in Germany today.

And again, you're forgetting Poland.

and russia,and all the other countries the nazis ravaged..

i am not jewish,nor do i really even know many jews..but i know my family members that were in ww2 and saw with their own eyes..the camps..and it was no fiction or blown out of porportion...

i think you are being misled my friend,unless you wish it was not true for your own reasons.

it was real,and it was sickening.especially when you consider what was done to innocent children..that itself deserves a special place in hell...hurt an innocent kid..go to hell...

do your self a favor...change your attitude and quit listening to the bullshit you apparently are..it will lead you down an ugly path.

Hmm...I didnt really even think of it that way. I was just saying that it would be impossible for all those people to just vanish, you know.

I wasnt trying to put in any puns. Sorry if I offended you.

(I'm Jewish by the way)
I might be a little sensitive to this topic... I know what you meant and it's no problem at all. ;) Anyone with a sense of decency and historical knowledge would not joke about the shoa and holocaust, and I surely am not offended. Those people didn't just disappear, the were disappeared.

I just looked up the Christian Party. Ew *fights back gag reflex*. I hope no one takes these morons seriously.

I might be a little sensitive to this topic... I know what you meant and it's no problem at all. ;) Anyone with a sense of decency and historical knowledge would not joke about the shoa and holocaust, and I surely am not offended. Those people didn't just disappear, the were disappeared.

I understand. Again, sorry for me wording it like a retard.

Oh, and German, congrats on the Hitler smiley, hilarious. Speaking of which, I can no longer view them...
I don't think I really want to be congratulated on that one - it seemed a necessary evil to deliver the point ;).
But I haven't changed anything - post #73 is still blasting away at him...
(Maybe you have disabled smilies?)

I understand. Again, sorry for me wording it like a retard.
Nah - don't make more of it than there is. (At least you didn't say vanish into thin air... you could have expected a different reaction then)

Speculation it ain't.prove it.

The count isn't precise... Indeed.
That is my point.

A while ago, OD tried to prove his point..isnt that the point of a Forum? ;)
... Hitler didn't murder Jews in concentration camps but Christians instead, .LOL you silly German. :D ...(Hitler) was a Jew himself..What??? Hitler was a Jew.. *pulls popcorn*.. go on.. You are entertaining me.....(Hitler) stuck Jews in concentration camps only because he wanted to save them from the allied bombing that killed Christians. Wahaha.. funny shiite..

I want more Laerod. :D :D :cool: :D

So, you made a controversial post purely to stir up reaction?

Congratulations, you're a troll.

Nonsense, I just wanted to see is NSGers could reach 5 pages proving a point that roughly 90% of us hold as fact- while maintaining a relatively focused thread.. And we did. Cool.

If it were trolling, I would have simply said "Trolling complete."

isnt that the point of a Forum? ;)
LOL you silly German. :D What??? Hitler was a Jew.. *pulls popcorn*.. go on.. You are entertaining me.. Wahaha.. funny shiite..

I want more Laerod. :D :D :cool: :D

That's what your left with? Quoting out of context like this?

How bout you post more sources for your assertions?

That's what your left with? Quoting out of context like this?

How bout you post more sources for your assertions?Laerod is talking about a picture I posted..

I can repost it anytime I feel like it.
Video and Pictures are the ultumate proof..

Once I post the Pic..The only argument you can try is "maybe its Photoshoped".. Good luck with that. ;)

My advice to you is: "You should not hope to succeed where Laerod has failed before.. You are not at his debate level."

Indeed.
That is my point.
It may not be precise but few things are and the estimates are very good with the evidence that we have that around and about 6 million Jews were sytamatically murdered. There has yet to be any credible evidence of lower numbers (or at least the to extent you mentioned).

Why you attempt to hold that since no one was able to go out and count noses, then double count, that this means the numbers are unreliable I don't know.

It may not be precise but few things are and the estimates are very good with the evidence that we have that around and about 6 million Jews were sytamatically murdered. There has yet to be any credible evidence of lower numbers (or at least the to extent you mentioned).

Why you attempt to hold that since no one was able to go out and count noses, then double count, that this means the numbers are unreliable I don't know.You want to count noses?..

from a scientific practicallity you should try to count Human bones and skulls.
You can undig bones from the WWII mass-graves and really count tens-of-millions skulls .. but after you undig those bones.. how can you tell they are Jewish bones?.. They could be romanian or Gypsy or Russian.. and of course you forgot Poland.

You want to count noses?..

from a scientific practicallity you should try to count Human bones and skulls.
You can undig bones from the WWII mass-graves and really count tens-of-millions skulls .. but after you undig those bones.. how can you tell they are Jewish bones?.. They could be romanian or Gypsy or Russian.. and of course you forgot Poland.

How about all the accounts of Jews in Germany and the occupied lands being sent to town centers, concert halls etc., families divided and put on trains headed east? How about the prevalence of Jewish ghettos in European cities, leading to mass deportation? How about...hell, I don't have to go on. There were Poles, Russians, gypsies and various other oppressed groups in the camps, but the Jews got it the worst as a group by far. Maybe look up the Wannsee Conference if you doubt it, which you shouldn't.

Honestly, what does it matter if three million or six million or nine million were killed? It's still a huge genocide.

You want to count noses?..

from a scientific practicallity you should try to count Human bones and skulls.
You can undig bones from the WWII mass-graves and really count tens-of-millions skulls .. but after you undig those bones.. how can you tell they are Jewish bones?.. They could be romanian or Gypsy or Russian.. and of course you forgot Poland.
Please... the evidence is not exclusive to bones and bodies. The point remains that your attempt to say, "Well, we don't KNOW a Jewish genocide occured because we don't have exact numbers" borders on the realm of the oblivious.

Please... the evidence is not exclusive to bones and bodies.what is your other evidence?

Honestly, what does it matter if three million or six million or nine million were killed? or 20 million? or 30 million? or less than all of that.

A lot of people died in WWII concentration camps.. How do you know most of them were Jews?
because Hollywood told you so???

There were Poles, Russians, gypsies and various other oppressed groups in the camps, but the Jews got it the worst as a group by far.yes.. I've seen the movies too.

yes.. I've seen the movies too.

?? Haven't you seen and heard the old Nazi propaganda and the focus of it? Why doesn't this make sense to you? Whatever.

?? Haven't you seen and heard the old Nazi propaganda and the focus of it? No, I have not.

My perception used to be totally overruned by the Hollywood Propaganda..
It still is a tiny-little-bit.. but I am much more aware..

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that your argument goes against a lot of established evidence, eyewitness accounts and such, doesn't the burden of proof therefore, rest on you?

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that your argument goes against a lot of established evidence, eyewitness accounts and such, doesn't the burden of proof therefore, rest on you?that is not a fact.

Prove that the evidence we have isn't valid. If you can't, then you have no argument.

This guy is blatantly a troll, people.

what is your other evidence?
Eye witness accounts, photos and other documentation, cencus figures of before and after, survivor testimony, records from the camps and Nazi Germany, the lists go on and on and on and on.

And you have... what now to show that it's wrong?

This guy is blatantly a troll, people.
Sadly, he's not.

that is not a fact.
Are you familiar with the term "common law"?

http://www.hdot.org/ieindex.html
A guy decided he was going to sue for defamation when people called him a holocaust denier. His line: "It didn't really happen, so the bad stuff they called me is unfair!"

So the case became a case about whether or not the Holocaust did in fact happen, pretty much as is established by historians etc.

Guess what - the court decided that it did. After examining all the evidence brought before it from both sides of the argument. And the above-mentioned website lists a lot of it. So knock yourself out.

No, I have not.

My perception used to be totally overruned by the Hollywood Propaganda..
It still is a tiny-little-bit.. but I am much more aware..

Tell me, where did you come by this enlightenment?

Who, or what, informed you of the truth?

Was it some website like Stormfront?