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Cool. I hope they show it here as well. Notice that close minded villagers with torches are already screaming about this. I dont understand their reaction. If producers are ok, contestants are ok and people who are watching it are ok (they can always change the channel), what's the big deal? I'm just glad that the fascist PC police couldnt stop this. Times change, people change, friendships die, loves are forgotten but genes are the ultimate bound which cant be broken...:D


A Racy Twist for "Survivor"

By Gina Serpe Wed Aug 23, 2:05 PM ET

Some may call it exploiting racial tensions. CBS calls it darn good television.

Jeff Probst popped in on The Early Show Wednesday morning, confirming the reports that the 20 castaways for Survivor: Cook Islands will be grouped by race, with competitors divided into four tribes consisting of whites, blacks, Asians and Hispanics.

Apparently, "separate but equal" holds only the warmest of connotations for Mark Burnett.

Like a good host, Probst had nothing but praise for the producers' controversial brainchild, calling the exercise in segregation a valuable social experiment, rather than a stunt to dig up some controversy--and raise ratings.

"The idea for this actually came from the criticism that Survivor was not ethnically diverse enough, because for whatever reason, we always have a low number of minority applicants apply for the show," Probst said.

"So we set out and said, 'Let's turn this criticism into creative for the show.' And I think it fits perfectly with what Survivor does, which is, it is a social experiment. And this is adding another layer to that experiment, which is taking the show to a completely different level."

Different level, yes. Good level, still to be determined.

"If I had been a producer of this show, it is not an idea I would have come up with or given approval to," Robert Thompson, director of the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University, told E! Online. "It's like a return back to segregated leagues in sports. The unseemly interest this will invite certainly is not worth the dramatic elements it's going to bring."

"To the less-than-open minded person, it is very easy to trash us," Burnett explained to Entertainment Weekly. "But we're smart enough to not make it negative. We're smart enough to have gotten rid of every racist person in casting."

Though more to the point, the producers haven't and can't weed out every racially sensitive person in their audience who may take offense to the seemingly archaic, and potentially socially irresponsible, division.

While the 43-year-old host admitted that the players themselves had "mixed reactions" to the racial separation, he made clear that the division was not meant to incite any controversy, add to the tension during the competition or simply be viewed as a gimmick.

"Our original idea was simply to have the most ethnically diverse group of people on TV. It wasn't until we got to casting and started noticing this theme of ethnic pride that we started thinking, 'Wow, if culture is still playing such a big part in these people's lives, that's our idea. Let's divide them based on ethnicity,' " he said.

Though not everyone is as excited about the idea as Probst and his Survivor crew.

"It sounds like a gimmick a lot of people are going to have real issues as to the taste of," Thompson said.

Referencing Burnett's previous experiments on Survivor and The Apprentice to divide teams by boys vs. girls and, more recently on the latter, by street smarts vs. book smarts, Thompson said that "these things don't often work so well in less dicey situations."

And any publicity is good publicity, right?

"As far as getting some attention, getting it talked about again, this'll do it," Thompson said. "Survivor is a great game. It's the gold standard of reality TV. But nobody seems to talk about it anymore."

Or watch it.

Survivor: Cook Islands will be the reality show's 13th installment and comes on the heels of the least watched season in the series' history. Despite garnering an Emmy nod for Best Reality Competition, Survivor: Panama--Exile Island averaged a franchise-low 16.8 million viewers. Hence the drastic measure.

CBS Entertainment president Nina Tassler told EW that while she was hesitant to give the go-ahead on the "risky idea," she finally relented, saying it was the logical next step in "a show that explores social politics."

"It's not just 18 white people," Probst told the magazine. "Suddenly you have new slang, new rituals--people doing things like making fire in ways that haven't been done on Survivor. I think we have a season where people will say you can never go back to what you were before."

It's not the first time a primetime reality show has flirted with race, though it will be the first time one follows through.

Last year, Donald Trump hinted that The Apprentice was toying with the idea of dividing his two teams by race, only to backtrack on the notion when backlash started up, saying "I personally don't like it, so it will never happen."

Survivor: Cook Islands kicks off Sept. 14. Here's a list of the competitors:

* Rebecca Borman, 24, makeup artist, Laurelton, New York;
* Anh-Tuan "Cao Boi" Bui, 42, nail salon manager, Christiansburg, Virginia;
* Sekou Bunch, 45, jazz musician, Los Angeles;
* J.P. Calderon, 30, pro volleyball player, Marina Del Rey, California;
* Cristina Coria, 35, police officer, Los Angeles;
* Stephannie Favor, 35, nursing student, Columbia, South Carolina;
* Billy Garcia, 36, heavy metal guitarist, New York City;
* Adam Gentry, 28, copier sales, San Diego;
* Nathan Gonzalez, 26, retail sales, Los Angeles;
* Jenny Guzon-Bae, 36, real estate agent, Lake Forest, Illinois;
* Yul Kwon, 31, management consultant, San Mateo, California;
* Becky Lee, 28, attorney, Washington, D.C.;
* Oscar "Ozzy" Lusth, 25, waiter, Venice, California;
* Cecilia Mansilla, 29, technology risk consultant, Oakland;
* Sundra Oakley, 31, actress, Los Angeles;
* Jonathan Penner, 44, writer/producer, Los Angeles;
* Parvati Shallow, 23, boxer/waitress, Los Angeles;
* Jessica Smith, 27, performance artist/rollergirl, Chico, California;
* Brad Virata, 29, fashion director, Los Angeles;
* Candice Woodcock, 23, premed student, Fayetteville, North Carolina.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060823/en_tv_eo/19833

How many from California do they need for this?

Also, did not take long for people to cry racism is it not?

As California is the best damned state in the Union. I am only surprised they only have 11. It really should be more, after all, Californians are superior to the rest of the country. Especially when against anyone from Washington or Oregon.

Tis a given.

How many from California do they need for this?

Also, did not take long for people to cry racism is it not?

I just noticed how much California is over-represented. I'm sure they'll cry over it too...

Survivor sucks anyway.

Reality television shows are like little annoying kids who will shout obscenities at the top of their lungs to provoke a reaction. Always they need to come up with some new concept that they know will get someone's knickers in a knot. It's like the makers themselves think the shows are crap and the only way they can get people to watch is by making it more provocative.

As California is the best damned state in the Union. I am only surprised they only have 11. It really should be more, after all, Californians are superior to the rest of the country. Especially when against anyone from Washington or Oregon.

Tis a given.

i on the other hand am waiting for california to break from the union. and will give them a going away party, and close all borders to them. heck, if mexicans want it, they can have it.

Meh, they were bound to do it eventually. Reality TV shows in general are running our of ideas of ways to make people fight each other.

It's actually going to wind up being an interesting sociological experiment, not bound by the usual ethics that professional sociologists have to deal with. I'd be interested to see how the ideas and stereotypes people develop towards the other teams progress over time. We might be seeing a virtual reproduction of the earliest tribal conflicts, and how we began to segregate ourselves by appearance.

Funny how people are against racial quotas on television; unless it's to pit them against each other. Just seems like a bad idea.

I predict:

Day 3 - After no one used racial slurs or anything, things get boring and the producers introduce "A giant twist you will never see coming!!!", namely that the tribes will be mixed up.

Furthermore, insights into our own personalities are quite possible. I wonder how likely I am to start unconsciously rooting for the white guys, how about my mixed race friends, what side will they support? It could be quite fascinating...this might be the first season of Survivor I've ever watched. I'll keep a Survivor section in my Journal and everything, record my reactions and ideas, see how I logic out my conclusions. This could be fascinating....It's a shame I already devised this experiment...*cries*

I foresee....controversy! Political correctness! Outraged and outrageous statements by Jesse Jackson and Kanye West!

I predict:

Day 3 - After no one used racial slurs or anything, things get boring and the producers introduce "A giant twist you will never see coming!!!", namely that the tribes will be mixed up.
The white team will be replaced with neo-nazis, and the black team will be replaced with 6ft tall ex-cons, all called Bubba, and the asian team will be replaced with ninjas.

It shouldnt be called "Survivor" unless they actually had to survive.

this show should be called "Lie, backstab,whine and bitch"

they have to do something controversial as people are losing interest.

As New Jersey is the best damned state in the Union. It really should be more, after all, people from Jersey are superior to the rest of the country. Especially when against anyone from New York or Pennsylvania

Tis a given.
FIX'D!!!

But, seriously, I hope the white guys win.

I foresee....controversy! Political correctness! Outraged and outrageous statements by Jesse Jackson and Kanye West!


K.West- "Ken Probst hates black people" as a pint of drool spills from his mouth

As a surprise twist, Rupert will eat the winners.

Am I the only one who will find this fascinating, regarding the ethnic dynamics that exist within our socieities?

cant they do it in the style of the Lord of the flies this time

cant they do it in the style of the Lord of the flies this time
The Beast...


Actually that already happened, it was called Fetal Pig Dissection Week in my high school Honors Biology Class.

The Beast...


Actually that already happened, it was called Fetal Pig Dissection Week in my high school Honors Biology Class.
Not enough starvation. And I'm pretty sure you didn't take a boar's head and put it on a stick... and talk to it.

Black, white... I bet they all have gleaming teeth.

This is going to stir up big trouble.I really dont like the idea fo having racially segrageted groups on this programme,its just aimed at provoking racial tension.
Im sure ny nordland would love it if the white people won tho...;)

You know where they got this idea? Carlos Mencia.
First a few weeks ago, he joked about no Mexicans being on survivor then he did a racial olympics to see if the race lived up to the stereotype.

Within a week all the hispanics will be gone. Booted off? Nope. They swam to America.

Not enough starvation. And I'm pretty sure you didn't take a boar's head and put it on a stick... and talk to it.
Oh trust me, they talked to it. And they put the fetal pigs head on a scalpel and paraded it around the room in defiance of the foul Mrs. Johnson.

You know where they got this idea? Carlos Mencia.
First a few weeks ago, he joked about no Mexicans being on survivor then he did a racial olympics to see if the race lived up to the stereotype.

Within a week all the hispanics will be gone. Booted off? Nope. They swam to America.


Carlos Mencia will be at the show I'm going to on Saturday. I'm hoping for some laughs,I've never seen him before

Black, white... I bet they all have gleaming teeth.
Well, with white people...it doesnt really matter if they have gleaming teeth...but with blacks, they need those pearly whites, less they simply disappear into the night, never to be seen again.

Oh trust me, they talked to it. And they put the fetal pigs head on a scalpel and paraded it around the room in defiance of the foul Mrs. Johnson.
Ah... but did the pig talk back?

Oh trust me, they talked to it. And they put the fetal pigs head on a scalpel and paraded it around the room in defiance of the foul Mrs. Johnson.
*rereads post*
You got a scalpel?! Lucky.

Am I the only one who will find this fascinating, regarding the ethnic dynamics that exist within our socieities?
Probably. I've yet to watch Survivor in the first place, and this does nothing to make me break my streak.

And as far as racism is concerned, well it didn't take Rush Limbaugh long (http://mediamatters.org/items/200608240003?src=newsbox-atrios.blogspot.com) to get started.
We don't know who makes up the -- I mean, we've got the names here of all these members of the tribes, but Hispanic encompasses a lot. You could have a Cuban in there. You could have a Nicaraguan. You could have a Mexican or two. You could have any number. And you know, if they start fighting for supremacy amongst themselves, that could lead to problems. But our early money is on them anyway, because these people have shown a remarkable ability, ladies and gentlemen, to cross borders, boundaries -- they get anywhere they want to go. They can do it without water for a long time. They don't get apprehended, and they will do things other people won't do. So, our money, early money, is on the Hispanics.

The white tribe, I have to tell you -- I don't have a whole lot of hope in the white tribe. The Asian -- the Asian-American tribe probably will outsmart everybody, but will that help them in the ultimate survival contest? Intelligence is one thing, but raw, native understanding of the land and so forth -- this is probably why the Native Americans were excluded, because they were at one with the land here, and they probably would have an unfair advantage.

The African-American tribe, tough to handicap on this one, because you just -- it's -- it's -- there are many characteristics here that you would think give them the lead and the heads up in terms of skill and athleticism and so forth. The Asians, as I say -- the brainiacs of the bunch. The Hispanic tribe -- they've probably shown the most survival characteristics of any -- What? What are you shaking your head about for? What are you -- well -- well, I don't know that CBS is going to let them get away with that. The -- we were talking about the white tribe. We're speculating among ourselves that if the white tribe behaves as it historically has, they will bring along vials of diseases; they will end up oppressing the other groups; they will deny them benefits; deny them their property, steal it from them, and you know, put them on some kind of a benefit program. The white tribe put everybody else on some kind of benefit program, but the benefit program, of course, will not be enough. There will be no education. The white tribe will not allow any health care. He also goes on to make the old "black people aren't good swimmers" crack. Lovely guy, that Rush Limbaugh. Voice of the right wing, honored commentator, respected voice and all that crap. And the Republicans wonder why African-Americans don't vote for them?

Am I the only one who will find this fascinating, regarding the ethnic dynamics that exist within our socieities?

I am not in the least bit interested, as TV shows go out of their way to find the least grounded individuals that they can. We will learn more about crazy people than people of differing ethnicities.

Well, with white people...it doesnt really matter if they have gleaming teeth...but with blacks, they need those pearly whites, less they simply disappear into the night, never to be seen again.
You've rather missed my point entirely, TAI. No matter.

You've rather missed my point entirely, TAI. No matter.
Omg, dude..it was a joke.:p

Relax a bit, will ya?

Omg, dude..it was a joke.:p

Relax a bit, will ya?
I'm not freaking out on you, TAI. That's why I said 'no matter'. All I said was that you'd misunderstood my original post. There's no reason to be defensive.

I'm not freaking out on you, TAI. That's why I said 'no matter'. All I said was that you'd misunderstood my original post. There's no reason to be defensive.
Notice, my smiley face.

Why are you so uptight? When are you gonna "let your hair down"...and just relax. You could have atleast laughed at my joke.:p

Furthermore, insights into our own personalities are quite possible. I wonder how likely I am to start unconsciously rooting for the white guys, how about my mixed race friends, what side will they support? It could be quite fascinating...this might be the first season of Survivor I've ever watched. I'll keep a Survivor section in my Journal and everything, record my reactions and ideas, see how I logic out my conclusions. This could be fascinating....It's a shame I already devised this experiment...*cries*

It seems unlikely I'll waste any time on this attempt, any more than I did on any other.

As an experiment, the show is likely to be worse than useless... an arbitrary and artificial separation based on perceived race can tells us little about the 'original dynamics' of human migrations. he duration of the 'experiment', and the 'extremes' to which the teams would have to go are far from likely to allow any realistic 'specialisation'... and there is no realistic 'sampling' in the teams.

More to the point, perhaps... there is no 'control' group.

Notice, my smiley face.

Why are you so uptight? When are you gonna "let your hair down"...and just relax. You could have atleast laughed at my joke.:p

Maybe he is of the 'old school'... where it is sometimes considered almost definitive of 'a joke', that it be, in some way, amusing.

That kind of 'humour' is so broad.

Notice, my smiley face.
That's actually a "Razz". That can be taken more way than one. What are you attempting to convey?
Why are you so uptight?
I'm actually not uptight, as I've already gone to some lengths to explain. I evidently just don't share your particular sense of humour.
When are you gonna "let your hair down"...and just relax. You could have atleast laughed at my joke.
I don't generally laugh at things that fail to amuse me. Please note, I am not passing judgement on your apparent quip, merely indicating that I was not especially moved to laughter.
:p
:confused: Define ":p ".

Maybe he is of the 'old school'... where it is sometimes considered almost definitive of 'a joke', that it be, in some way, amusing.

That kind of 'humour' is so broad.

Your "philosophising" is hurting my head. :p

That's actually a "Razz". That can be taken more way than one. What are you attempting to convey?

I'm actually not uptight, as I've already gone to some lengths to explain. I evidently just don't share your particular sense of humour.

I don't generally laugh at things that fail to amuse me. Please note, I am not passing judgement on your apparent quip, merely indicating that I was not especially moved to laughter.

:confused: Define ":p ".
Dude, you dont get out much, do you? Why are you making this a debate?

CBS just sucks in general, seriously.

Whities will win. It's rigged.

Dude, you dont get out much, do you? Why are you making this a debate?
I'm better-suited to ask of you, "why are you badgering me?".

I made a one-sentence, subtle throwaway quip intended to indirectly underscore that no matter how you slice it, all the participants on 'Survivor' will doubtless be attractive/youthful.

You then jokingly replied (and yes, I was fully cognizant that you were replying jokingly), and in so doing made a decidedly off-colour statement that failed to amuse me. If anything, I wanted to thoroughly disassociate my quoted snigger from your own, as the nature of yours reflects no part of my own.

From there on in, you've been unrelenting, even going so far as to chide me for not automatically guffawing at something that frankly, seemed rather tasteless at best.

But I'm afraid I'm done explaining our latest exchange for you, TAI. This does seem to happen frequently where you're concerned. I should've thought that this would've again served to underscore that you and I really do seem to have very little in common. I respectfully submit that there's little to no reason to repeat this ritualized exchange in future, in the interest of brevity and of not highjacking other peoples' threads.

My sincere apologies to the OP and my fellow posters.

So TAI, I'll ask you now, in the interests of fostering a degree of amity - please, leave me alone now? I have no interest whatever in continuing this. Please respect that.

I'm better-suited to ask of you, "why are you badgering me?".

I made a one-sentence, subtle throwaway quip intended to indirectly underscore that no matter how you slice it, all the participants on 'Survivor' will doubtless be attractive/youthful.

You then jokingly replied (and yes, I was fully cognizant that you were replying jokingly), and in so doing made a decidedly off-colour statement that failed to amuse me. If anything, I wanted to thoroughly disassociate my quoted snigger from your own, as the nature of yours reflects no part of my own.

From there on in, you've been unrelenting, even going so far as to chide me for not automatically guffawing at something that frankly, seemed rather tasteless at best.

But I'm afraid I'm done explaining our latest exchange for you, TAI. This does seem to happen frequently where you're concerned. I should've thought that this would've again served to underscore that you and I really do seem to have very little in common. I respectfully submit that there's little to no reason to repeat this ritualized exchange in future, in the interest of brevity and of not highjacking other peoples' threads.

My sincere apologies to the OP and my fellow posters.

So TAI, I'll ask you now, in the interests of fostering a degree of amity - please, leave me alone now? I have no interest whatever in continuing this. Please respect that.
I didnt even read that. You're thinking way to much about this, seriously. Go to sleep..I'm about to do the same.

Goodnight.

It shouldnt be called "Survivor" unless they actually had to survive.

this show should be called "Lie, backstab,whine and bitch"

they have to do something controversial as people are losing interest.

Hell yeah!

I didnt even read that. You're thinking way to much about this, seriously. Go to sleep..I'm about to do the same.

Goodnight.
Would it be so hard for you to just put me on 'ignore' and just not interact with me in future? Is that just too difficult a proposition?

Someone always has to have the last word.
:rolleyes:

CBS is out for ratings. Simple as that.

I'm sure some will be able to get some information, insight from this show. I'm sure some will find it morally reprehensible.

/shrug
Whatever.

People who watch Survivor aren't people I'd want to know anyway. :D

People who watch "reality" television aren't people I'd want to know anyway. :D

FIXED!

The white team will be replaced with neo-nazis, and the black team will be replaced with 6ft tall ex-cons, all called Bubba, and the asian team will be replaced with ninjas.
Now THAT would make for good TV.
What would the Hispanics be, though?
El Mariachi or Scarface?


As well as Ninjas, you could also throw (not literally mind you) in a few Sumos.
I got to meet some Sumos the other day.
They're very fat.

Whities will win. It's rigged.
No whites won't win. They aren't allowed to. Even if they do it fairly. If a white person wins its racism.

He also goes on to make the old "black people aren't good swimmers" crack.

Was he referring to the show?
Because it's almost become funny that regardless of how athletic they are, every black male on the show has had trouble in the swimming challenges.

I just noticed how much California is over-represented. I'm sure they'll cry over it too...
Maybe the next series will be MidWest states vs Southern States vs New Yorkers.

When they mix them up, there'll be obvious langauge barriers.

It seems unlikely I'll waste any time on this attempt, any more than I did on any other.

As an experiment, the show is likely to be worse than useless... an arbitrary and artificial separation based on perceived race can tells us little about the 'original dynamics' of human migrations. he duration of the 'experiment', and the 'extremes' to which the teams would have to go are far from likely to allow any realistic 'specialisation'... and there is no realistic 'sampling' in the teams.

More to the point, perhaps... there is no 'control' group.
Also, the makers of this series will have delibrately picked fuck-ups, as they make for better television.
So how each tribe acts or works will have almost nothing to do with their racial background.

You really are quite obsessed with race aren't you Nordland?

I tend to find that it's culture that divides us more. I have more in common with a black person from my town (which is culturally extremely white) than a white person from Detroit.

As California is the best damned state in the Union. I am only surprised they only have 11. It really should be more, after all, Californians are superior to the rest of the country. Especially when against anyone from Washington or Oregon.

Tis a given.
You're asking for it, buddy... damned Californians...

Incidentally, I was born in Oakland. But oh well :D

You really are quite obsessed with race aren't you Nordland?

I tend to find that it's culture that divides us more. I have more in common with a black person from my town (which is culturally extremely white) than a white person from Detroit.

You shouldnt use words that you dont know what it means, Wallonochia, makes you sound stupid...

You shouldnt use words that you dont know what it means, Wallonochia, makes you sound stupid...
Listen to him well, Wallonochia. Ny speaks from ample experience here.

Listen to him well, Wallonochia. Ny speaks from ample experience here.

Where does this passive agressiveness come from, Demented Hamsters? You got a deep inferiority complex or a huge resentment towards me? I made you mad and you couldnt answer back and now you have to say something stupid at every opportunity? :rolleyes:

Cool. I hope they show it here as well. Notice that close minded villagers with torches are already screaming about this. I dont understand their reaction. If producers are ok, contestants are ok and people who are watching it are ok (they can always change the channel), what's the big deal? I'm just glad that the fascist PC police couldnt stop this. Times change, people change, friendships die, loves are forgotten but genes are the ultimate bound which cant be broken...:D

Man, they're really desperate to keep that franchise alive, aren't they? What's next, grouping tribes by right-handedness versus left-handedness? Oooh, or maybe they'll have the gay tribe versus the straight tribe! Or maybe a Christian tribe that goes up against a heathen tribe!

The "racial" groupings they've picked are as silly as if they grouped tribes based on what state people were born in. They're not even pretending to group based on genetic relatedness, they're just using skin color as a lazy way of drumming up public interest. If that's what you find entertaining, then just curl up with a nice copy of The Bell Curve.

Where does this passive agressiveness come from, Demented Hamsters?
Darling, he wasn't being passive-aggressive. He was quite assertively launching a snide comment at you.

All I can say is this - I hope this works better than the last "social experiment" they had, where the tribes were split into "older men," "older women," "younger men," and "younger women." That lasted all of one episode, and then it seemed to be split into "boring people who wouldn't survive locked in a Wal-Mart for an hour" versus "insane people who probably need psychiatric help." The insane people pretty much took over the game, and the only boring person who hung on did so by winning a bazillion immunities in a row.

It's a good show, really. The last season was just a total letdown. Maybe it was coming off of two good seasons, and this season along with the last one will suck.

I also wonder how PC it will turn out to be. In a couple of seasons past, it was split men against women, and in one season, the women had a 6-4 advantage at the merge and started picking the men off one by one. The women's leader was, by all accounts on the show, a rabid man-hater who reveled in treating the men like slaves. It got down to one man, who, along with three "outsider" women, overthrew the power alliance, tossed out the man-hating bitch, and started running the show. He ended up winning the game. Not sure how PC it is, considering it might have been more PC for the women to run the table.

Well here's my 2 cents. If the white team wins it's because of their superior intellect. If the black team wins it's because, as Jimmy the Greek said, "The slave owner would breed his biggest strongest black man to his biggest, strongest black women to get better workers, and that's why they're good at sports." If anyone else wins it's dumb luck. [/Offensive and racist commentary]

For those who don't know, no I don't really believe that stuff.

It shouldnt be called "Survivor" unless they actually had to survive.

this show should be called "Lie, backstab,whine and bitch"

they have to do something controversial as people are losing interest.

I believe that any real "survival" show would be more like Survivorman. We drop you off in the middle of nowhere, with meager equipment, no food, no water, and a camera.

You film what you can.

We come back in a week, and see who is still alive.

You shouldnt use words that you dont know what it means, Wallonochia, makes you sound stupid...

Just for kicks, explain what word you think I don't know how to use, if you would.

As California is the best damned state in the Union. I am only surprised they only have 11. It really should be more, after all, Californians are superior to the rest of the country. Especially when against anyone from Washington or Oregon.

Tis a given.

you got to be a liberal butthole to say that
the nice climate doesn't outweigh some of the most repressive firearms laws in the country

imnsho the san andras fault should drop about 1/3 of prk into the pacific

:headbang:

you got to be a liberal butthole to say that
the nice climate doesn't outweigh some of the most repressive firearms laws in the country

imnsho the san andras fault should drop about 1/3 of prk into the pacific

:headbang:

He's probably just a patriotic Californian. Not everyone sees everything through the lens of "liberal vs conservative".

No whites won't win. They aren't allowed to. Even if they do it fairly. If a white person wins its racism.

True dat homeslice

You shouldnt use words that you dont know what it means, Wallonochia, makes you sound stupid...
Given the statistics, those 2 arab men probably (are they? I'm not bothered to read whole story) oppresses their wifes or women. So consider this as a punishment for their primitive idiology...

Why don't you read what you have written before, and subsequently judge what it is exactly that makes someone sound stupid...

I might have to stop watching Survivor in protest. If I watched it to begin with. As I don't, whatever.

this show is still on?

Man, they're really desperate to keep that franchise alive, aren't they? Oooh, or maybe they'll have the gay tribe versus the straight tribe!

There was that show, forget the title, that was all about the contestent spending time with a group of guys and guessing which of them was gay. That was even worse then this stupid Survivor stuff. Of course, I hope no one on NS watches Survivor to begin with.

Why is anyone still watching this game show? Go read a book, for heaven's sake.

i on the other hand am waiting for california to break from the union. and will give them a going away party, and close all borders to them. heck, if mexicans want it, they can have it.

Ha, okay. There goes a quarter of the union's GDP!

As for Mexico... I think you've got it backwards. If California wanted Mexico, we'd take it.

Why don't you read what you have written before, and subsequently judge what it is exactly that makes someone sound stupid...

If you are ignorant, of course you wont be able to understand that. 90% of women are subjected to violance by their bf's or husbands in Turkey*. And Turkey is the "example" majority-muslim country, a NATO member and EU candidate. If it's the situation there, Arab countries should be even more primitive. So I stand by my remark....Now get lost...

*http://www.omct.org/pdf/vaw/publications/2003/eng_2003_09_turkey.pdf

Darling, he wasn't being passive-aggressive. He was quite assertively launching a snide comment at you.

LOL...our understanding of a "snide comment" differs, DARLING...:rolleyes:

And now NN indulges in the petty ego wars that make up a majority of his spewing. Blah blah blah, racism is good, blah blah blah, Islam is evil, blah blah blah, anyone who disagrees is stupid.

If you are ignorant, of course you wont be able to understand that. 90% of women are subjected to violance by their bf's or husbands in Turkey*. And Turkey is the "example" majority-muslim country, a NATO member and EU candidate. If it's the situation there, Arab countries should be even more primitive. So I stand by my remark....Now get lost...

*http://www.omct.org/pdf/vaw/publications/2003/eng_2003_09_turkey.pdf

You use that every time and it gets debunked every time. Give it up, man.

And now NN indulges in the petty ego wars that make up a majority of his spewing. Blah blah blah, racism is good, blah blah blah, Islam is evil, blah blah blah, anyone who disagrees is stupid.

And now Republica de Tropico indulges in the petty blah blah wars...

And now Republica de Tropico indulges in the petty blah blah wars...

Not really. My point is valid. A majority of your posts and threads celebrates your bigoted, racialist viewpoints - and when inevitably these cause controversy, you indulge yourself in an orgy of flaming and flamebaiting.

Case in point, your post right there serves no purpose but to be some kind of "comeback." It doesn't say anything. It doesn't mean anything. I don't have "blah blah wars."

You use that every time and it gets debunked every time. Give it up, man.

LOL...He, who thinks he has debunked years of research by an objective NGO, should be suffering from delusions of grandeur...That or your memory sux!

Not really. My point is valid. A majority of your posts and threads celebrates your bigoted, racialist viewpoints - and when inevitably these cause controversy, you indulge yourself in an orgy of flaming and flamebaiting.

Case in point, your post right there serves no purpose but to be some kind of "comeback." It doesn't say anything. It doesn't mean anything. I don't have "blah blah wars."

Denial is the first phase....

Denial is the first phase....

...of refuting your ignorant, bigoted bullshit? I guess so.

...of refuting your ignorant, bigoted bullshit? I guess so.

Yeah yeah...I'm not gonna waste any more time with you....

Yeah yeah...I'm not gonna waste any more time with you....

:(

That hurts, it really does. Does this mean you're also gonna stop wasting time championing racism? Or is that still a good use of your ever-so-valuable time.

Arg...perfectly good thread about a perfectly good show devolved into a racist and an anti-racist blathering back and forth. Argfa. Oh well.

So, is there anyone besides me who actually likes the show, race-divided tribes or not?

Arg...perfectly good thread about a perfectly good show devolved into a racist and an anti-racist blathering back and forth. Argfa. Oh well.

So, is there anyone besides me who actually likes the show, race-divided tribes or not?

I will watch it if they show it here....

I will watch it if they show it here....

Knowing the producers, that means it will be shown pretty far down the road.

Black, white... I bet they all have gleaming teeth.

How horrid

Where does this passive agressiveness come from, Demented Hamsters? You got a deep inferiority complex or a huge resentment towards me? I made you mad and you couldnt answer back and now you have to say something stupid at every opportunity? :rolleyes:
Prime example here of Ny using words he doesn't understand, much to the amusement of others around him.

Prime example here of Ny using words he doesn't understand, much to the amusement of others around him.
Yeah, I'm not clear on why he thinks that our subjective opinions on "snide comments" would have any impact on the fact that he used the term "passive-aggressive" incorrectly. An assertive comment/insult, whether snide or not, is not an example of passive-aggressive behavior. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Yeah, I'm not clear on why he thinks that our subjective opinions on "snide comments" would have any impact on the fact that he used the term "passive-aggressive" incorrectly. An assertive comment/insult, whether snide or not, is not an example of passive-aggressive behavior. Quite the opposite, in fact.

*despising :) *


Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. Sometimes a method of dealing with stress or frustration, it results in the person attacking other people in subtle, indirect, and seemingly passive ways. It can manifest itself as resentment, stubbornness, procrastination, sullenness, or intentional failure at doing requested tasks. For example, someone who is passive-aggressive might take so long to get ready for a party they do not wish to attend, that the party is nearly over by the time they arrive.



If someone bothers to show up in a thread just to insult me, I take it as a resentment or stalking...Also note that, by answering to another poster he was making an indirect attack on me instead of talking with me directly. Whatever!