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This seems way to abusable to me

http://www.webuser.co.uk/news/news.php?id=92834

Does anyone else see massive problems ahead?

This seems way to abusable to me

http://www.webuser.co.uk/news/news.php?id=92834

Does anyone else see massive problems ahead?

Ooo... I get that you need to make reporting abuse easy, but how many fakes are they going to get this way? Lot of time wasted, I'd have thought.

So, I chat with a few people on NS General, get them to come over to MSN for more chat, and then report them as potential pedos...

Lol, this could be a fun way to piss off my freinds.

Lol, this could be a fun way to piss off my freinds.
Agreed

Thing is

I can see this being a bad thing ... right know we all know that this list will have thousands upon millions of false reports. But 10 years down the line when someone releases the “report” list and your name is on it just because some friend was fucking around with you.

It may not be a pleasant day for you or some of your future opportunities

Agreed

Thing is

I can see this being a bad thing ... right know we all know that this list will have thousands upon millions of false reports. But 10 years down the line when someone releases the “report” list and your name is on it just because some friend was fucking around with you.

It may not be a pleasant day for you or some of your future opportunities


So don't use MSN Messenger.

Agreed

Thing is

I can see this being a bad thing ... right know we all know that this list will have thousands upon millions of false reports. But 10 years down the line when someone releases the “report” list and your name is on it just because some friend was fucking around with you.

It may not be a pleasant day for you or some of your future opportunities

Ohhh a long term prank, all the more fun ;)

On a serious note, i'm sure when they find out you are not a pedophile they will delete your name of the record.

Ohhh a long term prank, or the more fun ;)

On a serious note, i'm sure when they find out you are not a pedophile they will delete your name of the record.

Fat chance. We're talking about a mindless bureaucracy that would consider any editing of the list an expense.

So don't use MSN Messenger.
I don’t … does not effect my view on it really, innocents are innocents … I don’t like to see innocent people being fucked with if it is possible to avoid.

Ohhh a long term prank, or the more fun ;)

On a serious note, i'm sure when they find out you are not a pedophile they will delete your name of the record.
That requires human intervention opposed to automated system … expensive

That and they may not put you on the actual list but it is RARE for a company to delete a record of ANYTHING electronic just in case.

On a serious note, i'm sure when they find out you are not a pedophile they will delete your name of the record.

Really? Why would they deny themselves information?

More likely to put you in a 'nothing to report' 'not proven' 'no evidence' etc. database, surely? You'd be low down on the list, but I can't see information being deleted this way, only recoded.

How does a kid know what "suspicious behaviour or inappropriate contact of a sexual nature" really is?
Hopefully the way the system works is you get so many clicks and you get investigated.

That requires human intervention opposed to automated system … expensive

That and they may not put you on the actual list but it is RARE for a company to delete a record of ANYTHING electronic just in case.

My guess is, they probably put you on a list for people to be investigated depending on how many times you get reported. But if the person has not been investigated but is still on the list it will probably be impossible to use it against you as it is unconstitutional.

My guess is, they probably put you on a list for people to be investigated depending on how many times you get reported. But if the person has not been investigated but is still on the list it will probably be impossible to use it against you as it is unconstitutional.
Officially yes but still are you going to be able to prevent bias when in 10 years some interviewer googles your name and comes up with you on a list of a “Reported as sex offender” list that has been released to the web?

It won't last. :p

Officially yes but still are you going to be able to prevent bias when in 10 years some interviewer googles your name and comes up with you on a list of a “Reported as sex offender” list that has been released to the web?
Not just once.

I could write a bot that could hit the button thousands of times.

Really? Why would they deny themselves information?

More likely to put you in a 'nothing to report' 'not proven' 'no evidence' etc. database, surely? You'd be low down on the list, but I can't see information being deleted this way, only recoded.
Agreed
I have worked in a university and corporate data storage environment … they don’t get rid of much
EVER

The data may get reclassified moved or re titled but almost never deleted.

Not just once.

I could write a bot that could hit the button thousands of times.
And it will be done ... fuck we both know we both could write a bot to hit the messanging service directly without all the front end BS

Its not too hard

God only knows what abusable programming flaws they have left with this feature as well

And it will be done ... fuck we both know we both could write a bot to hit the messanging service directly without all the front end BS

Its not too hard

God only knows what abusable programming flaws they have left with this feature as well

I bet the target doesn't even have to be online. I bet I only have to know your msn or hotmail ID.

On a serious note, i'm sure when they find out you are not a pedophile they will delete your name of the record.


Haha! You're naive.

Someone stole my drivers license ten years ago and registered a car with it (despite me having reported the theft when getting a new one). Then they didn't pay the insurance on that car and my license was suspended. It took me months to "clear up", but I had problems for years after. I'm pretty sure my record still puts me down as having a suspended license, just it's so long in the past it doesn't matter.

This will most likely be the same.

I bet the target doesn't even have to be online. I bet I only have to know your msn or hotmail ID.
Depends on the info being fed and collected …

Wonder if you can report someone that blocked you? Or someone that has not approved contact …

Officially yes but still are you going to be able to prevent bias when in 10 years some interviewer googles your name and comes up with you on a list of a “Reported as sex offender” list that has been released to the web?

I doubt they will release the list to the public.

McCarthy or J Edgar Hoover would probably love the kind of witch hunts this would engender. Once on the list only an act of god could get you cleared.

I doubt they will release the list to the public.
A LOT of things are not meant to be released publicly

Hell look at win 2000 source code … that was not meant to be released publicly … but some disgruntled employee released it and after that it was impossible to contain that information again…

A LOT of things are not meant to be released publicly

Hell look at win 2000 source code … that was not meant to be released publicly … but some disgruntled employee released it and after that it was impossible to contain that information again…

Hmmm... Well then i guess we have a problem.

Hopefully the way the system works is you get so many clicks and you get investigated.
Nah, they'll just add the frequent clicker to a "Like, Totally Asking For It, The Slut"-list.

Hmmm... Well then i guess we have a problem.
Yeah I am not worried really about a public official release of this … that would be political suicide …

But when the information is compiled, especially electronic, it costs nothing to make a billion damn copies if it ever gets into the wrong hands it can be duplicated infinitely

Yikes-relying on kids to accurately report something with this much consequence?

not a great idea.

How about the kid's parents get a little more involved and be watchdogs in their own homes?

Decent idea actually, assuming they have a human at the other side of that button reading the recent conversation and not a bot that just puts down your name.

Ohhh a long term prank, all the more fun ;)

On a serious note, i'm sure when they find out you are not a pedophile they will delete your name of the record.
Really think so?
I don't.

And even if they finally do so, think about how screwed your life would be. Not just up to that point, but beyond. Think everyone will realise it was a prank and that you're not a paedo?
I'd wager 90+% of people would still be thinking, "There's no smoke..." and treat you accordingly.

You might never know you're on the list. You may just find yourself wondering why you're being denied all sorts of things. Job interviews/offers for example. Worst case - it being used against you in a custody battle.

Imagine if you had decided to become a teacher in the meantime. You really think a school would want to hire someone whose name had been (or is) on a (suspected) paedo list? Think the parents would?
Also, what if you are a teacher and a kid decides to get back at you. They find your email and MSN name and bam! You're on the list and there goes your job and career.

This is a real dumb kneejerk idea from Microsoft that's poorly thought-out and is obviously going to cause massive problems for people further down the track.

Really think so?
I don't.

And even if they finally do so, think about how screwed your life would be. Not just up to that point, but beyond. Think everyone will realise it was a prank and that you're not a paedo?
I'd wager 90+% of people would still be thinking, "There's no smoke..." and treat you accordingly.

You might never know you're on the list. You may just find yourself wondering why you're being denied all sorts of things. Job interviews/offers for example. Worst case - it being used against you in a custody battle.

Imagine if you had decided to become a teacher in the meantime. You really think a school would want to hire someone whose name had been (or is) on a (suspected) paedo list? Think the parents would?
Also, what if you are a teacher and a kid decides to get back at you. They find your email and MSN name and bam! You're on the list and there goes your job and career.

This is a real dumb kneejerk idea from Microsoft that's poorly thought-out and is obviously going to cause massive problems for people further down the track.


You got my drift and thinking exactly … it does not matter if it is or is not intentionally released. Information even by the government is released by accident all the time weather on purpose or on accident

There are a few crimes in this word that even the suspicion of them will completely rune your future without ANY guilt or conviction … this is one of them

Really think so?
I don't.

And even if they finally do so, think about how screwed your life would be. Not just up to that point, but beyond. Think everyone will realise it was a prank and that you're not a paedo?
I'd wager 90+% of people would still be thinking, "There's no smoke..." and treat you accordingly.

You might never know you're on the list. You may just find yourself wondering why you're being denied all sorts of things. Job interviews/offers for example. Worst case - it being used against you in a custody battle.

Imagine if you had decided to become a teacher in the meantime. You really think a school would want to hire someone whose name had been (or is) on a (suspected) paedo list? Think the parents would?
Also, what if you are a teacher and a kid decides to get back at you. They find your email and MSN name and bam! You're on the list and there goes your job and career.

This is a real dumb kneejerk idea from Microsoft that's poorly thought-out and is obviously going to cause massive problems for people further down the track.

Then-it will somehow be linked to your credit score and you'll have to pay higher rates, if accepted.
Auto/health insurance cos will reject you.

Dominos wont deliver you a pizza. You'll give them your # and the teenager on the other end will advise you that you've been flagged and hang up on you. You'll then be served with an order of protection that will keep you from future calls as well as 500 feet from him in 20 minutes or less.

This is a real dumb kneejerk idea from Microsoft that's poorly thought-out and is obviously going to cause massive problems for people further down the track.

That is their way tho'.

This system is ripe for abuse.

this is a waste of effort. any real reports will be lost under the thousands of fakes. every 12 year old will report their friends for not writing back quick enough and shit like that.

I can imagine it now...

Fred9119230: H4h4 ph34r my 1337.

George00193910: You're a frickin' moron.

Fred9119230: That does it you noob midget! I'm reporting you as a s3x 0ff3n3r!

George00193910: What?

I can imagine it now...

Fred9119230: H4h4 ph34r my 1337.

George00193910: You're a frickin' moron.

Fred9119230: That does it you noob midget! I'm reporting you as a s3x 0ff3n3r!

George00193910: What?
That times about a billion. Give or take a n00b.

Ooo... I get that you need to make reporting abuse easy, but how many fakes are they going to get this way? Lot of time wasted, I'd have thought.

Does anyone remember the rash of fake child abuse convictions (or real convictions on fake charges rather) in the 80's?

Police don't like admiting that they wasted time. This is scarey.

Ridiculous.
The system is blatantly prone to abuse.
And besides, chat online and you're fair game for paedophiles...

I can see big problems with this,
kids can report someone if they get annoyed with one of their friends and cause trouble,you could get so many reports they cant be processed.
other than that,its quite a good idea, if a person is pretending to be a child while talking to children(and the child suspects this)then the likleyhood is that the adult is a perv or a peadophile!If they are not they will be checked out anyway-if they have done nothing wrong then they have nothing to hide and cant object!
anything that protects kids has to be a good move, but we will soon see whether it works or not.

Does anybody besides me have an odd feeling that this'll turn into a pedophile thread?

That requires human intervention opposed to automated system … expensive

That and they may not put you on the actual list but it is RARE for a company to delete a record of ANYTHING electronic just in case.

UK Data Protection Act 1998

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/19980029.htm

Regarding the MSN thing...total waste of time and money. Just more pork.

UK Data Protection Act 1998

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/19980029.htm

Regarding the MSN thing...total waste of time and money. Just more pork.
Maybe you should point out a section when you post something that long, eh?

Maybe you should point out a section when you post something that long, eh?

'eh?

Nice!

'eh?

Nice!
Thanks, I think.