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The article is "long" (more than 1 paragraph), so I rather dispare that any of you will bother to read, much less understand and debate it. But I'll take my chances.

The US has been holding 6 Algerians who were working as humanitarian aid workers in Bosnia. The charges against them hsve either been dropped or were not brought in the firtst place. Anyone care to defend this one?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/20/AR2006082000660.html

Why do you hate freedom Daistallia? You know you're only giving comfort to our enemies.

YOU'RE HELPING THE TERRORISTS! TRAITOR!


I kid I kid. Surely no one is surprised by things like this.

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?

but there also Bosnians, why not send them there, and they would only send them back under conditions of surveillance, not exactly Algeria going we dont want the them now is it?

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?

Ship 'em back anyway?

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?

Canada?

Ship 'em back anyway?
Well, that's always been my plan.

Give them parachutes, fly over in a B-2 and drop them in their home country.

After that, it's not our problem.

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?

You missed the bit where Bosnia gave them citizenship...

Why not ship em back to Bosnia ?

You missed the bit where Bosnia gave them citizenship...

Why not ship em back to Bosnia ?

Works for me, but not for the Pentagon.

Why do you hate freedom Daistallia? You know you're only giving comfort to our enemies.
Our enemies hate freedom...

I have never heard that one come from a sane person before...

It is a ridiculously absurd straw man

and...

We need no proof to know they are our enemies, because they are our enemies!

this stuff is great, you should do comedy like that other guy that keeps saying these things

Send them to Bosnia, you know, where they have citizenship, where they were living before this?
Too slow
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11586388&postcount=10

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?
Send them to Bosnia, you know, where they have citizenship, where they were living before this?

Too slow
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11586388&postcount=10

It's great how your post telling him he was too slow shows up before his post, isn't it?

Our enemies hate freedom...

I have never heard that one come from a sane person before...

It is a ridiculously absurd straw man

and...

We need no proof to know they are our enemies, because they are our enemies!

this stuff is great, you should do comedy like that other guy that keeps saying these things

Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony. It is often used in a humorous manner and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words.
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facetious


Comparative
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1. Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant
2. Pleasantly humourous, jocular

It's great how your post telling him he was too slow shows up before his post, isn't it?
I am the God of Hell Fire...

It's great how your post telling him he was too slow shows up before his post, isn't it?
DAMN JOLT! *shakes fist* :mad:

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?

Nope. You miss the part where they have Bosnian citizenship? How about the part where Bosnia wants them?

Nope. You miss the part where they have Bosnian citizenship? How about the part where Bosnia wants them?

Too slow.

Guess that only works for DK. But this got brought up several times already.

Works for me, but not for the Pentagon.
Which is why they should be held accountable for their idiocy.

Our enemies hate freedom...

I have never heard that one come from a sane person before...

It is a ridiculously absurd straw man

and...

We need no proof to know they are our enemies, because they are our enemies!

this stuff is great, you should do comedy like that other guy that keeps saying these things
Um he was “Doing comedy” he was using this tool called sarcasm

I thought this bit was delicious:

One detainee was judged a threat in part because he was a karate expert and had taught martial arts to Bosnian orphans, tribunal records show. He was also classified as potentially dangerous because he was familiar with computers.

Run away! RUN AWAY! Dangerous men alert! :eek:

I thought this bit was delicious:



Run away! RUN AWAY! Dangerous men alert! :eek:

Oh noes! He's training a group of Bosnian ninja orphans! Say, wouldn't that make a good movie?

I thought this bit was delicious:



Run away! RUN AWAY! Dangerous men alert! :eek:

Yes indeed.

I thought this bit was delicious:



Run away! RUN AWAY! Dangerous men alert! :eek:

It's just so when they escort him round the place they are keeping him, they make sure they are careful he doesn't suddenly kick off. It's not like they think he is a threat to the country.

Um he was “Doing comedy” he was using this tool called sarcasm
Still, it was good comedy and I applaud the poster for it ;)

(I might have spotted the sarcasm if I knew the poster better, my bad, oh well ma'alesh)

Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony. It is often used in a humorous manner and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words.
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facetious (comparative more facetious, superlative most facetious)

Positive
facetious


Comparative
more facetious


Superlative
most facetious

1. Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant
2. Pleasantly humourous, jocular


Thanx needed that...

Still, it was good comedy and I applaud the poster for it ;)

(I might have spotted the sarcasm if I knew the poster better, my bad, oh well ma'alesh)
I thought it rather blantant, though that may of been because I said nearly the same thing.

It's just so when they escort him round the place they are keeping him, they make sure they are careful he doesn't suddenly kick off. It's not like they think he is a threat to the country.
Such a big threat, one of them can teleport out of prison to the mountains of Tora Bora and back :eek:

Boudella was accused by the U.S. military of joining bin Laden and Taliban fighters at Tora Bora, Afghanistan, the mountain hideout where the al-Qaeda leadership escaped from U.S. forces in December 2001. In fact, at the time, Boudella was locked up thousands of miles away in Sarajevo, after his arrest in the later-discredited embassy plot.

Now I'm afraid...

I thought it rather blantant, though that may of been because I said nearly the same thing.

Before I read some of the more outrageous posts I would have considered it rather blatant myself, but now I do not know anymore ;)

What do propose that we do Put them back where you found (Kidnapped/arrested/captured/redition/whatever) them..

Put them back where you found (Kidnapped/arrested/captured/redition/whatever) them..
Really sucks to be on the wrong end of the stick, doesn't it?

The article won't load up.

If I got the basic idea however it sounds like typical Bush administration foolishness and illegal activity. Always depressing to see yet more examples of it.

The article won't load up.

If I got the basic idea however it sounds like typical Bush administration foolishness and illegal activity. Always depressing to see yet more examples of it.
Captured during Bosnian conflict (legal). Accused of teleporting from prison to Tora Bora. Algerian in origin, but Algerians won't take them back (US offered). Bosnia will take them under conditions, but US won't send them to Bosnia.

Captured during Bosnian conflict (legal). Accused of teleporting from prison to Tora Bora. Algerian in origin, but Algerians won't take them back (US offered). Bosnia will take them under conditions, but US won't send them to Bosnia.

If no crime can be proved then they should be released. If Algeria won't take them back then fine. If Bosnia will take them under conditions and the Algerians accept those conditions then the U.S. should let them stay there. It isn't the U.S. place to tell Bosnia who it can accept to stay in their own country.

You missed the part where they tried to send Algerians back to Algeria.

Algeria doesn't want them.

What do propose that we do with Algerians that Algeria doesn't want back?
And you obviously missed the part stating that they had double-citizenship and thus are Bosnian citizens as well. Funny that you only read half the story and leave out the facts that would undermine your stupid comment.

Anyway, it's really interesting how the Pentagon has a say over how other countries' citizens ought to be treated. Fuck the headhonchos in the Pentagon. Long, and hard, and in places they wouldn't expect.

And you obviously missed the part stating that they had double-citizenship and thus are Bosnian citizens as well. Funny that you only read half the story and leave out the facts that would undermine your stupid comment.
Funny you didn't read my later post which would undermine your comments here.

Funny you didn't read my later post which would undermine your comments here.
Oh well - when I opened this thread it only had your one reply in it. I answered it, and all of the sudden the page is full of comments.

Could be because I was watching the real world news on German television and didn't care to answer to the thread right away.

Captured during Bosnian conflict (legal).

No. They were arrested in October 2001 by Bosnian police

On Oct. 8, 2001, Bosnian police detained an Algerian, Belkacem Bensayah, who they believed might be Abu Maali. While searching his home, they found a piece of notepaper that listed, in a handwritten scrawl, what appeared to be a phone number in Pakistan and the name "Abu Zubeida."
...snip...
Over the next week, Bosnian police arrested Lahmar and four other Algerians: Ait Idr, Hadj Boudella, Mohamed Nechle and Lahkdar Boumediene. Most of the men have said they were friends who had met through their charity work.


Accused of teleporting from prison to Tora Bora.
This part, oddly enough, is true

Algerian in origin, but Algerians won't take them back (US offered). Bosnia will take them under conditions, but US won't send them to Bosnia.

Not quite. Algerian in origin, US offered to send them to Algeria under conditions, but Algerians won't take them back. Bosnia will take them unconditionally, but US won't send them to Bosnia.

Senior Bosnian officials said they have been told by U.S. diplomats that the six Algerians will never be allowed to return to Bosnia, which had granted dual citizenship to most of the men before their seizure. Instead, U.S. officials have pressed Algeria to take back the prisoners on the condition that they be confined or kept under surveillance there. So far, the Algerian government has balked.

The USA should immediately hand them over to the Bosnian authorities, who are the only police force that has succesfully concluded an investigation into their activities.

Captured during Bosnian conflict (legal). Accused of teleporting from prison to Tora Bora. Algerian in origin, but Algerians won't take them back (US offered). Bosnia will take them under conditions, but US won't send them to Bosnia.

Read the article. They were handed over to the US military 7 years after the Bosnia conflict ended. This was done over the objections of the Bosnia courts and under threat of the withdrawal of US peacekeepers. Bosnia has asked for their unconditional return. It is the US that is trying to place (unreasonable) conditions on the return.

Continung to hold these people is stupid, embarassing, and harmful to US interests.

On Jan. 17, 2002, the Bosnian Supreme Court ordered the release of the six Algerians, ruling that there was not enough evidence to warrant their detention. The same day, the Bosnian Human Rights Chamber issued a separate decision that the men had the right to remain in Bosnia and could not be deported.

By then, rumors had swirled for days that U.S. peacekeeping troops would seize the Algerians anyway.

As dusk fell, an angry crowd of more than 150 people surrounded the prison in Sarajevo. A Muslim radio station urged listeners to turn out to protect the men. Scuffles broke out with police, who dispersed the crowd.

Shortly before dawn on Jan. 18, the Algerians were officially released from Bosnian custody. But instead of gaining their freedom, they were handed over by Bosnian police to U.S. military personnel.

"The only way out was to deliver them" to the Americans, said Alija Behmen, Bosnia's prime minister at the time, in an interview. "We were not interested in introducing a new period of instability in Bosnia."

Other officials said the decision caused lasting harm to efforts to solidify the rule of law in a fragile nation trying to recover from civil war.

Manfred Nowak, the U.N. special rapporteur on torture, said it was especially disturbing that the Bosnian and U.S. governments ignored the order of the Bosnian Human Rights Chamber. Nowak noted that the United States had played an instrumental role in creating the human rights court as part of the international effort to rebuild Bosnia.

"There was a clear order not to deport them from Bosnia. The U.S. government totally ignored it," Nowak said. "It's implausible to say they are enemy combatants. They were fighters during the Bosnian war, but that ended in 1995. They may be radical Islamists, but they have definitely not committed any crime."

On Feb. 2, 2005, Bosnian Prime Minister Adnan Terzic wrote a letter to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice asking that the Algerians be returned to Bosnia.

"I took it for granted that it was the responsibility of this government to try to bring these people back," Terzic said in an interview.

Rice responded on March 17 that it was not possible to free the six Algerians because "they still possess important intelligence data" and pose a threat to the security of the United States.

Three months later, the State Department offered a somewhat different explanation. In a letter to U.S. Sen. James M. Jeffords (I-Vt.), Matthew A. Reynolds, acting assistant secretary for legislative affairs, explained that the Algerians could not be released in part because the Bosnian government "has not indicated that it is prepared or willing to accept responsibility for them upon transfer."

Bosnian officials said they received no such offer. They express frustration over the lack of action.

Justice Minister Slobodan Kovac said there would be no legal basis to place the men under arrest or surveillance if they were returned to Bosnia because they have already been exonerated there. "There is no case against them here in Bosnia, no criminal case," he said.

Ship 'em back anyway?
And have the Algerian government shoot them?

Ya know, I keep wondering when my home country turned into North Korea...

I really do.

Read the article

the fact that his version of what is happening has no relation to what the atricle says is not evidence that he didn't read it. it's just dk being his usual fascist self.

Ya know, I keep wondering when my home country turned into North Korea...

I really do.
When enough people didn't care to show up for elections and thus made it possible for King Louie Bush to climb to his throne. That's when. But I guess it's only a shining example of what democracy is able to do, right?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/KingBush.jpg