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Well its the 23rd....so much for religion eh?

Surprise! You're Dead!

Still waiting for the predicted end of the world...

Surprise! You're Dead!

Still waiting for the predicted end of the world...

this might help!


http://www.armorofgodpjs.com/images/home.jpg

YEAH, i was all excited with the whole incentives plan failing iran mauling that oil rig and shelling iraq, i had all my hopes smashed, damn the iranians, they can never please me.

Yet another predicition down.....maybe it meant their world....as in mindset. :P

It didn't have anything to do with armageddon its just a muslim holiday celebrating Muhammed's miraculous flight from mecca to jerusalem....

the doomsday scenario is media hype

I bet Kimchi got rock hard from looking at the title and clicked, then went soft with disappointment when he found out it wasn't about the Armageddon of Muslims.

:D

I bet Kimchi got rock hard from looking at the title and clicked, then went soft with disappointment when he found out it wasn't about the Armageddon of Muslims.

:D

O.o!? Who's Kimchi?

Eraclea']O.o!? Who's Kimchi?

Deep Kimchi, the guy who said killing arabs is better than sex

P.S. were you being sarcastic? if so I apologize for my humor ineptitude

Deep Kimchi, the guy who said killing arabs is better than sex

O.O! *gasp*

How would he know this?

dude...nah....thats harsh and wrong....

also no one seems to want the pj's either!

I thought he was listening to Bush. I am almost expecting the government to make an announcement that the Muslim predictions have failed and say this is a sign of failing radical extremist Muslim suicide bombings in the future.

this might help!


http://www.armorofgodpjs.com/images/home.jpg

holy mother of mary I need those in adult size!

Those are the awesomest! And I'm not religious.

holy mother of mary I need those in adult size!

Those are the awesomest! And I'm not religious.

Shinto ninjas would be cooler...

Shinto ninjas would be cooler...

Well it was fun while it lasted...crazy religion stuff... :rolleyes:

Well its the 23rd....so much for religion eh?
actually, here it's still the 22nd.

actually, here it's still the 22nd.

yeah...but in Mecca...its the 23rd....

yeah...but in Mecca...its the 23rd....

Well maybe Iran's President is doing one of those last minute deals.

AS much as I hate to burst your bubble guys, there was no muslim doomsday prophecy, it was all media hype

august 22nd is the day muhammed flew from mecca to jerusalem.

AS much as I hate to burst your bubble guys, there was no muslim doomsday prophecy, it was all media hype

august 22nd is the day muhammed flew from mecca to jerusalem.

Ok, so who's next, the Myans?

Ok, so who's next, the Myans?

yup, Dec. 31st 11:59pm(or 23:59 if you use the 24 hour euro thingy) 2008

thats when the mayans said it would hit the fan.

im going to make my own prediction of september 23rd 2009, 13:03:23 EST

there is a margin of error of +/- about 2 trillion years

yup, Dec. 31st 11:59pm(or 23:59 if you use the 24 hour euro thingy) 2008

thats when the mayans said it would hit the fan.

Actually it's Dec. 22th 2012.

Actually it's Dec. 22th 2012.

WHAT!? why was I not informed of the change?

Actually it's Dec. 22th 2012.

Actually, that's the end of the most recent 400-year baktun; the world will not end for an incredibly long time according to the Mayan calendar, and I think we might still have a few more stages of creation left as well.

When the last baktun started in the 17th century, it coincided with the starting year of the Thirty Year's War...not a good thing, but not the end of the world either.

Actually, that's the end of the most recent 400-year baktun; the world will not end for an incredibly long time according to the Mayan calendar, and I think we might still have a few more stages of creation left as well.

When the last baktun started in the 17th century, it coincided with the starting year of the Thirty Year's War...not a good thing, but not the end of the world either.

actually its in approximatly 5 minutes

*puts purple bag on head*

*lies down on floor*

Goes to show that the Muslims have no clue as to when they will meet their fate at the hands of the Lord God Almighty.

actually its in approximatly 5 minutes

*puts purple bag on head*

*lies down on floor*

Oh shit...well, I had a good run.

yup, Dec. 31st 11:59pm(or 23:59 if you use the 24 hour euro thingy) 2008

Even the US uses MILITARY TIME!

yup, Dec. 31st 11:59pm(or 23:59 if you use the 24 hour euro thingy) 2008

thats when the mayans said it would hit the fan.




Is that Central Standard Time (where most of Mexico is) or GMT?

this might help!


*link snipped, because I couldn't look at that again*



Does anyone else find that incredibly creepy and disturbing?

im going to make my own prediction of september 23rd 2009, 13:03:23 EST

there is a margin of error of +/- about 2 trillion years

Given that the universe as we know it has only been in existence for ~13.7 billion years, I'd say the -2 trillion part of your error range is a gross overestimate. :p

However, I'd say that the universe will end when they actually make a StarCraft movie. Hmm, 12/22/2012 might not be such a bad guess, then...

I guess this means I still have to show up for work tommorow.


Darned Ahminehbnutjob. If he hadkept his word I might have the day off. Could he use his dial-a-deity line and ask allah for some rain for the DFW area?

C'mon, help a major league kaffir.....

I've always wondered how DK got laid.

my guess is rape. What about you?


My guess is a one day ban for flaming.

So everyone present and accounted for?

So everyone present and accounted for?
Think how disappointed Ahmanijad is. He apparently had road work done in several Iranian cities "to prepare for the coming of the hidden Imam".

Think how disappointed Ahmanijad is. He apparently had road work done in several Iranian cities "to prepare for the coming of the hidden Imam".

Eewww...look- the hidden Imam DID come...

Think how disappointed Ahmanijad is. He apparently had road work done in several Iranian cities "to prepare for the coming of the hidden Imam".

And of course the many other cults/sects/religions who believe in the end of the world...afterall there is a religious fanatic in the Whitehouse as well as Downing Street.

Think how disappointed Ahmanijad is. He apparently had road work done in several Iranian cities "to prepare for the coming of the hidden Imam".

The Iranian government will end up realizing that he spent about half the year's budget on his nutty predictions and now the government is broke.

And of course the many other cults/sects/religions who believe in the end of the world...afterall there is a religious fanatic in the Whitehouse as well as Downing Street.


The President has faith, so he is a "religious fanatic" ?

Thats an absurd statement.

And of course the many other cults/sects/religions who believe in the end of the world...afterall there is a religious fanatic in the Whitehouse as well as Downing Street.
Haven't heard anyone say we're spending money to repave Constitution Avenue because Jesus is coming.

Think how disappointed Ahmanijad is. He apparently had road work done in several Iranian cities "to prepare for the coming of the hidden Imam".

Why is it when Iran does road work it is because of the return of the 12th Imam

Why is it when Iran does road work it is because of the return of the 12th Imam
Because that's what Ahmanijad is all up about.

He's wanting Iran to belt up, because the 12th Imam is coming.

Probably says it to get the conservative religious vote there, but he actually has to show that he's really spending money on it.

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Probably says it to get the conservative religious vote there, but he actually has to show that he's really spending money on it.

Given how shitty Iran's economy is (hyperinflation+11% unemployment currently) I would think he's just looking for an excuse to create some workfare jobs and put money in to the collapsing economy.

Given how shitty Iran's economy is (hyperinflation+11% unemployment currently) I would think he's just looking for an excuse to create some workfare jobs and put money in to the collapsing economy.

And it sounds good in front of the local imam.

The President has faith, so he is a "religious fanatic" ?

Thats an absurd statement.

Good grief...do you not listen to the guy...watch his actions?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1075950,00.html

Bush says God chose him to lead his nation

Book reveals how President's religious and political beliefs are entwined - and claims he did pray with Blair

Paul Harris in New York
Sunday November 2, 2003
The Observer

President George W. Bush stood before a cheering crowd at a Dallas Christian youth centre last week, and told them about being 'born again' as a Christian.

'If you change their heart, then they change their behaviour. I know,' he said, referring to his own conversion, which led to him giving up drinking.

Behind Bush were two banners. 'King of Kings', proclaimed one. 'Lord of Lords', said the other. The symbolism of how fervent Christianity has become deeply entwined with the most powerful man on the planet could not have been stronger.

Few US Presidents have been as openly religious as Bush. Now a new book has lifted the lid on how deep those Christian convictions run. It will stir up controversy at a time when the administration is keen to portray its 'war on terror' as non-religious.

The book, which depicts a President who prays each day and believes he is on a direct mission from God, will give ammunition to critics who claim Bush's administration is heavily influenced by extremist Christians.

Bush is already under fire for allowing the appointment of General William Boykin to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianisation' of federal government programmes. In September, the government made more than $60 billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion. One group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers - in return for Christian counselling.

Now Bush is likely to face intense scrutiny. The book, The Faith of George W. Bush, was written by Christian author Stephen Mansfield. It details numerous incidents where Bush's faith has been shown to be at the centre of his political thinking.

Among Mansfield's revelations is his insistence that Bush and Tony Blair have prayed together at a private meeting at Camp David. Blair has previously denied this.

Mansfield, however, says that, while there were no witnesses, aides were left in little doubt as to what had happened. He told The Observer: 'There is no question they have shared scripture and prayed together.'

The book also shows that in the lead-up to announcing his candidacy for the presidency, Bush told a Texan evangelist that he had had a premonition of some form of national disaster happening.

Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.'

In another incident, Mansfield recounts how, on Palm Sunday last year, Bush was flying back from El Salvador aboard the presidential jet Air Force One and seemed to be destined to miss church.

However, knowing that Bush hated to miss a service, some officials suggested they worship in the air. Bush agreed, and soon 40 officials were crammed into the plane's conference room. The service was led by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, while the lesson was read by close Bush aide Karen Hughes.

The author also proves anecdotes about Bush that had previously been dismissed as false. Rumours that he had prayed with a young soldier who had lost a hand in Iraq were thought to be myth, but Mansfield tracked down witnesses and a hospital chaplain who said that Bush had prayed with the man, ending by kissing him on the forehead and telling him he loved him. 'For me, that sums up Bush's beliefs. He really believes Jesus is taken up in his heart and soul,' Mansfield said.

· A woman rammed a car carrying her children, aged three, five and eight, into a building where Bush was campaigning in Mississippi yesterday. Betina Mixon, 29, was dragged away at gunpoint and charged with aggravated assault.

Good grief...do you not listen to the guy...watch his actions?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1075950,00.html

Bush says God chose him to lead his nation

Book reveals how President's religious and political beliefs are entwined - and claims he did pray with Blair

Paul Harris in New York
Sunday November 2, 2003
The Observer

President George W. Bush stood before a cheering crowd at a Dallas Christian youth centre last week, and told them about being 'born again' as a Christian.

'If you change their heart, then they change their behaviour. I know,' he said, referring to his own conversion, which led to him giving up drinking.

Behind Bush were two banners. 'King of Kings', proclaimed one. 'Lord of Lords', said the other. The symbolism of how fervent Christianity has become deeply entwined with the most powerful man on the planet could not have been stronger.

Few US Presidents have been as openly religious as Bush. Now a new book has lifted the lid on how deep those Christian convictions run. It will stir up controversy at a time when the administration is keen to portray its 'war on terror' as non-religious.

The book, which depicts a President who prays each day and believes he is on a direct mission from God, will give ammunition to critics who claim Bush's administration is heavily influenced by extremist Christians.

Bush is already under fire for allowing the appointment of General William Boykin to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianisation' of federal government programmes. In September, the government made more than $60 billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion. One group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers - in return for Christian counselling.

Now Bush is likely to face intense scrutiny. The book, The Faith of George W. Bush, was written by Christian author Stephen Mansfield. It details numerous incidents where Bush's faith has been shown to be at the centre of his political thinking.

Among Mansfield's revelations is his insistence that Bush and Tony Blair have prayed together at a private meeting at Camp David. Blair has previously denied this.

Mansfield, however, says that, while there were no witnesses, aides were left in little doubt as to what had happened. He told The Observer: 'There is no question they have shared scripture and prayed together.'

The book also shows that in the lead-up to announcing his candidacy for the presidency, Bush told a Texan evangelist that he had had a premonition of some form of national disaster happening.

Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.'

In another incident, Mansfield recounts how, on Palm Sunday last year, Bush was flying back from El Salvador aboard the presidential jet Air Force One and seemed to be destined to miss church.

However, knowing that Bush hated to miss a service, some officials suggested they worship in the air. Bush agreed, and soon 40 officials were crammed into the plane's conference room. The service was led by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, while the lesson was read by close Bush aide Karen Hughes.

The author also proves anecdotes about Bush that had previously been dismissed as false. Rumours that he had prayed with a young soldier who had lost a hand in Iraq were thought to be myth, but Mansfield tracked down witnesses and a hospital chaplain who said that Bush had prayed with the man, ending by kissing him on the forehead and telling him he loved him. 'For me, that sums up Bush's beliefs. He really believes Jesus is taken up in his heart and soul,' Mansfield said.

· A woman rammed a car carrying her children, aged three, five and eight, into a building where Bush was campaigning in Mississippi yesterday. Betina Mixon, 29, was dragged away at gunpoint and charged with aggravated assault.

Ramming the car sounds criminal.

Praying with a soldier does not. Lots of people do that. It's legal here in the US. Constitutionally protected. The military even has chaplains.

It's not like he's gone out and said, "we now build this road in the name of Jesus!"

Given how shitty Iran's economy is (hyperinflation+11% unemployment currently) I would think he's just looking for an excuse to create some workfare jobs and put money in to the collapsing economy.

No, but Ahmadinejad believes in God, and therefore every action taken by the Iranian government is based on their religious beliefs....

I guess you have little knowlegde of Iranian society, for you would have known that the local Imam is not a respected figure...
Prove it.

And it sounds good in front of the local imam.

I guess you have little knowlegde of Iranian society, for you would have known that the local Imam is not a respected figure...

Ramming the car sounds criminal.

Praying with a soldier does not. Lots of people do that. It's legal here in the US. Constitutionally protected. The military even has chaplains.

And Rabbis and Imams. :eek:

It's not like he's gone out and said, "we now build this road in the name of Jesus!"

And hope he comes to its grand opening. :p

Damn it! The Apocalypse came and went, and looks like I really did get left behind. When did you say the next one is? 2012?

Damn it! The Apocalypse came and went, and looks like I really did get left behind. When did you say the next one is? 2012?

something like that...I'm going to make my own prediction.

We'll still be here in 2013.

Goes to show that the Muslims have no clue as to when they will meet their fate at the hands of the Lord God Almighty.

Yeah.....totally unlike the christians of course....

something like that...I'm going to make my own prediction.

We'll still be here in 2013.

I see your 2013, and raise you 2020!

I see your 2013, and raise you 2020!

I see your 2020 and raise you one kajillion years!

Yeah.....totally unlike the christians of course....

And Christians who think they know when the Savior is coming back are just as misguided and to are to be shunned.

I see your 2020 and raise you one kajillion years!

I see your 1 kajillion years and raise you 200 kajillion kajillion years!

And Christians who think they know when the Savior is coming back are just as misguided and to are to be shunned.

Agreed, even the Bible says that No one on earth, nor the angels in the Heaven, not even the Son himself knows when the end will come. The end will come like a thief in the night.

I know quit alot about Eschatology, actually. Acoording to Muslim tradition, during Armageddon the Twelfth Imam(Or a Holy Warrior named Mahdi, some say) teams up with Jesus; they fight Satan(Who is in Anti-Christ form), and Jesus slays him. Then, they fight the unleashed armies of hell; demons, vampires, and all sorts of evil spirits. Ater the war is over, there will be 40 years of peace; Jesus marries, dies and is buried with Muhammed. Allah then sweeps up all belivers to Heaven, leaves all disbelivers on earth, blows the trumpet of destruction, and the Human plane of reality ceases to exist.

No idea when any of this is supposed to happen, though.

I see your 2013, and raise you 2020!

I'm go to out on a limb here....

There will be no Rapture/Armageddon or any other religious based 'act' that will terminate our existance.

That will happen only under one circumstance - if we have not left the planet when the Sun goes nova. And that is a natural event.

Spare the metaphysical claptrap.

I'm go to out on a limb here....

There will be no Rapture/Armageddon or any other religious based 'act' that will terminate our existance.

That will happen only under one circumstance - if we have not left the planet when the Sun goes nova. And that is a natural event.

Spare the metaphysical claptrap.

Yea, but you don't know that for sure, no one does.

That there will be no Rapture.

Yea, but you don't know that for sure, no one does.

which part? The first or the second?

I'm go to out on a limb here....

There will be no Rapture/Armageddon or any other religious based 'act' that will terminate our existance.

That will happen only under one circumstance - if we have not left the planet when the Sun goes nova. And that is a natural event.

Spare the metaphysical claptrap.

I see your sun going nova and raise you one Armaggedon.

I see your sun going nova and raise you one Armaggedon.

Oh I doubt you'll see the sun go nova :)

Well feck me....I'm typing this ans what are they advertising on telly? Armeggedon! The Bruce Willis one...

Shit :(

Does this mean Bruce is da man?

I know how the world will end. One day, we decide those Chinese sons-of-a-bitches are goin' down...:D

I'm...so confused.

The end of the world? Holy Pajamas?

I've always hated August but...c'mon...

I'm...so confused.

The end of the world? Holy Pajamas?

I've always hated August but...c'mon...

I blame SAD (www.sada.org.uk/).

August is a bad idea, but not worth dying for...

Eraclea']O.o!? Who's Kimchi?
The troll of the month.

And of course the many other cults/sects/religions who believe in the end of the world...afterall there is a religious fanatic in the Whitehouse as well as Downing Street.
How is Tony Blair a religious fanatic?

Even with Bish it's questionable. My belief is that he just does this stuff to get the conservative religious vote.

Given how shitty Iran's economy is (hyperinflation+11% unemployment currently) I would think he's just looking for an excuse to create some workfare jobs and put money in to the collapsing economy.
For an undeveloped country 11% unemployment isn't bad.

Prove it.
zOMG! It's like the Iraq war! The reaction came before the provocation!

That will happen only under one circumstance - if we have not left the planet when the Sun goes nova. And that is a natural event.

The Sun isn't going to explode. Very few stars do that.

Prove it.

That you have little knowledge, for that I have no proof nor would I want to prove such a thing...

Then the proof for the lack of respect for the local clergy... hard...

I guess you might need to visit Iran to know these things, it would be more easy to ask Iranians living in your proximity... There are huge Iranian communities in the US, Canada, and Europe...

Or watch this film that came out a few years ago and was a real hit in Iranian society, in which a escaped fellon, sought refuge in a vilage by pretending to be the local Imam... All the stereo types of the clergy come by...

I will look for some studies on the matter but I can not promise anything

About Iranian society, it is diverse highly patriotic and a religious society possibly quite similar to the US. I actually think that Bush and Ahmadinejad have more in common than they know...

About Iranian society, it is diverse highly patriotic and a religious society possibly quite similar to the US. I actually think that Bush and Ahmadinejad have more in common than they know...
The US South is just a more moderate version of Iran.

The Iranian people elected Ahmadinejad for the exact same reasons that Americans elected Busch.

Prove it.
this is not evidence for ant-clericalism in Iran, but here are some studies:

Old but specific:

Eric Hooglund 'Rural Iran and the Clerics' MERIP Reports, No. 104, Khomeini and the Opposition. (Mar. - Apr., 1982), pp. 23-26.

Interesting study of political Islam, mentions anti-clericalism in Iran

Zubaida, S. 'Trajectories of Political Islam: Egypt, Iran and Turkey', The Political Quarterly, Volume 71, Supplement 1, August 2000, pp. 60-78(19)

Interesting study of current pressures for reform within the Iranian system

Forough Jahanbakhsh ‘Religious and Political Discourse in Iran: Moving Toward Post-Fundamentalism’, The Brown Journal of World Affairs, Vol IX, No. 2 (Winter/Spring 2003) pp 243-254

The US South is just a more moderate version of Iran.

The Iranian people elected Ahmadinejad for the exact same reasons that Americans elected Busch.


They should be able to put aside their differences; they both believe in God ;)

I know how the world will end. One day, we decide those Chinese sons-of-a-bitches are goin' down...:D

"Fire ze missiles!"
"But I'm le tired..."
"All right, take a nap... AND ZEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!!"

They should be able to put aside their differences; they both believe in God ;)

History shows us all that even when the world mostly worships the same deity, people will then get into bloody wars knocking the shit out of each other trying to prove their interpretation of said deity is better than everyone else's. And if the world as a whole ever ends up worshipping the same interpretation of the deity, people will then probably knock the shit out of what that same interpretation of the deity really meant to say.

History shows us all that even when the world mostly worships the same deity, people will then get into bloody wars knocking the shit out of each other trying to prove their interpretation of said deity is better than everyone else's. And if the world as a whole ever ends up worshipping the same interpretation of the deity, people will then probably knock the shit out of what that same interpretation of the deity really meant to say.

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Sad but true.