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"According to a press release from Ireland-based technology company Steorn, the company has recently developed a micro generator that can provide energy with greater than 100-percent efficiency; the micro generator apparently provides free, clean and constant energy.
Because the technology is said to run without an external power source, and requires no other energy to perpetuate its energy output, it would have to violate the Principle of the Conservation of Energy, a fact that the press release openly acknowledges.

The Principle of the Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form, and it is one of the most basic principles of physics. Steorn's technology is reported to not only produce energy at more than 100-percent efficiency, but to do it without any degradation of its component parts, and without any identifiable environmental source of energy.

The project began in 2003, the press release states, and by 2005 it was seeking independent validation from a third-party source. As the technology basically constitutes a perpetual motion machine -- accepted as a physical impossibility within the scientific community -- many academic institutions approached flatly refused to look at it. The press release claims that some institutions did run tests on the micro generator, but all refused to publicly release their findings.

Over the years, many people and organizations have claimed they created perpetual motion machines, but all have been revealed as hoaxes. Because of this, both the U.S. and U.K. patent offices will not issue patents for such machines. Steorn has bypassed this by obtaining patents on the all-magnet component parts; the machine reportedly has no electromagnetic parts.

As of early 2006, Steorn began seeking a jury of 12 qualified experimental physicists to define what test parameters would be necessary to prove or disprove the generator's efficacy. This challenge was put forth in a full-page ad published in The Economist, a magazine chosen for the "breadth of its readership."

"We chose it over a purely scientific magazine," the press release states, "simply because we want to make the general public aware that this process is about to commence and to generate public support, awareness, interest, et cetera, for what we are doing."

NewEnergyReport will continue to follow this story as it unfolds."
http://www.newenergyreport.org/020081.html

So, what do you think? Hoax? If real, do you think we'll actually get this technology anytime soon?

Wait for verification by experiment.

"According to a press release from Ireland-based technology company Steorn, the company has recently developed a micro generator that can provide energy with greater than 100-percent efficiency; the micro generator apparently provides free, clean and constant energy.
Because the technology is said to run without an external power source, and requires no other energy to perpetuate its energy output, it would have to violate the Principle of the Conservation of Energy, a fact that the press release openly acknowledges.

The Principle of the Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form, and it is one of the most basic principles of physics. Steorn's technology is reported to not only produce energy at more than 100-percent efficiency, but to do it without any degradation of its component parts, and without any identifiable environmental source of energy.

The project began in 2003, the press release states, and by 2005 it was seeking independent validation from a third-party source. As the technology basically constitutes a perpetual motion machine -- accepted as a physical impossibility within the scientific community -- many academic institutions approached flatly refused to look at it. The press release claims that some institutions did run tests on the micro generator, but all refused to publicly release their findings.

Over the years, many people and organizations have claimed they created perpetual motion machines, but all have been revealed as hoaxes. Because of this, both the U.S. and U.K. patent offices will not issue patents for such machines. Steorn has bypassed this by obtaining patents on the all-magnet component parts; the machine reportedly has no electromagnetic parts.

As of early 2006, Steorn began seeking a jury of 12 qualified experimental physicists to define what test parameters would be necessary to prove or disprove the generator's efficacy. This challenge was put forth in a full-page ad published in The Economist, a magazine chosen for the "breadth of its readership."

"We chose it over a purely scientific magazine," the press release states, "simply because we want to make the general public aware that this process is about to commence and to generate public support, awareness, interest, et cetera, for what we are doing."

NewEnergyReport will continue to follow this story as it unfolds."
http://www.newenergyreport.org/020081.html

So, what do you think? Hoax? If real, do you think we'll actually get this technology anytime soon?


Publicity hoax.

It'd be great if it's real, but I do tend to shy away from machines that supposedly produce more energy than's put into them. Can you say, "Perpetual Motion?"

how does it work exactly?

how does it work exactly?
Um... magnets... I think...

Hoax. Physics says it's impossible.

Not saying physics can't be wrong, just saying it's highly improbable. Where's the energy coming from?

Where's the energy coming from?
All the hot air on NS General....

All the hot air on NS General....

The Bullsh*t would be more efficient.

Hoax. Physics says it's impossible.

Not saying physics can't be wrong, just saying it's highly improbable. Where's the energy coming from?
I told you... MAGNETS.



It probably is fake... but wouldn't it be the shit?

Hoax. Physically impossible.

I can see making a very, very efficient machine, but it would still need input to make it work.

All the hot air on NS General....

Now that would be virtually inexhaustible.

how does it work exactly?

magic beans

Sounds like a hoax. No details, and the invention was released to the general public before being tested in peer review; chances are, the machine has inputs of energy from hidden sources that make it look like it's over 100%. It's probably like the gasoline pills that worked by swapping water with kerosene by sleight-of-hand.

However, if it wasn't you would see the energy companies going nuts to develop their own versions and enter that market; oil would become yesterday's news overnight as every energy company on Earth tries to take over the new market for themselves. It would be as big a discovery as oil itself...and far better, because the energy generated could be sold for pure profit.

magic beans
No, I think it's either handwavium, or unobtanium, generating pure bullshit rays.

There is some lighting technology that has the potential to be effectively 100% efficient. Had they claimed something like that, I might put more credibility into their statement. Even so, their actions make it a publicity stunt. Kind of like "IT".

I doubt it is at all feasible, but as always, I hope to be proved wrong.

Its complete bullshit. Ignore.

magic beans

oh the man who traded his magic beans for a cow must be kicking himself now:p

edit: if he hasn't already kicked himself from mad cow disease that is

Heres a video:
http://www.steorn.net/en/downloads.aspx?p=6

without knowing how these guys are claiming how this thing is suppose to work.

theres this other dude, who is trying to make energy out of sound waves. so maybe he doing something like that. you can get sound waves without using energy to create them.

and do not ask for proff. it would take pages.

Its complete bullshit. Ignore.
You're doing a very bad job at ignoring this thread.

Sounds like a hoax. No details, and the invention was released to the general public before being tested in peer review; chances are, the machine has inputs of energy from hidden sources that make it look like it's over 100%. It's probably like the gasoline pills that worked by swapping water with kerosene by sleight-of-hand.

However, if it wasn't you would see the energy companies going nuts to develop their own versions and enter that market; oil would become yesterday's news overnight as every energy company on Earth tries to take over the new market for themselves. It would be as big a discovery as oil itself...and far better, because the energy generated could be sold for pure profit.
You are a very intelligent person, but need to learn more physics. Greater than 100% defies the laws of thermodynamics. This cannot be other than hoax. ;)

You are a very intelligent person, but need to learn more physics. Greater than 100% defies the laws of thermodynamics. This cannot be other than hoax. ;)
You need to learn reading comprehension, at no point did Vetalia assert otherwise.

You are a very intelligent person, but need to learn more physics. Greater than 100% defies the laws of thermodynamics. This cannot be other than hoax. ;)

That's what I mean; it's an illusion that makes it look like it's producing free energy, but really isn't. You can decieve people if you're really good at creating a hoax.

But then again, I'll wait until it's tested...

Sounds like a hoax. No details, and the invention was released to the general public before being tested in peer review; chances are, the machine has inputs of energy from hidden sources that make it look like it's over 100%. It's probably like the gasoline pills that worked by swapping water with kerosene by sleight-of-hand.

However, if it wasn't you would see the energy companies going nuts to develop their own versions and enter that market; oil would become yesterday's news overnight as every energy company on Earth tries to take over the new market for themselves. It would be as big a discovery as oil itself...and far better, because the energy generated could be sold for pure profit.
QED

You need to learn reading comprehension, at no point did Vetalia assert otherwise.
And you haven't told me about your whiskers yet!

I'm going to bet this is going to cause a resonance cascade and summon crazy aliens to this planet that can only be defeated by swinging crowbars about madly.

QED

Apparently, I forgot to use the subjunctive; the rest of the second paragraph does use it so it's little more than a grammatical error. :p

An efficent Ireland Based Company?

I'll beleive it when I see it...

An efficent Ireland Based Company?

I'll beleive it when I see it...
Maybe they get rewarded at the end of the day with beer?

And you haven't told me about your whiskers yet!

The statue is a greivous insult. I shave regularly, and am not nearly that freakin old. Who decided Gandalf needed a statue in Stormwind?!

Maybe they get rewarded at the end of the day with beer?
And potatoes.

Apparently, I forgot to use the subjunctive; the rest of the second paragraph does use it so it's little more than a grammatical error. :p
And you are still far and away more intelligent and knowledgable than I, in most things. It is very important for economists and lawyers (and others in positions of political power) to have a firm grounding in physics, just so they don't fall for nonsense such as this ;)

And you are still far and away more intelligent and knowledgable than I, in most things. It is very important for economists and lawyers (and others in positions of political power) to have a firm grounding in physics, just so they don't fall for nonsense such as this ;)

Very true.

And potatoes.

We ran out of Potatoes around 160 years ago actually. Pretty big famine... Surpirsed you didn't see it on the news.

We ran out of Potatoes around 160 years ago actually. Pretty big famine... Surpirsed you didn't see it on the news.
If this technology goes through, Ireland could probably buy Idaho.

We ran out of Potatoes around 160 years ago actually. Pretty big famine... Surpirsed you didn't see it on the news.
I didn't watch tv 160 years ago.

If this technology goes through, Ireland could probably buy Idaho.
Only if they promise to take the State of Latter Day Saints (Utah) and Jesustopia (Kansas) too.

Using magnets sounds plausible though it would be interesting to see how they use them to create energy. But without electromagnetics, it wouldn't technically be perpetual motion because there would be the eventual loss of magnetisation.

Only if they promise to take the State of Latter Day Saints (Utah) and Jesustopia (Kansas) too.
I'm willing to throw in New Jersey with those.

Some guy posted this on the forums at Streorn. He seemed like, real big smart guy, y'know? So I copy and pasted:

"CommentAuthorGeoffrey Burns CommentTime23 hours ago
Several explanations of the physics behind this proposed phenomenon have been aired, including several regarding why the Steorn Device would not work. Although "free energy" has been a taboo for many years and those working on it have been relegated to the realm of crackpots (or worse), this is not completely without reason: almost if not none of the established, tried-and-true physics (upon which, might I add, we have based a great deal of our lives) show any clear possibility of a process which would produce a greater sum of matter and energy leaving the process than entering. However, there are also only a few (albeit firmly established) principles of physics which prevent such a process.

The foremost such principle is the laws of thermodynamics. Although I may be wrong as I am more or less ignorant of the underlying mathematics of modern physics and I would welcome any scientifically based criticism or correction, the laws of thermodynamics might not be derivable from the laws of quantum gravity, which we have yet to formulate. The reformulated thermodynamics would necessarily have very similiar surface characteristics to the current laws, but at least one loophole would have to exist. With that prelude finished, I will discuss my favorite possibility for the new physics behind the Steorn Device and other following "free energy" devices.

This possibility is that thermodynamics contains a loophole which allows the four fundamental forces to violate conservation of mass and energy.
Currently, quantum mechanics permits this violation due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, but only for a short period of time, and this creates a sea of "virtual" particles - commonly referred to as vacuum energy. This is manifested in the "Casmir Effect." These "virtual" particles _do not exist_ unless and until they are made "real" by an energy field in their vicinity. Very simply, magnetism works by two particles exchanging particles, specifically in this case, photons: the more energetic the particle, the less the distance it can travel, and conversely the less energetic the particle, the greater distance it can travel (a particle with zero energy could travel an infinite distance, but would not have any affects). This is the root of magnetic fields diminishing with distance. All of the fundamental forces function similarly, with slight differences: gravity only pulls (as far as we know), the weak force is manifested by the W and Z bosons, and the strong force increases with distance and has three "colors", similar to electric charges. A summary of the forces can be found at:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html

From all of this muddle, the basic idea I generalize in accordance with this concept is that the fundamental forces violate conservation of mass and energy, albeit in a difficult-to-control manner. In this way a particle could follow a circular track and, if accelerated by static asymmetrical forces, could have more energy than when it started, which is what Steorn claims is the underlying effect of their Device.

Any other ideas?
If it seems like i thought about this a lot, I have; I am working on a project of my own, so.... "
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3612&page=1#Item_0

It's a Hoax, nothing can be greater than 100%.

I want to say this is a hoax, but back in the day we firmly believed the earth was in the center of our solar system.

It's a Hoax, nothing can be greater than 100%.

I browsed the forum 4827% more today than yesterday.

I want to say this is a hoax, but back in the day we firmly believed the earth was in the center of our solar system.
Yeah Terecia is right, we used to think the world was flat, that there was nothing west of the European coastline and that the sun revolved around the earth. Hell we used to believe that the sun and the moon were people! It shows you how time progresses.

Besides, we know so little about quantum physics, anything that defies what we have discovered doesnt necessarily make it 100% false. It is just another possibility that we havnt explored yet.

I take the example of medicine. I am a surgeon, and i know that if i cut vein A, connect it to opening B, that the result will be C....but I, and all other doctors and surgeons in my field, have no idea as to why this happens, but it does. Maybe this is the same?!

And as for us irish getting rewarded with whiskey, potatoes and states, we would prefer whiskey and some music, and possibly an island, none of ur crappy mainland states like Idaho, Kansas and Utah. Dont dump ur crap on us! We'll take Hawaii though, if no one is using it

Yeah Terecia is right, we used to think the world was flat, that there was nothing west of the European coastline and that the sun revolved around the earth. Hell we used to believe that the sun and the moon were people! It shows you how time progresses.

Besides, we know so little about quantum physics, anything that defies what we have discovered doesnt necessarily make it 100% false. It is just another possibility that we havnt explored yet.

I take the example of medicine. I am a surgeon, and i know that if i cut vein A, connect it to opening B, that the result will be C....but I, and all other doctors and surgeons in my field, have no idea as to why this happens, but it does. Maybe this is the same?!

And as for us irish getting rewarded with whiskey, potatoes and states, we would prefer whiskey and some music, and possibly an island, none of ur crappy mainland states like Idaho, Kansas and Utah. Dont dump ur crap on us! We'll take Hawaii though, if no one is using it
The laws of thermodynamics are much more well established. Sorry.

The laws of thermodynamics are much more well established. Sorry.
Not so much.

Yeah, dont get me wrong, im just saying that the amount we know about thermodynamics is dwarfed by the amount we have still to discover in the realms of quantum physics