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A bunch of kids from polygamous families rallied in Utah over the weekend to make polygamy legal and recognized under Utah law. Personally I don't see the problem. It's their life, it's their religion, why is the government getting involved? So what's your opinion on this issue?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4210347

A bunch of kids from polygamous families rallied in Utah over the weekend to make polygamy legal and recognized under Utah law. Personally I don't see the problem. It's their life, it's their religion, why is the government getting involved? So what's your opinion on this issue?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4210347

I don't have a problem with polygamy or polygyny. The government has no place defining marriage.

unless some of these people have been forced into a polygamus(cant spell sorry)relationship that its ok!
Do these some of these people believe that it is better to be marrie to more than one persont than not to be married at all.
what I really want to know is,since these men can have more than one wife, can women also have more than one husband?(or it is okay for men but not for women)

Perhaps because Mormons had to disavow polygamy in order for Utah to get statehood...

I don't think the government will be too pleased about giving benefits to all six wives.

I don't even have one :(

can anyone spare a wife? :p

i think this was posted already, somewhere

A bunch of kids from polygamous families rallied in Utah over the weekend to make polygamy legal and recognized under Utah law. Personally I don't see the problem. It's their life, it's their religion, why is the government getting involved? So what's your opinion on this issue?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4210347


Tax purposes. I don't believe in polygamy for several reasons marriage is a committment and partnership to/with each other. Polygamy in this case is unequal the man can marry more than once. The women can't, creating inequality in marriage. Also health reasons.

Tax purposes. I don't believe in polygamy for several reasons marriage is a committment and partnership to/with each other. Polygamy in this case is unequal the man can marry more than once. The women can't, creating inequality in marriage. Also health reasons.

Among it being completely unconstitutional.

Tax purposes. I don't believe in polygamy for several reasons marriage is a committment and partnership to/with each other. Polygamy in this case is unequal the man can marry more than once. The women can't, creating inequality in marriage. Also health reasons.
If you make polygyny and group marriages legal...

What health reasons?

Among it being completely unconstitutional.
LOL that too!

If you make polygyny and group marriages legal...

What health reasons?


have you ever had sex with more than one partner at the same time????????? STD etc. Though I suppose most of those women would believe in no sex before marriage. That aside I just don't agree with it!

If some people want a marriage with three men, four women and a goat it's not hurting me. Let 'em have a ball.

have you ever had sex with more than one partner at the same time????????? STD etc. Though I suppose most of those women would believe in no sex before marriage. That aside I just don't agree with it!
The question is should you outlaw something you don’t “Agree with”

Personally I don’t think personal preferences should limit others freedoms.

A lot of the current governmental opposition to polygamous marriage is based around the fact that it would really weird up certain parts of the tax system.

(Not an opinion on the issue of polygamous marriage, just on the origins of the opposition.)

If some people want a marriage with three men, four women and a goat it's not hurting me. Let 'em have a ball.I agree, except for the goat, since it isn't a consenting adult.

A bunch of kids from polygamous families rallied in Utah over the weekend to make polygamy legal and recognized under Utah law. Personally I don't see the problem. It's their life, it's their religion, why is the government getting involved? So what's your opinion on this issue?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4210347


See now this debate ought be fun. Let's make popcorn and watch!

You've got the crazy religious right Xians who want one man one woman marriage "biblical" they claim (I think they skipped sections of the bible). Then you've got the crazy mormons.

Two religious groups who have very different ideas of what marriage is.

See now this debate ought be fun. Let's make popcorn and watch!

You've got the crazy religious right Xians who want one man one woman marriage "biblical" they claim (I think they skipped sections of the bible). Then you've got the crazy mormons.

Two religious groups who have very different ideas of what marriage is.

No.

Polygamy completey fucks up the tax system and waists money.

It is completely unconstitutional to be married to more then one person, otherwise it isn't a marriage.

I don't care if they get all married religously, but the government can't recognize it as a civil marriage.

No.

Polygamy completey fucks up the tax system and waists money.

It is completely unconstitutional to be married to more then one person, otherwise it isn't a marriage.

I don't care if they get all married religously, but the government can't recognize it as a civil marriage.
Ok exactly how is it unconstitutional?

I agree, except for the goat, since it isn't a consenting adult.
I pity the poor foo' who tries to do anything to an unconsenting goat.

Ok exactly how is it unconstitutional?
Well, in the state of Utah the state Constitution explicitly forbids polygamy.

No.

Polygamy completey fucks up the tax system and waists money.

It is completely unconstitutional to be married to more then one person, otherwise it isn't a marriage.

I don't care if they get all married religously, but the government can't recognize it as a civil marriage.

The constitution says nothing about marriage. Tax code can be re-written, it needs to be anyway.

Well, in the state of Utah the state Constitution explicitly forbids polygamy.

Only because it was a provision of them gaining statehood. Also Utah != US.

what I really want to know is,since these men can have more than one wife, can women also have more than one husband?(or it is okay for men but not for women)

Under their religion - only polygyny (one man, multiple women) is allowed. However, I see no objections against polyandry (one woman, multiple men) or group marriages (mix it !) from a civil point of view. The group can still be considered an economic unit and can still be taxed.

Sidenote: "polygamy" merely means "multiple spouses". It does not mean "one man, many women", even though that is by far the most common form.

I agree, except for the goat, since it isn't a consenting adult.

Might be an adult goat ;)

No.

Polygamy completey fucks up the tax system and waists money.

It is completely unconstitutional to be married to more then one person, otherwise it isn't a marriage.

I don't care if they get all married religously, but the government can't recognize it as a civil marriage.

Give me a quote from the constitution that mentions marriage AT ALL let alone multiple partners.

No.

Polygamy completey fucks up the tax system and waists money.

It is completely unconstitutional to be married to more then one person, otherwise it isn't a marriage.

I don't care if they get all married religously, but the government can't recognize it as a civil marriage.
How does polygamy waste money and how is it unconstitutional? There is no constitutional ammendment (yet) that defines marriage. Why the fuck should government have a role in deciding who you can marry? Why should government interfere with the religious practice of fundamentalist mormon marriage?

Under their religion - only polygyny (one man, multiple women) is allowed. However, I see no objections against polyandry (one woman, multiple men) or group marriages (mix it !) from a civil point of view. The group can still be considered an economic unit and can still be taxed.

Sidenote: "polygamy" merely means "multiple spouses". It does not mean "one man, many women", even though that is by far the most common form.

thanks for the enlightenment!
christians(is it the mormons?)can be so sexist sometimes!
I have no problem with the idea of these kind of relationships, I once knew 2 guys and 2 girls who were in a relationship with each other(i think they still are)and they were very loving and happy!

This is why the government needs to disavow all involvement in marriage and give up tax rates based on marital status. Joint tax returns are nice to have in order to count fewer of them, but come on; the IRS can spare a few more returns for a little sanity. Besides, it's all going to end up being done on computers anyway, so what do they care?

This is why the government needs to disavow all involvement in marriage and give up tax rates based on marital status. Joint tax returns are nice to have in order to count fewer of them, but come on; the IRS can spare a few more returns for a little sanity. Besides, it's all going to end up being done on computers anyway, so what do they care?

The IRS will never give up any money it thinks it can make. There was an article a while back stating that the IRS was pushing for people to go to electronic filing because it was cheaper to process . My question then, is why do they charge $15 to do it but don't charge for paper returns?

Sanity + IRS = oxymoron

This is why the government needs to disavow all involvement in marriage and give up tax rates based on marital status. Joint tax returns are nice to have in order to count fewer of them, but come on; the IRS can spare a few more returns for a little sanity. Besides, it's all going to end up being done on computers anyway, so what do they care?

I do find it kind of amusing that the instinctual abhorrence to polygamy seems to be 'but the taxes!'. Really, I think we could figure out a solution to the tax issue. I think the main concern is to avoid situations with underage spouses, and other issues of abuse.

A bunch of kids from polygamous families rallied in Utah over the weekend to make polygamy legal and recognized under Utah law. Personally I don't see the problem. It's their life, it's their religion, why is the government getting involved? So what's your opinion on this issue?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4210347
The problem I see is that the "polygamy" practiced in Utah is nothing more than institutionalized child rape, in which young girls are sold into marriage by their fathers or religious leaders, to be owned and impregnated by men twice their age.

I don't support child rape. I also don't support the government being involved in any kind of marriage. And I'm pretty much positive that the kids in this situation are just carefully-chosen fronts for the grown men who really really want to be able to legally rape little girls.

Hey, why should some men get six wives when some of us can't even find the one?

Hey, why should some men get six wives when some of us can't even find the one?

Sounds like a personal issue. :p

Sounds like a personal issue. :p

Hmmm, maybe I can buy one of the six wives... *hops on a plane to Utah*

The problem I see is that the "polygamy" practiced in Utah is nothing more than institutionalized child rape, in which young girls are sold into marriage by their fathers or religious leaders, to be owned and impregnated by men twice their age.

I don't support child rape. I also don't support the government being involved in any kind of marriage. And I'm pretty much positive that the kids in this situation are just carefully-chosen fronts for the grown men who really really want to be able to legally rape little girls.
I don't support child rape either, but if it's consenting adults I don't see the problem.

Hey, why should some men get six wives when some of us can't even find the one?
What are you, some kind of communist or something?

Hey, why should some men get six wives when some of us can't even find the one?

Just share one ;)

What are you, some kind of communist or something?

No, I'm just saying don't hog up all the women.

Just share one ;)

eww.... sloppy seconds.

eww.... sloppy seconds.
Beggars can't be choosers :P

Beggars can't be choosers :P

Yea I can, I can go to Thailand, Phillipines, Las Vegas. lol. I just don't have a job or money to do that right now. Hmmm I may go to Mexico though. Yes, even wives are now outsourced! :p

I don't have a particular issue with this, but it isn't a direct result from the debate about gay marriage, as there is no legal connection between the two. (Yes, I know no one has yet made that argument in this thread, but I imagine someone will at some point.)

No, I'm just saying don't hog up all the women.I dunno, that sounds pretty communist to me. :)

The IRS will never give up any money it thinks it can make. There was an article a while back stating that the IRS was pushing for people to go to electronic filing because it was cheaper to process . My question then, is why do they charge $15 to do it but don't charge for paper returns?

Sanity + IRS = oxymoron
To inconvenience people and prove the IRS isn't user friendly.