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Ok, I've heard the conspiracy theories that Osama helped Bush win the last election, because Osama (and potentially other terrorists) want Bush in the Oval Office - knowing that they get more PR and fight out of Bush than they'll ever get out of any Democrat.

Especially with what Democrats promise today - a quick retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan.

I won't debate the merits of that idea, because I'm looking at another theory.

If it is true that terrorists want a Republican in office, and will attack the US in order to provoke voters to vote Republican, then what will happen if a Democrat is elected? Knowing that another election cycle is around the corner, will the terrorists, in an attempt to piss more Americans off, redouble their efforts?

And that begs the question - are terrorists rarely attacking the US now, because they only need to keep the pot simmering, so to speak, unless there's an election?

And since both sides spin their "I can fight terrorism better than you", why is it that even now, when terrorism gets front page headlines, Bush's numbers get better?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-21-bush-approval-rating_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

WASHINGTON — The arrest of bomb plotters in London has helped buoy President Bush's approval rating and the prospects for Republican congressional candidates in November.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday put Bush's approval rating at 42%, the highest in six months. His approval rating on handling terrorism was 55%, the highest in more than a year.

Support for an unnamed Democratic congressional candidate over a Republican one has narrowed to 2 percentage points. For the past year, Democrats have led by much wider margins.

The success in disrupting a plot to bomb U.S. airliners "changes the way people evaluate the job that he's doing on terrorism," says Christopher Gelpi, a Duke political scientist who studies foreign policy and public opinion. "It also changes the subject of public discussion from the war in Iraq, which people are not very happy about." Gelpi cautioned the impact could be fleeting. "One event (in London) is likely to fade in the public mind," he says, "whereas the war in Iraq is an ongoing problem." Bush's rating on six other areas didn't significantly change.

If the terrorists therefore attack outside of Iraq, it distracts Americans from Iraq. It also makes Americans feel more threatened, and in turn, they turn to Bush. Despite their opinion on how he handled Iraq.

Seems like Osama had better get cooking, if he wants Republicans to continue his war. Otherwise, the Democrats are going to sound a retreat from foreign soil, and he'll really have to get busy killing Americans wholesale.

Seems like Osama had better get cooking, if he wants Republicans to continue his war. Otherwise, the Democrats are going to sound a retreat from foreign soil, and he'll really have to get busy killing Americans wholesale.
Like you'd want it any other way, you armchair general. You make me sick.

here's MY theory

the wtc was attacked in '93 a few months after clinton took office. it was attacked again in '01 a few months after bush took office.

i expect a big ass attack or attempt in '09 when the new president is still figuring out how to be president.

Like you'd want it any other way, you armchair general. You make me sick.
Not an armchair general, thank you.

You mean Hypothesis. A theory is proven.

You mean Hypothesis. A theory is proven.
People here on NS have spoken as though Osama deliberately spoke during the last election to make sure Bush won.

To them, it is already proven.

People here on NS have spoken as though Osama deliberately spoke during the last election to make sure Bush won.
Oh, yes? Care to provide names? Quotes?

Oh, yes? Care to provide names? Quotes?
Eat this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11549261&postcount=27

Weren't you part of the crowd laughing and hooting like a mandrill pack that the Democrats wouldn't keep their own seats in Congress much less win the White House?

Weren't you part of the crowd laughing and hooting like a mandrill pack that the Democrats wouldn't keep their own seats in Congress much less win the White House?
Link, or take it back.

Osama supporting Bush? thats kind of like asking how the tree holds those roots in the ground, isn't it?

Osama is around for two reasons; international funding (much from Saudia Arabia) and because, when the USSR went to take his ilk out, we gave the guerillas weapons that could bring down hinds and dismantle soviet tanks.

It's hard to figure out where the Bush power structure ends and the Saudi Arabian aristocracy (or arms industry for that matter) begins, and we all know the people calling the shots when we armed the Taliban are the same who are calling the shots now (look at Reagans cabinet vs. Bush Jr.)

Anyone seen the movie "vendetta"? Osama is our doomsday virus.

As for future attacks, the guy who, in Aug. 2001, said that elements within the U.S. were expecting a major terrorist attack on Sept 10, 11, or 12 recently predicted the next one - the BIG one, by his reckoning - this october. I pray he is a total whacko, against my looney conspiracy theory instincts

Osama supporting Bush? thats kind of like asking how the tree holds those roots in the ground, isn't it?

I'm just taking someone else's theory to its logical conclusion. Not like I believe Osama gives a shit who is in the Oval Office.

Eat this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11549261&postcount=27
Eat what?

People here on NS have spoken as though Osama deliberately spoke during the last election to make sure Bush won.

...and what you linked to doesn't support your claim. Here's your linked quote:

...all of a sudden there is a terrorist threat less than 90 days before midterm elections when many Republicans are facing possible defeat? Hopefully Americans will realize the BS and not think: "Republicans, strong on terror."

and Bottle's response:

"Makes sense. Terrorists stand to gain tremendously if the radical right wing remains in control of the US government, and the best way to help the right wing stay in power is to continue terror attacks."

Nowhere did anyone speak "as though Osama deliberately spoke during the last election to make sure Bush won." Nowhere except inside that paranoiac bundle of nerve endings perched atop your shoulders.

No doubt you'd be ecstatic had it been the case, but instead you'll have to content yourself with poking at shadows of your own making.

Link, or take it back.

Eat This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10990725&postcount=12)

And This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10990094&postcount=77)

And This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11520116&postcount=146)

And This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11514557&postcount=50)

While I don't care to quote, or bother looking the quotes up, I can certainly recall certain individuals on these forums musing on the possibility , since Osama bin Laden put forth a message threatening Americans if they voted for Bush in 2004, he'd strike at the US with renewed vigor, that he was actually trying to get people to respond with a "I'll show that dirty raghead and vote for Bush" (I remember these specific words being used) attitude.

Ok, I've heard the conspiracy theories that Osama helped Bush win the last election, because Osama (and potentially other terrorists) want Bush in the Oval Office - knowing that they get more PR and fight out of Bush than they'll ever get out of any Democrat.

Especially with what Democrats promise today - a quick retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan.

I won't debate the merits of that idea, because I'm looking at another theory.

If it is true that terrorists want a Republican in office, and will attack the US in order to provoke voters to vote Republican, then what will happen if a Democrat is elected? Knowing that another election cycle is around the corner, will the terrorists, in an attempt to piss more Americans off, redouble their efforts?

And that begs the question - are terrorists rarely attacking the US now, because they only need to keep the pot simmering, so to speak, unless there's an election?

And since both sides spin their "I can fight terrorism better than you", why is it that even now, when terrorism gets front page headlines, Bush's numbers get better?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-21-bush-approval-rating_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA



If the terrorists therefore attack outside of Iraq, it distracts Americans from Iraq. It also makes Americans feel more threatened, and in turn, they turn to Bush. Despite their opinion on how he handled Iraq.

Seems like Osama had better get cooking, if he wants Republicans to continue his war. Otherwise, the Democrats are going to sound a retreat from foreign soil, and he'll really have to get busy killing Americans wholesale.

So, in other words, we should elect Democrats, or the terrorists win?

DK, you're problem is that you assume rationality. These guys are so far to the right of the islamic faith that they cant see behind the veil of hatred they've built over so many years. They hate americans and the west so much that they would attack us no matter who was in power. Remember the 93 WTC bombing, the USS cole and the embassy bombings? All happened under Clinton. Good theory, ive thought it through myself a few times but i really dont think these guys care to wasted their time planning bombings around the political ideologies of the US.

here's MY theory

the wtc was attacked in '93 a few months after clinton took office. it was attacked again in '01 a few months after bush took office.

i expect a big ass attack or attempt in '09 when the new president is still figuring out how to be president.


what are they going to blow up, the skeleton of the freedom tower? :rolleyes:

Eat this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11549261&postcount=27
Eat This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10990725&postcount=12)

And This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10990094&postcount=77)

And This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11520116&postcount=146)

And This. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11514557&postcount=50)
No thanks, I'm stuffed... can't eat another bite... :p

what are they going to blow up, the skeleton of the freedom tower? :rolleyes:
or perhaps an attack on a city, this time with chemical or biological weapons.

Hmmm.. if a mojor attack happened in October wouldn't that just prove that Bush was in like Flinn with Osama? There for ... well o.k. I was going to say therefore any rational person would say , fuck Bush and then vote Democrat. Ha Ha what was I thinking? There I go assuming the best out of people again....lol

So, in other words, we should elect Democrats, or the terrorists win?
Hey, it's not my theory. I was just reading what Bottle and the others were saying about Bush, and their idea that terrorists want Bush as President and will do anything to make that happen.

While I don't care to quote, or bother looking the quotes up, I can certainly recall certain individuals on these forums musing on the possibility , since Osama bin Laden put forth a message threatening Americans if they voted for Bush in 2004, he'd strike at the US with renewed vigor, that he was actually trying to get people to respond with a "I'll show that dirty raghead and vote for Bush" (I remember these specific words being used) attitude.

No sense in saying that. The people who actually believe it will say it when they think you're not talking about that and then deny vigorously that they ever said it.