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I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

2nd EDIT: After some of the comments posted, I'm considering ROTC more than enlisting - what do you think?

No.

Depends on how adventurous you are, how willing you are to take your life in your hands.

Shit, is there another time travel thing going on? Could have sworn I posted after you, Nazz.

If you're asking a bunch of strangers on the internet, then hell yes! Join up and see the world!

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

In light of the edit, good god no. Contribute through donations, voluntary work or collections if you feel obliged, but do ot potentially waste your future.

i'm joining the army but i dont think i'll pass the blood test. not enough blood in the drug system.

Oh, and "Poll Please?"

It's always a good way to go. I've been in various branches for 11years.

If you're asking a bunch of strangers on the internet, then hell yes! Join up and see the world!

I'm not asking you to decide for me. I'm just asking you for advice, because I feel like I need to at least talk to someone (even if it is totally random) before I even think about bringing it up with my parents.

Yes, but consider this:

If you go to college first, which you should, you can enter the service as an officer.

Either way, the military needs more liberal-minded and thoughtful members, though especially officers.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.
No, join the Marine Corps. Anyone who joins the Army is lazy, and the Marines are better trained.

No.

Yes, but consider this:

If you go to college first, which you should, you can enter the service as an officer.

Either way, the military needs more liberal-minded and thoughtful members, though especially officers.
If you are going to join, I'd agree that this would be the best way.

In light of the edit, good god no. Contribute through donations, voluntary work or collections if you feel obliged, but do ot potentially waste your future.
Or, he could make his future.

Want to significantly increase your chances of being shot? Want to significantly increase your chances of dying for a cause that may not be true, just or hnourable?

Sure. Join the army, but expect me to label you an idiot.

In light of the edit, good god no. Contribute through donations, voluntary work or collections if you feel obliged, but do ot potentially waste your future.

Yeah, I could donate or something, but I just can't help but feel that it would be, well, bad if I was to avoid serving myself, when poor people who aren't so different from me except in their level of wealth end up serving.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.
that's up to you. just realize, when you sign up, you are obligated to go where and when they send you.

I have several friends in the military and they love it. being stationed overseas, meeting new people and making friends... yeah, the war part sucks. but that's also part of the job.

what ever your decision, think it over carefully and stand by it. ;)

Want to significantly increase your chances of being shot? Want to significantly increase your chances of dying for a cause that may not be true, just or hnourable?

Sure. Join the army, but expect me to label you an idiot.
I'm so glad that you don't live in America.

Go ahead, spit on the people who are protecting you, but expect me to label you an idiot, or worse.

Yes, but consider this:

If you go to college first, which you should, you can enter the service as an officer.

Either way, the military needs more liberal-minded and thoughtful members, though especially officers.

Good idea, actually.

Good idea, actually.
Plus, you don't have to do guard duty and you get better pay and quarters as an officer. I don't know how old you are, but maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to wait for this Iraq thing to blow over before you enlist.

As someone with a severe bullet and shrapnel allergy, I'd say hell no.

As someone with a severe bullet and shrapnel allergy, I'd say hell no.
:p

As someone with a severe bullet and shrapnel allergy, I'd say hell no.
but people do need their Iron and othe Minerals. :D

Plus, you don't have to do guard duty and you get better pay and quarters as an officer. I don't know how old you are, but maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to wait for this Iraq thing to blow over before you enlist.
That's even better. Give yourself a good decade to think about it.

but people do need their Iron and othe Minerals. :D
But not as suppositories!

Or, he could make his future.

In higher education.

But not as suppositories!
??? really, I thought they were injected directly into the blood stream... at a high velosity... ;)

Yeah, I could donate or something, but I just can't help but feel that it would be, well, bad if I was to avoid serving myself, when poor people who aren't so different from me except in their level of wealth end up serving.

Welcome to capitalism. Life is unfair, why try to equalise it?

They're hardly press-ganged at any rate. Financially obliged? Perhaps to their mind. But by no means forcibly conscripted.

In higher education.
The military provides plenty of education opportunities. Besides, I was thinking something along the lines of becoming more mature and seeing the world.

In higher education.

So joining the military = not being able to get a "higher education"?

In higher education.

Yeah. Both of my parents are professors, so they obviously want me to get a high degree. Still, I can always get a degree and serve, right?

But not as suppositories!
"Then it felt like something just jumped up and bit me.

'Aah! Something bit me!'"

:D

Yeah. Both of my parents are professors, so they obviously want me to get a high degree. Still, I can always get a degree and serve, right?

Especially if you pick a technical field. The military encourages going to school while serving.

You may even want to consider the reserves or ROTC. The majority of my Reserve unit has Bach. degrees or higher.

Yeah. Both of my parents are professors, so they obviously want me to get a high degree. Still, I can always get a degree and serve, right?

I wouldn't, but the British army is different. How long would you serve for?

So joining the military = not being able to get a "higher education"?

Not if you happen to be shot. Also, a waste of several years.

The militray doesn't preclude higher education, however it does repress individual thought.

The military provides plenty of education opportunities. Besides, I was thinking something along the lines of becoming more mature and seeing the world.

Mature as in becoming callous, and seeing the world as in a range of Iraqi cities at Bayonet point?

Not if you happen to be shot. Also, a waste of several years.

The militray doesn't preclude higher education, however it does repress individual thought.
I don't know how they do it in Britain, but in America the military will pay up to $71,000 for higher ed, and as far as I know, soldiers are free to say what they wish.

Welcome to capitalism. Life is unfair, why try to equalise it?

They're hardly press-ganged at any rate. Financially obliged? Perhaps to their mind. But by no means forcibly conscripted.

Yeah, maybe they aren't forced into it directly, but have you seen any decent jobs where you don't need a degree of some sort? If they can't pay for their degree, can't get large enough scholarships or enough financial aid, then what other choice do they have if they want to improve their lot in life? Plus, there are some genuine patriots out there...
Basically, I have a bit of patriotism, and, I guess I feel like I should serve my country... which would mean being a soldier. Which I don't know if I should do, which is why I started this thread.

Mature as in becoming callous, and seeing the world as in a range of Iraqi cities at Bayonet point?
Mature as in knowing better than to rant about shit you don't know the first thing about.

Not if you happen to be shot. Also, a waste of several years.

The militray doesn't preclude higher education, however it does repress individual thought.

No, no it doesn't.

Not if you happen to be shot. Also, a waste of several years.

The militray doesn't preclude higher education, however it does repress individual thought.

Sure, there is the risk of death involved, but... what the heck is this about "repressing individual thought"?

Mature as in becoming callous, and seeing the world as in a range of Iraqi cities at Bayonet point?

No, no ignorant bias here folks, just move along.

Yeah, maybe they aren't forced into it directly, but have you seen any decent jobs where you don't need a degree of some sort? If they can't pay for their degree, can't get large enough scholarships or enough financial aid, then what other choice do they have if they want to improve their lot in life? Plus, there are some genuine patriots out there...
Basically, I have a bit of patriotism, and, I guess I feel like I should serve my country... which would mean being a soldier. Which I don't know if I should do, which is why I started this thread.

That might be the difference. In the UK you can acquire a degree better through being poor, and with mediocre result, due to grants and the choice of universities.

Don't do it before college, would be my council.

Sure, there is the risk of death involved, but... what the heck is this about "repressing individual thought"?

Typical nonsense from someone who hasn't served.

To people like that, working together as a functioning unit and following orders = "repressing individual thought" because they like to demonize the military as a bunch of drones.

No, no ignorant bias here folks, just move along.

Where else will a US recruit serve? Another Arabic city?

You do postulate that he has no "Maturity" at any rate, hence rendering your argument flawed.

Where else will a US recruit serve? Another Arabic city?

You do postulate that he has no "Maturity" at any rate, hence rendering your argument flawed.

You do realize that only about 15% of the military is in Iraq/Afganistan right now? There are dozens of bases and hundreds of thousands of Active/Reserve/NG personnel in the states and overseas.

I said something about "maturity"? Really?

Mature as in knowing better than to rant about shit you don't know the first thing about.

Oh no? I may not be intimately informed of the US military, however I should imagine the majority either serve as reservists in redoubts of machismo, or prosecute US campaigns. Oddly, where are the current US campaigns?

You do realize that only about 15% of the military is in Iraq/Afganistan right now? There are dozens of bases and hundreds of thousands of Active/Reserve/NG personnel in the states and overseas.

I said something about "maturity"? Really?

And yet failed to martial a counter-argument. Brilliant.

Prove it. Provide sources.

Oh no? I may not be intimately informed of the US military, however I should imagine the majority either serve as reservists in redoubts of machismo, or prosecute US campaigns. Oddly, where are the current US campaigns?

More uninformed nonsense. Do you have any facts to back up your assertions?

More uninformed nonsense. Do you have any facts to back up your assertions?

Reason. I believe I used "reductio" previously.

Oh no? I may not be intimately informed of the US military, however I should imagine the majority either serve as reservists in redoubts of machismo, or prosecute US campaigns. Oddly, where are the current US campaigns?
What are you talking about?

Reason. I believe I used "reductio" previously.


So your "assertions" are just based on BS. Gotcha.

Well having (failed) a PRMC test (hard as balls no matter what a certain ignorant American says) I’m taking up infantry (yes last resort) so here’s what I think:

I love America.

if this is about some crap about joining the armed forces to serve your country or defend America I suggest you don't do it the military life isn't some sort of sacrifice and its not about killing evil A-rabs


I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.

They say they do but they more looking for engineers and mechanics (so if you have any experience in these areas I suggest you sign up)

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

If you want to help your country you’d be much better off being a fireman or a Doctor

If you really want to do it (not just some bullshit about protecting America from the evil Muslims) I say go for it just aim high put in allot of effort and do your best Infantry is for fuck ups like me* if you think you can do better do it (and specialize early lest you wish to be a human shield)

* like to say that the people in my recruitment centre are doing everything they can to get me out of the infantry because of my grades and (so they think) maturity (yes there going to put me on the adult course though I’m 16 because of it with absolutely no advantages in doing it:mad: )

So your "assertions" are just based on BS. Gotcha.

Nope. Reason does not equate to Bullshit. There may be a postulation or two in there, but nothing not borne out by the reporting of the USAA BBC and Telegraph.

You appear to failed to cite the statistic at any rate.

Nope. Reason does not equate to Bullshit. There may be a postulation or two in there, but nothing not borne out by the reporting of the USAA BBC and Telegraph.

No, it's BS. No "reason" involved.

You appear to failed to cite the statistic at any rate.
*sigh* there are a little under 1.5 million US troops. There are a little over 150K over in the sandbox.

Do the math. Use your alledged "reason".

well i thought about the army
dad said son, you're fucking high

No, it's BS. No "reason" involved.


*sigh* there are a little under 1.5 million US troops. There are a little over 150K over in the sandbox.

Do the math. Use your alledged "reason".

Once more..... having professed ignorance, I want a genuine source beyond the mind if an uncultured hick.

I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?
No. Your life will be wasted on the reckless wars going on now. Help your country by becoming a doctor, teacher or police officer. Those professions protect and create; soldiers destroy.

I'm currently in Air Force ROTC. I've had enough interaction with enlisted to know that the majority of those who are in for any length of time wish they'd gone the officer route. Higher pay, better perks, more leadership potential. More responsiblity too, and you can't have *Quite* as much fun. If you have the grades for college, do ROTC. No question, don't even think about enlisting first, I've never met one officer who told me they wished they'd done that. Get your degree, experience college, enjoy it. And give yourself some time to consider that your job will be to take human life before you jump right in to the theatre.

As for joining the military at all? My take: just because there are massive industrial-political complexes scheming ways to make a quick billion off the next war doesn't mean there aren't people legitimately out to get us.

Once more..... having professed ignorance, I want a genuine source beyond the mind if an uncultured hick.

Oh, an "uncultured hick" . How cute.

Translation: I can't back up any inane statement I've made so I'll resort to insults.

But since you want to play the "source it" game w/o any of your own,

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6EC869ED-2D45-4D82-AAC7-962B49EF47FA.htm

joining the military (why the army?) is a life decision and it should be approached as such. if it fits your notion of the life you want to lead, go for it. if it doesnt further your plans, dont do it.

there is alot to be said for military service. if you arent sure you want to go to college, its a good alternative. it will change your life. take a look at a real soldier. if you would love to be like that, go for it. if it makes you shudder, you dont do it.

do some research away from the recruiters office. strike up conversations with guys who have served. they'll tell you the good and the bad of it. talk to a dozen and youll know if its for you or not.

if you want to both go to college and serve in the military, i agree with others that you should go to college first and serve afterwards.

Oh, an "uncultured hick" . How cute.

Translation: I can't back up any inane statement I've made so I'll resort to insults.

But since you want to play the "source it" game w/o any of your own,

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6EC869ED-2D45-4D82-AAC7-962B49EF47FA.htm

You do appear a tad patriotic and agricultural. You also failed to pick up on the Chaucer hint......:rolleyes:

Not really. I've already stated them as general impressions from the British media.

joining the military (why the army?) is a life decision and it should be approached as such. if it fits your notion of the life you want to lead, go for it. if it doesnt further your plans, dont do it.

there is alot to be said for military service. if you arent sure you want to go to college, its a good alternative. it will change your life. take a look at a real soldier. if you would love to be like that, go for it. if it makes you shudder, you dont do it.

do some research away from the recruiters office. strike up conversations with guys who have served. they'll tell you the good and the bad of it. talk to a dozen and youll know if its for you or not.

if you want to both go to college and serve in the military, i agree with others that you should go to college first and serve afterwards.

Or, w/ the reserves, NG, and ROTC, he could do both. The other branches are also possiblities to look at.

No. Your life will be wasted on the reckless wars going on now. Help your country by becoming a doctor, teacher or police officer. Those professions protect and create; soldiers destroy.

i don't know that i'd go as far as claiming that the cops are all that beneficial...

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.
Do what you want to do. This is an adult decision. Don't let anyone sway you one way or the other.

You do appear a tad patriotic and agricultural.

dude

You do appear a tad patriotic and agricultural. You also failed to pick up on the Chaucer hint......:rolleyes:

Patriotic, yes. That doesn't = blind obedience. "Agricultural"? Now you get to define that.

God forbid I didn't catch a Chaucer line. I guess that must mean I'm completely ignorant because I'm not an expert on Middle English Literature.

Not really. I've already stated them as general impressions from the British media.

So it sounds like you're the impressionable one who has trouble thinking independantly.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

1. The army is not in dire need of soldiers, despite what you hear. Nor is any branch, nor has their standards been lowered, or any other nonsense you heard, the army is perfectly safe.
2. Having said that, join if you want to, join only because you feel its the right thing to do, if I was an American citizen I would, since I felt that the war in Iraq was fully justified.

But this is about you not me, just don't join because you think the army is desperate...because they're not.

i don't know that i'd go as far as claiming that the cops are all that beneficial...

Yea. I was going to point that cops often leave a lot to be desired. Also, now that I think of it, a great many teachers are little more than glorified nannies with persecution complexes.

And then there is all that medicare fraud..........

i don't know that i'd go as far as claiming that the cops are all that beneficial...
Well the police annoy us all but despite that I'm glad that they investigate criminals and catch them before they get me.

I'm really not the type to carry a gun with me. I don't want to have to rely on myself for defence.

Well the police annoy us all but despite that I'm glad that they investigate criminals and catch them before they get me.

that's a nearly insignificant part of the job - and a sizeable percentage of the 'criminals' they spend their time on aren't.

dude

I know, can we get any more stereotypical and condescending?

Before you enlist have serious conversations with your parents (and others if you can) about it. My cousin joined the army without much thought and the whole family is angry at him. Also if you don't support the current actions in Iraq (and don't kid yourself, every soldier will do at least on tour in Iraq) the best way you can serve the country is by cutting the country off from the resources necessary to fight, in other words don't give them another tool to use in the name of a bad cause. If you support the army and you have had the correct conversations w/ your family I would still advise you to wait until after college. It will give you more time to think about it, and allow to join as an officer and avoid a tour of Iraq as fodder.

all the juveniles arguing over semantics and factoids, find another thread. There's no lack, and this guys asking for advice, not an audience to a cat fight.

I do like to play devil's advocate (AND contradict myself), so I'm going to toss this out there - my mother is a mental health pro at a major army base, and statements like "standards haven't changed" and "the army doesn't need people" don't jive with anything I've heard recently. We're not lacking for soldiers, but the soldiers we have are getting mangled up - psychologically, through repeated and extended tours.

THAT SAID, do not join the military because of a guilt trip. Do it if you feel it's the right thing to do. Talking to active duty is the best suggestion I've heard so far, though I would add STAY AWAY from recruiters. No offense to anyone reading, but I've heard them put some crazy spin on things.

Yeah, maybe they aren't forced into it directly, but have you seen any decent jobs where you don't need a degree of some sort? If they can't pay for their degree, can't get large enough scholarships or enough financial aid, then what other choice do they have if they want to improve their lot in life? Plus, there are some genuine patriots out there...
Basically, I have a bit of patriotism, and, I guess I feel like I should serve my country... which would mean being a soldier. Which I don't know if I should do, which is why I started this thread.

Well, I have to admit, I joined the military for much the same reasons. Terrorism, the threat of an even greater crisis...there are a number of valid points you could justify joining for. However, I wasn't ready for it. I'm only eighteen, and I had to opt out after a few weeks. I was a bit ashamed to do it, but I listened to my platoon-mates and took their advice; live a little, work as a civilian for a bit, and then, if I wanted to, come back to the military later.

I don't know how old you are. If you're young, then I'd suggest going with college first. You seem a decent sort, especially since you're considering joining to help equalize the rich/poor status in the military. That's a good-hearted reason. But let me tell you now: do NOT join simply for patriotism. You are a person too, right? You gotta do things for yourself as well.

Now, I'm not saying don't join. By all means, go ahead. But do it for yourself AND your country, if you absolutely want to do this. I'll admit that I wasn't ready for the separation from my home and family, but I live in Western Canada: trying to adapt to military life whilst living among a bunch of Frenchies was too big a culture shock for me. :rolleyes:

Anyway, on a final note, the military isn't the only way you can serve your country. Like it was stated earlier, becoming a Paramedic or a Policeman would certainly qualify as serving. The Coast Guard is an important branch of American Home Security, and becoming a Firefighter is most certainly as daring a career choice as any branch in the military...save for a voluntary minesweeper. Regardless, look at your options, consider HOW you want to serve your country, and decide upon a way that you figure will fit you best. Don't try and fill a spot not suited for ya.

And that's my two cents. :D

hell no.

My two cents of sound advice: Don't fucking do it, man!

If you want to serve you nation in a military service, great..Ever think of the Coast Guard?
I spent 25 years in the Coast Guard, and although it is considered a military service of the US it's mission is more humanitarian/law enforcement with most of its missions along those lines then an active military one.While they do in some cases deploy to active war zones in the Coast guard that is almost exclusivly volentary.

If that intrests you let me know I can give you all kinds of info.

The problem with military service is that the vast majority of people who join up do so at a very young age, 17 to 21. Whilst some people of this age have developed a maturity of thinking and know what they want from life, it would be my guess that most actually don't. Many people join the military often because they have no other place to go, and spend their whole working lives there, and have great problems adjusting to civvy life when they come out. I know this, i spent 11 years in the military and had a major problem adjusting when I came out.

My advice would be to live and grow a little. Your motives for joining seem very good, but still, there are a myriad of options out there. Explore them for a while, and make sure your absolutely sure its what you want to do.

No, join the Marine Corps. Anyone who joins the Army is lazy, and the Marines are better trained.

my kid is getting out of army bootcamp this week...i am driving down to fort benning in 2 days to see him graduate.

he is HARDLY LAZY...lol...direct your disdain towards the sailors...seamen?

just messing around,but i know all the services have a rivalry..but the army guys are ground pounders too...just like marines.

now navy guys..

either way..i hear fort benning is brutal..especially in the summer..almost as rough as parris island.

to the op....if you decide to serve our country...idiot rulers come and go...but the respect all in the service deserve will never change.

think it through,and remember...we are at war..a weird war that shifts,but war nonetheless.

do what is right for you,myself,i would have gone into engineering as i like heavy equipment,or into the airforce as i love flying..but was to lazy to study...bummer.

Yes, but consider this:

If you go to college first, which you should, you can enter the service as an officer.

Either way, the military needs more liberal-minded and thoughtful members, though especially officers.

Bah. Everyone knows liberal-minded equals pansies who would rather invite the terrorist scumbags over for tea instead of impaling them on their own shinbones like they deserve.

I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.
I'm going to have to suggest you don't join the army, unless you join a division where you have no chance of being shipped off to your doom.

I'm going to have to suggest you don't join the army, unless you join a division where you have no chance of being shipped off to your doom.

Move to Switzerland?

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.Realise that the primary purpose of an Army is to serve its country by being able to or actively killing people, even if you only end up with a desk job. There are other ways to serve one's country too, so if that's what you want to do, you could always join a fire brigade or work with underprivileged children.

*sigh* there are a little under 1.5 million US troops. There are a little over 150K over in the sandbox.

Do the math. Use your alledged "reason".

In the Army? Or the entire military?

I can guarentee you that there are a lot more army guys in Iraq than Navy guys for instance...

And the OP did say ARMY not Military.

Yes, but consider this:

If you go to college first, which you should, you can enter the service as an officer.

Either way, the military needs more liberal-minded and thoughtful members, though especially officers.
I wholeheartedly agree.

In the Army? Or the entire military?

I can guarentee you that there are a lot more army guys in Iraq than Navy guys for instance...

And the OP did say ARMY not Military.
1.5 million Regular troops actually, with 550,000 of these being land-based troops, Reserve and National Guard Units account for another 1.3 million troops, and the reservists and guard units are primarily land based forces.

For the love of all that is good and holy, only sign if they can guarantee you Ranger school or some hardcore mofo MOS.

Or go see a Marine recruiter.

I'm going to have to suggest you don't join the army, unless you join a division where you have no chance of being shipped off to your doom.

We need more trigger pullers.

We need more trigger pullers.

they as in the enemi\y of my world seem to have many that will pull the trigger....or detonate their dumb asses in a a market full of kids...real tough guys..lol...

do what your insticnts tell you to do...and ignore the hand wringers...i personally have zip respect for some pos coward that blows up kids so he can get laid in the sfterlife...what a fucking fool...as are all the chamberlain losers.
they love death and hate...they as in the muzzie extremists...or the equally extreme israili commandos..they embrace death.

i think they are all around the bend.

that said....if some coward piece of shit blows up my kid,and wont fight me on the field...then he deserves to be blasted to allah.

wring your hands all you want...the simple fact is.....some people like war....some people know nothing more then war...and it is disgusting.

their is arabs and jews that are so full of hate and resentment..they will never sit down and have peace....so why the fuck you kill my kid?
now i want to kill your dumb ass.

stupid fucks if you ask me..like a barfight between 2 drunken idiots.

that said...my kid is army,and he is loyal to all that we hold dear...smokin weed,drunk driving and getting laid...the muzzies are all about beating their women down,imposing sharia law and killing infadels...take a guess on whose side i am on..lol

fucking bringing up the rear of civilization if you ask me..and i am just a twit.

go hug a suicide bomber...lol..see if they care..fucking insane if you ask me...yet they are the cause celebre'

retarded


as i am!

1.5 million Regular troops actually, with 550,000 of these being land-based troops, Reserve and National Guard Units account for another 1.3 million troops, and the reservists and guard units are primarily land based forces.

What is the total army number? Not number of troops, because troops can be army, navy, marines or air force.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

There are other ways to serve your country. You could take up law and be a public defender. You could join the peace corps. You could take up medicine and become a medic. You don't have to join the army as the only recourse to serve your nation.

If you feel that the army is right for you, and not just a duty you have to work off, then yes, you should. If you don't feel that way, but still feel you have a duty, join the peace corps. You can serve your nation just as well without having to be in the military.

Wow. A lot of you guys posted while my internet connection was down. Well, having given it thought, I'm thinking about applying for the ROTC - not enlisting. Still, I'm unsure - again, what do you guys think?

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

You have to do what your heart tells you is right...not a bunch of keyboard humpers .

It's up to you...If you really think that shooting not-25-year-old-yet people is the best thing to do for America, do it.

But you know, one of these day, someone could tell you "shoot him". And you'll have to shoot someone. Someone with a family. With parents. Maybe a wife and children. If you erase a life, you break other lives. Always. Imagine...Just a second, imagine that you could have to sacrifice someone for America. And then, you could forget that you did it for America, because you'd have killed someone. Think about it...Having blood on your hands, is it the best way to love your country? Your country is not menaced. I mean, tomorrow, you wont be attacked by another country. War is the most horrible thing on earth...Think it twice...Really...
I'm maybe only 15 to know life, maybe I am a pain, maybe I am stupid...But if I were you...I would really think it twice before joining army!

Wow. A lot of you guys posted while my internet connection was down. Well, having given it thought, I'm thinking about applying for the ROTC - not enlisting. Still, I'm unsure - again, what do you guys think?


He Undershi, how is your life currently?

Man up, ditch your life, fly to France and join the legion. Although it's not as fun now as it was in the 'march or die' days.





What?

I would have to say no, I am in the Army Reserves but have not yet been to basic yet. I dont leave for awhile, but I totally feel as if I joined for all the wrong reasons. I've already said the oath and signed the contract so I guess im F*cked. Though if i really dont feel like going I could always make out with another man as b4 they try and take me. anyone know any other ways out? anyways, I guess if you want to go fight in "bush's war" you should join. But thats what Iraq is. Bush's war, his and the republicans personal war. Its not "America's war" like world war two. I would be gladly joining and going to war if there was another war like that, but the Iraq/terrorism crap is just stupid. There is no right or wrong side. There is no immenent threat of America's destruction. If those things were different I'd be all for it, but its just a mess. Is going off an killing a poor arab man who hates the US really worth it? sure he hates America, but is him and his bare feet and his AK really gonna destroy us? no. He simply wants the US out of his homeland. Not saying he's right, or wrong, but is it the job of the US to decide other people's fate?

he is HARDLY LAZY...lol...direct your disdain towards the sailors...seamen?

now navy guys..
Hey! My folks were sailors, asshole!

...I'm going army, though...

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

I'd say join. The money's good. But also there's some drawbacks. Like going over to countries where it's practically guerilla warfare and you have no idea who the enemy is. Or getting shot at or having rockets fired at you. Or getting practically no sleep on a regular basis. Or watching your friends die. Or having the people whose country you are occupying hate you beyond all belief. Or having the strange feeling no one will even say thank you for what you're doing.

But shit, the money's good.

[Just a quick note to anyone who's going to take offense at this: I do not hate soldiers. They go through a lot of shit, as mentioned above. I want nothing more than for them to be safe at home. I do, however, hate the cowards who send them into wars without risking anything at all, not even a night's lost sleep.]

[Just a quick note to anyone who's going to take offense at this: I do not hate soldiers. They go through a lot of shit, as mentioned above. I want nothing more than for them to be safe at home. I do, however, hate the cowards who send them into wars without risking anything at all, not even a night's lost sleep.]

Yes, it makes me sick. Maybe if we went back to the days when leaders actually led, you know, be leaders, lead the army to victory, lead they're armies from the front, things would be different.

I'd say join. The money's good. But also there's some drawbacks. Like going over to countries where it's practically guerilla warfare and you have no idea who the enemy is. Or getting shot at or having rockets fired at you. Or getting practically no sleep on a regular basis. Or watching your friends die. Or having the people whose country you are occupying hate you beyond all belief. Or having the strange feeling no one will even say thank you for what you're doing.

But shit, the money's good.
The money's good? Everything I hear about soldier's pay is that it's terrible...

*shrug* Anyway, I don't really have anything else. 1.5 GPA? No way I'm gettin' into college.

The money's good? Everything I hear about soldier's pay is that it's terrible...

*shrug* Anyway, I don't really have anything else. 1.5 GPA? No way I'm gettin' into college.

No the money is not good, I have a freind who went active duty infantry, and is going strait to the middle east (whatever country we're in by then) after his AIT, and he did not get a single penny in bonus. ALL OF THAT bonus BS you see on TV and the ads is LIES. LIES LIES LIES. The most bonus I've ever heard of was only 6,000. Far from the 20,000-30,000 shit they say.

There are far better ways to serve our country these days than picking up a gun.

There are far better ways to serve our country these days than picking up a gun.
Picking up a chick?

"Hey, baby... wanna save America?"

Picking up a chick?

"Hey, baby... wanna save America?"

dude...

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

That is a fantastic attitude to have, and you should be congratulated on that. :)

However, "the U.S. needs soldiers" is surely not your only reason for thinking of joining is it?

Because I'm sure the U.S needs a lot of things too- doctor's, teachers, firemen, paramedics, policemen.

Just because the U.S military is finidng it hard to meet recruitment quotas and publicising that fact, doesn't take away from the needs of the other professions.

I'm still amazed nobody has said so before, so I will now!

If you really have to join the army, let it be the right one:

http://www.goodrock.com/productpics/shirts/thumbs/s2868.gif

(I'm a conscious objector and served my community as a paramedic - a decision which has enriched and influenced my life in a very positive way. I believe I served "my people" better than any military service ever could have)

Anyway, I can only recommend you do not join the US armed forces for you will surely see and be in trouble rather sooner than later. :(

That is a fantastic attitude to have, and you should be congratulated on that. :)

However, "the U.S. needs soldiers" is surely not your only reason for thinking of joining is it?

Because I'm sure the U.S needs a lot of things too- doctor's, teachers, firemen, paramedics, policemen.

Just because the U.S military is finidng it hard to meet recruitment quotas and publicising that fact, doesn't take away from the needs of the other professions.

Of course that isn't my only motivation for wanting to join - I also feel quite a bit of, well, patriotism and so forth, even if I don't necesarilly approve of the current president. Anyway, who was it who said:
"May it always be right, but my country right or wrong."?

Mature as in knowing better than to rant about shit you don't know the first thing about.
Has never stopped you though, has it?

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

2nd EDIT: After some of the comments posted, I'm considering ROTC more than enlisting - what do you think?

I personlay think ROTC to be the better option

But either way just going through collage, geting a degree and working your ass off to better things is doing something for your country, dont let some highschool dropout or some millitary recruter tell you any different

You do realize that only about 15% of the military is in Iraq/Afganistan right now? There are dozens of bases and hundreds of thousands of Active/Reserve/NG personnel in the states and overseas.
15% at any one time.
AFAIK, they do tend to rotate the troops there.
That's a big difference to saying one has only a 1 in 7 chance of being sent to Iraq.
I'd wager it's probably closer to 1 in 3 chance of being posted there.


As to the OP, how much do you agree with the following quote:
I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture.....and kill them. I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill!
Your answer should tell yourself what you really want.

I would personally say that it's not a very good idea at all.

The Army doesn't need more soldiers at all, it would just like them, so that they had more cannon fodder, to be perfectly honest.

Since the situation in the Middle East is only going to get worse before it gets better, and what with Bush's current antipathy towards Chavez also, there are going to be a lot more places full of US troops in the none-too-far future, methinks.

And you don't really want to be getting shot at to absolutely no good end for America when you could do something actually useful like working in a hospital and be helping the general public in that fashion, do you?

Joining the army doesnt necessarily mean youre putting yourself in harms way. There are plenty of non-combat jobs which help.

Joining the army doesnt necessarily mean youre putting yourself in harms way. There are plenty of non-combat jobs which help.

You could also end up not being sent to the war zone. It depends on your specialty.

If you're a cook, it's unlikely that you're going to see any combat, even if you are in Iraq.

If you're a pharmacy tech, you'll never see any combat.

And even if you have a "combat job" like infantry, odds are that even if you do see combat, you will not be wounded or killed. Yes, there are casualties, but the percentage is minor compared to any previous war the US ever engaged in.

Picking up a chick?

"Hey, baby... wanna save America?"

Well, some whiny conservatives are afraid of brown people making babies, so they might consider making white babies a true service to America.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

2nd EDIT: After some of the comments posted, I'm considering ROTC more than enlisting - what do you think?

Don't listen to ANYONE here, not even me. We NSers just try to force our political standings on you. But since you did ask for my opinion, I'd say the army is a noble idea, and if you joined it, I'd congratulate you. Terrorists are not good people, contrary to what the Liberal mind would have you believe, and killing is never good. But, sometimes it is neccesary. Machiavelli said morals are about sacrifice, and sometimes the greatist sacrifice is our morals. He said even someone who wouldn't kill a man who was trying to kill him on the street, might still be in the army, because he's fighting for his country, not himself. If his country wants him to fight, kill, or die he does it, regardless of his personal morals because he feels an obligation.
I'll close with, once more DO NOT LISTEN TO US!

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to what the Liberal mind would have you believe
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You make it sound like some sort of hive collective or something

Who or what is the liberal mind?

you should ask yourself why?
and then
Why not?
the rest is up to you;)

you should ask yourself why?
and then
Why not?
the rest is up to you;)

Agreed … I absolutely valued my right to CHOOSE my future and I made the best decision for myself that I could

I would never begrudge someone that same freedom

Terrorists are not good people, contrary to what the Liberal mind would have you believe

Riiiiight.

Riiiiight.

I think I've said it before in this thread:

DO NOT LISTEN TO ADVICE FROM NSers ON HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE.

Think about it, there's better ways to serve your country than to die off in some other country. Going to college, getting a job, and helping the economy will bettter us as a whole compared to you shooting some people in a different country (Or getting shot yourself). Really, I'm not dissing the army, but if you want to serve your country, do it the way that will really help.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

2nd EDIT: After some of the comments posted, I'm considering ROTC more than enlisting - what do you think?

NO. DO NOT JOIN.

NO. DO NOT JOIN.

JOIN. I HAD A LOT OF FUN.

The military provides plenty of education opportunities. Besides, I was thinking something along the lines of becoming more mature and seeing the world.

Once, the same applied to the Church. In a monastery, they had books. Not all the books, but ... books were rare and precious then. Any kind of library and the knowledge to read it was a huge privelege. You could discuss frankly the issues which in public you were expected to hold the Church line on. Noah and such. But monasteries preserved at least some of the ancient texts without which the Renaissance would not have happened.

Here's the analogy (a crazed and drunken one, as most of mine are): the army preserves the ancient knowledge that history can be changed by violence. Learn the means, the method of ten-to-one killing, and use it to change the world.

Join the armed forces. Get your education, and your weapons training. You'll make a great terrorist.

... (why is there no 'little black bomb with fizzling fuze' icon?)

JOIN. I HAD A LOT OF FUN.
Many return with PTSS, however.

That said, the best advise I can give you is:

Do not go to flee dificulties or problems in your life, there are better ways to deal with these
Listen to the advise of other people, but do what you think is right for yourself and not for others.

Many return with PTSS, however.

That said, the best advise I can give you is:

Do not go to flee dificulties or problems in your life, there are better ways to deal with these
Listen to the advise of other people, but do what you think is right for yourself and not for others.


Bullshit. Prove to me that the majority come back with PTSD.

Bullshit. Prove to me that the majority come back with PTSD."Many" = "Majority"? Since when that? :confused:

Bullshit. Prove to me that the majority come back with PTSD.

Pure unadultered BS that the majority come back with PTSD.

There are far better ways to serve our country these days than picking up a gun.

I've never seen the peace corps or a lawyer make good changes in national foreign policy.

It's up to you...If you really think that shooting not-25-year-old-yet people is the best thing to do for America, do it.

But you know, one of these day, someone could tell you "shoot him". And you'll have to shoot someone. Someone with a family. With parents. Maybe a wife and children. If you erase a life, you break other lives. Always. Imagine...Just a second, imagine that you could have to sacrifice someone for America. And then, you could forget that you did it for America, because you'd have killed someone. Think about it...Having blood on your hands, is it the best way to love your country? Your country is not menaced. I mean, tomorrow, you wont be attacked by another country. War is the most horrible thing on earth...Think it twice...Really...
I'm maybe only 15 to know life, maybe I am a pain, maybe I am stupid...But if I were you...I would really think it twice before joining army!

Fortunately, however, your family comes before his family.

they as in the enemi\y of my world seem to have many that will pull the trigger....or detonate their dumb asses in a a market full of kids...real tough guys..lol...

do what your insticnts tell you to do...and ignore the hand wringers...i personally have zip respect for some pos coward that blows up kids so he can get laid in the sfterlife...what a fucking fool...as are all the chamberlain losers.
they love death and hate...they as in the muzzie extremists...or the equally extreme israili commandos..they embrace death.

i think they are all around the bend.

that said....if some coward piece of shit blows up my kid,and wont fight me on the field...then he deserves to be blasted to allah.

wring your hands all you want...the simple fact is.....some people like war....some people know nothing more then war...and it is disgusting.

their is arabs and jews that are so full of hate and resentment..they will never sit down and have peace....so why the fuck you kill my kid?
now i want to kill your dumb ass.

stupid fucks if you ask me..like a barfight between 2 drunken idiots.

that said...my kid is army,and he is loyal to all that we hold dear...smokin weed,drunk driving and getting laid...the muzzies are all about beating their women down,imposing sharia law and killing infadels...take a guess on whose side i am on..lol

fucking bringing up the rear of civilization if you ask me..and i am just a twit.

go hug a suicide bomber...lol..see if they care..fucking insane if you ask me...yet they are the cause celebre'

retarded


as i am!

Aj you never cease to make me laugh! :D

"Many" = "Majority"? Since when that? :confused:

It's not likely for anyone to come back with PTSD. It just isn't as widespread as Oliver Stone would have you believe.

It's not likely for anyone to come back with PTSD. It just isn't as widespread as Oliver Stone would have you believe.I don't rely on Oliver Stone for my information. Regardless, many still doesn't mean majority. Pity that DesignatedMarksman hasn't figured that out, as you can see above.

I don't rely on Oliver Stone for my information. Regardless, many still doesn't mean majority. Pity that DesignatedMarksman hasn't figured that out, as you can see above.
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/41/7/1-a

10% of Iraq vets. A smaller percentage of Afghanistan vets.

I would bet that it also coincides largely with being wounded.

The military has also discovered (in the mid-1990s) that certain people can NEVER get it, no matter how long they are in combat. Not "many" but some.

10% at the high end doesn't strike me as "many".

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/41/7/1-a

10% of Iraq vets. A smaller percentage of Afghanistan vets.

I would bet that it also coincides largely with being wounded.

The military has also discovered (in the mid-1990s) that certain people can NEVER get it, no matter how long they are in combat. Not "many" but some.

10% at the high end doesn't strike me as "many".Actually, I'd rank 10% as many. It's more of a statement about an absolute number than a ratio, in my opinion. 1 in 10 is definitely not a majoriy, but it is many.

Basically a semantics debate.

Its a big thing to kill a man, you take away everything hes got, everything hes ever had, and everything he ever will have. Could you do it?

On the other hand, you are giving your freedom, potentially your life, for the betterment of the society in which you live. Without the grunts there would be no United states (you are american right?), there would be no Rome, no Athens.
If you can be a soldier expect to be treated like shit by hippies, govornment budget, and the army. Just remember what you are going to do:
"whatever the hell you tell me to, SIR!" -Forest Gump

You can certainly do so, although be forewarned that you won't make a good salary until you've been in the service for years. Some low-ranking soldiers are eligible for food stamps.

If you're serious in this ambition, I suggest enrolling in The Citadel

www.citadel.edu

Great school, and unlike West Point, if you change your mind about the military, you won't be obliged to join and you'll have a college education

Its a big thing to kill a man, you take away everything hes got, everything hes ever had, and everything he ever will have. Could you do it?

On the other hand, you are giving your freedom, potentially your life, for the betterment of the society in which you live. Without the grunts there would be no United states (you are american right?), there would be no Rome, no Athens.
If you can be a soldier expect to be treated like shit by hippies, govornment budget, and the army. Just remember what you are going to do:
"whatever the hell you tell me to, SIR!" -Forest Gump

BTDT.

Novice;11607972']Think about it, there's better ways to serve your country than to die off in some other country. Going to college, getting a job, and helping the economy will bettter us as a whole compared to you shooting some people in a different country (Or getting shot yourself). Really, I'm not dissing the army, but if you want to serve your country, do it the way that will really help.

:confused:
Really? Taking a job and a seat in a good college from someone else will help this country more than protecting it will? That's news to me.

If you want to help your nation and don't want to kill people, maybe you should try to become a 68W (Army combat medic). *shrug* But, hey, WTF do I know?

... (why is there no 'little black bomb with fizzling fuze' icon?)
You are looking in the wrong places...

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You absolutely should join the army (or some other service branch). Your country needs you. Perhaps you might even be able to see action in combat. The only thing that would worry me is the whole depleted uranium stuff. It might be best to serve in a service branch where you are not exposed to too much of that stuff.

Our great country needs people like you right now. Do not listed to the cowards, liberals and gays, you should listen to your heart and your sense of duty.

You absolutely should join the army (or some other service branch). Your country needs you. Perhaps you might even be able to see action in combat. The only thing that would worry me is the whole depleted uranium stuff. It might be best to serve in a service branch where you are not exposed to too much of that stuff.

Our great country needs people like you right now. Do not listed to the cowards, liberals and gays, you should listen to your heart and your sense of duty.
Ah, so we should work for Mrs. Teasdale...

You absolutely should join the army (or some other service branch). Your country needs you. Perhaps you might even be able to see action in combat. The only thing that would worry me is the whole depleted uranium stuff. It might be best to serve in a service branch where you are not exposed to too much of that stuff.

Our great country needs people like you right now. Do not listed to the cowards, liberals and gays, you should listen to your heart and your sense of duty.

I told him to use his mind and choose what is best for his life

But I am a bisexual liberal (well libertarian but often on the liberal side) so you should not listen to me
:rolleyes:

I told him to use his mind and choose what is best for his life

But I am a bisexual liberal (well libertarian but often on the liberal side) so you should not listen to me
:rolleyes:

You forget that we are at war with Sylvania!

You absolutely should join the army (or some other service branch). Your country needs you. Perhaps you might even be able to see action in combat. The only thing that would worry me is the whole depleted uranium stuff. It might be best to serve in a service branch where you are not exposed to too much of that stuff.

Our great country needs people like you right now. Do not listed to the cowards, liberals and gays, you should listen to your heart and your sense of duty.
Right. And while you're at it - you might even start to enjoy killing people :rolleyes:

Right. And while you're at it - you might even start to enjoy killing people :rolleyes:

If it's the right people and he enjoys keeping his family and friends safe from them...

so what?

If it's the right people and he enjoys keeping his family and friends safe from them...

so what?So join the police. It's probably easier to make the connection between "keeping family and friends safe" in that case. Then again, if you enjoy killing people, what's there to prevent you from going overboard?

expect to be treated like shit by hippies

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That is fuckin' hilarious, being treated like shit by hippies. I mean, c'mon, "Oh noes, the mean hippies are bullying me!"

And it's also funny, because I know a lot of "hippies" (let's face it, we're talking about socialist potheads, all the hippies died by the 70's), and all of them support and respect soldiers. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

So join the police. It's probably easier to make the connection between "keeping family and friends safe" in that case. Then again, if you enjoy killing people, what's there to prevent you from going overboard?

It's the difference between a sheepdog and a wolf.

It's the difference between a sheepdog and a wolf.

So? I am confused as to the point … the person quoted was trying to show that there are plenty of job fields besides solder that have the direct effect of “protecting” their family’s and loved ones.

I've never seen the peace corps or a lawyer make good changes in national foreign policy.

Then you are blind.

I have yet to see a soldier make changes in national foreign policy. After all, they just do what the President tells them to in terms of national foreign policy.

A lawyer, however, has made a difference in national foreign policy. The one who sued the US gov't for rights for gitmo prisoners was serving his country.

You, sir, are an elitist who wants to beleive that soldiers are head-and-shoulders better than anyone else. That is false. Peace corps members serve in situations of extreme risk, and serve their country by being a major force in keeping the world stable. Public Defenders give up the large sums of money that many lawyers make to serve their government and insure that justice is done for those who would not have gotten it without them.

Perhaps you might consider that Soldiers, while admirable for their service, are not the only people who serve, or an elite group amongst those who serve.

So? I am confused as to the point … the person quoted was trying to show that there are plenty of job fields besides solder that have the direct effect of “protecting” their family’s and loved ones.

My point is that just because you enjoy killing does not mean you'll end up being an indiscriminate killer.

It means, for instance, if you join the Army, you'll have a viable, legal outlet to do so, and it may benefit society.

You can do other things to benefit society. In fact, the vast majority of jobs in the military have nothing to do with killing, and a lot to do with logistics and support. So you can be in the Army, in war, your whole life, and never kill anyone.

My point is that just because you enjoy killing does not mean you'll end up being an indiscriminate killer.

It means, for instance, if you join the Army, you'll have a viable, legal outlet to do so, and it may benefit society.

You can do other things to benefit society. In fact, the vast majority of jobs in the military have nothing to do with killing, and a lot to do with logistics and support. So you can be in the Army, in war, your whole life, and never kill anyone.

Ohh I get it my apologies, I thought your reference was an analogy of the comparison of law enforcement to solder instead of from solder to indiscriminant killer

In a word "No". In more detailed terms, "it depends". I personally don't see why anyone with a wife and/or kids to take care of would join the military. If you're a young single male, it's really a matter of personal choice. Myself I would take continuing my education before and over joining the military.

If you're a young single male, it's really a matter of personal choice.
But females have no choice? *files statement away in Nural's portfolio*

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That is fuckin' hilarious, being treated like shit by hippies. I mean, c'mon, "Oh noes, the mean hippies are bullying me!"

And it's also funny, because I know a lot of "hippies" (let's face it, we're talking about socialist potheads, all the hippies died by the 70's), and all of them support and respect soldiers. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.Careful. Hippies are pure evile (http://www.superdickery.com/other/90.html). :D

It's the difference between a sheepdog and a wolf.I'd continue the analogy with some reference to a rabid sheepdog, but that would probably let it go down a path better not tread upon.

I personally don't like the idea of letting people who enjoy killing people near guns. People who don't enjoy killing people are probably more likely to go about it responsibly.

I'd continue the analogy with some reference to a rabid sheepdog, but that would probably let it go down a path better not tread upon.

I personally don't like the idea of letting people who enjoy killing people near guns. People who don't enjoy killing people are probably more likely to go about it responsibly.

I've noticed that most people who have killed enjoy it. Hemingway was right. And, I've noticed that people who don't enjoy it are not only bad at it, but more likely to do things like have accidental discharges.

At this point, accidental discharges are such a problem in the Army in Iraq, that 21 US soldiers have been killed that way since we invaded.

It's almost always people who don't fancy weapons and killing. People who are deliberately unfamiliar with their weapon.

I've been thinking recently about all the things going on in the world, with terrorism and the war in Iraq. I'm not a Republican, and I wouldn't have voted for Bush in the last election if I'd been able to vote, but I love America.
I've been thinking, what with how everything is going, perhaps it would be a good idea to go join the army, since the U.S. needs soldiers.
I come from a very liberal family, though, and haven't dared ask their opinions (although I know what they would be). So, I felt like I should ask what someone thought, so, well, I'm asking you guys, my fellow NSers. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I don't need the money for college - my parents are already going to pay for it. I just feel like I should do something to help my country.

2nd EDIT: After some of the comments posted, I'm considering ROTC more than enlisting - what do you think?

Just remember that somebody who joins the army deserves death. Not in a spiteful way, it is just what you are asking for. If you are happy to die, then join. Whatever you do, don't expect any less than that. If you do join, and then retire without dying you got away with a lot less than you were asking for. That simple.

Realise that the primary purpose of an Army is to serve its country by being able to or actively people, even if you only end up with a desk job. There are other ways to serve one's country too, so if that's what you want to do, you could always join a fire brigade or work with underprivileged children.


Bravo! Or if materialism's your thing become a part of the govt. If you can, and this would take a lot of schooling and connections, work in some department like State or the NSA. As I stated before, Army guys don't get paid that much. Whereas govt officials are able to maintain an upper-middle class to white collar lifestyle.

But since it's so much more altruistic and sweet, let's go with the quoted suggestion of helping underpriveleged children. Seriously.

You absolutely should join the army (or some other service branch). Your country needs you. Perhaps you might even be able to see action in combat. The only thing that would worry me is the whole depleted uranium stuff. It might be best to serve in a service branch where you are not exposed to too much of that stuff.

Our great country needs people like you right now. Do not listed to the cowards, liberals and gays, you should listen to your heart and your sense of duty.


I'm praying that was sarcasm.

One thing I don't get though. You say you don't support Bush, yet you are considering joining the Army during a war he got us into? The Iraq fiasco will probably continue long after he's out of the Oval Office. If helping oppressed people is your goal, and not spreading US hegemony and democracy( which in retrospect is probably the worst thing for the Mid East at this point. I'm referring to the Palestinian elections) then I'll echo what everyone else is saying: Go to college( whether it's the Citadel or not) and join the friggin' peace corps. They have to endure a lot of hardship as well, even if they are not in a war zone.

yes

"Just remember that somebody who joins the army deserves death. Not in a spiteful way, it is just what you are asking for. If you are happy to die, then join. Whatever you do, don't expect any less than that. If you do join, and then retire without dying you got away with a lot less than you were asking for. That simple."----GreaterPacificNations


why don't you pull your head out and THEN post.....it will help prevent you from spewing so much crap.

why don't you pull your head out and THEN post.....it will help prevent you from spewing so much crap.

Flaming is bad. And depending on what you do in the army, you are voluntarily putting yourself in life-threatening situations.

My advice? The OP should talk to some soldiers. Not recruiters, because they're only going to tell you how amazing the army/navy/air force/marine corp/whatever is. See if you can talk to some soldiers, they'll be able to tell you what life is really like, day-to-day, in the military.

"Just remember that somebody who joins the army deserves death. Not in a spiteful way, it is just what you are asking for. If you are happy to die, then join. Whatever you do, don't expect any less than that. If you do join, and then retire without dying you got away with a lot less than you were asking for. That simple."----GreaterPacificNations


why don't you pull your head out and THEN post.....it will help prevent you from spewing so much crap.

What the poster was stating in essence if you choose to do a dangerous job and put yourself in harms way you should not be surprised when harm finds you … in essence “Hope for the best and plan for the worst” .

What the poster was stating in essence if you choose to do a dangerous job and put yourself in harms way you should not be surprised when harm finds you … in essence “Hope for the best and plan for the worst” .

I do, however, believe that getting to retirement without being killed is not more than I was asking for when I served.

Why trust your fate to the opinions of a bunch of faceless nobodies on the internet?

Why trust your fate to the opinions of a bunch of faceless nobodies on the internet?

He said already that he wants advice, he's not going to just do whatever we say. Read the thread next time.

I'm praying that was sarcasm.

One thing I don't get though. You say you don't support Bush, yet you are considering joining the Army during a war he got us into? The Iraq fiasco will probably continue long after he's out of the Oval Office. If helping oppressed people is your goal, and not spreading US hegemony and democracy( which in retrospect is probably the worst thing for the Mid East at this point. I'm referring to the Palestinian elections) then I'll echo what everyone else is saying: Go to college( whether it's the Citadel or not) and join the friggin' peace corps. They have to endure a lot of hardship as well, even if they are not in a war zone.

Actually, while I might not support Bush, I am interested in doing what I can to fight terror and everything - even though I didn't support Bush back then, I supported, and still do support, the war in Afghanistan, and back when we all thought they had WMDs, I supported the war in Iraq. (Now I'm not so sure about Iraq...).
Anyway, I guess I'm thinking I should join precisely because we're likely to be there for a while - the U.S. is going to need soldiers, and, well, to paraphrase Pottery Barn - we broke the country, we bought the country (although obviously I'm not saying we own or should keep Iraq) - what I mean is that we should stay there and try to fix what we broke. That's what I think, at least.