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So I went to a gun show recently, and decided I need a bolt action rifle because I don't have one. Since I like WW2 stuff, I've narrowed it down between the Japanese Arisaka type-99, and the Mosin-Nagant 91-30. I've fired a type-99 and loved it, but I've never fired a Mosin-Nagant. I know they're both similar to a .306, and right now I'm pretty much on the fence as to which one I should get. I do like Russian stuff, but I think the Arisaka might just be a more enjoyable rifle. They're both about the same price too, so cash isn't a problem.

Can any NSG gun nuts help me out?

So I went to a gun show recently, and decided I need a bolt action rifle because I don't have one. Since I like WW2 stuff, I've narrowed it down between the Japanese Arisaka type-99, and the Mosin-Nagant 91-30. I've fired a type-99 and loved it, but I've never fired a Mosin-Nagant. I know they're both similar to a .306, and right now I'm pretty much on the fence as to which one I should get. I do like Russian stuff, but I think the Arisaka might just be a more enjoyable rifle. They're both about the same price too, so cash isn't a problem.

Can any NSG gun nuts help me out?
Why not just get both?

If you want collectability, a 99 w/ cherry blossom stamp is a good way to go. If you want a cheap, reliable plinker that w/ last, the MN is good.

So I went to a gun show recently, and decided I need a bolt action rifle because I don't have one. Since I like WW2 stuff, I've narrowed it down between the Japanese Arisaka type-99, and the Mosin-Nagant 91-30. I've fired a type-99 and loved it, but I've never fired a Mosin-Nagant. I know they're both similar to a .306, and right now I'm pretty much on the fence as to which one I should get. I do like Russian stuff, but I think the Arisaka might just be a more enjoyable rifle. They're both about the same price too, so cash isn't a problem.

Can any NSG gun nuts help me out?

Out of the 2 selections you mentioned, I'd probably go for the Mosin Nagant.

Why no Mauser? You could probably get a good deal in an M-48 Yugo Mauser.

And on the fifth day, God created the Remington bolt-action rifle, so Man could fight the dinosaurs. And the homosexuals.

Out of the 2 selections you mentioned, I'd probably go for the Mosin Nagant.

Why no Mauser? You could probably get a good deal in an M-48 Yugo Mauser.

Good point. Quality 8mm ammo is getting to be difficult to find however.

And on the fifth day, God created the Remington bolt-action rifle, so Man could fight the dinosaurs. And the homosexuals.

*shakes head*
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I saw mean girls too:p

*shakes head*
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I saw mean girls too:p
Now listen up, you primitive screwheads. See this? This is my boomstick! The 12-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

So I went to a gun show recently, and decided I need a bolt action rifle because I don't have one. Since I like WW2 stuff, I've narrowed it down between the Japanese Arisaka type-99, and the Mosin-Nagant 91-30. I've fired a type-99 and loved it, but I've never fired a Mosin-Nagant. I know they're both similar to a .306, and right now I'm pretty much on the fence as to which one I should get. I do like Russian stuff, but I think the Arisaka might just be a more enjoyable rifle. They're both about the same price too, so cash isn't a problem.

Can any NSG gun nuts help me out?

It might be hard to find ammunition for the Arisaka, unless it's been rechambered - and although it's a strong action, I'm not sure I would trust the work. It's more of a collectible, depending on the condition (but if it's being sold cheap, probably not collectible).

The Mosin-Nagant is well worth it. The metallurgy is good, and it will last longer than you will. The ammunition is also readily available.

7.62x54mm rimmed.

Now listen up, you primitive screwheads. See this? This is my boomstick! The 12-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

I never knew my hometown made guns!

Why not an M1 Garand?

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1-garand.shtml

Caliber:
M19102:.308
M19106:.30-06
Barrel: 24", 1 turn in 10 inches, right hand, six groove
Weight: 9.5 lbs.
Length: 43.6" long
Mechanism: gas operated, semi-automatic
Sights Front: Military Square Post
Sights Rear: Military Aperture With MOA Adjustments For Both Windage And Elevation. 27.9 Radius
Capacity: 8 Round Clip*
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.5 lbs. 2 Stage Military Trigger

MSRP:
M19102 $1,467 Order Online
M19106 $1,437 Order Online
CA Legal

Why not an M1 Garand?

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1-garand.shtml

Caliber:
M19102:.308
M19106:.30-06
Barrel: 24", 1 turn in 10 inches, right hand, six groove
Weight: 9.5 lbs.
Length: 43.6" long
Mechanism: gas operated, semi-automatic
Sights Front: Military Square Post
Sights Rear: Military Aperture With MOA Adjustments For Both Windage And Elevation. 27.9 Radius
Capacity: 8 Round Clip*
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.5 lbs. 2 Stage Military Trigger

MSRP:
M19102 $1,467 Order Online
M19106 $1,437 Order Online
CA Legal

If you have that much money, you might as well go all the way and get this:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/KMC-98169-R.html

If you have that much money, you might as well go all the way and get this:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/KMC-98169-R.html

He wanted a bolt action. Me? I prefer the M21.
Also, that rifle costs 5 TIMES as much as the M1.

He wanted a bolt action. Me? I prefer the M21.
Also, that rifle costs 5 TIMES as much as the M1.
He sounds like he's in the under 200 dollar range.

Of course, if you want a bolt gun, here's my personal baby. The M24 (all civilian - I had it custom built).

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/m24.jpg

Now listen up, you primitive screwheads. See this? This is my boomstick! The 12-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Bruce_Campbell_Army_of_Darkness.jpg/180px-Bruce_Campbell_Army_of_Darkness.jpg
Yee-haw!

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If you have that much money, you might as well go all the way and get this:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/KMC-98169-R.html
Uhm - what exactly is a "Stoner Rifle"? http://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Emotions/Smoking/smoke01.gif:sniper:

He sounds like he's in the under 200 dollar range.

Of course, if you want a bolt gun, here's my personal baby. The M24 (all civilian - I had it custom built).


Nice!!

Or, he could go "old school"...

1893 8mm Turkish (small ring) Mauser® (8x57 mm) $299.97
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=235111

No missing parts, no cracked stocks
3-position safety, cocks on closing
Internal 5-rd. staggered box magazine
Barleycorn front sight, tangent rear sight
29" barrel, 48 1/2" overall length, weight averages just over 9 lbs.
Turkish markings include crescent moon on front receiver ring

Condition: used, in good shape with historic character. Guns may have minor dings and scratches from long-term storage. The metal finish ranges from intact to shiny. May have minor surface rust. Comes with a Certificate of Authenticity.

Since this gun was made for the Ottoman Empire prior to 1898, no Federal Firearm License is required. We can ship it right to your doorstep, (check state / local restrictions).

While I would say the 91-30 is the better choice of the two, if you really want a bolt action rifle, the Springfield 1903 is the way to go. I've fired it a couple of times, and by all experiences of mine, it's quite the nice bolt action rifle. Fires a .30 caliber round.

Uhm - what exactly is a "Stoner Rifle"? http://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Emotions/Smoking/smoke01.gif:sniper:

Wrong stone. Eugene Stoner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner) is the weapons designer behind the variuous Stoner rifles, one of which eventually became the M-16 family.

Wrong stone. Eugene Stoner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner) is the weapons designer behind the variuous Stoner rifles, one of which eventually became the M-16 family.
Oh, okay. So he's the automatic Herr Mauser, so to speak. Thanks for the answer! http://www.recordingwebsite.com/forum/Smileys/default/smiley.gif

You know, I have a 91/30 and I do like it. However, if you want a fun bolt action rifle that is easy to shoot on a college student budget, try a M44 Nagant.
Further, find some polish ammo for it and have fun! The ball of fire and concussion that thing puts out will put a smile on anyone's face!

I'm glad I did some research and asked you guys. At the gunshow last weekend I almost bought an M44 carbine because it was 84 dollars. I'm glad I did some research and didn't buy that particular model.

I was also looking at some mousers and enfields but those were 50-100 dollars more than what I'd like to pay.

Of course, I'd REALLY like a C-96 Broomhandle but those are WAY too expensive for me.

And current bolt action rifles just look to bland for my taste. I like all stuff that's old with a history. :p

Of course, I'd REALLY like a C-96 Broomhandle but those are WAY too expensive for me.
You're not the only one. C-96 would be a nice handgun to have. It sits behind the US M1911, and P08 Navy Luger.

And current bolt action rifles just look to bland for my taste. I like all stuff that's old with a history. :p
When you get some more cash, look at the Krag-Jorgenson, nice gun, very unique.

I'd choose the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMLE).

I have used a WWII era Australian version, it was a very good rifle.

Good point. Quality 8mm ammo is getting to be difficult to find however.

Would it be possible for you to reload? It'd be good, no matter what rifle you end up getting.

Would it be possible for you to reload? It'd be good, no matter what rifle you end up getting.

If I spend the money for the molds, yes. My FIL has reloading equipment. I just don't have the money for the molds yet unless you can give me a line on cheap ones.

I ussually use the corrosive Turkish stuff and clean the hell out of it afterwards. I stocked up cheap so I'm good for awhile.

If I spend the money for the molds, yes. My FIL has reloading equipment. I just don't have the money for the molds yet unless you can give me a line on cheap ones.

I ussually use the corrosive Turkish stuff and clean the hell out of it afterwards. I stocked up cheap so I'm good for awhile.
buy full metal jacket bullets instead of casting - they are similar to the ones in your surplus

It might be hard to find ammunition for the Arisaka, unless it's been rechambered - and although it's a strong action, I'm not sure I would trust the work. It's more of a collectible, depending on the condition (but if it's being sold cheap, probably not collectible).

The Mosin-Nagant is well worth it. The metallurgy is good, and it will last longer than you will. The ammunition is also readily available.

7.62x54mm rimmed.



7.62x54r will put your shoulder back in joint after the first round dislodges it.

Why not an M1 Garand?

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1-garand.shtml

Caliber:
M19102:.308
M19106:.30-06
Barrel: 24", 1 turn in 10 inches, right hand, six groove
Weight: 9.5 lbs.
Length: 43.6" long
Mechanism: gas operated, semi-automatic
Sights Front: Military Square Post
Sights Rear: Military Aperture With MOA Adjustments For Both Windage And Elevation. 27.9 Radius
Capacity: 8 Round Clip*
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.5 lbs. 2 Stage Military Trigger

MSRP:
M19102 $1,467 Order Online
M19106 $1,437 Order Online
CA Legal


You can get an M1 straight out of government storage from the www.odcmp.com

It's how I got mine. Mine was made in 1944, and saw action in Korea. Even has some funny bumps on the rear of the stock...wonder how those got there!

:D

While I would say the 91-30 is the better choice of the two, if you really want a bolt action rifle, the Springfield 1903 is the way to go. I've fired it a couple of times, and by all experiences of mine, it's quite the nice bolt action rifle. Fires a .30 caliber round.


i have to agree..my grandfather gave me a 1903-a3 springfield he had during the battle of the argonnes(sp)
30-06

outstanding construction..ladder sight....outstanding accuracy...

he won the medal of honor carrying it...and it was stolen by some twit crackhead..grrr

barring that,i would go for the moisen...the ariska is also nice,but i like the mn personally...i will get a mauser sooner then later...think about it.

First you really need to be careful the Imperial Chrysanthimum (NOT cherry blossom is often faked.) If you find an a type 99 with anti-aircraft sights and or 7 day rice storage stock they are worth a mint(especially with a REAL Imperial seal intact) The ammo for the Type 99 is hard to come by usually poor quality and expensive.The Mosin-Nagant is a dime a dozen again a somewhat obscure round and the non sniper models aren't very accurate. You can get a Kar 98 for less money and 8mm Mauser ammo is a dirt cheap and shoots very well. The best WWII rifle would be a Garand or a Springfield -03 sniper.





So I went to a gun show recently, and decided I need a bolt action rifle because I don't have one. Since I like WW2 stuff, I've narrowed it down between the Japanese Arisaka type-99, and the Mosin-Nagant 91-30. I've fired a type-99 and loved it, but I've never fired a Mosin-Nagant. I know they're both similar to a .306, and right now I'm pretty much on the fence as to which one I should get. I do like Russian stuff, but I think the Arisaka might just be a more enjoyable rifle. They're both about the same price too, so cash isn't a problem.

Can any NSG gun nuts help me out?

You can get an M1 straight out of government storage from the www.odcmp.com

It's how I got mine. Mine was made in 1944, and saw action in Korea. Even has some funny bumps on the rear of the stock...wonder how those got there!

:D

Yeah, but they're sold out of most of 'em barring the "rack" grade rifles. :(
The "service grade" at $550 is okay, but I'd rather go to a gun show and see what's available.

Ah, if only M14s were resold by the Gov't! :sniper: