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Except, the local Hezbollah representative (the one who took your mother to the only hospital in reach, a Hezbollah hospital, and made sure that she didn't die during her labour) comes along and says that he can provide housing for you and gives you several thousand dollars to help tide you over whilst your life is salvaged for you.
Just so we are clear.
I consider the fact that Hezbollah are able to profit from this sort of thing to be very, very bad. Undercutting their support amongst the populace is vital for any hopes of weakening and destroying them.
If I was Israel, I would be flooding the south of Lebanon with cash so that Hezbollah couldn't gain the credit for helping people rebuild.

Comedy gold :D
Without addressing the charge that you are using agitprop that is not grounded in fact to appeal to our emotions, wonderful.


Or the IDF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
"The most famous case of the cooperation between the media with the government was during the conquest of Beaufort. The Prime Minister of Israel reported that Beaufort was conquered "without losses", even though it was known that six soldiers of Sayeret Golani, including the commander of the Sayeret, Major Goni Hernik, fell during the fighting."

24 Years ago, wonderful.

I thought you were impugning my imaginary scenario? ;)
Both

Just so we are clear.
I consider the fact that Hezbollah are able to profit from this sort of thing to be very, very bad. Undercutting their support amongst the populace is vital for any hopes of weakening and destroying them.
If I was Israel, I would be flooding the south of Lebanon with cash so that Hezbollah couldn't gain the credit for helping people rebuild.
So would I, but that's not what I'm arguing about right now.

The ammounts of damage and the numbers of civilian casualties in Lebanon are inflated. Here's how it happened.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4RxK9r4MESY

Probably a lot more landmines laying around, than unexploded cluster bomblets. I mean, Hezbollah had years to dig their bunkers, and emplace the mines.
True.
However, the landmines will be in border areas or near Hezbollah strong points and, as they don't want to kill their own people (it reflects badly in grass-roots support) and as mines are, tactically, more a way of blocking approaches than killing people, I am sure that they pose very little danger to the civillians of south Lebanon.
Cluster bombs fired into built up areas though?

Which do you think poses more of a threat to civilians in the current situation?

True.
However, the landmines will be in border areas or near Hezbollah strong points and, as they don't want to kill their own people (it reflects badly in grass-roots support) and as mines are, tactically, more a way of blocking approaches than killing people, I am sure that they pose very little danger to the civillians of south Lebanon.
Cluster bombs fired into built up areas though?

Which do you think poses more of a threat to civilians in the current situation?

I can see a cluster bomblet on the ground. Unless I was with the team that laid the landmines, I won't know where they are - I can only guess, and that's more dangerous.

Far, far easier to clear cluster munitions.

The Fourth Geneva Convention says that if fighters blend in with civilians in close proximity, the fighters cannot assume that they are protected from attack.

The attacker in such cases bears NO responsibility for what happens to the civilians in close proximity.

If Hez wants to spare civilians, they can station their launchers a kilometer outside of any village (which is certainly possible), and keep the kids off of their positions.

Otherwise, any and all civilian casualties are the fault of Hezbollah.



But thats neither here nor there, as Israel refuses to put into practice the
4th geneva Convention.

Peace activists are simply an unwitting and witless force for death and destruction over the long term..

...says a member of our resident "nuke the a-rabs" squad......


Additionally, Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids..

According to.....?

By the way, your new found concern for Arab life is touching. Does this mean you've formally renounced your genocidal views?

While I'm still here at work and not on the bus...


Inconvenient Truths is most certainly NOT a Nazi, nor has he ever expressed any beliefs that would ever conclude one to believe that he is. Furthermore, I consider him to be quite far from being a Nazi, and would find it comical that anyone would ever consider it possible that I would call him such.

secondly...

I also do not believe that Inconvenient Truths is not a supporter of Hiz'bo'allah.

In case any further confusion might arise, this post may be referenced.

True.
However, the landmines will be in border areas or near Hezbollah strong points and, as they don't want to kill their own people (it reflects badly in grass-roots support) and as mines are, tactically, more a way of blocking approaches than killing people, I am sure that they pose very little danger to the civillians of south Lebanon.
Cluster bombs fired into built up areas though?

Which do you think poses more of a threat to civilians in the current situation?
Once the team that set the mines leaves the area, the mines remain. Uncharted and armed. That's certainly more dangerous.

According to.....?


According to Jan Egeland, the UN rep who said that Hezbollah bragged of using children and civilians as shields.

According to Jan Egeland, the UN rep who said that Hezbollah bragged of using children and civilians as shields.
I don't remember him saying

" Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.."

He slammed the group for hiding amongst civilians and for bragging at how few members were killed, but I don't ever remember seeing/hearing him say that. I may be mistaken but....

Link?

According to Jan Egeland, the UN rep who said that Hezbollah bragged of using children and civilians as shields.

Not exactly, no.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men. We need a cessation of hostilities because this is a war where civilians are paying the price."

However what I wanted to know was who was the far more specific -> "Additionally, Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.." according to?

And you havent explain your sudden concern for Arab life yet either. I await, as no doubt others do, the detail of this revelation which has so radically transformed you.

I don't remember him saying

" Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.."

He slammed the group for hiding amongst civilians and for bragging at how few members were killed, but I don't ever remember seeing/hearing say that. I may be mistaken but....

Link?

The Qana thing was kids sleeping in a building full of rockets.

Plenty of pics of kids on rocket launchers, guns, and Hez bunkers. Want me to post them?

Hez bragging that they use civilians as human shields - that's all I need in combination with the other two there.

How are you supposed to miss the civilians, when Hez is intentionally using them as shields? Eh?

Without addressing the charge that you are using agitprop that is not grounded in fact to appeal to our emotions, wonderful.
Okay.
I said, very clearly, at the very start of the scenario, that this was an imaginary scenario. It is based on a collage of pictures I have built up through media exposure to the war in the south of Lebanon.
Specifically, the scenario centred around your comment of...
What's wrong with them? After using them, when there is a cease fire, you can clean up the unexploded ordinance.
Therefore, I picked a scenario where I demonstrated the problem with cluster munitions.
The reference to the dangers of vehicular travel was in tone with the rest of the thread and I have posted numerous references to the IDF killing civilians travelling in convoys to support it. However, as I stated later on, I did not consider it central to the point I was making.

I would ask you to demonstrate which parts of my arguement were not grounded in fact.
(1) A father was killed by the IDF whilst driving a vehicle.
(2) That the IDF bombed roads as part of their primary objective package in the initial strategic phase.
(3) That the IDF warned people to leave the area they were going to bomb.
(4) That the IDF employed aircraft to drop bombs on south lebanon, on areas containing dwellings.
(5) That a cluster bomb failed to explode after it hit a house in south Lebanon
(6) That the bombing targeted Hezbollah buildings, which included social care buildings, as part of an attempt to weaken Hezbollah's grip on the heart's and mind's of the population.
(7) That water supplies and sewer system were hit by bombs.
(8) That it will be 6 months before the bomb clearance teams get a grip on the situation.
(9) That local Hezbollah representatives are providing physical and financial aid to civilians.


24 Years ago, wonderful.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=745334&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=2#article745334
"We will continue to operate in full force until we achieve this." "This" meant "to take control and terminate" the activities of "radical, terrorist, and violent elements" and more specifically, "the return of the hostages ... a complete cease fire; deployment of the Lebanese army in all of southern Lebanon; expulsion of Hezbollah from the area, and fulfillment of U.N. Resolution 1559.""
Recent enough for you?
or
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886032979&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
IDF: 40-50% of Hizbullah's military capability destroyed
or
my favourite
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/09/iraq/main562312.shtml
"I refute any suggestion that we misled Parliament or the people," Blair told the House of Commons Liaison Committee, stressing he stands "totally" behind the case he made for war.

If your house was flattened your wife and kids would be killed.
As they would be if a cluster bomb went off in the front room. On the other hand, you could be lucky enough to not be in the house when the bomb hits, in which case you and your family are safe...unless it was a cluster bomb of course.

I believe that it can be thoroughly proven that intelligence mistakes happen. What a shocker.

Ah, missed one.
Intelligence mistakes? Yes.
Bombing a civilian convoy because you are feeling a bit suspicous? I smell over-enthusiasm.

I can see a cluster bomblet on the ground. Unless I was with the team that laid the landmines, I won't know where they are - I can only guess, and that's more dangerous.

Far, far easier to clear cluster munitions.

To clear? Yes.
But that wasn't my question was it.

Answer the question.
Or pull a Greater Valinor/Corneliu/etc and continue to avoid/ignore.

Ah, missed one.
Intelligence mistakes? Yes.
Bombing a civilian convoy because you are feeling a bit suspicous? I smell over-enthusiasm.

One may wonder if there's a distinction in overall intent.

While there may have been overenthusiasm, and the bombing of civilian convoys, one wonders whether there were Hez in the convoy. Impossible to prove, one way or the another, now.

On the other hand, Hezbollah made no secret of wanting to deliberately target civilians.

I find it interesting that journalists managed to run in convoys hither and yon over south Lebanon, without ever being attacked from the air. Not escorted by Israelis.

The Qana thing was kids sleeping in a building full of rockets.

Plenty of pics of kids on rocket launchers, guns, and Hez bunkers. Want me to post them?

Hez bragging that they use civilians as human shields - that's all I need in combination with the other two there.

How are you supposed to miss the civilians, when Hez is intentionally using them as shields? Eh?
I don't diagree with what you say.

I disagree that he said it.

Again, we condemn Israel for self-defense. We neglect to apply the same standards to Lebanon for allowing the Hezbollah to operate freely, nor to the Hezbollah for attacking Israel with the sole intention of causing civilian deaths.

It only works one way. A sovereign nation is allowed to act in its self defense. That's not an action open to condemnation.

What you say is indeed true. It is sad that an organization like the UN condemns Israel for defending itself from those who want to do them harm. :(

I also do not believe that Inconvenient Truths is not a supporter of Hiz'bo'allah.
I assume the double negative was an accident?

The Fourth Geneva Convention says that if fighters blend in with civilians in close proximity, the fighters cannot assume that they are protected from attack.

The attacker in such cases bears NO responsibility for what happens to the civilians in close proximity.

If Hez wants to spare civilians, they can station their launchers a kilometer outside of any village (which is certainly possible), and keep the kids off of their positions.

Otherwise, any and all civilian casualties are the fault of Hezbollah.

This is indeed true. Well said Deep Kimchi.

Quite.

I believe we might also agree that, fundamentally, war sucks.

I think most of us can agree with that.

The Qana thing was kids sleeping in a building full of rockets.?

emmm....no. There was were rockets being fired in an orchard or field near the village but that was the full extent of the claims I heard.


Plenty of pics of kids on rocket launchers, guns, and Hez bunkers. Want me to post them?.?

Plenty of pics of Israeli kids around armour and soldiers too. Do you have pcitures and reportage that shows they were there during hostilities? Please post same.


Hez bragging that they use civilians as human shields - that's all I need in combination with the other two there.

All you seem to need is mention of "muslim" and it seems all ill-ends are justified, and means too. In addition, thats not what he said.


How are you supposed to miss the civilians, when Hez is intentionally using them as shields? Eh?

No idea, certainly Israel hasn't been trying to find out either. By the way, don't Israel use human shields too?

By the way, don't Israel use human shields too?
Prove they used them in the current conflict. In southern Lebanon.

Go ahead. We already have Hez doing it, from Jan Egeland.

Prove they used them in the current conflict. In southern Lebanon.

Go ahead. We already have Hez doing it, from Jan Egeland.

I have no knowledge of them doing so in the current conflict in Southern Lebanon. I do know that they have used them in the occupied territories.

This is what Egeland said.
"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men. We need a cessation of hostilities because this is a war where civilians are paying the price."

You still haven't explain where "Additionally, Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.."

And I still await the news of the origin of your new found concern for Arab life.

I find it interesting that journalists managed to run in convoys hither and yon over south Lebanon, without ever being attacked from the air. Not escorted by Israelis.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1201281.ece
"It was supposed to be a routine trip across the Lebanese killing fields for the brave men and women of the International Red Cross. Sylvie Thoral was the "team leader" of our two vehicles, a 38-year-old Frenchwoman with dark brown hair and eyes like steel. The Israelis had been informed and had given what the ICRC likes to call its "green light" to the route. And, of course, we almost died.
Trusting the Israeli army and air force, which are breaking the Geneva Conventions almost every day, is a dodgy business."
*WARNING* This article is only available to subscribers. Having taken my cash they won't activate my account until business hours recommence *Sigh*.
However, I read it in the paper at the time and, essentially, he was nearly killed by an air-craft (based on memory though).
It should become available to me tomorrow. If it is still relevant I will post it.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1201281.ece
"It was supposed to be a routine trip across the Lebanese killing fields for the brave men and women of the International Red Cross. Sylvie Thoral was the "team leader" of our two vehicles, a 38-year-old Frenchwoman with dark brown hair and eyes like steel. The Israelis had been informed and had given what the ICRC likes to call its "green light" to the route. And, of course, we almost died.
Trusting the Israeli army and air force, which are breaking the Geneva Conventions almost every day, is a dodgy business."
*WARNING* This article is only available to subscribers. Having taken my cash they won't activate my account until business hours recommence *Sigh*.
However, I read it in the paper at the time and, essentially, he was nearly killed by an air-craft (based on memory though).
It should become available to me tomorrow. If it is still relevant I will post it.


No one killed, I see. And that's one incident. I'm sure if there had been more, there would be "Reporters Killed In Air Attack" on the news.

It doesn't seem as dangerous as some made out.

No one killed, I see. And that's one incident. I'm sure if there had been more, there would be "Reporters Killed In Air Attack" on the news.

It doesn't seem as dangerous as some made out.
An aid convoy has been hit by an Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon.

Sky News reporter David Bowden said the convoy was returning from the village of Rmeish to the port city of Tyre.
....

"We were travelling back from southern Lebanon towards Tyre where we've been based for the past week or so," Bowden said.

"One of the vehicles was struck from the air - we don't know what kind of strike it was.

"One member of a German camera crew and their driver were slightly injured and that's it.

There's a second instance.

There's a second instance.

Still doesn't sound as dangerous as we've been told. No dead? No destroyed vehicles? Nothing like the tales told by Hez refugees?

Still doesn't sound as dangerous as we've been told. No dead? No destroyed vehicles? Nothing like the tales told by Hez refugees?

Well by that logic, there was only a few dozen dead in Haifa so it couldnt have been that bad either, in the greater scheme of things.

Why do you equate refugees with Hezbollah?

And you still havent answered a number of questions put to you earlier.

Still doesn't sound as dangerous as we've been told. No dead? No destroyed vehicles? Nothing like the tales told by Hez refugees?

How about the ambulances? They were destroyed. Bulls-eye you could say:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/26/redcross_wideweb__470x352,0.jpg

Wouldn't want to be injured or in need of urgent medical attention in Lebanon...

Accompanying story:Six ambulance workers were wounded and three generations of the Fawaz family, being transported to hospital from Tibnin with what were originally minor injuries, were left fighting for their lives. Two ambulances were entirely destroyed, their roofs pierced by missiles.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1828142,00.html

Well by that logic, there was only a few dozen dead in Haifa so it couldnt have been that bad either, in the greater scheme of things.

Why do you equate refugees with Hezbollah?

And you still havent answered a number of questions put to you earlier.

Nearly everyone living in the south of Lebanon is Shia, and therefore part of Hezbollah. Either active members, or their relatives. Anyone with half a brain who wasn't Hezbollah left when the leaflets dropped.

Which questions?

How about the ambulances? They were destroyed. Bulls-eye you could say:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/26/redcross_wideweb__470x352,0.jpg

Wouldn't want to be injured or in need of urgent medical attention in Lebanon...

And it appears quite common that Arab fighting forces (in Lebanon and other places) use ambulances for transporting their soldiers.

You would have to prove to me that the people inside were all civilians. Otherwise, once again covered by Fourth Geneva.

Oh, and that doesn't look like a cluster bomb hit.

Nearly everyone living in the south of Lebanon is Shia, and therefore part of Hezbollah. ?

Really?

Either active members, or their relatives. Anyone with half a brain who wasn't Hezbollah left when the leaflets dropped.


So the ones that werent Hezbollah left. The ones that left are refugees.

So why do you equate refugees with Hezbollah?

As for questions - where does this - " Additionally, Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.." - come from?

And where does your newfound concern for Arab and muslim life come from? Some road-to-blockbuster experience?

Really?


So the ones that werent Hezbollah left. The ones that left are refugees.

So why do you equate refugees with Hezbollah?

As for questions - where does this - " Additionally, Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.." - come from?

And where does your newfound concern for Arab and muslim life come from? Some road-to-blockbuster experience?


I only care if they bring it up as if they gave a shit, which they don't. The Hez who bragged to Jan Egeland gave less of a shit than I do.

Firing rockets from a civilian area:

http://www.unison.ie/breakingnews/index.php3?ca=33&si=95894

For days, no less. The bodies found afterwards were those of children. Or do you not remember?

Oddly, the bodies seemed to be nearly all children in the photos from Qana.

I only care if they bring it up as if they gave a shit, which they don't. The Hez who bragged to Jan Egeland gave less of a shit than I do..

Again, you are attempting to distort what he said.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men. We need a cessation of hostilities because this is a war where civilians are paying the price."


Firing rockets from a civilian area:.

From the Israeli PM. Wonderful.

They did appear to be firing outside/near Qana. That still doesnt explain "Additionally, Hez are firing with the kids right around the launcher. Storing rockets in buildings full of kids.."

Nor have you explained why you equate refugees with Hezbollah when you yourself said that anyone who wasnt Hezbollah fled.

Nor have you explained your newfound concern for Arab/muslim lives.

Who put the mines there in southern Lebanon to stop the IDF? Eh?

You are incredible. I condemn Hezbollah's tactics, including the use of landmines. Good God, how many times do I have to say this? Am I not also allowed to criticize Israeli tactics? Apparently not.

You are incredible. I condemn Hezbollah's tactics, including the use of landmines. Good God, how many times do I have to say this? Am I not also allowed to criticize Israeli tactics? Apparently not.
I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.

I'm saying that landmines pose far, far more of a danger than the bomblets.

Probably by orders of magnitude.

How about the ambulances? They were destroyed. Bulls-eye you could say:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/26/redcross_wideweb__470x352,0.jpg

Wouldn't want to be injured or in need of urgent medical attention in Lebanon...

Accompanying story:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1828142,00.html
Good hit. Somebody has been practicing.

I wouldn't use an ambulance. Especially since the PLO, Hammas, Hezzbolah, and others have a history of alternative uses for these vehicles of mercy.

Good hit. Somebody has been practicing.

I wouldn't use an ambulance. Especially since the PLO, Hammas, Hezzbolah, and others have a history of alternative uses for these vehicles of mercy.

Looks like something relatively small, like a Hellfire. If it was an FFAR, I'm impressed.

Good hit. Somebody has been practicing.

I wouldn't use an ambulance. Especially since the PLO, Hammas, Hezzbolah, and others have a history of alternative uses for these vehicles of mercy.

Unfortunately true :(

Looks like something relatively small, like a Hellfire. If it was an FFAR, I'm impressed.
I love Zuni rockets. The whooshing sound that they make coming off the rails is such a nice sound.

Looks like something relatively small, like a Hellfire. If it was an FFAR, I'm impressed.


Yes, no doubt a small war boner sprouts at the thought. I see your concern for the children who may have been in, around or near the ambulance has vanished. Now you have to explain where the concern (as witnessed earlier) came from and now where it went.

Nor do we have an explanation to the "Hezbollah refugees" statement.

Who put the mines there in southern Lebanon to stop the IDF? Eh?
I remembered this from yesterday.

Apparently the IDF has been laying mines:

An Israeli soldier was killed and three others wounded when their tank hit an Israeli-laid mine in southern Lebanon on Tuesday evening, the army said.

Just an observation is all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5279336.stm

Yes, no doubt a small war boner sprouts at the thought. I see your concern for the children who may have been in, around or near the ambulance has vanished. Now you have to explain where the concern (as witnessed earlier) came from and now where it went.

Nor do we have an explanation to the "Hezbollah refugees" statement.
I see your ignorance of the common usage of Red Cross ambulances as military transport (another Geneva violation) by Hezbollah is still in effect.

If it was an actual ambulance, it would have had the Red Crescent on it.

I see your ignorance of the common usage of Red Cross ambulances as military transport (another Geneva violation) by Hezbollah is still in effect.

If it was an actual ambulance, it would have had the Red Crescent on it.

The Red Cross is in Lebanon as well. !? If Hezbollah were hiding in ambulances, do you think they would be stupid enough to use Red Cross trucks if the Red Cross did not even exist in Lebanon?

If it was an actual ambulance, it would have had the Red Crescent on it.
No. In Lebanon it is the "Red Cross". http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/cn6.asp?countryid=101

In other places it is the "Red Crescent"- like Palestine, Iraq, Eqypt.
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/cn6.asp?countryid=205
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/check.asp?countryid=87
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/check.asp?countryid=61

In Iran for instance, it is the Red Crescent but between 1924 and 1980 it used a Red Lion and still reserves the right to use the Lion as its symbol.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Red_Lion_with_Sun.svg/150px-Red_Lion_with_Sun.svg.png
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/check.asp?countryid=203

No. In Lebanon it is the "Red Cross". http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/cn6.asp?countryid=101

In other places it is the "Red Crescent"- like Palestine, Iraq, Eqypt.
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/cn6.asp?countryid=205
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/check.asp?countryid=87
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/check.asp?countryid=61

In Iran for instance, it is the Red Crescent but between 1924 and 1980 it used a Red Lion and still reserves the right to use the Lion as its symbol.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Red_Lion_with_Sun.svg/150px-Red_Lion_with_Sun.svg.png
http://www.ifrc.org/where/country/check.asp?countryid=203


And how do we know the occupants were only innocent civilians? Given the widespread use of ambulances as military transport by Hezbollah over the years (and other insurgents as well)?

And how do we know the occupants were only innocent civilians? Given the widespread use of ambulances as military transport by Hezbollah over the years (and other insurgents as well)?
Even though this has nothing to do with "If it was an actual ambulance, it would have had the Red Crescent on it." I'll answer

There's an article on it under the picture back up the way.

And how do we know the occupants were only innocent civilians? Given the widespread use of ambulances as military transport by Hezbollah over the years (and other insurgents as well)?

Have proof to back that up?

Have proof to back that up?
Here's some Palestinians doing it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6079659052676503126

In a press release from March, 2002, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) condemned the use of Arab ambulances to smuggle terrorists, announcing, "The International Committee of the Red Cross is shocked and dismayed by the reports today of explosive material being found in a Palestine Red Crescent Society's (PRCS) ambulance. The ICRC condemns such abuse of an ambulance of the Red Crescent emblem....The ICRC observed how a device was taken out from a vehicle and detonated in the presence of a number of onlookers."

In a press release from March, 2002, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) condemned the use of Arab ambulances to smuggle terrorists, announcing, "The International Committee of the Red Cross is shocked and dismayed by the reports today of explosive material being found in a Palestine Red Crescent Society's (PRCS) ambulance. The ICRC condemns such abuse of an ambulance of the Red Crescent emblem....The ICRC observed how a device was taken out from a vehicle and detonated in the presence of a number of onlookers."

Yeah, and that justifies the many medical personell killed by Israel over the last 40 years. It wasnt an example for Lebanon either.

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Yeah, and that justifies the many medical personell killed by Israel over the last 40 years. It wasnt an example for Lebanon either.

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Just proved the ambulance photo was staged in the other thread.

Yeah, and that justifies the many medical personell killed by Israel over the last 40 years. It wasnt an example for Lebanon either.

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It is truly amazing how little ability the participants on this thread have to extrapolate an example from one scenario into a very similar one. Why is it unreasonable to conceed that since Hamas abuses the protections traditionally given to ambulances, it is likely that Hezzbolah does it too?

It is truly amazing how little ability the participants on this thread have to extrapolate an example from one scenario into a very similar one. Why is it unreasonable to conceed that since Hamas abuses the protections traditionally given to ambulances, it is likely that Hezzbolah does it too?

Yet when I give an example of Israel using human shields in the occupied territories, its considered unreasonable to compare it to (a)Hamas (b) Hezbollah or (c) reason that they may do the same thing in Lebanon.

In a press release from March, 2002, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) condemned the use of Arab ambulances to smuggle terrorists, announcing, "The International Committee of the Red Cross is shocked and dismayed by the reports today of explosive material being found in a Palestine Red Crescent Society's (PRCS) ambulance. The ICRC condemns such abuse of an ambulance of the Red Crescent emblem....The ICRC observed how a device was taken out from a vehicle and detonated in the presence of a number of onlookers."link?

link?
Gee, do you think he made all this up? Try google.

link?
http://www.paulasays.com/articles/on_terrorism/what_have_arabs_done.html

http://www.paulasays.com/articles/on_terrorism/what_have_arabs_done.htmlinteresting unbiased website
http://www.paulasays.com/showpic/274
http://www.paulasays.com/