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Islamofascism...fascinating read

DesignatedMarksman
19-08-2006, 22:27
COMMENTARY: I never knew the term was coined by, of all people, a commie. And a Frenchmen, of all people, apparently sometime after the Iranian Revolution.

So much for evil baby killing fundies...:p

'Islamofascism'

By ROGER SCRUTON
August 17, 2006; Page A8

The term "Islamofascism" was introduced by the French writer Maxine Rodinson (1915-2004) to describe the Iranian Revolution of 1978. Rodinson was a Marxist, who described as "fascist" any movement of which he disapproved. But we should be grateful to him for coining a word that enables people on the left to denounce our common enemy. After all, other French leftists -- Michel Foucault, for example -- had welcomed the revolution as an amusing threat to Western interests. It is only now that people on the left can acknowledge that they are just as much a target as the rest of us, in a war that has global chaos as its goal.

The word has therefore caught on, not least because it provides a convenient way of announcing that you are not against Islam but only against its perversion by the terrorists. But this prompts the question whether terrorism is really as alien to Islam as we should all like to believe. Despite his communist sympathies, Rodinson was a peaceful soul, who spent seven years teaching in a Muslim school in Lebanon and wrote a biography of Muhammad in which the prophet is portrayed as a mild-mannered campaigner for social justice. But this biography was denounced by the Egyptian authorities as an offense to Islam, was withdrawn from the curriculum of the American University in Cairo, and has ever since been banned in Muslim countries.

This readiness to take offense is not yet terrorism -- but it is a sign of the deep-down insecurity of the Muslim psyche in the modern world. In the presence of Islam, we all feel, you have to tread carefully, as though humoring a dangerous animal. The Koran must never be questioned; Islam must be described as a religion of peace -- isn't that the meaning of the word? -- and jokes about the prophet are an absolute no-no. If religion comes up in conversation, best to slip quietly away, accompanying your departure with abject apologies for the Crusades. And in Europe this pussyfooting is now being transcribed into law, with "Islamophobia" already a crime in Belgium and movements across the continent to censor everything at which a Muslim might take offence, including articles like this one.

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The majority of European Muslims do not approve of terrorism. But there are majorities and majorities. According to a recent poll, a full quarter of British Muslims believe that the bombs of last summer in London were a legitimate response to the "war on terror." Public pronouncements from Muslim leaders treat Islamist terrorism as a lamentable but understandable response to the West's misguided policies. And the blood-curdling utterances of the Wahhabite clergy, when occasionally reported in the press, sit uneasily with the idea of a "religion of peace." All this leads to a certain skepticism among ordinary people, whose "racist" or "xenophobic" prejudices are denounced by the media as the real cause of Muslim disaffection.

Now of course it is wrong to give gratuitous offence to people of other faiths; it is right to respect people's beliefs, when these beliefs pose no threat to civil order; and we should extend toward resident Muslims all the toleration and neighborly goodwill that we hope to receive from them. But recent events have caused people to wonder exactly where Muslims stand in such matters. Although "islam" is derived from the same root as "salaam," it does not mean peace but submission. And although the Koran tells us that there shall be no compulsion in matters of religion, it does not overflow with kindness toward those who refuse to submit to God's will. The best they can hope for is to be protected by a treaty (dhimmah), and the privileges of the dhimmi are purchased by onerous taxation and humiliating rites of subservience. As for apostates, it remains as dangerous today as it was in the time of the prophet publicly to renounce the Muslim faith. Even if you cannot be compelled to adopt the faith, you can certainly be compelled to retain it. And the anger with which public Muslims greet any attempt to challenge, to ridicule or to marginalize their faith is every bit as ferocious as that which animated the murderer of Theo Van Gogh. Ordinary Christians, who suffer a daily diet of ridicule and skepticism, cannot help feeling that Muslims protest too much, and that the wounds, which they ostentatiously display to the world, are largely self-inflicted.

To recognize such facts is not to give up hope for a tolerant Islam. But there is a matter that needs to be clarified. Christians and Jews are heirs to a long tradition of secular government, which began under the Roman Empire and was renewed at the Enlightenment: Human societies should be governed by human laws, and these laws must take precedence over religious edicts. The primary duty of citizens is to obey the state; what they do with their souls is a matter between themselves and God, and all religions must bow down to the sovereign authority if they are to exist within its jurisdiction.

The Ottoman Empire evolved systems of law which to some extent replicated that wise provision. But after the Ottoman collapse the Muslim sects rebelled against the idea, since it contradicts the claims of the shariah to be the final legal authority. The Egyptian writer and leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb, went so far as to denounce all secular law as blasphemy. Mortals who make laws for their own government, he argued, usurp a power which is God's alone. And although few Muslim leaders will publicly endorse Qutb's argument, few will publicly condemn it either. What to us is a proof of Qutb's fanaticism and egomania is, for many Muslims, a proof of his piety.

Whenever I consider this matter I am struck by a singular fact about the Christian religion, a fact noticed by Kierkegaard and Hegel but rarely commented upon today, which is that it is informed by a spirit of irony. Irony means accepting "the other," as someone other than you. It was irony that led Christ to declare that his "kingdom is not of this world," not to be achieved through politics. Such irony is a long way from the humorless incantations of the Koran. Yet it is from a posture of irony that every real negotiation, every offer of peace, every acceptance of the other, begins. The way forward, it seems to me, is to encourage the re-emergence of an ironical Islam, of the kind you find in the philosophy of Averroës, in Persian poetry and in "The Thousand and One Nights." We should also encourage those ethnic and religious jokes which did so much to defuse tension in the days before political correctness. And maybe, one day, the rigid face of some puritanical mullah will crack open in a hesitant smile, and negotiations can at last begin.

Mr. Scruton is the author, most recently, of "A Political Philosophy: Arguments for Conservatism," just published by Continuum.
Kamsaki
19-08-2006, 22:40
A neat article. Thanks for pointing it out. ^^
United Chicken Kleptos
19-08-2006, 22:46
"Arabian Nights" is what I suppose the guy means when he says "The One Thousand and One Nights"
Celtlund
19-08-2006, 22:56
"And maybe, one day, the rigid face of some puritanical mullah will crack open in a hesitant smile, and negotiations can at last begin."

We can only hope. Thanks for a very good and informative article.
Vegas-Rex
19-08-2006, 22:57
Ya, we need more stuff like "The Satanic Verses" out there. Stuff that makes Muslims think and explore.
Liberated New Ireland
19-08-2006, 23:00
"Arabian Nights" is what I suppose the guy means when he says "The One Thousand and One Nights"
Didn't Renaissance make a song about that book? Hang on, wikiing... Yes they did, "Scheherazade".

And Arabian Nights goes under all these titles: The Book of One Thousand and One Nights, The Book of a Thousand Nights and a Night, One Thousand and One Nights, 1001 Arabian Nights, Arabian Nights, The Nightly Entertainments, or The Nights
United Chicken Kleptos
19-08-2006, 23:11
Didn't Renaissance make a song about that book? Hang on, wikiing... Yes they did, "Scheherazade".

And Arabian Nights goes under all these titles: The Book of One Thousand and One Nights, The Book of a Thousand Nights and a Night, One Thousand and One Nights, 1001 Arabian Nights, Arabian Nights, The Nightly Entertainments, or The Nights

"Scheherazade" is an orchestral composition by Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov that has been used many times as an example for orchestration in many books on the subject. I have no clue who Renaissance is...
Liberated New Ireland
19-08-2006, 23:15
"Scheherazade" is an orchestral composition by Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov that has been used many times as an example for orchestration in many books on the subject. I have no clue who Renaissance is...
They're an English Folk/Prog rock band, from the 70's. I have a few of their records...
Neo Undelia
19-08-2006, 23:41
English Folk/Prog rock band, from the 70's
My God.
Liberated New Ireland
19-08-2006, 23:44
My God.
...What?
Vegas-Rex
19-08-2006, 23:47
...What?

Jesus...

Yes?

What?

What?

No, you said what?

Nothing

Jesus
Neo Undelia
19-08-2006, 23:47
...What?
I dare not imagine the horribly pretentious lyrics and the uncomfortable, unmelodious tunes.
Liberated New Ireland
19-08-2006, 23:49
I dare not imagine the horribly pretentious lyrics and the uncomfortable, unmelodious tunes.
...They're pretty good... I don't really listen to the lyrics...

And why would the tune be unmelodious? I said prog, not Tool.
Neo Undelia
19-08-2006, 23:51
And why would the tune be unmelodious? I said prog, not Tool.
ZING!
It was the folk part that threw me.
United Chicken Kleptos
20-08-2006, 00:00
Jesus...

Yes?

What?

What?

No, you said what?

Nothing

Jesus

I love Mel Brooks.
Meath Street
20-08-2006, 18:35
COMMENTARY: I never knew the term was coined by, of all people, a commie. And a Frenchmen, of all people, apparently sometime after the Iranian Revolution.

Islamism is contrary to the interests of both communists and French people. Why does it surprise you?
Demented Hamsters
20-08-2006, 19:11
Islamism is contrary to the interests of both communists and French people. Why does it surprise you?
You know Dm is incapable of forming opinions on his own - he just follows what Fox tells him to think/feel (stimulus=response conditioning).
As a result, he automatically exhibits smug overbearing condescension whenever the words 'French', 'Franco-' or 'France' appears and thus is geniunely surprised when he finds a French person exhibiting the same narrow, blinkered prejudiced world-view as himself.
This dichotomy between what Fox has told him to believe and the actual world causes bewilderment and confusion within poor DM and thus we should feel pity for him. It must be tough to go through life without experiencing it.
Deep Kimchi
20-08-2006, 22:58
You know Dm is incapable of forming opinions on his own - he just follows what Fox tells him to think/feel (stimulus=response conditioning).
As a result, he automatically exhibits smug overbearing condescension whenever the words 'French', 'Franco-' or 'France' appears and thus is geniunely surprised when he finds a French person exhibiting the same narrow, blinkered prejudiced world-view as himself.
This dichotomy between what Fox has told him to believe and the actual world causes bewilderment and confusion within poor DM and thus we should feel pity for him. It must be tough to go through life without experiencing it.
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=4932

Here's a link that blames the Germans and the US for "Islamofascism" taking root.
Dobbsworld
20-08-2006, 23:02
Y'know, though I've seen the term used frequently amongst certain posters here on NSG, I'd only ever heard it used on one occasion - when flipping past Headline News. Rather than airing a news program, HN was giving air-time to some windbag railing against something or other.

I didn't bother with the rest of it, I instead flipped over to CBC Newsworld, and instantly felt clean again.
United Chicken Kleptos
20-08-2006, 23:19
You know Dm is incapable of forming opinions on his own - he just follows what Fox tells him to think/feel (stimulus=response conditioning).
As a result, he automatically exhibits smug overbearing condescension whenever the words 'French', 'Franco-' or 'France' appears and thus is geniunely surprised when he finds a French person exhibiting the same narrow, blinkered prejudiced world-view as himself.
This dichotomy between what Fox has told him to believe and the actual world causes bewilderment and confusion within poor DM and thus we should feel pity for him. It must be tough to go through life without experiencing it.

When I saw Dm, I immediately thought D minor. Maybe it's a side affect of being a musician...